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Many farmers made investments based on Agriculture Department funding that the Trump administration has put on hold. Some are in financial peril.

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With multiple tariffs looming, farmers who support Trump grow nervous www.washingtonpost.com/business/202 ...

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... On his first day of office, President Donald Trump issued an executive order that paused the disbursement of all funds linked to former President Joe Biden's Inflation Reduction Act, which included $19.5 billion in agriculture-related conservation programs. The Trump administration also froze funds related to a separate $3.1 billion investment in "climate-smart" farm projects made under Biden.

The frozen funding was set to support projects including rotational grazing systems to improve soil health, waterways to reduce erosion, the installation of solar panels, and conversion from diesel to electric irrigation systems. Thousands of farmers have made plans and investments based on the promised funding, leaving some in financial peril, according to several groups that support farmers. ...


#1 | Posted by LampLighter at 2025-02-22 12:31 PM | Reply

Republican lawmakers no show as western Wisconsin farmers complain of Trump chaos, disruption

Seven western Wisconsin Republican lawmakers did not appear at an event hosted by the Wisconsin Farmers Union in Chippewa Falls Friday as farmers from the area said they were concerned about the effect that President Donald Trump's first month in office is having on their livelihoods."

wisconsinexaminer.com

#2 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2025-02-22 12:46 PM | Reply

@#2 ... Seven western Wisconsin Republican lawmakers did not appear at an event hosted by the Wisconsin Farmers Union ...

The actions of those Republican lawmakers seem to show they are loyal to Pres Trump, and not to the Constitution and their constituents


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#3 | Posted by LampLighter at 2025-02-22 01:01 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

They won't be able to scramble eggs before too long.

#4 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2025-02-22 01:10 PM | Reply

@#4

As I have noted previously, it will take a while before the effects of these Trump actions trickle down to the voters.

For example, Midwest farmers import about 80% of their fertilizer (potash) from Canada.

How might tariffs affect the price the farmers have to pay for fertilizer, and how will that extra cost show up locally in the supermarkets?

Tariff Threats and US Fertilizer Imports
farmdocdaily.illinois.edu

... Today's article examines imports of fertilizer products used to supply the main crop macronutrients of nitrogen (N), phosphorus (P), and potassium (K). The US relies on imports for a relatively small share of its consumption of N and P fertilizers, but is heavily reliant on imports of K fertilizers (see farmdoc daily, March 17, 2022). ...

fwiw, "K" is the chemical symbol of, you guessed it, potassium.

What is Potash?
www.cropnutrition.com

... Fertilizer potassium is sometimes called "potash," a term that comes from an early production technique where potassium was leached from wood ashes and concentrated by evaporating the leachate in large iron pots ("pot-ash"). This practice is no longer practical and is not environmentally sustainable. In food production, potassium is removed from the soil in harvested crops and must be replaced in order to maintain future crop growth. ...


#5 | Posted by LampLighter at 2025-02-22 08:01 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Farmers hit by a federal funding freeze scramble

Hey Trump loving farmers! How do you like me now?

--- DJT

#6 | Posted by FedUpWithPols at 2025-02-23 01:38 PM | Reply

---- off MAGAT scum

#7 | Posted by LegallyYourDead at 2025-02-24 12:17 AM | Reply

Yep--those Trump signs by the road next to the corn or soybean fields of so many sucker voters now signify that a loser used to own the farm passersby are looking at, and now they just work there on behalf of some bank or farm credit bureau. Until the next crop comes in, and then...

#8 | Posted by catdog at 2025-02-24 09:44 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Let them go bankrupt.

FAFO.

Don't spend another dime helping the idiots.

#9 | Posted by Sycophant at 2025-02-24 10:01 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Tough s(*&, idiots. You get what you vote for.

#10 | Posted by jpw at 2025-02-24 10:13 AM | Reply

This is all by design. A replay of 80s farm economics, remember who was in control then? What will happen is they will be forced to sell off their farms to major corporations. That will be more sour grapes they will blame Democrats for even though it has been Democrats who kept their subsidies while the GOP tried to repeatedly cut or eliminate them. I genuinely don't understand farmers and I grew up among them.

#11 | Posted by GalaxiePete at 2025-02-24 02:38 PM | Reply

This is what happens when your farm depends on welfare.

