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Speaker Mike Johnson's torturous path to embracing Ukraine aid is the result of many factors: high-level intelligence briefings as a House leader, his faith, the counsel of three committee chairs named Mike, and a realization the GOP would never unite on Ukraine. This story is drawn from interviews with more than than a dozen lawmakers and staff, many of whom spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss Johnson's evolution.

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Good article about what may have caused Spkr Johnson to change his mind. Lots of good details.

One thing, though. The article notes...

... It is also a major rebuke to former president Donald Trump, who publicly backed Johnson at a recent Mar-a-Lago event but has long criticized Ukraine while repeatedly sympathizing with Russian President Vladimir Putin. ...

I'd like to see a similar article about how fmr Pres trump appears to have changed his mind on Ukraine.


#1 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-04-21 02:15 PM | Reply

"Look, history judges us for what we do," said an emotional Johnson, holding back tears and with a quivering lip at a news conference last week in response to a question from The Washington Post. "This is a critical time right now, critical time on the world stage. I could make a selfish decision and do something that's different, but I'm doing here what I believe to be the right thing."

Johnson's son will be headed to the U.S. Naval Academy in the fall. "To put it bluntly, I would rather send bullets to Ukraine, than American boys," he said. "This is a live-fire exercise for me and for so many American families."

He had never had a high-level intelligence briefing, had never met President Biden, Senate Majority Leader Charles E. Schumer (D-N.Y.) or Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.). He had no meaningful relationship with House Democratic Leader Hakeem Jeffries (N.Y.)

In a matter of moments, Johnson became second in line to the presidency. The day after he was elected speaker last October, he met with Biden and the three House national security panel chairs - Reps. Michael R. Turner (R-Ohio), Michael McCaul (R-Tex.) and Mike Rogers (R-Ala.) - who brought him to the White House for a worldwide threats briefing heavy on Ukraine. Former CIA director and ex-secretary of state Mike Pompeo became an informal adviser.

The new speaker heard from evangelical Christians in the United States and Ukraine about the persecution of Ukrainian Christians by Russia. Over the next months, the other congressional leaders twice brought him to the White House to meet with Biden, where he got an earful about the importance of this moment in history from the president, McConnell and Schumer.

It was eye opening.

One Republican House member recalls: "I'll never forget Johnson one time said, 'I've gone from representing my district only to representing the entire [House] and the country.' For someone to go from where he was to where he is now as quickly as he did ... is remarkable."

There's another thread tangential to this topic, but it doesn't flesh out how Johnson arrived at yesterday's vote with more intimate details and personal observations. Reading this story, in a word my answer would be "statesmanship." It appears that unlike Trump, Johnson is willing to take the word of our military and intelligence on its assessment and predictions regarding Ukraine. And in doing so, at least the base issue of supporting Ukraine stopped being political, it became a matter of national security - which, of course, it always has been.

#2 | Posted by tonyroma at 2024-04-21 02:23 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

@#2 ... in a word my answer would be "statesmanship." ...

I once saw a quote something along the lines of...

~A politician cares about the next election, a statesman cares about the next generation.~

It will be interesting to see how Spkr Johnson manages the House going forward.



#3 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-04-21 02:28 PM | Reply

Found the quote...

A politician thinks of the next election; a statesmen of the next generation. A politician looks for the success of his party; a statesman for that of his country. The statesman wishes to steer, while the politician is satisfied to drift.
- - - James Freeman Clarke

( www.forbes.com ) [note, I corrected a typo in the Forbes version of the quote]

#4 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-04-21 02:30 PM | Reply

Wonderful quote Lamplighter, thank you.

I may have to take back my word though after reading this:

Many Republicans dismissed what the intelligence showed or refused to attend briefings, causing alarmed Republicans to say that misinformation and Russian propaganda has seeped into the Republican Party. Evangelical Christians tried to bend Johnson's and his staff's ear, pointing to the influence of propaganda from the Russian Orthodox Church. Johnson met with Pavlo Unguryan, a Ukrainian evangelical leader, who had been pushing for U.S. support.

Johnson is a devout Southern Baptist and his faith "guides him in every major decision he makes," one Republican member said.

Johnson was given polling from the American Action Network, the policy arm of the Republican affiliated super PAC, that found a large majority of voters favor aid to Ukraine in battleground districts and that favoring Ukraine aid was not a principle deciding factor for Republican primary voters. The polling reassured Johnson there was little political risk to funding Ukraine, an important data point when working to persuade his GOP colleagues.

