She Watched the Pager Attacks Unfold in Lebanon. She Almost Can't Believe What She's Seeing Now.

Yeah, sucks to be the Palestinians. That's the sort of thing that happens when conquered. As they should know since the Muslims have taken land belonging to others for quite some time now. en.wikipedia.org

Difference being that, for most of us, we take our lumps and move on with our lives. Find some place else to settle down and call home. ("Why Are Palestinians Still Living as Refugees 6 Decades Later?" www.historynewsnetwork.org (short answer, they are the only group in our existence that are perpetual refugees generations down the line. We could have a Palestinian president of the United States who was born here and he would still be a Palestinian refugee)).

Sounds like the Palestinians should have taken those peace deals they were offered five times in the last 90 years. ("How Palestine rejected offer to have its own state 5 times in the past" lawandsocietymagazine.com). Or maybe they should slaughter some more Jewish civilians twenty years from now and see if that works out better for them.

Hamas was Proportionate.

Israel Not.

Israel is Occupying Palestinian lands and "Settlers" are Usurping and Killing with no brake from the West or Israeli leadership.

The "Settlers" are Terrorists and Thieves. Worse than Hamas.

Hamas is, like it or not, the legitimate leadership in Gaza.

Israel will continue on this path until stopped by Force or Economic Collapse.

The US is complicit in Israeli Crimes against Humanity. The whole world knows it but is powerless to stop it because the US defies all constraint or acknowledgement of international law.

War will decide this and the Israeli's are making that inevitable.

#19 It sucks to be Israeli. To Lose your Soul for a few more acres of blood soaked land.

To become Worse than the "Terrorists" you are fighting.

Israel is Capable of Anything. Morally..they are --------- on the bottom of the Ocean.

No Lies, Open Murders, Rapes of Prisoners for Sadistic Joy, Killing of Medics and Journalists. Targeting of civilians after directing them to "Safe Zones" etc. Is too Terrible and Cowardly for them to embrace.

As long as it's "Chosen" doing it.

Other Groups are not afforded the same Moral Latitude to be Monsters.

In fact the Chosen are especially Virtuous by Birthright as the "World's Biggest Victims"

Sure, it was the other day when I saw Bibi parachute into a Muslim music shindig and open fire at civilians.

#17 | Posted by censored

Do remember when bibi gave the green light to more religious extremist "settlers" to steal the homes of innocent people because god wants the jews to have it?

Do remember when bibi gave the green light to more religious extremist "settlers" to steal the homes of innocent people because god wants the jews to have it? #22 | Posted by SpeakSoftly

Sure! That's the way Likud rolls. Do you remember who that land belonged to before the Muslims stole it? Someone else.

That's the way the world works. Someone has land and someone else comes along later and takes it from them. The Jews claim it's theirs. Is it? I dunno, but the Palestinians have fought for it repeatedly and lost every single time.

Do you remember the five times Palestinians refused statehood in the last 90 years because they would much rather have each and every Jew eliminated?

The offer was Palestinian statehood in exchange for peace with the Jews. Apparently the Palestinians prefer their current lifestyle, punctuated by ineffectual terrorism that only results in them losing more land and freedom. And we should pretend that they're the victims when they receive payback for their terrorist attacks? Or that the Lebanese were just innocent bystanders when Israel helped HezzBawlzOff meet their 72 virgins and starts the ground assault on a group that launched thousands of rockets at them over the last year?

Dude,..yer Losin' It!

You lost it 2 and a half years ago.

"Do you remember who that land belonged to before the Muslims stole it? Someone else."

I know! I know!

It was the Jews.

"Hmm what else has been happening over the last year?"

In Lebanon?

I give up. What?

"Bibi is doing exactly what dubya did in iraq - use a domestic terror attack to justify launching an invasion into a separate country that they wanted to invade anyway."

Technically, that's what Hamas did as well.

Fact:
That land was given to the Jews after ww2. After the nazis did their best to annihilate them.
Israel is small dot surrounded by countries that hate them, as much as the nazi bastds did.
Lebanon etal concentrates on that small spot and continues to attack them, knowing damn well what the retaliation would be.

The Jews say NEVER AGAIN.

"Hamas was Proportionate."

On Oct 7th 2023 7000 Palestinians led by Hamas attacked Israel killing over a thousand Israeli and taking 250 hostages including children.

Hamas is still holding 7 Americans hostage.

Israel gets to decide what is an appropriate and "proportional" response to that.

Not you.

That's the way the world works. Someone has land and someone else comes along later and takes it from them.

Send me your address. I want to see if any of your ---- is worth stealing.

The Jews say NEVER AGAIN.

#29 | POSTED BY PHESTEROBOYLE

That wave crested long ago and it's not a great excuse to become the tyrants that persecute you.

