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Thursday, April 25, 2024

Even the normally arch-conservative USCCB argued that the "Catholic Church, consistent with western tradition, has long taught that the homeless are to be helped, not punished." Who could possibly be on the other side of the issue? Well, that would be Gospel Rescue Mission, the ministry that controls the discriminatory shelter in Grants Pass.

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More: GRM is a Christian ministry that requires all residents to work for them without pay for "six hours a day, six days a week in exchange for a bunk for 30 days." They also cannot look for outside work during that month. That's not all though. They must also attend church every Sunday (from a pre-approved list); Unitarian services are not acceptable. And they have to attend a chapel service twice a day. And they can't smoke or drink. And they can't have sex during their stay.

What if you're disabled or have medical or mental health problems that prevent you from attending church? What if you aren't Christian? What if you just don't want to participate in the religious activities? Too bad. You can't stay at their shelter.

That's why the plaintiffs argued they had no realistic options in the city.

In their brief supporting the city, they argued that the city's inability to punish the homeless (because of earlier court decisions) "has significantly decreased the number of people who access the Mission's services," as if that's a bad thing.

Municipal public safety laws are a crucial tool in helping the homeless take advantage of available safe shelter resources. Taking away cities' power to enforce those laws, as the Ninth Circuit has done here, does not benefit the homeless as that court evidently hoped. Instead, it has only hindered the efforts of those in Grants Pass who devote each day to bettering the lives of those facing homelessness.

They're calling for the city to fine and jail the homeless in the hopes that they become the only alternative for anyone seeking to avoid punishment. When you see yourself as the antidote, you start to root for poison.

It's telling that there's literally zero mention of "God" anywhere in the brief"which is rather unusual for a Christian group making an argument to the Supreme Court. Especially this Supreme Court. The argument isn't a religious one because how could it be? The ministry says they have beds available, but for various reasons, many of them are going unused. They must know how bad it would look to justify the cruelty against the homeless using the language of faith. Yet they seem blissfully unaware of how their own religious restrictions may play a significant role in why people with no other options still don't want to ask them for help.

It also raises additional questions, as Nye writes:

It may be well-intentioned, but GRM's plea raises serious legal and theological questions. If the Rescue Mission"the only option in town"can shelter just 138 people, how can the government criminalize all 1,200 people experiencing homelessness in the city? Do Christian organizations have a theological mandate, or even a justification, for forcing religious programming in exchange for shelter and care? Can the government compel homeless people to stay at a shelter that has strict religious requirements without infringing further on their constitutional rights?

The Christian shelter isn't, and cannot be, the city's only viable option here. The long-term solutions have to involve mental health care, addiction specialists, affordable housing, and secular shelters, not just banishing people from the city. But right now, the city isn't giving homeless people secular, safe places to stay. Instead, Grants Pass is arguing that the options provided are more than enough and the only alternative is to further punish people who are already struggling to survive, making it that much harder for them to get back up on their feet.

It's completely insane logic. And the one Christian ministry directly involved in the case is going all in on the side of More Cruelty.

#1 | Posted by qcp at 2024-04-25 10:01 AM | Reply

"requires all residents to work for them without pay"

That should be illegal.

#2 | Posted by snoofy at 2024-04-25 10:08 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

I don't think requiring work in exchange for a bed is all that bad unless it's not a fair exchange. It's all the other ridiculous restrictions that are over the line, IMO.

But the troubling part of this is this.........why is this ministry the only option in this town?

If the city doesn't like it then do something about it instead of relying on this ministry to do it.

#3 | Posted by eberly at 2024-04-25 10:12 AM | Reply

"I don't think requiring work in exchange for a bed is all that bad unless it's not a fair exchange."

It's bad.

It's also bad that you think it might not be bad.

Someone with nothing is in no position to negotiate a fair exchange.

#4 | Posted by snoofy at 2024-04-25 10:17 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"But the troubling part of this is this.........why is this ministry the only option in this town"

Well, sleeping outside is another option.

The ministry would like to criminalize that.

Maybe you'd like to choose sides?

#5 | Posted by snoofy at 2024-04-25 10:20 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

-Maybe you'd like to choose sides?

I'll take the side where nobody gives Snoofythemooch anything.

sleep wherever the hell you want, mooch.

-If the Rescue Mission"the only option in town"can shelter just 138 people, how can the government criminalize all 1,200 people experiencing homelessness in the city?

They cannot. Even if this shelter had 1,200 beds.

#6 | Posted by eberly at 2024-04-25 10:24 AM | Reply

-It's also bad that you think it might not be bad.

no it isn't.

You don't think it's bad to requiring someone to work in a kitchen for a meal they get or do the laundry for a bed you're sleeping in. Neither does anybody else. Stop lying and pretending you think it's bad.

It's how a lot of ministries work, moron.

You wouldn't know...you spend all your time criticizing people who actually roll up their sleeves and try to help.

#7 | Posted by eberly at 2024-04-25 10:26 AM | Reply

If you want to make homelessness illegal then you may as well make mental illness illegal.

#8 | Posted by Zed at 2024-04-25 10:28 AM | Reply

"sleep wherever the hell you want"

That's actually what this case is about.

They're saying no, you can't do that.

#9 | Posted by snoofy at 2024-04-25 10:29 AM | Reply

-They're saying no, you can't do that.

I know, dumbdumb. I addressed that.....

