Thursday, March 20, 2025

RFK: Bird Flu Should Be Allowed to Spread Unchecked

Secretary of Health and Human Services Robert F. Kennedy Jr. thinks that the bird flu should be allowed to spread unchecked to identify birds that could be immune.

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Robert F. Kennedy Jr. has suggested allowing bird flu to spread, so as to identify birds that may be immune. Veterinary scientists said that would be inhumane, dangerous and have enormous economic consequences.

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-- The New York Times (@nytimes.com) March 19, 2025 at 3:15 PM

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Polio Bob has spoken!

#1 | Posted by Nixon at 2025-03-20 11:14 AM

That's the same thing Republicans said about COVID.

COVID killed Republicans at a 38% higher rate than Democrats. abcnews.go.com

#2 | Posted by snoofy at 2025-03-20 12:14 PM

Brainworm Bobby sure has some thoughts.

#3 | Posted by Doc_Sarvis at 2025-03-20 12:49 PM

Circus Geek Kennedy should bite the heads off of live chickens. You know he really wants to ...

#4 | Posted by censored at 2025-03-20 02:25 PM

Putin and the Russian oligarchs are happy to watch America self-destruct, brick by brick, with unchecked diseases, gun violence, wildfires, droughts, unsafe skies, a gutted FBI and USIC, a demoralized population, and a weakened economy: www.msnbc.com

Thank you everyone who voted for Trumpf on 5 Nov 2024 and delivering us this human wreaking ball. Gut arbet.

#5 | Posted by C0RI0LANUS at 2025-03-20 02:45 PM

Smallpox Blanket Kennedy Jr. has a nice ring to it.

#6 | Posted by censored at 2025-03-20 02:55 PM

Is this crackpot going to treat affected birds with black tar heroin?

#7 | Posted by reinheitsgebot at 2025-03-20 07:47 PM

Isn't this the same approach that RFK Jr wants to use to address the measles epidemic, just let it run its course until we reach 'herd immunity'?

OCU

#8 | Posted by OCUser at 2025-03-20 08:41 PM

Russia had Lysenko and now we have Kennedy.

#9 | Posted by TenMile at 2025-03-20 09:14 PM

Honestly, this is what passes for news? The bio-safety protocols we just enforced made 14 of 15 hen farms disease free. And all we did was patch the holes and make sure a goose pooping overhead couldn't have its crap tracked in.

Mexico tried mRNA vax, but even after 3-5 shots, 80% of the birds died.

And if after culling 140 million birds, we still have it. And if culling workes how come bird-flu isn't crossing borders, beacause nobody else is doing it?

Honestly, people need to get out more and read the news.

#10 | Posted by HeliumRat at 2025-03-20 09:34 PM

What are you talking about? Last year it was already in 124 nations. I'm sure it's even more now. And some nations are vaccinating.

#11 | Posted by YAV at 2025-03-20 09:44 PM

OK, it's an old article. "Trump's health secretary has proposed the worst idea, as egg prices continue to skyrocket."

Egg prices dropped $2 a carton in the last two weeks, and are still dropping. This thing ended when we bio-secured our hen-houses. Why is that not news?

Oh, wait, the only sites I can post from are banned here :)

#12 | Posted by HeliumRat at 2025-03-20 09:50 PM

#11 Yeah, the 124 nations we have to buy new eggs from? Like Denmark? This is old news, dude.

#13 | Posted by HeliumRat at 2025-03-20 09:52 PM

Hey, you're the one that said " how come bird-flu isn't crossing borders". That was pretty dumb, now, wasn't it?

#14 | Posted by YAV at 2025-03-20 09:54 PM

Bird flue causes pink-eye in humans. We are the only country culling. We should cull YAV instead.

#15 | Posted by HeliumRat at 2025-03-20 09:58 PM

#14 Yeah you're right. I should have said "culling isn't crossing borders". Because nobody is culling and facing our egg prices. But yeah, that's kind of like saying the crises doesn't cross borders, which is what I meant.