I, for one, am not too keen on a bunch of Bronze Age goat herder myth extremists dragging us into WWIII because they think sky daddy wants them to live there.

Israel gets to decide what is an appropriate and "proportional" response to that.

Not you.

#30 | POSTED BY DONNERBOY

Nonsense. Pure, utter nonsense.

I love how this place is loaded with pathetic, sycophantic Israel fanbois.

Israel gets to decide what is an appropriate and "proportional" response to that.

Not you.

#30 | POSTED BY DONNERBOY

Yes, me. Im paying for it.

"Send me your address. I want to see if any of your ---- is worth stealing."

If you did steal it, and then he stole it back, who would be the "bad" guy?

"I love how this place is loaded with pathetic, sycophantic Israel fanbois."

I don't know if it's so much fanbois as it is people who understand that the goal of the Islamic Resistance is to finish the work Hitler started.

The USSR under Stalin was a vile regime, but it was less vile than the National Socialists. So, the US and the west supported the less vile.

Similar thing here.

"Yes, me. Im paying for it."

Technically "proportionality" is an actual term within the Law of Armed Conflict. There may be a little bit of wiggle room, but what constitutes a proportional response has already been codified.

Yes, me. Im paying for it.

#34 | POSTED BY ALEXANDRITE

No not you. You are not there and you are not in charge of how the money is spent. That would be your elected representatives making those decisions. Vote better if you are so concerned how your tax money is being spent.

Also.. You are not there. You are comfy and safe in your own home far away from the danger. You don't live under constant threats and attacks from your neighbors and have the very existence of your country in the balance. So how would you know what is proportional or enough to stop the attacks of terrorists whose only goal is your death and your country's obliteration and destruction?

Their gift of a final update.

I was angry that a Cricket device was updating that way loong ago to someplace in Israel.

Those halcyon days of cantennas and warchalking.

They could just leave... Like they're expecting the Palestinians to.

America loves Jews. They are welcomed here. If they wanted to create Israel here.... why not?

Just leave the ME. It's so Easy... Nobody will even bother them in North America.

Until they start making Demands. Expecting to be in Charge.

Stealing what they want like in Palestine.

Then it would get Ugly fast.

Nobody like Entitled Usurpers and Thieves. It's not the Religion, it's their Conduct.

Face It, Israel is running out of Friends.

And their Own Behavior is why.

Not irrational Bigotry.

@#40 ... America loves Jews. They are welcomed here. If they wanted to create Israel here.... why not? ...

Yeah, the Jews, like other immigrants, had been welcomed here in the United States.

Look at Brooklyn, NYC. The largest community of Jews outside of Israel. (I've spent a lot of time in Brooklyn? Have you? Or maybe I should ask, have you even spent time in the US?)

But, I don't see the good Jewish people of Brooklyn trying to create Israel here. Where does your current alias see that?

Your current alias' comment just seems to be more of the Putin-issued talking points it usually spouts that try to sow division within the US.

Dude you're the biggest Moron on this site. I'm American in Virginia.

You'll never believe that because once you think you know something you stop thinking.

It's easier to fool somebody than to convince someone they've been fooled.

You made up your mind I'm a Russian, I never claimed to be. I'm Not.

Now nothing on Earth can convince you that you're Wrong.

Me.. I don't care about your delusional beliefs.

Just think about this.

You could be Wrong I'm Russian. Lol.

Israel is doing everything in its power to escalate this conflict into an all out war against Hamas, Hezbollah and the hundreds of thousands of civilians who support them. There are no "lesser evils" in this conflict. Both sides are comprised of monsters.

Send me your address. I want to see if any of your ---- is worth stealing.
#31 | Posted by jpw

You mean the land that I acquired from people who acquired it from other people after they stole it from the Native Americans who stole it from other Native Americans?

Spare me the sanctimony. Every bit of land ever worth having was taken from someone else.

And the Palestinians refused statehood (which they have never had) five times because they think didn't want to give up claim to ANY of the land. So now they end up with less each time they throw one of their terrorist tantrums.

Getting back to the subject at hand, maybe I'm ignorant on the subject, but I don't believe Israel was taking anything that belonged to the Lebanese. HezzBawlzOff decided to obey Iran's commands, just like HamAndCheese, with similar results. Israel soundly thrashing their backsides.

#44. So Successful Violence is all you Respect...Is Unsuccessful Violence respected?

If Iran gets Nukes. And successfully Glasses Tel Aviv, is that Cool?

Are they Righteous for doing it?

Should Ukraine just accept that Russia stole the Donbass.

What you are calling for is War Everlasting.

Law of the Jungle. Arms Races into a Suicide Future of every Country Nuclear Capable.

I don't think you think at all.

