Drudge Retort: The Other Side of the News
Wednesday, July 17, 2024

Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu is actively sabotaging the possibility of any hostage deal, in order to prevent the collapse of his government, by introducing two new elements into the negotiations, sources told The Jerusalem Post.

More

Comments

Admin's note: Participants in this discussion must follow the site's moderation policy. Profanity will be filtered. Abusive conduct is not allowed.

Seems Natanyahu wrote off the hostages a long time ago. Get some back, don't get some others back, he seems to have been far more concerned about himself throughout. Another rampant narcissist with his hands on the levers of power, enabled by a mob of nasty loons.

#1 | Posted by Doc_Sarvis at 2024-07-17 08:37 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 4

Natanyahu wrote off the hostages before they were taken.

#2 | Posted by qcp at 2024-07-17 09:24 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 4

PM Netanyahu seems to have been trying to prolong the war (and his rule) for a good number of months now, to the point where he looks to be putting the good of himself over the good of Israel.

#3 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-07-17 11:44 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

Someone will probably be along shortly to conflate Hamas with ALL Palestinians, and claim that anyone critical of Netanyahu is anti-Semitic.

#4 | Posted by Whatsleft at 2024-07-17 01:39 PM | Reply

4

by design and on purpose, people have been conflating all republicans with the KKK and claim that anyone critical of President Obama was a racist.

You saw it a million times.

#5 | Posted by eberly at 2024-07-17 01:42 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

But of course...Likud is conservative. He hates Biden...
Biden questioned his personal little genocidal war.

#6 | Posted by earthmuse at 2024-07-17 02:04 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

^
Patently untrue

It's common knowledge not every republican is a racist, but at the same time acknowledge every racist is a ardent republican

You see, today's GOP will partner with anyone Even convicted conmen

#7 | Posted by ChiefTutMoses at 2024-07-17 02:07 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

#5

I know some do say that. I don't agree that ALL Republicans are bigots. But it's definitely a bigger problem within that party.

What DO Republicans actually stand for now? I can't even listen to any of them anymore without feeling like insincerity is just oozing out with every word.

#8 | Posted by Whatsleft at 2024-07-17 02:13 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

-I know some do say that. I don't agree that ALL Republicans are bigots.

That's not my point. My point is there is no avoiding that noise when real, adult, thinking Americans address meaningful issues.

That noise is unavoidable and has to be ignored and sometimes be shouted down.

#9 | Posted by eberly at 2024-07-17 02:19 PM | Reply

Does Netanyahu deserve the criticism he's getting?

absolutely. Should it be even worse? Yes...but it's not because people are afraid of being called an anti-semite.

#10 | Posted by eberly at 2024-07-17 02:21 PM | Reply

"I know some do say that. I don't agree that ALL Republicans are bigots. But it's definitely a bigger problem within that party."

Stop with all this nonsense.

Which party is the one stating that minorities are in desperate need of a white savior, otherwise they'll be slaves or something?

Which party is of the opinion that minorities are incapable of doing anything without that party's support.

Minority support for Trump has literally skyrocketed. I don't think anyone can say exactly why, but maybe because minorities aren't all dumb, and are sick or progressives treating like they are.

#11 | Posted by madbomber at 2024-07-17 03:26 PM | Reply

Netanyahu, or no Netanyahu...it doesn't really matter.

Wipe Hamas off the face of the planet.

"Someone will probably be along shortly to conflate Hamas with ALL Palestinians..."

That would be like conflating the German National Socialist Workers Party with all Germans. Unfair.

That said, Germany spent many years being cleansed of the National Socialist influence, much of it by law. The same should happen in Palestine. That's it's best hope to becoming a free, globally integrated country. Otherwise, it's an ISIS stronghold or an Iranian colony.