#16 | Posted by HeliumRat at 2025-03-20 10:01 PM

#14 But you can't get that, beacuse you have water on the brain. I proscribe amputation.

#17 | Posted by HeliumRat at 2025-03-20 10:02 PM

I appreciate you proscribing amputation.
I feel you may be projecting your medical conditions on me, however.

#18 | Posted by YAV at 2025-03-20 10:15 PM

"Meat and eggs from infected birds are banned from entering the food chain, resulting in huge losses for farmers and industry."

(This is why nations don't allow export/import of eggs)

"In the UK, US, and Europe, culling has become the main method of controlling the virus and preventing it from jumping to humans but it costs farms " and taxpayers " dearly."

(we also know Asia is doing a lot of culling)

Also vaccination is used and it is successful, but that doesn't prevent birds from shedding the virus (just like humans and polio), so transportation of birds from one nation to another is prohibited (as well as internally for many nations).

www.telegraph.co.uk"%20and%20taxpayers%20"%20dearly.

#19 | Posted by YAV at 2025-03-20 10:23 PM

Heh. I meant prescribe. But again, you knew that. Sort of like how you knew that egg prices went up but chicken meat prices didn't, because one industry culled and the other didn't. But why?

The good news is the bird flu pandemic is over, and it was only us when it came to egg prices because of that.

#20 | Posted by HeliumRat at 2025-03-20 10:23 PM

#19 They didn't cull 140,000,000 chickens like we did YAV. Get some frigging numbers. It's not quantum science, you can know things.

#21 | Posted by HeliumRat at 2025-03-20 10:25 PM

You keep telling yourself that.
I know the prices of eggs in the UK in 2024 as a result of culling.

#22 | Posted by YAV at 2025-03-20 10:25 PM

I was looking at $8.50 for a dozen eggs. Up from about $3. Down to $6.50 now that the terror is over.

#23 | Posted by HeliumRat at 2025-03-20 10:27 PM

You do know that the UK is a lot smaller than the United States in population, geographical size, and flocks of chickens, right? Something called scale?

#24 | Posted by YAV at 2025-03-20 10:28 PM

And we figured out how to stop it. Culling was meaningless. We had to bio-secure the hatcheries. Follow the science. The death rate when you vaxxed fell from 90% to 80%? For 3-5 shots per bird? That doesn't work.

Now we have the solution and egg prices are on the way down. Thank you science!

#25 | Posted by HeliumRat at 2025-03-20 10:36 PM

I agree on bio-securing. Organic farms I got my eggs from were early in on that. The price of eggs haven't changed until the massive spike due to the commercial failures early this year. The problem with the bio-securing is wild birds were still transmitting for in the less secure sites. Culling works, but it costs. Culling is still called out in the UNFAO advisory. Many nations just can't afford to do that. Even more can't afford bio-securing. Vaccination is big in France and other nations, though, and it works. You just can't export product from vaccinated chickens.

You brought up chicken prices for meat versus eggs. There is a MASSIVE difference in life span between egg laying hens and chickens raised for meat. Entirely different processes and facilities, too. You can't look at them as the same at all. They aren't close.

#26 | Posted by YAV at 2025-03-20 10:44 PM

"The death rate when you vaxxed fell from 90% to 80%? For 3-5 shots per bird? That doesn't work."

Huh? Now you have twice as many survivors. How is that not worth it?

#27 | Posted by snoofy at 2025-03-20 10:44 PM

I guess the birds are a dime a dozen and the full run of shots is more, is the only way I can see that playing out.

#28 | Posted by snoofy at 2025-03-20 10:45 PM

BTW - France's success rate on vaccination was 95.9%.

#29 | Posted by YAV at 2025-03-20 10:45 PM

France: VOLVAC B.E.S.T AI + ND KV, an emulsion for injection, two shots. Ducks (It's France).

#30 | Posted by YAV at 2025-03-20 10:47 PM

How can you denfend a -------- article? The bird-flu is over and the answer was quarentine, like it always has been, only now use the term "bio-secure". There was never any need for mass culling. And the CDC said that the vax was pointless after a review, saying it might not be recommended for a year.