"It's all the other ridiculous restrictions that are over the line, IMO."

I know you read everything I write over and over and savor it....why pretend you missed that part? We both know that's not true.

You're a moron of epic proportion, but you CAN read.

#10 | Posted by eberly at 2024-04-25 10:31 AM | Reply

"You don't think it's bad to requiring someone to work in a kitchen for a meal they get or do the laundry for a bed you're sleeping in."

Yeah I do. I think that's a ridiculous way to try to staff an actual business, and you do too.

Your boss wouldn't say, we hired some new insurance salesman, they won't get paid but we are letting them sleep in the break room after hours. By the way you're one of them, you won't be getting paid any more but you can use this blanket while you're staying here.

#11 | Posted by snoofy at 2024-04-25 10:31 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

-I think that's a ridiculous way to try to staff an actual business, and you do too.

It's a way homeless shelters and other ministries help people.

but you've never bothered to be an actual liberal who cares about other people.

you just pretend you're one on the internet.

#12 | Posted by eberly at 2024-04-25 10:33 AM | Reply

"criticizing people who actually roll up their sleeves and try to help."

When you have to rely on labor from the homeless for your business model to work, you're not in the business of helping end homelessless.

You're in the business of exploiting the homeless.

#13 | Posted by snoofy at 2024-04-25 10:34 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"It's a way homeless shelters and other ministries help people."

Hahaha!

Scrooge-"Are there no prisons?"
"Plenty of prisons..."
Scrooge-"And the Union workhouses." . "Are they still in operation?"
"Both very busy, sir..."
"Those who are badly off must go there."
"Many can't go there; and many would rather die."
Scrooge- "If they would rather die," "they had better do it, and decrease the surplus population."

#14 | Posted by snoofy at 2024-04-25 10:35 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

-When you have to rely on labor from the homeless for your business model to work, you're not in the business of helping end homelessless.

That may very well be the case with this specific organization in Oregon.

But shelters everywhere do this. That IS what they rely on, among other forms of support.

#15 | Posted by eberly at 2024-04-25 10:37 AM | Reply

"Hahaha!"

How in the hell would you know otherwise?

BTW, you're the scrooge in this story. You're the ignorant shut-in who lacks empathy or concern.

You realize that, right?

#16 | Posted by eberly at 2024-04-25 10:38 AM | Reply

"rely on labor from the homeless for your business model to work"

You are so moronic that you believe homeless shelters everywhere in this country are for-profit corporations.

Are there some shysters and are there people who truly exploit such as the organization featured in this story? absolutely.

Take my advice.....stop judging your fellow man when they are rolling up their sleeves to help the unfortunate.

You don't know this but you could. You could get out of your hovel and find these places and see how they operate. they would gladly let you donate your time to help.

But you're not going to do this. Better to judge them from afar and pretend you know something/anything about them.

You're nothing but a fake poser....a fake internet liberal.

#17 | Posted by eberly at 2024-04-25 10:43 AM | Reply

"You are so moronic that you believe homeless shelters everywhere in this country are for-profit corporations."

Hahaha!!!

If there was money to be made in homeless shelters, there wouldn't be any homeless people.

#18 | Posted by snoofy at 2024-04-25 12:52 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Grant's Pass? Bwahaha. They probably have A homeless person.

#19 | Posted by LegallyYourDead at 2024-04-25 01:30 PM | Reply

Grant's Pass? Bwahaha.

Nice area. Did the Klan ever move out?

#20 | Posted by REDIAL at 2024-04-25 02:03 PM | Reply

Doubtful.

#21 | Posted by LegallyYourDead at 2024-04-25 05:06 PM | Reply

Grants Pass - heart of the State of Jefferson.

#22 | Posted by YAV at 2024-04-25 10:28 PM | Reply

Stupid idea because most of the crazies on the street won't make suitable slave labor.

#23 | Posted by RightisTrite at 2024-04-26 01:30 AM | Reply

Christianity is a joke,
worshiping a 2000+ year old
God who is (not only a myth)
but essentially also a
Deadbeat Dad...never shows
up to 'talk or visit with his
children'.

So glad I left the lies of Catholicism
at age 14 and never looked back.
One of the best decisions I ever
made.

#24 | Posted by earthmuse at 2024-04-26 06:41 AM | Reply

#24
Yeah, but it sounds like you do look back, at least occasionally. Don't we all? The fables of our youths may be discarded over time, often with anger, yet their impact (possibly even trauma) lives on, even though diminished. Mileage may differ, of course.

#25 | Posted by Doc_Sarvis at 2024-04-26 07:52 AM | Reply

You look back for context, to know where you came from,
and sometimes in longing for times past and gone. But
one should never dwell or become fixated on the past.
It's gone, and Arrow of Time only points in one direction
(in at least so far as we can prove).

#26 | Posted by earthmuse at 2024-04-26 01:08 PM | Reply

"right to work state" priorities in action.

#27 | Posted by redlightrobot at 2024-04-27 02:51 PM | Reply

And guess what?

They're going to.

#28 | Posted by tres_flechas at 2024-04-27 07:51 PM | Reply

The homeless industrial complex is alive and well in the US, #18.

There is billions of dollars in the overhead of non-profits" that would go away with homeless people if anyone raised a finger.

#29 | Posted by tres_flechas at 2024-04-27 07:53 PM | Reply

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