Just a Mindless Israel fanboi. Ranting about the right to Usurp
And Steal. Because they Can. For Now.

Now do Ukraine....Brainless Idiot ranting.

If Israel has the Right by Force?,So Does Russia. So Does China, So does any other Nuclear Armed Country.

Censored.....You take Stupid to a Very Exalted Level.

@#45 ... Should Ukraine just accept that Russia stole the Donbass. ... Law of the Jungle ...

Well, those are the talking points your current alias seems to have been offering over these past few months.

So, now your current alias has issues with them?

I have issues with Censored Hating Russia for Aggression.

But Celebrating Israeli Aggression. It seems a Tad,.. Inconsistent.

Myself, I have never Celebrated Russian Aggression. Russia only seeks to protect the Russians in the Eastern Oblasts of Ukraine from their Nazi Brethren.

Censored hates them for this, but loves Israel killing people defending their own lands from Usurpers. Killing Children by the tens of thousands while Whining about Russian bombing that kills far fewer and mostly by Accident, not Deliberate Design.

Mostly I hate Endless War.

Which seems to make me a very small minority.

@#47 ... I have issues with Censored Hating Russia for Aggression. ...

That sentence makes no sense to me.

... Myself, I have never Celebrated Russian Aggression. ...

Really?

I seem to remember comments of your current alias along the lines of Pres Putin going after the Nazis in the sovereign country of Ukraine.

... Russia only seeks to protect the Russians in the Eastern Oblasts of Ukraine from their Nazi Brethren. ...

Oh, so, your current alias does seem to celebrate Russian aggression in the sovereign country of Ukraine.

Good to see your current alias admit that (again).

... Mostly I hate Endless War. ...

Then, maybe, talk to the person issuing the talking points your current alias seems to post here. Ask that person to convey your objections to war up the chain of command.

But my guess is that your current alias' objection to war is only because Pres Putin's ~couple-three week~ invasion and takeover of the sovereign country of Ukraine is now in its second year, and Russia seems to be having major issues.

Shallow.

Even though your current alias seems to have heralded pres Putin's war against the Nazis in Ukraine?

@#48

Oops, formatting error.

fwiw...

War in Donbas
en.wikipedia.org

... The war in Donbas,[c] also known as the Donbas war, was a phase of the Russo-Ukrainian War in the Donbas region of Ukraine.

The war began in April 2014, when a commando unit headed by Russian citizen Igor Girkin seized Sloviansk in Donetsk oblast.[20][21][6][22]

The Ukrainian military launched an operation against them.[23][5] The war continued until subsumed by the Russian invasion of Ukraine in 2022.[24] ...

So, Russia seems to have initiated the war in the Donbas region.

Quelle surprise.

So how about you? Is Ukraine good?

Hamas Bad? Why?.

Ukraine Righteous, defending their Homes?

Hamas Evil,.. Fighting against a 75 year occupation.

The difference is Russian people of Crimea and Donetsk and Lugansk WANTED TO JOIN RUSSIA. They have the full civil rights of Russian Citizens. They vote in Russian Elections. They have full representation in the Duma.

They are not second class citizens. Not Persecuted and Stolen from under color of law.

Israel has oppressed the Palestinians for going on 100 years. They kill and steal and Israel imprisons tens of thousands without charge for years.

Censored, has no problem with this but Hates the fact that the Eastern Oblasts of Ukraine wanted self determination as Russian Citizens?

Not Second Class subjects being oppressed by the ruling Majority of Ukrainians.

@#51 ... So how about you? Is Ukraine good? ...

I have been steadfast from the beginning that Pres Putin's unprovoked invasion of a sovereign country was, and continues to be, wrong.

Indeed, I have repeated that so many times that your current alias has criticized me for the repetition.

So ... what else yer got on your talking points list?

So how about you? Is Ukraine good?
Hamas Bad? Why?.
Ukraine Righteous, defending their Homes?
Hamas Evil,.. Fighting against a 75 year occupation.
The difference is Russian people of Crimea and Donetsk and Lugansk WANTED TO JOIN RUSSIA. They have the full civil rights of Russian Citizens. They vote in Russian Elections. They have full representation in the Duma.
They are not second class citizens. Not Persecuted and Stolen from under color of law.
Israel has oppressed the Palestinians for going on 100 years. They kill and steal and Israel imprisons tens of thousands without charge for years.
Censored, has no problem with this but Hates the fact that the Eastern Oblasts of Ukraine wanted self determination as Russian Citizens?
Not Second Class subjects being oppressed by the ruling Majority of Ukrainians.
#51 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2024-09-29 02:24 AM

Orcs left severed hands on fences.

Blew up children.

Worse.

You're trying to spell "salvation", not "salivation"?

"They could just leave... Like they're expecting the Palestinians to."