#12 | Posted by lfthndthrds at 2025-02-24 05:33 PM | Reply

This is what happens when Trump ruins the soybean market by having a trade war with China, then he had to bail out all the farmers so they wouldn't vote for Biden.

You know, BUYING VOTES with "free stuff" you -------- always shriek about.

#13 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2025-02-24 05:38 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

@#12 ... This is what happens when your farm depends on welfare. ...

How do farmers depend upon welfare?

Wouldn't an increase in the price of fertilizer affect all farmers?

And wouldn't those farmers then pass that cost increase to those they sell their products to, eventually reaching consumers?

#14 | Posted by LampLighter at 2025-02-24 07:00 PM | Reply

How do farmers depend upon welfare?
~Gaslighter

By taking government subsidies. They all have the option of growing their crops and bringing them to market on their own. Anything else I can help you with before you post some Milli Vanilli song?

#15 | Posted by lfthndthrds at 2025-02-24 09:42 PM | Reply

"How do farmers depend upon welfare?"

Farm Bill, directly.
EBT and SNAP, indirectly.

#16 | Posted by snoofy at 2025-02-24 09:44 PM | Reply

Ethanol subsidies, is another wasteful way we prop up farmers. Sugar tariffs. There's plenty.

#17 | Posted by snoofy at 2025-02-24 09:45 PM | Reply

Look at Snoofy giving props to Trump!

#18 | Posted by lfthndthrds at 2025-02-24 09:47 PM | Reply

@#15 ... By taking government subsidies. ...

So, your current alias thinks that farm subsidies are A Bad Thing?

#19 | Posted by LampLighter at 2025-02-24 09:50 PM | Reply

@#18 ... Look at Snoofy giving props to Trump! ...

Not really. More like giving an opinion that can be substantiated, and provoking discussion.


#20 | Posted by LampLighter at 2025-02-24 09:55 PM | Reply

So, your current alias thinks that farm subsidies are A Bad Thing?

#19 | Posted by LampLighter at 2025-02-24 09:50 PM | Reply | Flag

Yes. They're farmers. They plant crops and sell them for a profit. The government has no more business bribing them than it has bribing anyone else. The government needs to get out of the way and let the market demand the needs.

#21 | Posted by lfthndthrds at 2025-02-24 09:55 PM | Reply

Farm subsidies are socialism.

#22 | Posted by ClownShack at 2025-02-24 09:55 PM | Reply

@#17 ... is another wasteful way we prop up farmers ...

How is it wasteful?

#23 | Posted by LampLighter at 2025-02-24 09:56 PM | Reply

Trump has nothing to do with it, not that you're capable of having a though that doesn't include Trump.

Ethanol subsidies and sugar tariffs existed long before Trump. As for whether they're good or bad, that's somewhat beside the point. The right question to ask is, what happens when you make changes to these programs.

But, this is not the kind of question Deplorables ask. Who needs to investigate what might happen, when you have, as Boaz puts it, "Common Sense." Mao had some Common Sense policies that did wonders for Chinese agriculture.

#24 | Posted by snoofy at 2025-02-24 09:56 PM | Reply

Not really. More like giving an opinion that can be substantiated, and provoking discussion.

#20 | Posted by LampLighter at 2025-02-24 09:55 PM | Reply | Flag:

That's essentially what Snoofy did. Argue or not. Gave Trump props for curtailing subsidies.

#25 | Posted by lfthndthrds at 2025-02-24 09:57 PM | Reply

~Trump has nothing to do with it

He does now. Not that you're capable of having an honest discussion about it.

#26 | Posted by lfthndthrds at 2025-02-24 09:58 PM | Reply

Taking a step back and looking at the larger picture...

Let's say all the ~welfare~ given to farmers is terminated.

Who will be affected?

#27 | Posted by LampLighter at 2025-02-24 09:58 PM | Reply

"The government needs to get out of the way and let the market demand the needs."

If we did that, we would never have Cable TV.

You are incapable of learning that you are incapable of learning.

#28 | Posted by snoofy at 2025-02-24 10:00 PM | Reply

~ Mao had some Common Sense policies that did wonders for Chinese agriculture.

China has some of the --------- soil in the world. In order to grow anything they have to import petroleum-based fertilizer or buy our old fertilizer plants that have been condemned by the EPA.. Not a good example, as they import a lot of food to feed them.