I wonder what percentage politicals had sway in Johnson's decision? Wonder if the following also resonated with Johnson:
A steady stream of European leaders and ministers have knocked on Johnson's door in recent months, telling the congressman from Louisiana that his place among global statesmen is assured if he got this done.

British Foreign Secretary David Cameron applied some debonair wit. Estonian Prime Minister Kaja Kallas, one of Ukraine's sharpest backers, told Johnson what it was like to live in a nation that borders Russia. Just last week, Czech Prime Minister Petr Fiala met with Johnson and told him that the world's eyes were on him.

"I really do believe the intel and in the briefings that we've gotten," Johnson said last week. "I believe [Chinese President] Xi [Jinping] and Vladimir Putin and Iran really are an axis of evil. I think they're in coordination.

If Trump reads this I wonder how long it'll be before he heel-turns on Johnson - or will he silently let things pass, tacitly acknowledging that Johnson had to do what he did?

#5 | Posted by tonyroma at 2024-04-21 02:46 PM | Reply

President Mickey... with "visions of sugar plums dancing in their heads".

#6 | Posted by Corky at 2024-04-21 02:54 PM | Reply

or will he silently let things pass, tacitly acknowledging that Johnson had to do what he did?

Lewzer does nothing silently. He will loudly proclaim it was his idea all along, and all the published texts and videos to the contrary are Fake News.

#7 | Posted by REDIAL at 2024-04-21 04:01 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 4

Forgot about that option. My brain was thinking about statesmanship for a moment, so forgive me.

Let me retune my TDS filters so it won't happen again.

#8 | Posted by tonyroma at 2024-04-21 05:17 PM | Reply | Funny: 2

I expect the CIA can be quite convincing, and 2+2=5 really I believe it oh god no...

#9 | Posted by fatboomboom

Almost as convincing as Putin, who is funding right wingers in democracies all over the world to bring down their own governments.

#10 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2024-04-21 07:53 PM | Reply

These right-wingers... are they in the room, now?
Are they your parents? You can tell me, I'm on your side.

#11 | Posted by fatboomboom
Their votes against ukraine aid and their support of putin's puppet's coup attempt make them easy to identify.

#12 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2024-04-21 08:07 PM | Reply

The guys a Flip Flopper.

There's no damn evolution here.

He's just a Flip Flopper.

#13 | Posted by snoofy at 2024-04-21 11:18 PM | Reply

@#13 ... He's just a Flip Flopper. ...

Based upon what I've read of its prior posts, I'd proffer that the alias is more of an intentional disrupter than a contributor.


#14 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-04-21 11:32 PM | Reply

The alias?

I'm talking about the Flip Flopper Speaker of the House, not some re-re Putin troll.

#15 | Posted by snoofy at 2024-04-21 11:34 PM | Reply

@#15 ... I'm talking about the Flip Flopper Speaker of the House, not some re-re Putin troll. ...

[rereading...]

Oops, I misread the post.

Apologies.

But yeah, the Flip Flopper Speaker of the House.

One concern I have, if it seemed to be this easy to change his mind to act like a statesman, then how easy will it be to change his mind to act like a MAGA cult memeber?


(thanks for the correction)

#16 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-04-21 11:48 PM | Reply

These right-wingers... are they in the room, now?
Are they your parents? You can tell me, I'm on your side.

#11 | POSTED BY FATBOOMBOOM

Is your handler in the room with you ?

Can you speak freely? You can tell us. We believe in free speech and while we might disagree with you and give you crap for what we perceive as nonsense but we won't throw you out the window when no one is looking.

#17 | Posted by donnerboy at 2024-04-22 11:50 AM | Reply

From indications of how Dem congressfolk will vote, it appears that Mikey's job as Speaker is safe from Madge and Flatulents. A failed vote to turn out Johnson could be the political end of MTG, and she or someone near to her recognizes this, so I'll wager no vote is held. Johnson can stay in place until early January when he will turn over the gavel to Hakeem Jeffries, the new Speaker of The House...

#18 | Posted by catdog at 2024-04-22 03:27 PM | Reply

A failed vote to turn out Johnson could be the political end of MTG, and she or someone near to her recognizes this, so I'll wager no vote is held.

Empty G introducing the resolution to vacate was just grandstanding. She said it was a "warning" not to allow a vote on Ukraine aid.

Now that he did, she's going to be "responsible" and "listen to her constituents".

#19 | Posted by REDIAL at 2024-04-22 03:51 PM | Reply

Now that he did, she's going to be "responsible" and "listen to her constituents".

I don't know what tea leaves you're reading, but the opposite appears to be the truth.