#12 | Posted by madbomber at 2024-07-17 03:30 PM | Reply

- the National Socialist influence

"Nazism (/ntsz'm, n ... t-/ NA(H)T-siz-'m), formally National Socialism (NS; German:

Nationalsozialismus, German: [natsionalzotsialsms] "), is the far-right totalitarian socio-political ideology and practices associated with Adolf Hitler and the Nazi Party (NSDAP) in Germany.

During Hitler's rise to power in 1930s Europe, it was frequently referred to as Hitler Facism (German: Hitlerfaschismus) and Hitlerism (German: Hitlerismus).

The later related term "neo-Nazism" is applied to other far-right groups with similar ideas which formed after the Second World War when the Third Reich collapsed.

Nazism is a form of fascism,[4][5][6][7] with disdain for liberal democracy and the parliamentary system. It incorporates a dictatorship,[3] fervent antisemitism, anti-communism, anti-Slavism,[8] anti-Romani sentiment, scientific racism, white supremacy, Nordicism, social Darwinism and the use of eugenics into its creed.

Its extreme nationalism originated in pan-Germanism and the ethno-nationalist Vlkisch movement which had been a prominent aspect of German ultranationalism since the late 19th century."

en.wikipedia.org

Just a reminder that 'National Socialism' was the formal propaganda name, not what it was called by most people at the time, and that it was in direct opposition to actual Socialism.

No matter how sometimes people like to pretend is was Socialism.

#13 | Posted by Corky at 2024-07-17 03:48 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"Just a reminder that 'National Socialism' was the formal propaganda name, not what it was called by most people at the time, and that it was in direct opposition to actual Socialism."

The National Socialist German Workers Party was the party that led Germany to ruin. For some weird reason, you seem to get your panties in a wad over socialism being portrayed in a bad light.

Sorry, bro. but Germany wasn't the only one.

There actually were never that many communist parties, despite the west referring to them as such. Albania, which was basically the North Korea of Europe had the official name of the "People's Socialist Republica of Albania." I go there a lot. My daughter is on a flight there right now. And if you were ever to visit Albania, you would learn that Enver Hoxha thought of himself not as a communist, but as a socialist. If you are interested, I can provide you with links to his manifestos.

What did the USSR stand for again?

Yugoslavia was comprised of six Socialist Republics and Two Autonomous Socialist Republics.

The Bavarian Soviet Republic was a short-lived socialist state in Germany. Herr Hitler served as an officer in said republic.

Maybe it's not everyone else who didn't understand socialism. Maybe they did. Maybe you don't.

In any case, what does this have to do with Israel or Hamas? If you prefer, I can use proper names for both.

#14 | Posted by madbomber at 2024-07-17 04:09 PM | Reply

14

It's just that you giggle out loud every time you write, 'National Socialism'... as if you are going to fool someone into thinking that it wasn't commonly known as, 'Hitler Fascism', and the it is actually Socialism.

When you know that any political historian will tell you that it is, "the far-right totalitarian socio-political ideology and practices associated with Adolf Hitler and the Nazi Party (NSDAP) in Germany.", definitely not Socialism.

#15 | Posted by Corky at 2024-07-17 04:36 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

-It's just that you giggle out loud every time you write, 'National Socialism'.

Admittingly, I laugh when he does it.

#16 | Posted by eberly at 2024-07-17 04:40 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#11 | POSTED BY MADBOMBER

Wow! I literally did the exact opposite of broad-brushing the Republicans. And then you come along and generalize about the entire other party. I haven't heard any of that come out of the Democrats in general. Nor have I heard it straight from the Republican Party. But the Republican Party is distinctly favored by white extremists.

"Stop with all this nonsense."

Check your mirror.

#17 | Posted by Whatsleft at 2024-07-17 05:27 PM | Reply

Which party is the one stating that minorities are in desperate need of a white savior, otherwise they'll be slaves or something?

Republicans.

Which party is of the opinion that minorities are incapable of doing anything without that party's support.

Again, that's being said of democrats, by republicans.

You're really this stupid. You should be embarrassed. But you're too dumb to comprehend what you're writing.