#29 | Posted by lfthndthrds at 2025-02-24 10:01 PM | Reply

If we did that, we would never have Cable TV.

You are incapable of learning that you are incapable of learning.

#28 | Posted by snoofy at 2025-02-24 10:00 PM | Reply | Flag:

There's this thing called wireless internet... I don't need cable, nor have I had cable in the last 8 -9 years.

#30 | Posted by lfthndthrds at 2025-02-24 10:02 PM | Reply

"Trump has nothing to do with it"

"He does now."

Trump, like every President, inherits the status quo that he inherits.

It's how he violently upends that status quo, and by doing so harms the nation, that you won't be talking about -- other than to blame it on Biden.

#31 | Posted by snoofy at 2025-02-24 10:02 PM | Reply

"I don't need cable, nor have I had cable in the last 8 -9 years."

Since 2015?

Cable TV was rolled out in the 1980s.

You continue to sound like a person who doesn't really understand the workings of the planet you inhabit.

#32 | Posted by snoofy at 2025-02-24 10:04 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

It's how he violently upends that status quo, and by doing so harms the nation, that you won't be talking about -- other than to blame it on Biden.

#31 | Posted by snoofy at 2025-02-24 10:02 PM | Reply | Flag:

So continue with the subsidies and the status quo? Is that what your argument is now?

#33 | Posted by lfthndthrds at 2025-02-24 10:04 PM | Reply

Any one understand why the government is so heavily involved in the agriculture industry?

If you can't answer that, you really can't discuss this with any confidence.

#34 | Posted by oneironaut at 2025-02-24 10:08 PM | Reply

Farm subsidies are socialism.

#22 | Posted by ClownShack at 2025-02-24 09:55 PM | Reply | Flag:

Look at us agreeing on something.

#35 | Posted by lfthndthrds at 2025-02-24 10:08 PM | Reply

~Cable TV was rolled out in the 1980s.

Last time I checked so was the the Cabbage Patch Dolls and Pop Rocks.... Your point being?

#36 | Posted by lfthndthrds at 2025-02-24 10:11 PM | Reply

And don't forget electronic ignition and solid state electronics.

#37 | Posted by lfthndthrds at 2025-02-24 10:15 PM | Reply

It's how he violently upends that status quo, and by doing so harms the nation,
- snoofy

He hates the status quo.

The harming of the nation is to be determined. Be better to revisit this in a year

Even soil needs to be turned.

#38 | Posted by oneironaut at 2025-02-24 10:17 PM | Reply

"China has some of the --------- soil in the world. In order to grow anything they have to import petroleum-based fertilizer"

Good thing Nixon opened trade with them. Ideal conditions for American companies to move their factories to, and save a bundle on labor costs, by firing American workers and replacing them with Mao's enslaved peasants.

#39 | Posted by snoofy at 2025-02-24 10:18 PM | Reply

Cable TV was rolled out in the 1980s.
- snoofy

How did it roll out? Enlighten US instead of playing third grade games.

#40 | Posted by oneironaut at 2025-02-24 10:18 PM | Reply

China has some of the --------- soil in the world.
- lfthanded

--------, Mao implemented slavery.

That's it that's all he did.

Good thing Nixon opened trade with them.
- snoofy

Wasn't until after mao made huge gains in slaughtering the educated.

#41 | Posted by oneironaut at 2025-02-24 10:21 PM | Reply

"So continue with the subsidies and the status quo? Is that what your argument is now?"

I don't recall making any arguments, simply explaining how the world works to a frustrated man-child who can only understand life through winning and losing fights, never through working collaboratively towards a common goal.

How old were you, when you realized you probably aren't that smart after all?

#42 | Posted by snoofy at 2025-02-24 10:21 PM | Reply

"How did it roll out?"

Exclusive franchise monopolies.

#43 | Posted by snoofy at 2025-02-24 10:22 PM | Reply

@#30 ... There's this thing called wireless internet... I don't need cable, nor have I had cable in the last 8 -9 years. ...

Now there is that alternative.

But back when cable was called CATV (Community Antenna Television). CATV started when a rural techie put up an antenna on a tower and then provided TV reception to the few people around him.

But now we have streaming.

