Sunday, August 25, 2024

Trump Holds Campaign Event at Border Wall Obama Built

Republican presidential nominee Donald Trump came here on Thursday to heap praise on the structure standing to his right - "the Rolls-Royce of walls," he called it - and lament the unused segments lying to his left. This section of 20-foot steel slats was actually built during former president Barack Obama's administration. Trump added the unfinished extension up the hillside, an engineering challenge that cost at least $35 million a mile. The unused panels of 30-foot beams were procured during the Trump administration and never erected.

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Border Patrol union leader Paul A. Perez called the standing fence "Trump wall" and the idle parts "Kamala wall," after his Democratic opponent, Vice President Kamala Harris.

"Where you were, that was kind of a joke today," said John Ladd, a Trump supporter whose ranch extends along the border, explained while driving the dirt road along the barrier, the gapped panels making a flipbook out of the shrubby trees and grass on the other side. "Had to be in front of Trump's wall, but you went to Montezuma, and that's Obama's wall."

The Cochise County Sheriff's Office confirmed that the barrier next to Thursday's campaign stop was built during the Obama administration. The Trump campaign and Perez did not respond to questions about the discrepancy.

It truly amazes me that Trump supporters allow themselves to be played over and over again by the repeated incompetence of himself and his team. Trump's been out of office for nearly 4 years, yet his advisors chose a border spot that Obama had constructed and allowed Trump to praise it while his own incomplete wall materials lay gathering dust in the hot sun, while he incorrectly juxtaposed both.

Kamala Harris and her team have been able to take the reigns from a flailing, moribund presidential campaign and in less than one month turn it into a steaming juggernaut, amassing $500 Billion in donations mostly from small donors able to potentially contribute multiple times before the election. They pulled off the most energized and electric convention in the history of televised conventions and turned most polls completely around while expanding the electorate in ways President Biden was wholly unable to. She chose a VP that most of Americans couldn't have identified in July to America's favorite dad and coach today while introducing America to two families representative of the middle class and its core values with nary a personal grievance in sight other than Walz' Golden Rule - Mind Your Own Damn Business!

It would be one thing if Trump and his minions ever showed competence instead of seemingly reprising skits from the Three Stooges without the attendant canned laughs and sound effects. I mean, I can even hear Curly bellowing his Yuck, yuck, yuck as the rancher tells Trump that he wrongly misidentified and praised Obama's fence and criticized his own millions of dollars of taxpayer-funded fence lying in the dirt, unfinished. That anyone with unjaundiced eyes can't see the total dysfunction remains a mystery to me, and why anyone thinks this is what America needs in 2024 forever escapes any rational person's sensible ideal of good governance.

#1 | Posted by tonyroma at 2024-08-25 08:50 AM

It would be one thing if Trump and his minions ever showed competence instead of seemingly reprising skits from the Three Stooges

1 | Posted by tonyroma

They give MAGA what it wants. It's worked so far.

#2 | Posted by Zed at 2024-08-25 08:57 AM

Trump only wanted to build a wall in order to embezzle funds.

But he quickly found out it was much easier than that and abandoned the lie.

#3 | Posted by ClownShack at 2024-08-25 10:55 PM

I think Trump's problem has been the same all his life he doesn't do his homework.

#4 | Posted by danni at 2024-08-26 03:00 AM

What a weird moron Trump is. He has the impulses of a 3-year old, the sense of entitlement that only the narcissistic child of a narcissistic multimillionaire would have, and the informed inquisitiveness of an amoeba.

#5 | Posted by Augustine at 2024-08-26 04:13 AM

I thought the wall is bad.

#6 | Posted by BellRinger at 2024-08-26 04:38 AM

Someone needs to tell him Kenya paid for it.

#7 | Posted by RightisTrite at 2024-08-26 05:56 AM

I thought the wall is bad.

#6 | Posted by BellRinger at 2024-08-26 04:38 AM | Reply | Flag:EYE ROLL

the objection wasn't against the wall... it was Trumpanzee who insisted Mexico would pay for it...

Try and keep up...

According to your team... Obama did nothing... made no effort...

Your team keeps saying that even when proof of your ignorance is all around...but here we are again... typical republicl0wn taking credit for what they didn't do.