Also, the vax doesn't stop transmission.

Why even post obsolete junk-science article like this one?

#31 | Posted by HeliumRat at 2025-03-20 10:56 PM

RFK Jr. Unveils Disturbing Plan to Combat Bird Flu

Trump's health secretary has proposed the worst idea, as egg prices continue to skyrocket.

None of that is true. It stinks. Egss prices are dropping and the plan is working, and has been for weeks now.

#32 | Posted by HeliumRat at 2025-03-20 11:00 PM

gss prices are dropping and the plan is working, and has been for weeks now.
#32 | Posted by HeliumRat

Wait, what's the plan? Be specific.

#33 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2025-03-20 11:03 PM

- what's the plan

Free Helium for Everyone!!

Werks for Ratty.

#34 | Posted by Corky at 2025-03-20 11:04 PM

#33 To bio-secure the hatcheries. Scroll up. Stopped the virus in 14 or 15 hatcheries. All they did was patch them up a little. It was cheap. I'll find you a site on it, unless it's banned here :)

#35 | Posted by HeliumRat at 2025-03-20 11:06 PM

Wait, Heliumrat asking how you can defend a "--------" article? Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

#36 | Posted by LegallyYourDead at 2025-03-20 11:06 PM

Egg prices are dropping WHOLESALE, you idiot. Because nobody's buying them. Check out RETAIL prices, --------.

#37 | Posted by LegallyYourDead at 2025-03-20 11:07 PM

Retail egg prices remain high despite a significant drop in wholesale prices. Wholesale costs for large eggs have fallen by over 40% since late February, reaching a national average of $4.15 - $4.83 per dozen, depending on the region[1][9][10]. However, grocery stores have been slow to adjust retail prices, largely due to inventory dynamics and pricing strategies. Eggs currently on store shelves were purchased at higher wholesale rates weeks ago, and retailers may delay price reductions until older stock is sold[2][10].

Economists predict that retail prices will begin to decline within the next few weeks if bird flu remains under control and supply continues to stabilize[9][10]. However, regional differences and retailer policies could result in uneven price drops across the country[2].

Citations:
[1]
www.forbes.com
[2] www.nytimes.com
[3] www.cnbc.com
[4] www.newsweek.com
[5] www.nextbigfuture.com
[6] tradingeconomics.com
[7] www.deseret.com
[8] suntci.com
[9] www.cnbc.com
[10] www.npr.org
[11] www.fb.org

HELIUMRAT would have a point if RFK Jr. wasn't running the show.

#38 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2025-03-20 11:14 PM

#35 | Posted by HeliumRat

I would appreciate a source to read deeper into that. Thank you.

#39 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2025-03-20 11:15 PM

Culling"killing infected or at-risk birds"aims to stop the virus dead in its tracks. In the U.S., since the H5N1 outbreak kicked off in 2022, over 156 million birds have been culled across commercial and backyard flocks, per USDA figures. It's effective in theory: remove the hosts, and the virus can't spread further. Case studies back this up to a point. For instance, during Iowa's 2022 outbreak, culling 13 million birds in one county halted local transmission within weeks, letting hatcheries and farms restock. But it's not a silver bullet. The virus often re-enters via wild birds, as seen in California's 2024 wave, where 8 million birds were culled yet outbreaks persisted into 2025. Hatcheries tied to those supply chains still got hit indirectly"fewer eggs, disrupted schedules"showing culling's limits when the external reservoir (wildlife) isn't controlled. Plus, it's reactive; by the time you cull, the virus has already spread, sometimes silently in asymptomatic birds.

- From Grok 3

Culling had no effect.

#40 | Posted by HeliumRat at 2025-03-20 11:16 PM

The claim about "bio-securing hatcheries" and stopping the bird flu in 14 or 15 facilities with minimal, cost-effective measures aligns with the broader strategies being implemented to combat avian influenza. Here's how it fits into the context of current efforts:

Biosecurity in Hatcheries
- Key Measures: Biosecurity involves a series of practices aimed at preventing the introduction and spread of pathogens. For hatcheries, this includes controlling access, maintaining hygiene, segregating flocks, and ensuring proper cleaning, disinfection, and fumigation of facilities and equipment[1][6].
- Cost-Effective Solutions: Simple steps like patching up facilities or improving barriers can make a significant difference. For example, preventing wild bird access and improving sanitation are relatively low-cost measures that have proven effective in reducing outbreaks[2][4].

