The FBI needs to be disrupted

Tuesday, December 03, 2024

... The transformation of the FBI back into a J. Edgar Hoover-style domestic spy service with sweeping political ambition has been a long-developing story, obscured by a political anomaly. In the first phase of this nightmare, between 2001 and 2016, the post-9/11 Bureau used the pretext of an enhanced counterintelligence mandate to throw off some mild restraints that had been placed on it the last time it had to be slapped down, i.e. after the Church Committee hearings in the 1970s. The second phase of its transformation took place after the election of Donald Trump, when the Bureau remade itself on the fly as a kind of government-in-exile, empowered by an outpouring of public and media support to view itself as a counterweight to the Trump government.

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POSTED BY BELLRINGER

Fascist pig.

#1 | Posted by Zed at 2024-12-03 12:23 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Here's what will happen after the FBI is "disrupted". There will be a major and successful terrorist attack on the United States with mass casualties. After which Donald and Kash will disclaim all responsibility and loudly proclaim their genius.

#2 | Posted by Zed at 2024-12-03 12:25 PM | Reply

Look for dead pools regarding the month and day of that terrorist attack. Look for Donald to pull a George W. and state "no one could have imagined".

#3 | Posted by Zed at 2024-12-03 12:27 PM | Reply

Read the article, Zed. It traces the current problems to the Patriot act. Also, look to history, Zed. Google: the Church commission of you aren't already familiar with it.

#4 | Posted by BellRinger at 2024-12-03 12:34 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

10 seconds of reading this piece of ---- brought me the following observation:

Quote from pos:

"Each step moved the Bureau further away from the mission of developing evidence for court and more in the direction of gathering information for its own sake, while pursuing extrajudicial remedies to "contain" or "disrupt" undesirable "conduct." "

Wow, that sounds pretty darn bad, like damning, right.

BUT

What the quoted words are from is the following:

An email to field offices regarding counterterrorism (presumably directed at an ISIS like organization given the timeframe-subject IS redacted).

"4. Does the FBI have a strategy to disrupt any plans to commit acts of violence or other criminal conduct associated with the subject and terrorist organization?"

The author seemingly has a problem with the FBI attempting to disrupt terrorist violence in America, you know through investigations and arrests-that sort of thing.

Why did the author feel the need to completely misrepresent the intention of the FBI's statement?

#5 | Posted by truthhurts at 2024-12-03 12:36 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#4 | POSTED BY BELLRINGER

The Church Commission findings will have little value when the next American skyscraper comes down.

Your head is where your morals live, up your ass.

#6 | Posted by Zed at 2024-12-03 12:39 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 4

Some people forget that the FBI is world wide and protects US interests on the international stage.

#7 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2024-12-03 12:41 PM | Reply

"It traces the current problems to the Patriot act."

So ... NOW you are concerned about the Patriot Act signed into law by George Bush in 2001?

Yeah. Too late.

#8 | Posted by donnerboy at 2024-12-03 12:43 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

So ... NOW you are concerned about the Patriot Act signed into law by George Bush in 2001?

Yeah. Too late.

Posted by donnerboy at 2024-12-03 12:43 PM | Reply

Yeppers Jeff supported the Patriot Act enthusiastically. Too late to belly ache now.

#9 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2024-12-03 12:47 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

It's amazing to watch "progressives" be incurious staunch and vociferous defenders of an agency the likes of the FBI without a hint of skepticism toward any of its conduct. A complete reversal from the Bush years.

#10 | Posted by BellRinger at 2024-12-03 12:51 PM | Reply

Of course, it's one of Jeffy's favorite garbage sources.

It's amazing how quickly you've become a fan of government corruption and abuse.

#11 | Posted by jpw at 2024-12-03 12:54 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Bell, to many here, everything is a trap. Everything is suspicious and everything is skeptical.

And why not? There's no consequences for their skepticism to be later clearly described as an overreaction.

Repeated and obvious doomsday scenarios can always be used as a defense for someone's attitude.

If the author is being unfair to the FBI, and that's certainly worth pointing out, then so be it. It's all fair game.

I'm skeptical as well.

#12 | Posted by eberly at 2024-12-03 12:57 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

-Yeppers Jeff supported the Patriot Act enthusiastically.

So did you.

#13 | Posted by eberly at 2024-12-03 12:58 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

But literally, anybody, including kindergartners, can predict a terrorist attack on the ------- Internet

#14 | Posted by eberly at 2024-12-03 12:59 PM | Reply

Racket News, lol.

Matt Tiabbi is the equivalent to Seymour Hersh in journalism and Johnny Boy Turley in legal journalism.... people who can only make money by writing hot takes that push against what most writers are reporting, no matter what that is.

It's a profitable, if sadly dubious niche.

#15 | Posted by Corky at 2024-12-03 01:01 PM | Reply

Yeppers Jeff supported the Patriot Act enthusiastically.

So did you.

Posted by eberly at 2024-12-03 12:58 PM | Reply

No I did not. I was very vocal about being against it at the time.

#16 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2024-12-03 01:01 PM | Reply

-I was very vocal about being against it at the time.

Here?