BTW Trumpanzee has been out of office for 4 years... the whole security system had to change becauseTrumpanzee breached it...

ergo GFY

#8 | Posted by RightisTrite at 2024-08-26 06:08 AM

#4 | Posted by danni

Trump relies a lot on creating false impressions.

#9 | Posted by Twinpac at 2024-08-26 06:29 AM

Trump knows Obama's wall is bigger and it makes him feel insecure.

#10 | Posted by anton at 2024-08-26 07:16 AM

#6

You also thought Democrats support open borders because you are very gullible.

#11 | Posted by anton at 2024-08-26 07:17 AM

I have a really constructive idea, and it isn't about building about that wall, it is about getting behind the bipartisan immigration control bill that Trump tanked. That would help, his grandstanding is just more blather. It is Nixon and Kissinger campaigning in 1968 against Johnson saying that only they can end the chaos of the Vietnam War, all the while behind the scenes they had scuttled the 1968 Peace Talks.
And by the way, the South Vietnamese were promised a better deal...how did their listening to the Republican Party work out for them?

#12 | Posted by Hughmass at 2024-08-26 07:21 AM

#12

Agreed. Conservative Republicans have been saying for like a decade we have to do this. There is a Democratic president prepared to sign it. It won't pass because the Dough ---- doesn't want to lose the issue. And Wormbrain endorses this crap.

#13 | Posted by anton at 2024-08-26 07:43 AM

I thought the wall is bad.

#6 | Posted by BellRinger at 2024-08-26 04:38 AM | Reply | Flag:EYE ROLL

Here's your orange jesus' wall.

#14 | Posted by Nixon at 2024-08-26 08:50 AM

That right there is worth $27,000,000 per mile.

#15 | Posted by Nixon at 2024-08-26 08:51 AM

-$27,000,000 per mile.

How much did the part of the wall Obama built cost?

You don't know and you don't care.

why? because exactly NONE of you give a ---- about this wall.

It's the issue you want.

You're no different than Trump.

You want the issue.....not a solution.

#16 | Posted by eberly at 2024-08-26 09:00 AM

You want the issue.....not a solution.

Sometimes you puzzle me. Why would you think any rational person thinks that an expensive wall that can never be fully completed makes an iota of sense?

You're trying to conflate a disinterest in border security with the wall, and that dog doesn't hunt. An unguarded wall is not a totally effective deterrent as the story established.

Smugglers have breached the barrier thousands of times, including while Trump was in office. The wall has been tunneled under and climbed over. It has been walked around and sawed through. It has not stopped migration any more that it has stopped drug and human smuggling, most of which happens at ports of entry.

Policy experts say the barrier simply shifts where and how migrants cross the border. And many experts argue that U.S. immigration policy and conditions in migrants' home countries are what drive migration, regardless of the obstacles placed in their path to reaching the United States.

And the latter concerns were what Kamala Harris was charged in changing and has had success by getting multinational corporations to expand production facilities into Central American countries to provide jobs where the migrants live. This, along with getting nations in-between the migrants' countries to tighten their efforts in stemming the flow before migrants reach America. A wall does none of those things.

But this story was posted by me for one specific reason: Donald Trump is too stupid and uninterested in facts and truth to even realize that he was touting actual wall that was built during the Obama Administration while decrying his own ineptness/corruption in paying for expensive wall components and THEN not bothering to have them actually put into place to function as designed. And then he juxtaposed reality to bend to his own propensity of pompous lying and gaslighting, probably oblivious to the truth until the Trump-supporting rancher told him to his face. Trump could have gone to wall he actually had built, but he didn't. Such is his lack of concern for real solutions to real problems. All he cares about is the politics.

#17 | Posted by tonyroma at 2024-08-26 09:18 AM

So even Obama himself knew it was a good idea to build a border wall. So why did the leftists complain when Trump proposed it?

#18 | Posted by THEBULL at 2024-08-26 09:40 AM

-You're trying to conflate a disinterest in border security with the wall, and that dog doesn't hunt.

I'm pointing to the ignorance of the entirely of illegal immigration. How it occurs, where and who and how it impacts our lives.

Nobody understands it. It's just being thrown around as a campaign issue. It's something to run on.....but it's not a solution.

Thebull asks a valid question. Obama built some wall it appears.....so explain your "why would any rational person think than an expensive wall....."