Marjorie Taylor Greene Calls On Mike Johnson To Resign Or Be Ousted

"Mike Johnson's leadership is over. He needs to do the right thing to resign and allow us to move forward in a controlled process," Greene said in an interview on Fox News' "Sunday Morning Futures" over the weekend. "If he doesn't do so, he will be vacated."

Greene also said she will file a "motion to vacate" against Johnson "regardless of what [he] decides to do."

"Mike Johnson's leadership is over. He needs to do the right thing to resign and allow us to move forward in a controlled process," Greene said in an interview on Fox News' "Sunday Morning Futures" over the weekend. "If he doesn't do so, he will be vacated."

Greene also said she will file a "motion to vacate" against Johnson "regardless of what [he] decides to do."

The House remains in recess all week so no motions can be called until the members return.

#20 | Posted by tonyroma at 2024-04-22 04:26 PM | Reply

The only time I expected to see Mike Johnson and evolution in the same sentence was him denying it.

#21 | Posted by mattm at 2024-04-22 04:38 PM | Reply

His accountability buddy said that even though it was an "evolution" and that is frowned upon by the church that it would be ok this one time. Ok maybe two two or three times but that's it.

#22 | Posted by donnerboy at 2024-04-22 05:01 PM | Reply

#20

Another Episode of, "Real Housewives of Georgia".

#23 | Posted by Corky at 2024-04-22 05:21 PM | Reply

I don't know what tea leaves you're reading

Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene says she will let her fellow House Republicans hear from their constituents before deciding whether to move forward with a vote to remove Speaker Mike Johnson. Greene made the remarks to a gaggle of reporters aired on CNN after the House passed four bills in a Saturday session. Greene listed several reasons why she believes Johnson should not be Speaker, but she also said she wants to be "responsible" and not call for Johnson's resignation before garnering enough support.
Mostly that.

#24 | Posted by REDIAL at 2024-04-22 06:33 PM | Reply

#24

I thing you're paragraph is related to remarks Saturday while still in the Capitol Building. Mine was from Sunday, and as yet I've seen no walkback or denial of the intentions she unambiguously stated.

#25 | Posted by tonyroma at 2024-04-22 07:12 PM | Reply

Many situations are not of a right wing or lftwing viewpoints. Many situations require any sane person to make the same decision. It is not a matter of left wing or right wing to stay on the curb until traffic clears. Similarly, if you are the SotH in the largest, strongest democracy in the world it is just basic common sense and self preservation to support a nominally democratic nation being invaded by a totalitarian fascist dictator who is an adversary constantly working to undermine our democracy. Unlike lunatics such as MTG and Gosar, SotH Johnson does not have the luxory of just walking into speeding traffic.

#26 | Posted by moder8 at 2024-04-22 07:47 PM | Reply

I thing you're paragraph is related to remarks Saturday while still in the Capitol Building.

Fair enough. She is back on the warpath for sure. I don' think she has any idea what she is doing. Probably never did. Other than being a shrieking Maenad.

#27 | Posted by REDIAL at 2024-04-22 07:57 PM | Reply

TONY

I'd like to believe your #5 about all the briefing Johnson received from domestic intel and world leaders being the game changer in Johnson's decision ~ except for the months it took for Johnson to reach this amazing epiphany right after he returned from Mar-a-Lago.

I don't doubt that he had all those briefings and was perhaps even swayed by them. But I don't think he had the nerve to bring the bill to the floor without first convincing Trump that, in the long run (meaning the 2024 election) he would gain a lot of votes by passing this very popular bill and, at the same time, deprive President Biden of a talking point.

Since then, I've noticed that Trump isn't throwing any stink bombs in Johnson's direction, like we'd normally expect if Johnson defied Trump's orders.

#28 | Posted by Twinpac at 2024-04-23 02:44 AM | Reply

#28

I think this article clearly states the most probable reasons for Johnson coming to the decision of bucking the Putinites from his Freedom Caucus and Trump's public statements critical of US aid to Ukraine, again insinuating Europe hasn't done enough.

I think the most relevatory part of this story was the fact that Johnson himself - prior to his lightning ascension to Speaker - had never met the President; never been in a high level intelligence briefing; never even met the other Congressional leaders from either party; and didn't know the truth that it's Russia who is persecuting Ukrainian Christians, not the other way around being propagated in the Russian disinformation being touted by MTG and other Putinites dominating the current GOP discourse.

Now, it's obvious that the polling of Republicans on Ukraine added the final steel to his spine, but to me, I think the two most important reasons he finally did what he did is because 1) He had the ephiphany as SPOH his role as 2nd in the line of succession comes with the caveat he has to place the entire nation's wellbeing as his guiding star, not simply the GOP or even a smaller subset thereof; and 2) His son is about to enter the Naval Academy, and if Ukraine fails in its quest to evict Russia from its lands, Russia will most certainly start other hot conflicts in the region that stand a very high probability of drawing US forces into a hot war as a part of NATO's defense.