#17 | Posted by eberly at 2024-12-03 01:05 PM | Reply

Yes here

#18 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2024-12-03 01:11 PM | Reply

But literally, anybody, including kindergartners, can predict a terrorist attack on the ------- Internet

#14 | POSTED BY EBERLY

This Pre-K foresees a major terrorist attach directly due to Donald's laziness and cupidity. But you're right. Anyone, anyone at all, can see the shopping basket running downhill and into traffic.

I'm sure that we'll have minute-to-minute replays of the new mass incineration on the anniversary date for the next decade.

I'm sure that Donald will find a way to monetize that.

#19 | Posted by Zed at 2024-12-03 01:11 PM | Reply

The one good thing is if Patel is confirmed lefties will care about civil liberties again, although it will mostly be pretend. See: JPW

#20 | Posted by BellRinger at 2024-12-03 01:14 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

lefties will care about civil liberties again

#20 | POSTED BY BELLRINGER

Something that will put us all at risk.

#21 | Posted by Zed at 2024-12-03 01:18 PM | Reply

For Eberly

web.archive.org

#22 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2024-12-03 01:20 PM | Reply

Laura, you joined 4 years after the patriot act was passed.

Conceding bell is Jeff (for this argument) then he probably joined same time.

4 years difference. Not "at the time"

#23 | Posted by eberly at 2024-12-03 01:47 PM | Reply

wow damn Laura! with the receipts!!!!!!!!!

#24 | Posted by truthhurts at 2024-12-03 01:47 PM | Reply

"This Pre-K foresees a major terrorist ... .."

Just like the last time trump was elected.

And the next republican ... ... ..

#25 | Posted by eberly at 2024-12-03 01:48 PM | Reply

Just like the last time trump was elected

#25 | POSTED BY EBERLY

Don't think that he actually managed to trash both the FBI and CIA last time.

It's what he needs and wants this time.

National security is never enhanced by unilateral disarmament.

When MAGA were still real Americans, they knew that.

#26 | Posted by Zed at 2024-12-03 01:56 PM | Reply

#20 you literally live in faux grievance opposite world and have the gall to say that?

#27 | Posted by jpw at 2024-12-03 02:11 PM | Reply

Ballwasher wears a dress. Just like J. Edgar.

#28 | Posted by LegallyYourDead at 2024-12-03 02:55 PM | Reply

" Something that will put us all at risk.

#21 | POSTED BY ZED AT 2024-12-03 01:18 PM | FLAG: "

False premise. The FBI doesn't need to run roughshod over us to keep the country safe.

#29 | Posted by BellRinger at 2024-12-03 03:52 PM | Reply

---- off you mewling skank.

#30 | Posted by LegallyYourDead at 2024-12-03 04:32 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

False premise.

#29 | POSTED BY BELLRINGER

Not at all.

Donald Trump loathes people and things that disagree with him.

Donald Trump acts on his loathing.

God, I hope you get caught up in the hell you're hoping to bring down.

#31 | Posted by Zed at 2024-12-03 05:00 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Only in dips%#* Trumper world is the FBI monitoring interference with our elections and investigating crimes committed by Trump considered "running rough shod" over anything.

#32 | Posted by jpw at 2024-12-03 07:14 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

JPW

This really isn't a partisan issue. I'm certainly not making it partisan.

#33 | Posted by BellRinger at 2024-12-03 10:57 PM | Reply | Funny: 2

The fbi needs to start rounding up Kremlin agents like Jeffry. He can share a prison cell with little Timmy Pool for all I care. Lock him up!

#34 | Posted by a_monson at 2024-12-04 01:44 AM | Reply

It's amazing how quickly you've become a fan of government corruption and abuse.

#11 | Posted by jpw at 2024-12-03 12:54 PM | Reply | Flag:

Jeff has ALWAYS been a fanboi of Trumps corruption, abuse and crimes.

#35 | Posted by Nixon at 2024-12-04 07:25 AM | Reply

Interestsing read.

book by Kash Patel (Trump's pick for FBI director)

Government Gangsters: The Deep State, the Truth, and the Battle for Our Democracy

#36 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2024-12-04 09:28 AM | Reply

What a riot.

Bill Johnson believes a guy who has lied about the 2020 election since day one, yet has never offered a scintilla of proof.

Birdbrains of a feather?

#37 | Posted by Danforth at 2024-12-04 09:51 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

This really isn't a partisan issue.

It's 100% a partisan issue.

One party wants to disband the largest law enforcement threat to their corruption based on said agency doing their job.

All because they're so in the bag for their boy they'd prefer corruption and abuse of power over stability and order.

#38 | Posted by jpw at 2024-12-04 11:01 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

" It's 100% a partisan issue."

I get that partisanship is attached to the FBI but that's not what I'm talking about nor is it what the writer of the linked article is talking about.

#39 | Posted by BellRinger at 2024-12-04 11:32 AM | Reply

The FBI would have a better reputation if they stopped giving bombs to people.

#40 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2024-12-04 11:56 AM | Reply

"that's not what I'm talking about"

You always talk about the same thing. You try to rearrange the words but it's always the same message.

#41 | Posted by Zed at 2024-12-04 12:30 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

"that's not what I'm talking about"

Really?

If it's not a partisan issue then why are we even talking about replacing the head of the FBI at all?

Christopher Wray's 10 year term of office is not up until 2027.

#42 | Posted by donnerboy at 2024-12-04 01:22 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Funny how democrats want to blame the Patriot act on Bush when Joe Biden not only supported it, but also took credit for writing most of it.