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Fire thousands of rockets against a country, often targeting their civilian population. That country responds with relatively precise counter-measures and ground invasion.

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#1 | Posted by censored at 2024-09-27 01:34 PM | Reply

Bibi is doing exactly what dubya did in iraq - use a domestic terror attack to justify launching an invasion into a separate country that they wanted to invade anyway.

This is what happens when you elect extreme right wing presidents

#2 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2024-09-27 02:40 PM | Reply

Bibi is doing exactly what dubya did in iraq - use a domestic terror attack to justify launching an invasion into a separate country that they wanted to invade anyway. [...]
#2 | Posted by SpeakSoftly

You didn't mention the part where Lebanon launched thousands of rockets at Israel over the last year. An innocent mistake, I'm sure ...

#3 | Posted by censored at 2024-09-27 03:00 PM | Reply

You didn't mention the part where Lebanon launched thousands of rockets at Israel over the last year. An innocent mistake, I'm sure ...

#3 | Posted by censored

Hmm what else has been happening over the last year?

#4 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2024-09-27 03:06 PM | Reply

Hmm what else has been happening over the last year?
#4 | Posted by SpeakSoftly

The terrorists ruling Lebanon wanted to join in on Hamas's festivities. So now they get to join for real-real, not for play-play.

#5 | Posted by censored at 2024-09-27 03:16 PM | Reply

Censored makes a good point, speaksoftly doesn't seem to have a reply to back up his odd assertion.

#6 | Posted by oneironaut at 2024-09-27 03:22 PM | Reply

The terrorists ruling Lebanon wanted to join in on Hamas's festivities. So now they get to join for real-real, not for play-play.

#5 | Posted by censored at

Define terrorist - does it include slaughtering kids if their parents don't surrender their homes?

#7 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2024-09-27 03:25 PM | Reply

You can just pull up the US definition, as Hezbollah is defined as a Terrorist Group.

#8 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2024-09-27 03:40 PM | Reply

Define terrorist - does it include slaughtering kids if their parents don't surrender their homes?
#7 | Posted by SpeakSoftly

Welp, in this case I would define it as the fine folks who launched thousands of rockets at a neighboring nation, often targeting civilians for the sake of "terrorizing" them. Is that definition good enough for you?

How about the guy who murdered ~300 of our troops while they were acting as peacekeepers? drudge.com Someone that our own government offered $7 million for last year. Or that not terroristy enough for you?

#9 | Posted by censored at 2024-09-27 03:43 PM | Reply

Welp, in this case I would define it as the fine folks who launched thousands of rockets at a neighboring nation, often targeting civilians for the sake of "terrorizing" them. Is that definition good enough for you?

How about the guy who murdered ~300 of our troops while they were acting as peacekeepers? drudge.com Someone that our own government offered $7 million for last year. Or that not terroristy enough for you?

#9 | Posted by censored

Welp then this is a war of terrorists versus terrorists.

With the backstory of one side simply taking land from the other side for the past half century because "god wants them to have it"

#10 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2024-09-27 03:51 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Welp then this is a war of terrorists versus terrorists.

Yes, both sides... Israel defending itself from terrorists who murdered 1,200 civilians in a war that they started is the same exact thing as Lebanon inserting itself into that war and launching thousands of rockets against at random for the express purpose of ???

But, hey, at least you almost admitted that HezzBawlzOff are terrorists, so that's some progress. Hamas next? A girl can dream, can't she?

With the backstory of one side simply taking land from the other side for the past half century because "god wants them to have it"
#10 | Posted by SpeakSoftly

Muslim colonization. en.wikipedia.org Yes, I wonder which group of people to root for? I'll go for the ones that are least likely to murder me and everyone I care about because I don't believe in their god and superstitions.

#11 | Posted by censored at 2024-09-27 04:12 PM | Reply

Israel lost all Claim to any Moral High Ground when they targeted civilians indiscriminately. Killing people for existing and being inconvenient, isn't Moral. Or Just.

Israel has broken every tenet of their own founding documents to expand without limits in Every Direction. They refuse to declare the borders of the Israeli State. They Kill and Usurp from, non Jews in the West Bank with State Assistance and the Subsidy of "Settlements".

Israel won't take responsibility for the safety of non combatants. They Target Journalists, Medics, American citizen protesters with lethal violence.

Why doe the US Stand with these miscreants?

Why does the US assist them?

Is Israeli influence on our politics so Pervasive that we now help them murder children and try to make US citizens against that, "Enemies of the State" here in the land of the "Free"?

How far we have Fallen to help...TOTAL SCUM.

#12 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2024-09-27 04:13 PM | Reply

Yes, I wonder which group of people to root for? I'll go for the ones that are least likely to murder me and everyone I care about because I don't believe in their god and superstitions.

#11 | Posted by censored

If you were living on land they wanted, which side would be more likely to steal it or murder you?

#13 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2024-09-27 04:18 PM | Reply

#5 | Posted by censored
#6 | Posted by oneironaut

Nothing is simple here. I don't know why virtually everyone fails in that understanding.