Things change.

www.radiohalloffame.com

...When American Marconi was sold to General Electric in 1919, Sarnoff joined the newly formed Radio Corporation of America (RCA). Here, Sarnoff advocated his plans to make radio "a household utility' in the same sense as the piano or phonograph."

That vision came true in 1926, when RCA purchased WEAF/New York and launched the National Broadcasting Company (NBC), the first radio network in America. By 1930, Sarnoff had become president of RCA and NBC had split into two networks, the Red and the Blue. The Blue Network later became ABC Radio. ...


Yeah, make radio (wireless) a household utility. Dr Sarnoff was quite prescient.

There is more to his writings, but I'll leave it at that for now.


#44 | Posted by LampLighter at 2025-02-24 10:24 PM | Reply

"But now we have streaming."

Streams that are coming over the same wires, in the same trenches, that were dug for cable in the 1980s...

#45 | Posted by snoofy at 2025-02-24 10:27 PM | Reply

@#45 ... Streams that are coming over the same wires, in the same trenches, that were dug for cable in the 1980s... ...

Yes and no.

In my area, the ISP has been the coax on the poles with fiber optics. The result is that the coax is only local on my street. The distribution to the street is fiber.

Now, if you are talking about the backbone transit routes, say, from Boston to NYC, yeah, that' a different story.

Back in the 90's when I rode my bicycle around the area, I once came upon a construction crew. I stopped ansd asked them what they were doing.

While they did not say what company they were working for, they did tell me that they were putting into place a Boston-to-NYC fiber line.

(Aside: I have noticed that construction workers seem to be quite open when you talk with them while riding a bicycle...)

So yeah, back then there was a lot of fiber put down into the ground. I remember google being quite aggressive in that area.



#46 | Posted by LampLighter at 2025-02-24 10:40 PM | Reply

@#46

Ooops.

should be...

In my area, the ISP has been replacing the coax on the poles with fiber optics.

Apologies.


#47 | Posted by LampLighter at 2025-02-24 10:59 PM | Reply


..When American Marconi was sold to General Electric in 1919, Sarnoff joined the newly formed Radio Corporation of America (RCA). Here, Sarnoff advocated his plans to make radio "a household utility' in the same sense as the piano or phonograph."
That vision came true in 1926, when RCA purchased WEAF/New York and launched the National Broadcasting Company (NBC), the first radio network in America. By 1930, Sarnoff had become president of RCA and NBC had split into two networks, the Red and the Blue. The Blue Network later became ABC Radio. ...

Where is Snoofy's government that made this happen?

#48 | Posted by oneironaut at 2025-02-24 11:05 PM | Reply


Exclusive franchise monopolies.
#43 | POSTED BY SNOOFY

So how did the government make this happen?

Are you saying the government, that you so affectionately want to control everything allow a monopoly.

I am not sure, was this good or bad?

Somehow I am supposed to support this perspective?

How does this relate to Goverment support of agriculture? Do you even understand why the government is supporting the Ag industry?

#49 | Posted by oneironaut at 2025-02-24 11:08 PM | Reply


Streams that are coming over the same wires, in the same trenches, that were dug for cable in the 1980s...
#45 | POSTED BY SNOOFY

This is false, it was broadcast . It wasn't streams. I hope you know the difference, even in IP protocol its different.

You act like you know things. But here is your ignorance.

#50 | Posted by oneironaut at 2025-02-24 11:11 PM | Reply

Here's a strange stat....

Home Depot is worth more than all the European start ups (that have gone public) created in the past 50 years combined.

Home Depot.

IMO that is a signal of what "socialism" does, it doesn't create anything of any size for any period of time..

#51 | Posted by oneironaut at 2025-02-24 11:29 PM | Reply

Aww, that's too bad for those welfare queens who can't afford to farm without the tax dollars we Blue States provide them.

They voted for this, hope they're happy with the results!

#52 | Posted by chuffy at 2025-02-25 04:50 PM | Reply

Aww, that's too bad for those welfare queens who can't afford to farm without the tax dollars we Blue States provide them.

They voted for this, hope they're happy with the results!

#52 | Posted by chuffy at 2025-02-25 04:50 PM | Reply | Flag:

Are you going on record making the argument that the majority of farmers are republican? I don't know the answer, but big agri is following the handouts. You sure you know what you're talking about?

#53 | Posted by lfthndthrds at 2025-02-25 08:38 PM | Reply

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