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Friday, April 19, 2024

Arizona Republicans celebrated Wednesday after swatting down Democrats' fourth attempt in two weeks to repeal the state's near-total abortion ban, which the state Supreme Court upheld last week.

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Rep. David Livingston (R-AZ) turned to the galleries, stuffed with a mix of pro- and anti-abortion rights protesters, and applauded his supporters, raising his fists in triumph. Majority Whip Teresa Martinez (R-AZ) mouthed "we got you" and did a thumbs up. Majority Leader Leo Biasiucci (R-AZ) grinned and accepted a handshake on his way out of the chamber.

Here's the video:

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#1 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2024-04-17 06:14 PM | Reply

These same MAGA are going to be confused and enraged when they lose Arizona in November. They are never going to realize when stupid doesn't work for them.

#2 | Posted by Zed at 2024-04-17 06:19 PM | Reply

The Handmaid's Tale isn't just a mini series. It's a warning.

#3 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2024-04-17 06:27 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 5

#2

Just like Sammy Sosa used to say, "Keep it continue(!)" state GOPs everywhere.

Celebrations for the removal of womens' civil rights - through the use of an 1864 law written before women HAD any codified civil rights - is sure to be a attractive look to those women being affected now and those women who'll be impacted in the future should the GOP be empowered by voters to do so.

#4 | Posted by tonyroma at 2024-04-17 06:28 PM | Reply

More from the cited article...

...On Wednesday, Rep. Matt Gress (R-AZ) crossed over to help Democrats advance the bill -- but only did so at the last possible moment, typically a sign that a politician wants to be on the record voting one way but without the risk of being the last needed yes vote.

Both votes failed with a 30-30 tie.

"One vote would make the entire difference here," [Assistant Minority Leader Oscar] De Los Santos said. ...



#5 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-04-17 06:29 PM | Reply

Arzizona Republicans aren't giving up without a fight:

Arizona GOP Plan to File Competing Abortion Ballot Measures to Confuse Voters: Report

Arizona Republicans are trying to manipulate voters into supporting unpopular bans

www.meidastouch.com

#6 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2024-04-17 06:30 PM | Reply

@#6 ... Arizona GOP Plan to File Competing Abortion Ballot Measures to Confuse Voters: Report ...

Yet another example of Republicans being afraid of voters.

#7 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-04-17 06:40 PM | Reply

More...

abcnews.go.com

... "The last thing we should be doing today is rushing a bill through the legislative process to repeal a law that has been enacted and reaffirmed by the Legislature several times," Speaker Ben Toma, a Republican, said during Wednesday's state House session. ...

Assistant Minority Leader Oscar De Los Santos, speaking after Toma, said, "This issue is very simple: Do we support or do we oppose an 1864 territorial abortion ban that includes no exceptions for rape, no exceptions for ------?"

He continued: "We heard the speaker mention that we shouldn't be rushing this process. Members, we have had since 1864 to repeal this abhorrent law," ...


#8 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-04-17 06:49 PM | Reply

Great optics, those fat old white men in the front row, standing up to cheer Republicans controlling women.

So Much Winning!
#MAGA

#9 | Posted by snoofy at 2024-04-17 06:58 PM | Reply

"We heard the speaker mention that we shouldn't be rushing this process. Members, we have had since 1864 to repeal this abhorrent law," ...

Talk about a mic drop line that instantly puts this entire absurdity into proper context.

#10 | Posted by tonyroma at 2024-04-17 06:59 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Just a reminder:

www.google.com

That is an Arizona state senator kneeling in the well of the state house speaking in tongues.

That is literal mental disease at work.

ANYONE who does not support women's rights is supporting this insanity.

This is who you are in bed with.

Scary times indeed

#11 | Posted by truthhurts at 2024-04-17 07:31 PM | Reply

Great optics, those fat old white men in the front row, standing up to cheer Republicans controlling women.

So Much Winning!
#MAGA

#9 | POSTED BY SNOOFY

The one thing that keeps me going is the itch in the back of my mind that Republicans are in for a whooping of biblical proportions this November-between a wannabee dictator fraud and sexual predator who likely will be a felon at the top of the ticket, to the fraudster taking all of the Republican donations for this legal defense fund to images of women suffering from abortion bans to fears of a nationwide ban to further ------- on the SC, I think we might be moving towards a tipping point where the voters eyes are open.

The counter thought in my brain is the thing that BillJ exemplified yesterday-he decidedly thinking that an abortion ban is not really an abortion ban. I saw people on CNN who said, Yes, ------- is unworthy to be president and even if he is found guilty of a felony they would still vote for him over Biden. Their reasoning? "The country can take another Biden term in office". Like umm, things are really that bad? I don't pretend to understand the magat mindset, but I think, maybe hope, that we are reaching a tipping point of his --------.