Minority support for Trump has literally skyrocketed.

Sky rocketed? Like, went up from single digits? Amazing!

I don't think anyone can say exactly why,

It's easy, Trump is a charismatic talker. If you just listen to his words and ignore reality, he's a very accomplished man.

Probably why you're such an enthusiastic fan.

maybe because minorities aren't all dumb,

So, prior to showing support for Trump, they were dumb?

Did you think out your xenophobia before you decided to share it?

are sick or progressives treating like they are.
#11 | POSTED BY MADBOMBER

Your xenophobic diatribe, reads like the ramblings of an out of touch deplorable Trumping MAGAt.

#18 | Posted by ClownShack at 2024-07-17 05:52 PM | Reply

The research paper linked below may be helpful.

Excerpt:

"Islamic State is a vicious opponent of Hamas and both groups have repeatedly spoken out against each other. Al-Qaeda, IS's global jihadist rival, has a distinct position vis--vis both Hamas and IS too, thus further complicating the picture."

Source: www.diis.dk

Regarding the Palestinians and al-Qaida, immediately below is a photograph of Yasser Arafat donating blood to American victims on 9/11:

www.worldpress.org

#19 | Posted by C0RI0LANUS at 2024-07-17 10:01 PM | Reply

"Sky rocketed? Like, went up from single digits? Amazing!"

I guess skyrocketed is a subjective term, but black men supporting Trump has gone from 12% in 2020 to 30% today. Support by black women has gone from 6% to 11%. This is higher than any Republican candidate since 1972.

#20 | Posted by madbomber at 2024-07-18 04:54 AM | Reply

"Your xenophobic diatribe, reads like the ramblings of an out of touch deplorable Trumping MAGAt."

Dude, I'm just reporting on reality. Maybe providing a bit of context.

#21 | Posted by madbomber at 2024-07-18 04:57 AM | Reply

__________
#19 | Posted by C0RI0LANUS at 2024-07-17 10:01 PM
Regarding the Palestinians and al-Qaida, immediately below is a photograph of Yasser Arafat donating blood to American victims on 9/11

Ah, the phony "sympathy" symbolism (in English) in the front, reality in the back, outside of camera view (in Arabic, less than a year after Arafat ordered the Second Intifada **):

slate.com - The PLO Rx: Give Blood, Threaten Cameramen, Call Me in the Morning - 2001, September 13

|------- ... the 1994 Nobel Peace Prize recipient's apparent reluctance to countermand a threat made by Arafat's Cabinet secretary, Ahmed Abdel Rahman, to a cameraman who on Sept. 11 filmed for the Associated Press Palestinians in Nablus celebrating the American carnage. According to the AP, Rahman told the AP's Jerusalem bureau that the Palestinian National Authority, of which Arafat is president, "cannot guarantee the life" of the cameraman if the footage airs.
-------|

Re actual symbolic "giving blood":
douglasstarr.com - Bad Blood: The 9/11 Blood Donation Disaster - New Republic, 2002-07-29 {PDF, 4pgs}

|------- ... Faced with an unprecedented turnout, the American Red Cross and other organizations overcollected so massively that they had to discard thousands of gallons of the perishable liquid. The donor crush caused a cascade of problems: Money was wasted; sub-par blood was collected; and other components, such as platelets, were neglected. Even worse was the general loss of faith in America's blood-collection system that produced a slump in donations from which we're still trying to recover. ...

... Dr. Jones reacted typically for a blood banker as the tragedy unfolded. "... We're not going to need any blood for this..." Nonetheless, he immediately dispatched 600 units of red cells to area hospitals, the bulk of which was never used. As the lines of donors snaked around the block, he put out an announcement: The center would only take blood from people with type O, "universal" donors; ... centers throughout the city began running short on supplies like blood bags and testing reagents. ...