Success Stories
- USDA Initiatives: The USDA has been investing heavily in biosecurity upgrades, including funding up to 75% of the cost for producers to address vulnerabilities. Facilities that implemented these measures have seen substantial success, with minimal outbreaks reported among those following gold-standard protocols[3][7].
- Hatchery-Specific Actions: Weekly testing of breeder flocks, early fumigation of eggs, and strict hygiene protocols for personnel entering hatcheries have been critical in controlling disease spread within hatcheries[1][6].

The claim that minimal investments in biosecurity helped control bird flu in several facilities aligns with documented strategies. While these measures may seem simple (e.g., patching up facilities), they are part of a broader framework that emphasizes prevention through targeted biosecurity practices.

Citations:
[1]
avinews.com
[2] layinghens.hendrix-genetics.com
[3] www.cidrap.umn.edu
[4] utpoultry.tennessee.edu
[5] zootecnicainternational.com
[6] www.linkedin.com
[7] www.usda.gov
[8] www.freedomrangerhatchery.com
[9] extension.msstate.edu
[10] www.neogen.com

#41 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2025-03-20 11:18 PM

#40 | Posted by HeliumRat

You should give perplexity.ai a try.

#42 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2025-03-20 11:19 PM

But biosecurity worked. And why living ---- are people posting links to MSM sites? That's fake news! Next you'll be shouting that COVID-19 came from a bat ------- a pangolin. Don't ------- read newspapers for science! That's like going to the New York Times or WaPo for the truth about RussiaGate or the Laptop or a billion other things. Jesus, those days are over.

#43 | Posted by HeliumRat at 2025-03-20 11:20 PM

Culling had no effect.
#40 | Posted by HeliumRat

What do you think about RFK's stance that it should be let loose?

#44 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2025-03-20 11:21 PM

Biosecurity, on the other hand, is proactive"think locked gates, disinfected boots, and wild bird netting. It's credited with keeping many operations, including hatcheries, virus-free even in hot zones. In Minnesota, a 2023 study from the University of Minnesota found farms with top-tier biosecurity (e.g., sealed vents, no shared equipment) had 75% lower infection rates than lax ones, despite proximity to infected wild ducks. Hatcheries lean hard on this: a single breach"like a worker tracking in contaminated mud"can ruin a batch, so they've doubled down on protocols since 2022. X posts from poultry workers in 2025 highlight hatcheries using UV sanitizers and banning outside vehicles, claiming zero cases where enforced. Globally, the Netherlands cut outbreaks by 50% from 2021 to 2023 with mandatory indoor housing and biosecurity, per Dutch ag reports, protecting hatcheries upstream.

Grok 3

#45 | Posted by HeliumRat at 2025-03-20 11:21 PM

But biosecurity worked. And why living ---- are people posting links to MSM sites? That's fake news! Next you'll be shouting that COVID-19 came from a bat ------- a pangolin. Don't ------- read newspapers for science! That's like going to the New York Times or WaPo for the truth about RussiaGate or the Laptop or a billion other things. Jesus, those days are over.
#43 | Posted by HeliumRat

WTF happened? We were having a perfectly fine conversation. Then you went all 4chan. Why? You're still screaming fake news? JFC man.

#46 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2025-03-20 11:22 PM

#44 Don't know where you got that. He's the guy that stated biosecurity was the way to go. I heard the 14 out of 15 hatcheroies quote from him on youtube explaining it.

#47 | Posted by HeliumRat at 2025-03-20 11:23 PM

#45 | Posted by HeliumRat

Why are you ignoring the context provided in #41?

Are you having another episode?