#12 | Posted by truthhurts at 2024-04-17 07:37 PM | Reply

"The one thing that keeps me going is the itch in the back of my mind that Republicans are in for a whooping of biblical proportions this November-between a wannabee dictator fraud and sexual predator who likely will be a felon at the top of the ticket, to the fraudster taking all of the Republican donations for this legal defense fund to images of women suffering from abortion bans to fears of a nationwide ban to further ------- on the SC, I think we might be moving towards a tipping point where the voters eyes are open."

I think you may be right.

#13 | Posted by eberly at 2024-04-17 07:46 PM | Reply

@#12 ... the itch in the back of my mind that Republicans are in for a whooping of biblical proportions this November ...

So far, not so much. But it is early. And as I have noted, most (nearly all? all?) the polls are using the polling frame of "registered voters." As we move closer to November, that polling frame will morph to "likely voters."


2024 General Election: Trump vs. Biden
www.realclearpolling.com

...
RCP Average 3/21 - 4/11
Trump: 45.6
Biden: 45.4
...

2024 RCP Electoral College Map
www.realclearpolling.com

...
Biden: 215
Toss Ups:104
Trump: 219

270 Electoral Votes Needed To Win
...



Battle for the Senate 2024
www.realclearpolling.com

...
Democrats: 43
Toss Ups: 8
Republicans: 49
...

No nice summaries yet for the House.



#14 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-04-17 07:46 PM | Reply

Have you heard about the man behind the 1864 Arizonia law? If not, take a listen:

Hillary Clinton slams 'cruelty towards women' of Arizona's abortion law

www.msnbc.com

#15 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2024-04-17 08:07 PM | Reply

@#15 ... Have you heard about the man behind the 1864 Arizonia law? ...

No time to listen to videos at the moment.

But I had heard he was some New York dude....

OK, found this...

William Howell wrote Arizona's 1864 abortion ban. He modeled it on California's
www.latimes.com

... It was the era of the Wild West, when white men from back East were flooding into Arizona to reap the golden bounty of the land, take over territories and establish laws.

William Howell, a New Yorker tasked with writing the code that would enshrine Arizona as a territory, cracked open the law books of a neighboring state as a model: California. He copied over swaths of the state's legal text -- including a paragraph that criminalized abortions except when the mother's life was at risk. ...



#16 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-04-17 08:13 PM | Reply

No time to listen to videos at the moment.

She said, "the man who wrote the law was married 4 times, one of his wives was 12 and 2 of his wives were 15."

Okay, it was a different century, but that's precisely the point.

#17 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2024-04-17 08:19 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

Alito used a believer in witches and a supporter of spousal rape to justify the overthrow of RvW so that is right in their wheelhouse.

#18 | Posted by truthhurts at 2024-04-17 08:21 PM | Reply

Meet the 'pursuer of nubile young females' who helped pass Arizona's 1864 abortion law

The Arizona Supreme Court has decided the law is still relevant. So let's talk about the guy who led the body that passed it.

The time has come to reflect on the life and times--especially the times--of William Claude Jones.

Jones was a "prevaricator, a poet, a politician and the pursuer of nubile young females," according to a 1990 article published in the Journal of Arizona History, which appears to be the most comprehensive biographical report published on the life of the 19th-century rogue.

www.washingtonpost.com

#19 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2024-04-17 08:28 PM | Reply

"the man who wrote the law was married 4 times"

According to the WaPo article above, he was married 5 times. He was accused of abducting his 12 year old wife and subsequently resigned his position as U.S. attorney for the New Mexico territory.

FTA above:

By now you are probably wondering why in God's name I am writing about this lecherous caricature of a man " a man whose compatriots in the 19th century recognized that he was problematic.

Here's why:

While Jones lived in Arizona, he was elected to represent Tucson in the 1st Arizona Territorial Legislative Assembly. And then, when that legislature convened in 1864, he was elected speaker of the House.

And it was that legislature--the one Jones presided over in 1864, after he had already abandoned his first wife, and married a 12-year-old and was just weeks away from marrying a 15-year-old, though still a few years away from marrying a 14-year-old--it was that legislature that passed a law reading, "Every person who shall administer or cause to be administered or taken, any medicinal substances, or shall use or cause to be used any instruments whatever, with the intention to procure the miscarriage of any woman then being with child, and shall be thereof duly convicted, shall be punished by imprisonment in the Territorial prison for a term not less than two years nor more than five years."

And it was that piece of legislation that, earlier this week, was reinstated as law of the land in Arizona. It represents a near-total ban on abortion in the state. The state's Supreme Court voted 4-2 that the 160-year-old law, put into place nearly five decades before Arizona was a state, should supersede the previous rule, which guarded the right to an abortion up to 15 weeks' gestation. The new--and by new, I mean very old--law is scheduled to go into effect in two weeks' time.