... So powerful was the symbolic value of blood that other nations offered to give - a well-meaning gesture but something American health officials could never allow. India offered to send blood, even though its supplies are neither adequate nor safe. Wire services ran an unintentionally ludicrous photo of Yasir Arafat donating blood in Gaza ...
-------|

** www.cfr.org - Arafat and Second Intifada - January 4, 2013

|------- ... the role of Yasir Arafat in the second intifada, the violent Palestinian uprising that followed on the failure of Camp David in 2000. The PLO and Palestinian Authority (PA) have long denied that Arafat was behind the violence, instead calling the second intifada a spontaneous uprising. ...

Now there is an additional source: Arafat's widow, Suha. ...

The debate over Arafat's role should be over. Many Palestinian leaders have always understood it to be a phony, in any event. ... But meanwhile, there should be no doubt about the origin of the second intifada: it happened when Yasir Arafat decided that more violence was useful to him. That case is closed.
__________

#22 | Posted by CutiePie at 2024-07-18 05:42 AM | Reply

__________
... by introducing two new elements into the negotiations, sources told The Jerusalem Post.

"Sources" are from the opposing parties. It's been 2 months since Hamas was given the "final terms" of the "cease-fire agreement" that would free all hostages... and there was no real response, except Hamas, just like before keeps changing them and our State Dept keeps going along... Netanyahu even agreed to partial hostages release / exchange (there's that "introducing two new elements into the negotiations") yet... so far crickets from Hamas, while IDF is picking off some of their leaders...

From www.jpost.com - US: Hamas, Israel gaps in Gaza hostage talks are bridgeable
Matthew Miller asserted that a deal was still possible, and referenced the agreed-upon framework confirmed by US President Joe Biden on Friday.
- July 15, 2024

|------- Hamas initially indicated that the strike had halted the talks, and then zigzagged back to say that the negotiations could proceed, but the pace of the diplomacy around the negotiations has slowed down. ...

"We heard directly from two senior advisors to Prime Minister Netanyahu today... that Israel is still committed to reaching a ceasefire," Miller said. "Obviously, they want to protect their interests. ... but they do want to reach a ceasefire, and are committed to these to these negotiations," Miller said. ...

He defended Israeli military action in Gaza as well, noting that it was difficult for the IDF to reduce the Palestinian casualty count when Hamas fighters hide in schools, mosques, hospitals, and other civilian facilities. "It makes the challenge that Israel faces incredibly difficult," Miller said.
-------|

Let's not cherry-pick and blow out of proportion importance of useless bias-confirming headlines. That's how "Dark Brandon" (with his advisors' help) overestimated his debating skills and got himself in a pickle.
__________

#23 | Posted by CutiePie at 2024-07-18 06:15 AM | Reply

Talks of peace are pointless, this war will go on through January to await a ------- reelection.

The picture couldn't be clearer.

---- Republicans and ---- their voters

#24 | Posted by truthhurts at 2024-07-18 07:29 AM | Reply

Natanyahu wrote off the hostages before they were taken.

#2 | Posted by qcp at 2024-07-17 09:24 AM | Reply | Flag:

Nuttyahoo loves only Nuttyahoo.

His only goal is the complete eradication of the Palestinian state inside Israel. Call it what it is....genocide. Sad how a nation formed out of the most disgusting act of the NAZI regime has embraced the exact same goal as it's own.

#25 | Posted by Nixon at 2024-07-18 08:14 AM | Reply

"black men supporting Trump has gone from 12% in 2020 to 30% today. Support by black women has gone from 6% to 11%. This is higher than any Republican candidate since 1972."

If the above is true then I can now add another item to my list of things I've been wrong about.

Roe being tossed is on the list.

Now there is a second item.......that Trump (out of all republicans in the past 50 years) would generate that much support from black men and women.

#26 | Posted by eberly at 2024-07-18 09:16 AM | Reply

Comments are closed for this entry.

Home | Breaking News | Comments | User Blogs | Stats | Back Page | RSS Feed | RSS Spec | DMCA Compliance | Privacy | Copyright 2024 World Readable

Drudge Retort