#19 | Posted by eberly at 2024-08-26 11:05 AM

It's something to run on.....but it's not a solution.

And I told you in my response what effective solutions look like, the very things that have brought today's numbers of crossings to lows not seen in years. I also posted multiple threads telling the truth about Kamala Harris' role in bringing about a number of these changes by her work with allies and governments in other countries that have ZERO to do with physically visiting our actual Southern border and building any more hyper-expensive walls that are ineffective and only cause migrants to chose other routes where walls don't exist.

Even as Trump has made immigration central to his bid to take back the White House, border apprehensions have declined dramatically this summer amid the Biden administration's new asylum restrictions and stepped-up enforcement in Mexico. In July, illegal border crossings, which rose to record levels during the Biden administration, declined to the lowest levels in almost four years, after the administration enacted sweeping measures to limit asylum access. - FTA

Early in the administration, Ms. Harris was given a role that came to be defined as a combination of chief fund-raiser and conduit between business leaders and the economies of Guatemala, Honduras and El Salvador. Her attempt to convince companies across the world to invest in Central America and create jobs for would-be migrants had some success, according to immigration experts and current and former government officials.

Rather than develop ways to turn away or detain migrants at the U.S.-Mexico border, Ms. Harris's work included encouraging a Japan-based auto parts plant, Yazaki, to build a $10 million plant in a western Guatemalan region that sees high rates of migration and pushing a Swiss-based coffee company to increase procurement by more than $100 million in a region rich with coffee beans.

She convened leaders from dozens of companies, helping to raise more than $5 billion in private and public funds.

"Not a huge amount, but it ain't chicken feed and that links to jobs," said Mark Schneider, who worked with Latin American and Caribbean nations as a senior official at the United States Agency for International Development during the Clinton administration.

As usual, Democrats put in the hard, tireless work out of sight from the media and certainly Trump lovers. That work HAS decreased border crossings - in concert with Mexico stepping up efforts inside their own country because of positive engagement - something Trump is wholly unable to countenance. Wanna see the situation get worse again? Then let Trump refocus billions upon border walls that don't work while denigrating governments currently working with the US in attempts to keep migrants from even reaching our border by giving them solid jobs in the countries where they live.

That isn't politics, it's policy in effect and working.

#20 | Posted by tonyroma at 2024-08-26 11:32 AM

So why did the leftists complain when Trump proposed it?

#18 | POSTED BY THEBULL

A better question is why did Trumpy and you maga maroons lie about Obama not protecting our borders?

Also it's my understanding that the Obama portion of the wall was part of the previous administration's border policy and funding.

In addition local residents affected by the wall asked for the Obama administration to stop the legal processes that were taking private lands without just compensation and ruining local ranchers and farmers.

#21 | Posted by donnerboy at 2024-08-26 11:37 AM

-So even Obama himself knew it was a good idea to build a border wall.

Specifically regarding the wall....I see you still haven't gotten a response on that question.

#22 | Posted by eberly at 2024-08-26 12:01 PM

Trump only wanted to build a wall in order to embezzle funds.

But he quickly found out it was much easier than that and abandoned the lie.

Much easier to defraud the government by skyrocketing the cost of hotel rooms, food and drink prices and golf cart rentals charged to the secret service.

Those things require no additional effort.

#23 | Posted by Nixon at 2024-08-26 12:03 PM

Much easier to defraud the government by skyrocketing the cost of hotel rooms, food and drink prices and golf cart rentals charged to the secret service.

And don't forget foreign governments, lobbyists and any business wanting to curry favor stayed-at and frequented his DC hotel to the tune of tens of millions in revenues for Trump Inc.

#24 | Posted by tonyroma at 2024-08-26 12:17 PM

Thebull asks a valid question. Obama built some wall it appears.....so explain your "why would any rational person think than an expensive wall....."

You're tedious today Ebs. The question was already answered.

...the Obama portion of the wall was part of the previous administration's border policy and funding.

Evidently, Obama didn't have a choice on spending the money already passed for building that particular portion of the wall.

And you know as well as I, perception is reality. If people perceive that a border wall is an effective means to stem illegal entry, the truth isn't going to phase them.

It certainly hasn't phased Trump, has it?

#25 | Posted by tonyroma at 2024-08-26 12:22 PM

"The question was already answered."

with an unsourced statement.