William Claude Jones sauntered into the wide expanse of a Southwestern territory more than 150 years ago, and this man's morals are now the benchmark for the reproductive rights of the 7 million people who live in rizona. Good night.

Tell me again how the Republican party doesn't hate women.

#20 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2024-04-17 08:34 PM | Reply

@#20 ... Tell me again how the Republican party doesn't hate women. ...

I cannot tell you that again because i never told it to you for a first time.

Quite the contrary, I have said that Republicans seem to like their women barefoot and pregnant in the kitchen, cooking dinner for when they come home. I've have an in-law tell me as much.

OpEd: "Barefoot, Pregnant and In The Kitchen" Was Never Intended As a Joke (2022)
remakingmanhood.medium.com

... The men forcing birth on women by making abortion illegal fully understand that women raising children are less likely to show up in the workplace, in politics, in any place where they can challenge the power of conservative men.

Overturning Roe v. Wade is designed to suppress women's political, educational and professional agency. "Keep them barefoot and pregnant and in the kitchen" was never a joke. It's been the political strategy of conservative men for generations.

White, male and christian supremacists all seek to guarantee that women's first and only role is to service men and reproduce. This agenda for controlling women is what the Republican Party is codifying into law in Texas, Louisiana and dozens of other states. ...



#21 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-04-17 10:25 PM | Reply

"I cannot tell you that again because i never told it to you for a first time."

No, you didn't. I was actually thinking of Bellringer and an article he posted that made that claim. I just read an excellent article on the interconnected topic of rolling back both abortion rights and women's rights, emphasis mine:

It's not a coincidence that the early anti-abortion movement in the U.S. was one headed by men, in reaction to expanding rights, freedom, and power for women--just as it is not a coincidence that today's anti-abortion movement, formed in opposition to rapid gains in women's rights during the 1960s and '70s, has seen its most significant victory thanks to the most overtly misogynistic president in modern American history, a serial philanderer, a many-times-accused sexual harasser and assailant, a man recently found liable for sexual abuse.

The history of these laws tells us quite a bit about our present, especially what motivates the most aggressive abortion opponents. Attempts to criminalize abortion have always gone hand in hand with conservative and religious views on gender roles, with abortion bans functioning as blunt instruments that force women back into our God-given place as dutiful mothers and obedient wives. And it's equally impossible to separate out efforts to legalize abortion from broader moves toward gender equality, both in the liberalization of abortion laws--efforts led by feminists around the world--and in the feminist outcome of those liberalized laws. That would be: record progress for women and girls, from more egalitarian interpersonal relationships to greater financial power to skyrocketing educational and professional achievements to much longer and healthier lives for women and the children we bear.

Those in the anti-abortion movement are relying on the letter of the law from 150 years ago not simply because it's convenient. They're leaning on century-old laws because they want to make America a certain way again, and those century-old laws both sprang from and enabled a particular kind of society. Those laws existed only because women were legally, socially, and economically second-class citizens, their rights and liberties determined by white men who enjoyed exclusive control over every lever of political power. And those laws had the effect of maintaining that same complete male domination--that is, until generations of feminists dismantled them and put a great many cracks in the system that created them.

And this, still, is the fundamental divide. Should women's rights in America go back to what they were in 1873? Feminists have spent the past 150 years painstakingly chipping away at the laws that forced our subservience. But today's anti-abortion movement, and its representatives in the Republican Party, has a different answer, one it makes clear every time it argues that women's bodies should be regulated by laws that existed before any woman had a legal say in them.

slate.com

#22 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2024-04-17 10:40 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"It's not a coincidence that the early anti-abortion movement in the U.S. was one headed by men, in reaction to expanding rights, freedom, and power for women--just as it is not a coincidence that today's anti-abortion movement, formed in opposition to rapid gains in women's rights during the 1960s and '70s"

Critical Women's Rights Theory has entered the chat.

#23 | Posted by snoofy at 2024-04-17 10:44 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#23 Yeah, it's also not a coiincidence that conservatives want to get rid of Women's Studies Programs.

#24 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2024-04-17 10:48 PM | Reply

"A number of Republicans in public and private support repealing it, then come in here and vote in the exact opposite way."

That's because Republicans are lying, opportunistic cowards.

Everybody knows that.

Especially when it comes to abortion -- Republicans have always been in the wrong.

#25 | Posted by snoofy at 2024-04-17 10:56 PM | Reply

@#23 ... Women's Rights Theory has entered the chat. ...

... and this is where we see the usual GOP supporters disappear.

But it is late this evening here on the East Coast.

