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Wednesday, December 04, 2024

Edith Olmsted: The heads of government efficiency want to try a plan that has already been tested and rejected.

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If anyone was worried that Musk and Ramaswamy would move unilaterally as unelected bureaucrats making sweeping decisions on behalf of the electorate, you can calm your fears: Apparently they're seeding ideas from polls on X.

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"Looks like the people want to abolish the annoying time changes!" Musk posted on X last week, in response to a poll by X user James Stephenson that found nearly 82 percent of fewer than 38,000 X users would "abolish" the system of changing the clocks forward in the spring and backward in the fall."

It's not clear that the two have seriously considered ending the practice of changing the clocks, but Musk reiterated his intention to "end the semi-annual time changes" in a follow-up post on X.

The U.S. already tried to permanently change to daylight savings time in 1974"a briefly popular decision to manage fuel consumption that ended in disaster as reports rolled in of children being killed by cars as they waited to be picked up by school buses in the dark."

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"For the children!" - Nullifidian, circa 2005

#1 | Posted by Corky at 2024-12-03 08:34 PM | Reply

If they want permanent Standard (real) Time, I am totally on board with this.

If they want permanent (fake) DST, they should rot in Hell for all eternity.

That said, it does seem to be an odd thing for a major lobbyist group to take on.

#2 | Posted by REDIAL at 2024-12-03 08:55 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Muskrat will simply block out the sun, a la Mr. Burns.

You ------- idiots voted for cartoons.

#3 | Posted by LegallyYourDead at 2024-12-04 01:10 AM | Reply

How does that add to government efficiency in any way?

#4 | Posted by Nixon at 2024-12-04 07:21 AM | Reply

#2, Exactly.

DST is an anachronism and should be abolished. They did it wrong in the 70s, if they had stuck with standard time it would have worked.

#5 | Posted by qcp at 2024-12-04 08:49 AM | Reply

I am for permanent DST.
Children waiting in the dark at a bus stop is easily solved, start school later, along with everything else.
Regular time only became 'settled' with the onset of artificial lighting allowing people to be out and about in the dark.
I am sure that settling this will save DOGE a 1/2 trillion or so. (Snark)

#6 | Posted by mattm at 2024-12-04 08:58 AM | Reply

Isn't the option to use or not use DST up to the states?


Why do Republicans think that abortion should be left up to the states, but DST should not?

#7 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-12-04 12:18 PM | Reply

Idaho voted to allow the upper portion of the state to remain on DST and match time with the southern portion of the state, but it cannot go in effect until congress allows states to choose to remain on DST. At this time states can only choose to remain on standard time...

#8 | Posted by justagirl_idaho at 2024-12-04 01:18 PM | Reply

@#8 ... At this time states can only choose to remain on standard time... ...

Thanks for that clarification.

Back in the early- mid-1970's when the DST was extended to be year-round, I was in Louisville, KY.

When the switch to year-round DST occurred, Louisville's county (Jefferson County) decided to switch from Eastern-time-based DST to Central-time-based DST. That made things interesting because within a few mile radius there was CT-DST, ET-DST and just across the Ohio River in Indiana a county that was year-round CST.

Where I worked drew workers from all those areas. I asked them how do they manage. The common answer, they had multiple clocks on the wall in the kitchen, one for each time.


#9 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-12-04 01:30 PM | Reply

#9 -- That sounds awful. This should be a state issue, not by county, and congress should get out of the way on it.

#10 | Posted by justagirl_idaho at 2024-12-04 02:05 PM | Reply

Doesn't it substantially affect interstate commerce? If so doesn't the constitution allow congress to regulate it?

#11 | Posted by TenMile at 2024-12-04 03:14 PM | Reply

How does that add to government efficiency in any way?

#4 | Posted by Nixon at 2024-12-04 07:21 AM | Reply

It doesn't. The story was written simply to discredit them like any of the other Trump picks. Amazing that the Dems are so against getting rid of government waste and fraud. Actually no since they created it.

#12 | Posted by fishpaw at 2024-12-04 03:22 PM | Reply

@#12 ... The story was written simply to discredit them ...

Discredit them? How so?

Was it not something suggested by Mr Mush?

From the cited article...

... Musk reiterated his intention to "end the semi-annual time changes" in a follow-up post on X. ...


#13 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-12-04 03:41 PM | Reply

Hawaii and Arizona just don't care.

#14 | Posted by LegallyYourDead at 2024-12-04 06:15 PM | Reply

#11 | Posted by TenMile ---- Ask Arizona. If it was a problem they would know by now.

#15 | Posted by justagirl_idaho at 2024-12-04 06:52 PM | Reply

I don't know what they gotta do, but they need to figure out how to make sunrise at 5:30 AM and sunset around 10:30 PM.

Possibly a series of mirrors in space to reflect light when the planet has turned away from the sun.

Make it happen!

#16 | Posted by ClownShack at 2024-12-04 07:04 PM | Reply

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The heads of government efficiency want to try a plan that has already been tested and rejected.

It's not pointless. Maybe "tested" but not "rejected" - the real issue about the "permanent" time is not whether to do it, but how - settle on "standard time" or set it to DST.

There are pros and cons for each, from ag industry to ed and med industries, so the decision will affect enough people to complain... for a while, until most adjust and will think nothing of it, but previous failure and quick reversal led to half-measures like extending DST for more "sunlight":

US Congress tried to settle on "permanent" DST in December of 1973, for an experimental period of 2 years - to see if it would really save energy - but reinstated biannual time change just 8 months later, because people hated dark mornings. Vox populi vox Dei! So instead, DST was expanded to 7 months in 1986, and to 8 months in 2007, from March to November - the usual rationale being to "stretch the daylight" as far as possible without having the negatives of late sunrises in the winter.

www.npr.org - Changing our clocks is a health hazard. Just ask a sleep doctor - NPR, March 2023

|------- Senator Marco Rubio (R-Fla.), who has introduced the Sunshine Protection Act of 2023, says the ritual of changing our clocks twice a year "makes no sense," and is "stupid." He's joined by a bipartisan group of senators including Ron Wyden (D-Ore) and Edward Markey (D-Mass).

The Senate unanimously passed a similar measure in 2022, but it did not get enough support in the House of Representatives. ... The key argument is, more light in the evening can prompt people to go out and spend more money at shops and restaurants.

... Many doctors and scientists agree it's time to stop the twice a year time change, but they oppose legislation that would make daylight saving time permanent. Instead, the American Academy of Sleep Medicine and the American Medical Association both favor permanent standard time, which preserves morning light.
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This may have better chance now that Musk-Rama-Don mafia can take credit for "doing something" quickly and "efficiently" - it's a low-hanging fruit for Elon-Vivek / "government efficiency commission" to try and take credit for ephemeral "$$ savings" by flipping a coin and getting an early "win" by recommending one or the other.

Hey, look what we've done! Veni, vidi, vici!

www.theweathernetwork.com - Five ways life would be better if it were always daylight saving - pro-DST arguments

www.theweathernetwork.com - Why sleep experts say it's time to ditch DST - pro-standard time arguments
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#17 | Posted by CutiePie at 2024-12-05 06:33 PM | Reply

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