#48 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2025-03-20 11:23 PM

Don't know where you got that. He's the guy that stated biosecurity was the way to go. I heard the 14 out of 15 hatcheroies quote from him on youtube explaining it.
#47 | Posted by HeliumRat

Yes, Robert F. Kennedy Jr. recently proposed allowing bird flu to spread naturally among poultry flocks as a strategy to identify birds with natural immunity. He made this suggestion during multiple interviews on Fox News, advocating for farmers to let the virus propagate instead of culling infected birds. Kennedy argued that this approach could help preserve immune birds, but his proposal has been widely criticized by veterinary experts and scientists as dangerous, inhumane, and impractical[1][2][3][6][7].

Citations:
[1]
www.nytimes.com
[2] www.scientificamerican.com
[3] www.unmc.edu
[4] www.unmc.edu
[5] www.cbsnews.com
[6] www.buzzfeed.com
[7] www.usnews.com
[8] www.medpagetoday.com
[9] www.thinkglobalhealth.org
[10] www.npr.org

Oh, but all 10 of those sources are MSM according to you, right? OK, I'll find a youtube to prove that he actually said "that."

---
Answer from Perplexity: pplx.ai/share

#49 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2025-03-20 11:25 PM

Here you go: youtu.be

#50 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2025-03-20 11:26 PM

#45 Uh, that wasn't for you, that was me ranting about COVID-19. Sorry :).

People got banned for pointing out the obvious flaws in that narrative.

#51 | Posted by HeliumRat at 2025-03-20 11:29 PM

#50 OMG! I watched that 50 seconds, and she submitted that for the record?

#52 | Posted by HeliumRat at 2025-03-20 11:32 PM

#49 Show me the question you asked and what model. It seems you asked for "Does RFK believe in herd immunity and why are the WEF not actually secretly lizard-people?"

#53 | Posted by HeliumRat at 2025-03-20 11:36 PM

#53

"Did RFK Jr. recently pronounce that bird flu should be allowed to spread without countermeasures?" through perplexity.ai

www.perplexity.ai

#54 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2025-03-20 11:40 PM

And that's the link to the actual query.

#55 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2025-03-20 11:40 PM

#54 I asked "Why did he say that", and the answer is not satisfactory. "He believes that robust biosecurity measures, rather than culling, are the solution to combating bird flu",

That's controversial?

#56 | Posted by HeliumRat at 2025-03-20 11:47 PM

#55 Yeah, I typed it and read it, then asked mine.

You know, one test of a good AI is to ask it simple questions like who one the last foot-race across the English channel....

Or trip it up with cosmology. Or dreams and consciousness.

#57 | Posted by HeliumRat at 2025-03-20 11:51 PM

#57 | Posted by HeliumRat

So you don't like that AI platform?

#58 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2025-03-20 11:55 PM

Grok 3 is the best I've seen. ChatGPT treats people like a puzzle it must solve, and it's database ends in 2021. I need programming solutions that are up-to-date, so I joined X just to talk to it and it works great.

It's also not afraid to talk about controvertial subjects. I asked ChatGTP "I saw a studt in the 1990's that showed that homesexuality in men is caused by two genes on the X-chromosome that make men gay, but women more fertile. That's why it's preserved in nature. But I can't find the studies? Can You?"

It flagged my request as possibly violing it's terms of service, hanged, said "Yes.", hanged again, outputs something then rwrote the screen and showed me the studies. It had to pass a censorship test.

Gemini outright lied and said the concept was controversial at best. No studies.

Grok 3 dives right into it, including the twin studies and seperated twin studies, and the fraternal vs. identical studies. It's conclusion? God makes you gay, so you can't pray it away....

#59 | Posted by HeliumRat at 2025-03-21 12:04 AM

#59 | Posted by HeliumRat

Try it out on perplexity.ai

#60 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2025-03-21 12:26 AM

That's about what Grok said. Now ask about twin studies. Look for "52%" vs "22%" vs. "2%" in identical, fraternal, and non-twin odds of one being gay and not the the other. It jumps straight at a gay gene....