IOW, some issues simply transcend partisan politics, especially issues regarding national security and world order. With all of Johnson's most important boxes checked (religion, personal interest, favored polling, national security, and global order) he did what any national leader should do given similar circumstances.

#29 | Posted by tonyroma at 2024-04-23 07:53 AM | Reply

His conversion isn't really about Ukraine. A lot of Israel funding was rolled into it.

#30 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2024-04-23 08:34 AM | Reply

#30

No, it wasn't. There were 3 separate bills: One for Ukraine, one for Israel and Gaza, and one for the Indo-Pacific.

Your assertion is wrong.

#31 | Posted by tonyroma at 2024-04-23 09:10 AM | Reply

It's right. It's all packaged together by design.

#32 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2024-04-23 11:05 AM | Reply

#32

Dude, YOU'RE WRONG. The votes were separate by design. Many GOP members voted for Israeli aid and against aid for Ukraine. Being for one didn't mean you had to be for the other. In Johnson's reoriented mind, all of the votes were directly related to his responsibility to protect America's defense and interest as the now 2nd in line of succession.

Stop while you're behind. You don't know what you're talking about.

#33 | Posted by tonyroma at 2024-04-23 11:36 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

And to be clear, some Democrats voted for Ukraine aid and voted against the Israeli/Palestinian package. So, no, all the funding was not "rolled into" the Ukraine bill. All of the bills stood or sunk on their own merit, wholly independent from each other.

#34 | Posted by tonyroma at 2024-04-23 11:49 AM | Reply

All of the bills stood or sunk on their own merit, wholly independent from each other.

I did read somewhere that all four bills were going to be combined when they went to the Senate.

#35 | Posted by REDIAL at 2024-04-23 11:51 AM | Reply

Yup. It's all 1 package, by design. Part of the compromise is being able to dissent, then you get a little lecture from somebody in your party like they're doing to AOC for dissenting on 1 bill, knowing it was going to pass anyways. All part of the show.

#36 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2024-04-23 11:54 AM | Reply

Want to get really cynical about it?

It was always going to pass in a bipartisan manner like all Ukraine and Israeli and Taiwan aid has before.

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#37 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2024-04-23 11:59 AM | Reply

I did read somewhere that all four bills were going to be combined when they went to the Senate.

In the Senate, but not the House which is what I've always been referring to>

The House on Saturday passed four bills in a $95 billion foreign aid package brought by House Speaker Mike Johnson (R-La.) in defiance of the right flank of his party. They include a measure that could force TikTok to cut ties with its parent company or face a nationwide ban, $8.1 billion in funding to the Indo-Pacific region to counter China, $60 billion in aid to Ukraine and $17 billion in offensive and defensive weapons for Israel, paired with just over $9 billion in humanitarian aid for Gaza and elsewhere.

A simple majority - 216 if all vote - was needed to pass each bill.

Various sanctions, including a TikTok ban: 360 votes for, 58 against, 13 not voting
Supporting allies in the Indo-Pacific: 385 votes for, 34 against, 11 not voting, 1 Present
About $60 billion in Ukraine aid: 311 votes for, 112 against, 7 not voting, 1 Present
Weapons for Israel and humanitarian aid for Gaza: 366 votes for, 58 against, 7 did not vote

www.washingtonpost.com

Four different unrelated bills, four different votes and vote totals, voted upon in sequence during one House session.

No Democrat was chastised by anyone in leadership for their votes. And that's completely unrelated to what Johnson did, which again is the lone point of my disagreement with you. The Putinites didn't want Johnson to allow the Ukraine aid to receive a vote, PERIOD. There was no compromise with them, but they were thrown a bone by incorporating the Tik Tok bill in with the others to placate one right wing concern. However, there are still Republicans claiming that Johnson is a dead man walking once the House goes back into session and that they will force a vote for the vacating of his Speakership.

Your assertion that Johnson's evolution was tied simply to Israeli aid - or the other bills - only shows that you've not read any of the first hand accounts noted in this thread's article annoting his evolution on his understanding of the US' strategic national security needs tied to far more than just Ukraine and Israel alone.

#38 | Posted by tonyroma at 2024-04-23 12:34 PM | Reply

In the Senate

Yes. Probably to speed up the process.

#41 | Posted by REDIAL at 2024-04-23 01:04 PM | Reply

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