Hezbollah doesn't "Rule Lebanon". It however is effectively one of 3 primary groups that do rule Lebanon. Understand the rest of Lebanon together is insufficient to do anything about Hezbollah. They do defacto control the southern area adjacent to Israel though. Yes they are sympathetic to the plight of other Palestinians say in Gaza. In Gaza, Hamas gave Bibi what he wanted.

This is not a black and white situation. All parties are guilty of atrocities and those guilty should pay. Let's start with the current leadership of Israel, Hamas and Hezbollah.

#14 | Posted by GalaxiePete at 2024-09-27 04:22 PM | Reply

If you were living on land they wanted, which side would be more likely to steal it or murder you?
#13 | Posted by SpeakSoftly

Well ... 20% of Israeli citizens are Muslim, 2% are Christian. About 0% of the Gaza population are Jews and there are about 1,000 Christians left. Gee, I wonder which group would be more likely to murder me and take away my land.

Maybe check out that Wikipedia link on Muslim colonization if you haven't figured it out yet.

#15 | Posted by censored at 2024-09-27 04:23 PM | Reply

#11 | Posted by censored

Don't be simple. Israel does it day after day and that is half the reason for the ongoing conflict. Not 1200 at once but one by one.

#16 | Posted by GalaxiePete at 2024-09-27 04:24 PM | Reply

Don't be simple. Israel does it day after day and that is half the reason for the ongoing conflict. Not 1200 at once but one by one. #16 | Posted by GalaxiePete

Sure, it was the other day when I saw Bibi parachute into a Muslim music shindig and open fire at civilians.

#17 | Posted by censored at 2024-09-27 04:30 PM | Reply

#17 | Posted by censored

No, they show up in the middle of the night to take your house. If you fight them, they shoot you. They level your house and build a wall or give it to some group of extremist cooks to use in their settlement. You go to your Olive orchard they order you to stop. You come back the next day, same thing. You actually try to harvest your olives they shoot you. Happens all the time.

The Israelis are actually the more guilty party. They were not invited they tried to get it for 100 years. They said "we want this place" it was ours (2500 years ago...) The WWII allies gave it to them.

TO BE CLEAR: What Hamas did was unforgivable. Pure Evil. They knew what was coming after though and Israel's response isn't any better.

#18 | Posted by GalaxiePete at 2024-09-27 04:47 PM | Reply

Yeah, sucks to be the Palestinians. That's the sort of thing that happens when conquered. As they should know since the Muslims have taken land belonging to others for quite some time now. en.wikipedia.org

Difference being that, for most of us, we take our lumps and move on with our lives. Find some place else to settle down and call home. ("Why Are Palestinians Still Living as Refugees 6 Decades Later?" www.historynewsnetwork.org (short answer, they are the only group in our existence that are perpetual refugees generations down the line. We could have a Palestinian president of the United States who was born here and he would still be a Palestinian refugee)).

Sounds like the Palestinians should have taken those peace deals they were offered five times in the last 90 years. ("How Palestine rejected offer to have its own state 5 times in the past" lawandsocietymagazine.com). Or maybe they should slaughter some more Jewish civilians twenty years from now and see if that works out better for them.

#19 | Posted by censored at 2024-09-27 05:02 PM | Reply

Hamas was Proportionate.

Israel Not.

Israel is Occupying Palestinian lands and "Settlers" are Usurping and Killing with no brake from the West or Israeli leadership.

The "Settlers" are Terrorists and Thieves. Worse than Hamas.

Hamas is, like it or not, the legitimate leadership in Gaza.

Israel will continue on this path until stopped by Force or Economic Collapse.

The US is complicit in Israeli Crimes against Humanity. The whole world knows it but is powerless to stop it because the US defies all constraint or acknowledgement of international law.

War will decide this and the Israeli's are making that inevitable.

#20 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2024-09-27 05:16 PM | Reply

#19 It sucks to be Israeli. To Lose your Soul for a few more acres of blood soaked land.

To become Worse than the "Terrorists" you are fighting.

Israel is Capable of Anything. Morally..they are WhaleShit on the bottom of the Ocean.

No Lies, Open Murders, Rapes of Prisoners for Sadistic Joy, Killing of Medics and Journalists. Targeting of civilians after directing them to "Safe Zones" etc. Is too Terrible and Cowardly for them to embrace.

As long as it's "Chosen" doing it.

Other Groups are not afforded the same Moral Latitude to be Monsters.

In fact the Chosen are especially Virtuous by Birthright as the "World's Biggest Victims"

#21 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2024-09-27 05:30 PM | Reply

Sure, it was the other day when I saw Bibi parachute into a Muslim music shindig and open fire at civilians.

#17 | Posted by censored

Do remember when bibi gave the green light to more religious extremist "settlers" to steal the homes of innocent people because god wants the jews to have it?

#22 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2024-09-27 07:32 PM | Reply

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