But I can learn to be gay. I will personally ---- the next person that tells me gender is fluid up the ass with an object (no, I am not using my penis, I'm not gender fluid....)

#61 | Posted by HeliumRat at 2025-03-21 12:48 AM

"It jumps straight at a gay gene"

So it's not a choice?

How about trans, also not a choice?

#62 | Posted by snoofy at 2025-03-21 01:27 AM

"The bird-flu is over and the answer was quarentine, like it always has been"

Was that the correct answer for COVID too?

#63 | Posted by snoofy at 2025-03-21 01:28 AM

Uh, trans is not gay, snoofy. Being gay is where God makes you lust after men using 2 genes on the X chromosome. Being trans is where you tuck your junk, put on women's underwear, and dance around pretending you have a vagina because you get off to it sexually. Alternately, instead of just being a pervert, you could actually have gender dysphoria, and really want to cut your dick off because it's not yours - imminently curable. Any psychiatrist could treat it in a few months. No need for surgery.

Those are all very different things.

#64 | Posted by HeliumRat at 2025-03-21 01:36 AM

#63 Yes, you dumb ----. You quarantine the sick, not the healthy. Lockdowns are just -------- the lizard-people at the WEF wanted for us - like eating ze bugs!

What kind of dumb-ass question is that! Follow the Science!

#65 | Posted by HeliumRat at 2025-03-21 01:39 AM

Helium! You sound stressed.

Take 30,000 mg vitamin D+ and 12 lumens of ultraviolet light. That should help stabilize your skin.

If you're still not feeling well, sleep with some clear quartz under your pillow.

#66 | Posted by ClownShack at 2025-03-21 01:55 AM

#66 Yeah, snoofy isn't good for your health. I'd take supplements, but every time I think of vitamin pills I think of Alex Jones, and werewolves terrify me. Have you heard him howl? People have know about werewolves for how long? And nobody sees it right in front of us but me? There have to be others....

#67 | Posted by HeliumRat at 2025-03-21 02:32 AM

sleep with some clear quartz under your pillow.
#66 | Posted by ClownShack

You mean amethyst. numb nuts.

#68 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2025-03-21 02:39 AM

#67 | Posted by HeliumRat

You're drunk. Just stop.

#69 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2025-03-21 02:40 AM

"Being gay is where God makes you lust after men using 2 genes on the X chromosome."

Which two genes are those?

What happens when women have those two genes on one or both X chromosomes, do they lust after men or women?

"Being trans is where you tuck your junk, put on women's underwear, and dance around pretending you have a vagina because you get off to it sexually."

Which genes give rise to this phenotype?

#70 | Posted by snoofy at 2025-03-21 08:51 AM

The bird-flu is over and the answer was quarentine (sic)
Followed by:
You quarantine the sick, not the healthy

You are contradicting yourself. Bio-secure doesn't relie on quarantining the sick but isolating the healthy from all source of contamination. That's a full on quarantining of the healthy. That's what patching those holes did. Also that's a simplistic view of bio-securing. Wild birds have to be kept out, feed has to be clean.

You throw out facile phrases then contradict what you say. In short, you're all over the map using terms you don't seem to understand, and you're foolishly declaring bird flu as "over." It isn't.

Vaccination works for bird flu like it does for other diseases. France's duck population is fine, thanks to vaccination, while the US duck farming continues to be decimated. They just did a massive cull on Long Island.

You always want to reduce things to an absurd level where it becomes a simplistic soundbite. Life doesn't work that way.

#71 | Posted by YAV at 2025-03-21 09:17 AM

Bio-security - waht is it?

#72 | Posted by YAV at 2025-03-21 09:33 AM

Damn typo! ;-)

#73 | Posted by YAV at 2025-03-21 09:34 AM

RFK: Bird Flu Should Be Allowed to Spread Unchecked

I guess RJK doesn't recognize that he is no longer a pundit. As the head of HHS, he needs to speak with AUTHORITY and stop pontificating!

#74 | Posted by FedUpWithPols at 2025-03-21 05:24 PM

This country is so screwed.

#75 | Posted by cbob at 2025-03-21 06:06 PM

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