#26 | Posted by eberly at 2024-08-26 12:47 PM

"If people perceive that a border wall is an effective means to stem illegal entry, the truth isn't going to phase them."

couldn't agree more

#27 | Posted by eberly at 2024-08-26 12:48 PM

#26

Three economists ran the numbers on Trump's border wall. They find it's a bad investment.

The U.S. border with Mexico is about 2,000 miles long, and a third of it (700 miles) has a wall or fence. Economists Treb Allen of Dartmouth College and Cau Dobbin and Melanie Morten of Stanford University modeled what would happen if Trump were able to cover two-thirds of the border (1,300 miles) with some sort of wall.

Their conclusion? It would hurt the U.S. economy because there would be fewer workers and lower output. It would also have a tiny impact on illegal immigration, and U.S. workers wouldn't be better off.

"Our research shows that building a wall was an ineffective way of reducing migration," Allen said after presenting the new research paper this weekend at the American Economic Association conference. "It was expensive to build, and it harmed U.S. workers."

On top of the cost to build the wall, the U.S. economy would lose more than $4 billion a year, the economists calculated, meaning the country would forfeit nearly $30,000 in lost economic output for each Mexican migrant the wall stops.

The Secure Fence Act - which Sens. Barack Obama, Hillary Clinton and Charles E. Schumer voted for - was a large expansion of barriers and checkpoints at the border that cost $2.3 billion (or $7 per person in the United States).

The Secure Fence Act of 2006, which triggered the construction of walls and fences along 548 miles of the border between 2007 and 2010.

The Secure Fence Act resulted in a 0.6 percent decline in migration (about 83,000 fewer Mexican workers), the economists found.

#28 | Posted by tonyroma at 2024-08-26 12:58 PM

The Obama-Biden Administration Built More than 100 Miles of Border Wall.

In 2006 then-President Bush signed the Secure Fence Act, which called for the -------- of hundreds of miles of barriers along the U.S.-Mexico border. The Bush Administration intended to build 700 miles by December of 2008, when his second term would come to an end. By April of 2008 then-Homeland Security Secretary Chertoff had issued waivers that swept aside dozens of federal laws and "all federal, state, or other laws, regulations and legal requirements of, deriving from, or related to the subject of" the named laws for all of the planned border walls.

By the end of President Bush's time in office the U.S.-Mexico border was lined with 278 miles of 15-to-18-foot-tall pedestrian fence and 248 miles of vehicle barrier, for a total of 526 miles. Of those, 135 miles had been built prior to the passage of the Secure Fence Act.

The Obama-Biden Administration would oversee construction of an additional 128 miles of border wall.

There were also numerous locations where pre-existing border walls were replaced under the Obama-Biden administration, including some in El Paso, Texas; near Naco, Arizona; and where the wall between San Diego and Tijuana enters the Pacific Ocean. Sections of border wall that were swept away by flooding at Organ Pipe Cactus National Monument, near Nogales, Arizona, and through Andrade, California, were rebuilt during those eight years as well.

#29 | Posted by tonyroma at 2024-08-26 01:07 PM

This Wall blather is typical republicl0wnery... let's harken back to when the Clown Brigade was all about how Obama was soft on terrorists.. on and on they went about whining about what a peacenik he was... seriously... Meanwhile... Obama is talking about going into Pakistan to get bin Laden ... McCain insisted it was a bad idea... Obama didn't know what he was doing blah blah...

Long story short... the Cl0wns sales pitch about Obama's namsy pamsy national security stance was so loud it drowned out the aggressive policies Obama was talking about... even the Nobel prize committee believed the republicl0wns shpiel... offered him the prize...

Suddenly all the peaceniks put the bongs down and went to the voting booth ... the cl0wns lost...

Obama never stopped talking about his stance... even in his Nobel acceptance speech he justified his aggressive position... the leftists were very upset... but they bought the cl0wn lies too... not Obama's own words... it was funny to watch.

Basically... the cl0wns grab a narrative and run with it... yer fekkin stupid... and your own worst enemy.

#30 | Posted by RightisTrite at 2024-08-26 01:40 PM

This Wall blather is an ongoing debate between sides that neither know jack ---- about it.

#31 | Posted by eberly at 2024-08-26 02:26 PM

I thought the wall is bad.