I would make far more sense for the Palestinians to leave. The Zionists invested trillions of dollars creating the state of Israel. The vast majority of cities and towns in the region were founded by Zionists. Tel Aviv wasn't even a thing until a little over 100 years ago.

But, the Palestinians don't have to leave. They only need to abandon their goal of final solutioning the jews.

"Israel is doing everything in its power to escalate this conflict into an all out war against Hamas, Hezbollah and the hundreds of thousands of civilians who support them. There are no "lesser evils" in this conflict. Both sides are comprised of monsters."

One side wants to exterminate the other side. One side does not.

Do you forget that?

Dude, You got Nothing.

Israel is a Terrorist State. They kill Minorities because they aren't Jewish.

Russia is MultiCultural. They wanted to protect Russian speakers.from Ukrainian Bigotry and the loss of civil rights after the change of government in 2014. The Maidan Coup.

Russia isn't Oppressing....They are Liberating the East.

The Ukrainians are not very nice Fellows to People Not of their Sort.

They caused a civil war in the Donbass. This went on for many years. It wasn't really a hot war for most of it but a steady drumbeat of carnage on a static front.

Like Ukraine is Now but in Miniature.

NATO Escalated a smaller War into a 600 mile Front with Hundreds of Thousands of Deaths.

"They are not second class citizens. Not Persecuted and Stolen from under color of law."

If you live in Russia, you are persecuted. Maybe just not singled out for persecution.

"Israel is a Terrorist State."

Which countries have labelled Israel a terrorist organization?

"They kill Minorities because they aren't Jewish."

20% of the population of Israel isn't jewish. 42% of Israelis are secular.

That's a lot of people. They had better build some ovens.

"They wanted to protect Russian speakers.from Ukrainian Bigotry and the loss of civil rights after the change of government in 2014. The Maidan Coup."

Yeah. Like they want to protect the "Russian Speakers" in Latvia, and Lithuania, and Estonia, and Alaska, and Moldova.

Do you think Pootin needs to protect Russian Speakers in the US? I speak Russian. I don't think I need Pootin to protect me.

"NATO Escalated a smaller War into a 600 mile Front with Hundreds of Thousands of Deaths."

NATO did that?

How?

Just by existing?

Why such a ------ for Russia? Nobody is forced to join NATO. The majority of the countries that did, did so because they know what it is like to have the Russian boot on your throat. Your comments seem to suggest that Russia has some sort of divine right to put boots on throats.

Russia is a joke. I can't think of one positive thing that comes out of Russia. They have no cultural exports. Their industry is far, far below what it should be for a country with that kind of resources and opportunities.

Russia is just a really big North Korea.

Russia is a joke. I can't think of one positive thing that comes out of Russia.
#61 | Posted by madbomber

Your comments seem to suggest that Russia has some sort of divine right to put boots on throats.

#60 | POSTED BY MADBOMBER

His comments seem to suggest he is living in alternate universe and just visits here.

You can spend all day educating putinposer on Russian and American history and make absolutely no progress. You can post links and references to back up your comments but it will be to no avail. He will be back tomorrow (maybe even ten times more today) spouting the same nonsense over and over.

I am afraid he is not salvageable. He may not even be from here.
Wouldn't it be nice if the IP addresses of the servers could be made available for all users so we could know for sure which country (or planet) of origin posters are from.

Not Salvageable?...Meaning?

I don't accept your basic premise that only the West knows anything.

That only the "facts" you present are correct and accurate. Much of what you post is links to Wikipedia etc. Like that's Holy Writ.

I am playing devil's advocate to some significant degree. I am overemphasizing certain things to be something of a troll at times.

I don't think Russia has a right to put boots on throats. Nobody does. That's Israel not me.

I don't think Israel is putting boots on throats in "Self Defense" I think they are doing it because they Can and Want to.

I think Israel wants it all. Meaning kill or expel anyone they want to.

And I see America, my Home stand with Ethnic Murder and Disproportionate Response.

Worse than anything Russia is doing. Just smaller is scale and area affected in geographic terms.

Morally the Israeli State is far worse than Russia.

Russia isn't perfect or even Correct in their Conduct.

They have caused a huge war over something that could have been negotiated.

But don't tell me the West isn't also pushing them into a response.

Don't act like NATO is Benign.

NATO is Western Imperialism it's ELITES pushing a top down agenda.

At the Expense of the rest of the World.

Nobody has to join but not everyone is invited to.

Russia asked to join, Bill Clinton said that would defeat the purpose of NATO's existence.

NATO is an Anti Russian Alliance. Or sure seems to be to many people.

Why wouldn't the Russians be paranoid about that given the Forces involved with the NATO coalition.

They have North America and most of Europe tryiing to hold them down.

Of course that threatening to them.

Duh?