So they may be going to bed. (as i dd a couple nights ago) ...
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drudge.com )



#26 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-04-17 11:00 PM | Reply

This is what too many MAGA Republicans think of women:

Trump-endorsed politician Jason Lewis: You've got a vast majority of young single women who couldn't explain to you what GDP means. You know what they care about? They care about abortion. They care about abortion and gay marriage. They care about 'The View.' They're non-thinking.

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How many Republican men have said outright stupid things about rape, pregnancy and abortion, for example? Too many.

#27 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2024-04-17 11:07 PM | Reply

"They're non-thinking."

This attitude is why so many MAGA voters didn't bat an eye when Trump referred to Haley as "bird brain."

#28 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2024-04-17 11:10 PM | Reply

"They care about abortion and gay marriage. They care about 'The View.' They're non-thinking."

Dehumanizing women starts with asserting how different women are from men.

That a biological male must be crazy in the head if he thinks he's a woman feeds directly into the sort of "Separate But Equal" minority status Republicans have created for women.

#29 | Posted by snoofy at 2024-04-17 11:48 PM | Reply

And the voters will happily vote these turds back into office in almost all cases.

#30 | Posted by Nixon at 2024-04-18 09:37 AM | Reply

And the voters will happily vote these turds back into office in almost all cases.
#30 | Posted by Nixon at 2024-04-18 09:37 AM

The "power of Christ" compels them.

#31 | Posted by redlightrobot at 2024-04-18 10:40 AM | Reply

Well, we get to see a new Whig party implode before our very eyes. I just hope Putin dies soon.

#32 | Posted by LegallyYourDead at 2024-04-18 11:09 PM | Reply

@#17 ... She said, "the man who wrote the law was married 4 times, one of his wives was 12 and 2 of his wives were 15."

Okay, it was a different century, but that's precisely the point. ...

Thanks for that summary of the 5 minute video.

So, the Arizona 1864 law was written by a man who seems to interested in his own sexual pleasure with pre-teens and teens.

Yes, quite the different time.

[understatement]


An advertisement from 1885, about 20 years after the Arizona abortion law was written...

www.brownstoner.com

So, should cocaine toothache drops als be available over the counter now?




#33 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-04-19 08:19 PM | Reply

To make Fetuses property of the State, it was necessary to make Women's Uteruses property of the State.

#MAGA.

#34 | Posted by snoofy at 2024-04-19 09:05 PM | Reply

"So, the Arizona 1864 law was written by a man who seems to interested in his own sexual pleasure with pre-teens and teens."

What a coincidence. The 2022 Supreme Court opinion was written by men interested in their own sexual pleasure with pre-teens and teens.

Gimme That Old Time Religion!

#35 | Posted by snoofy at 2024-04-19 09:12 PM | Reply

Bopefully Arizona women will vote rhose folks rhat women don't deserve rights out of office in Nov.

#36 | Posted by danni at 2024-04-20 08:40 PM | Reply

ANYONE who does not support women's rights is supporting this insanity.

Womens rights? Like supporting men to act like women to beat up on real women in sports?

You progressives have lost the right to say you "support women".

#37 | Posted by boaz at 2024-04-21 11:56 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

Boaz, which issue do you think is more important to women:

1. Reproductive Freedom
2. Trans issues

#38 | Posted by truthhurts at 2024-04-21 12:05 PM | Reply

"Like supporting men to act like women to beat up on real women in sports?"

Like supporting women who want abortion after they get raped by men acting like men.

#39 | Posted by snoofy at 2024-04-21 12:11 PM | Reply

You progressives have lost the right to say you "support women".
#37 | POSTED BY BOAZ

Other than keeping trans women out of women's sports, how else do you see yourself supporting women?

I don't see anything, at any time in history.

You're not interested in supporting women.

Your interest in trans women in sports has nothing to do with protecting women.

Your interest in trans sports is entirely because you don't think trans women should be permitted in society.

Finally, what business is it if yours? You say blacks have to solve their problems for themselves. Why is it different for women's sports, why do they need conservative men white knighting for them?

You don't have a dog in this fight, Boaz.

Tell us why you think your opinion should matter.

#40 | Posted by snoofy at 2024-04-21 12:20 PM | Reply

#37 | POSTED BY BOAZ

You a one trick pony, sporto.

Swallow it.

#41 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2024-04-21 07:02 PM | Reply

Keep it up, Republicans. Let your true selves be known throughout the land.

You're going to pay a huge price politically. Between Trump the criminal in chief, and the pro-Putin wing of your party, the anti-woman stances, and the plain fact that your kind are dying off, you have no longterm plan. Your party has no future.

#42 | Posted by cbob at 2024-04-21 07:29 PM | Reply

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