#6 | Posted by BellRinger

It's a huge waste of money and an environmental disaster used to bait morons into supporting -------.

An effective deterrent? Probably not.

#32 | Posted by Whatsleft at 2024-08-26 04:33 PM

25. Hasn't fazed him either.

#33 | Posted by Dbt2 at 2024-08-26 07:14 PM

This Wall blather is an ongoing debate between sides that neither know jack ---- about it.

#31 | Posted by eberly at 2024-08-26 02:26 PM | Reply | Flag:

Not an expert here by any means, but I always thought the easiest way to curb illegal immigration was to make it unprofitable for them. Stop with the assistance and put people people in jail for employing undocumented workers.

#34 | Posted by lfthndthrds at 2024-08-27 10:21 AM

When it comes to people in the country without proper documentation, the majority of them didn't cross the Mexican border at all. Most of them came to the United States legally " but then don't leave.

About 700,000 travelers to the United States overstayed their visas in fiscal 2017, the most recent year for which the Department of Homeland Security has published figures. DHS estimated that, as of Sept. 30, 2017, the end of that fiscal year, more than 600,000 of those travelers were still in the U.S.

During that same year, there were just 300,000 apprehensions along the Southern border, according to Customs and Border Protection " the lowest number since 1971.

www.npr.org

#35 | Posted by donnerboy at 2024-08-27 11:35 AM

walls don't offer a permanent solution... just an ego trip for whoever gets the credit for it... landscape decoration... Great Wall of China... high tech for the time... tourists trap today. Walls of Jerico... some assorted squares in the dirt... tourists trap... The Lost City of Troy... just got found again... a few decades ago... Walls walls walls...

Walls built... breached... turned to rubble... wash rinse repeat... in some ways... the walls throughout history seemed to paint a target on whatever was behind it... imagine wanting to do that to the entire country?

#36 | Posted by RightisTrite at 2024-08-27 11:56 AM

So even Obama himself knew it was a good idea to build a border wall. So why did the leftists complain when Trump proposed it?

#18 | Posted by THEBULL at 2024-08-26 09:40 AM | Reply | Flag: EYE ROLL

It wasn't the discussion about building a wall... Trampanzee grandstanded it by INSISTING MEXICO WOULD PAY FOR IT! and will be grateful to do it. Total crap to assume such a thing!

oooohhhh but the cl0wns just loves how he sticks it to the lefties...

Seriously... that is what was at play... and the cl0wn brigade gets all stuck on how the wall isn't going to get built funded by Mexicans therefore it will not get built... because democrats who've set up wall building didn't insist Mexico pay for it...and we shouldn't have to pay for it blah blah blah...
typical republcl0wnery wanting to find a diversion for funds already in play...

now please stop with the ------- deflections around the argument... Trumpanzee's lies built that one...

GFY cl0wns

#37 | Posted by RightisTrite at 2024-08-27 12:17 PM

Reich-wingers live a fact-free existence

#38 | Posted by LegallyYourDead at 2024-08-27 12:32 PM

Not an expert here by any means, but I always thought the easiest way to curb illegal immigration was to make it unprofitable for them. Stop with the assistance and put people people in jail for employing undocumented workers.

#34 | Posted by lfthndthrds

Republicans refuse to do this.

#39 | Posted by Sycophant at 2024-08-27 12:32 PM

" Republicans refuse to do this"

As if Democrats are for it. Further, Florida recently passed a law that targets companies that employ illegal aliens.

#40 | Posted by BellRinger at 2024-08-27 01:07 PM

Florida recently passed a law that targets companies that employ illegal aliens.
#40 | Posted by BellRinger

40 years too late, apparently.

#41 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2024-08-27 01:13 PM

" Republicans refuse to do this"
As if Democrats are for it. Further, Florida recently passed a law that targets companies that employ illegal aliens.

#40 | Posted by BellRinger

Those laws already exist.

Republicans just don't like enforcing them (defund the regulators). And when they are enforced, it's a slap on the wrist.

Kind of like with child labor...oh wait! You legalized that!

#42 | Posted by Sycophant at 2024-08-27 01:20 PM

Isn't the leading reason that Trump is a racist is that he wanted this wall? Isn't running this story sort of taking that a bit off the table? Can't wait to see the spin on this.

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