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New Mexico became on Saturday the first U.S. state to offer free child care to all residents in a bid to boost its economy and lift education and child welfare levels ranked the worst in the country.

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New Mexico will become the first state to offer free universal child care next week.

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-- CBS News (@cbsnews.com) Oct 29, 2025 at 9:40 PM

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... Under the program, families, regardless of income, can receive state vouchers to cover public and private child care fees. It culminates efforts New Mexico has made to expand access to free child care since the governor and state legislature created the Early Childhood Education and Care Department in 2019. ...

#1 | Posted by LampLighter at 2025-11-01 10:14 PM | Reply

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... "Thousands of students have returned to schools, which means that states are putting in the work," said Carl Felton, III, a policy analyst at EdTrust, a nonprofit that advocates for underrepresented students.

Felton is the author of a new report that looks at how policies in 22 states plus Washington, D.C., have helped improve student attendance. He said there are several things states are doing right, including collecting and publishing reliable data, and investing in early interventions and outreach programs instead of punitive practices. ...

Changing punitive practices and investing in more support

One of the areas Felton looked at was punitive practices. He said states need to ban corporal punishment entirely and ban harsh penalties like suspensions for minor infractions because they can harm the relationship between students and educators, and they can make students feel unsafe or unmotivated to come to class.

Several states, including many in the South, still allow corporal punishment in schools, and according to federal data, more than 69,000 K-12 public school students received corporal punishment during the 2017-18 school year.

"In order for a student to want to be in the school environment they need to know that they are cared for and that the adults in the building have their best interests at heart," Felton said. "You can hold students accountable without harming them."

He said research-backed services like after-school programs and mental health supports help to create a positive school climate: "These are the practices that we know can reduce chronic absenteeism because they address root causes."

Felton found some states, like Connecticut and Maryland, have invested millions of dollars in wrap-around services like mental health support and at-home visits. California has invested billions of dollars in that effort. ...

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"Not until you reach people, are you really able to address problems," Felton said. "We need to prioritize investments and policies that focus on engaging students and families, and making sure they get the support they need to show up daily."

#2 | Posted by LampLighter at 2025-11-02 12:07 AM | Reply

oops, formatting error on my part ...

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#3 | Posted by LampLighter at 2025-11-02 12:08 AM | Reply

"He said states need to ban corporal punishment entirely and ban harsh penalties like suspensions for minor infractions because they can harm the relationship between students and educators, and they can make students feel unsafe or unmotivated to come to class."

Republicans think children need to be hit.

#4 | Posted by snoofy at 2025-11-02 12:10 AM | Reply

@#4 ... Republicans think children need to be hit. ...

I'm not sure whether that may be Republicans in general, of the Christian segment of Republicans.

What I do know, and still remember, are the whacks on my knuckles by the Catholic nun using a wooden paddle.

Why? Because I asked a question about something she said.

To her, it seemed that questions were not allowed, only obedience was allowed.

The Christian approach at the time seemed to me to be, obey or be hurt.

At the time I was not even in my teen-age years.

And, if I may add, the NYC public school system at the time allowed for such "release time" endeavors each Wednesday afternoon at 2pm, so that I could spend an hour at the local Christian church being physically abused.





#5 | Posted by LampLighter at 2025-11-02 12:54 AM | Reply

Finally a government that uses tax money to help all people instead of just the 1%.

Magats hate that.

#6 | Posted by Nixon at 2025-11-03 07:53 AM | Reply

Doesn't everyone know that if there is free child care we can't have a country?

#7 | Posted by Zed at 2025-11-03 07:58 AM | Reply

FTA
"The state will fund universal child care, estimated to cost $600 million annually, largely with interest from its Early Childhood Education and Care Fund. The fund has grown to around $10 billion primarily from oil and gas taxes since it was set up in 2020"

On one hand, it's refreshing to see an actual plan on how they intend to fund it. On the other hand, these are liberals who constantly fight for oil and gas to go away. So now, they become dependent upon what they hate, to fund what they want. IOW, they don't even believe their own rhetoric about climate change. Nice to know we have liberals fighting for the lifeblood of oil and gas. I knew they'd eventually come around.

#8 | Posted by lfthndthrds at 2025-11-03 09:18 AM | Reply

Finally a government that uses tax money to help all people instead of just the 1%.

Magats hate that.

#6 | Posted by Nixon at 2025-11-03 07:53 AM | Reply | Flag:

Did you catch the part where they're using tax revenue from oil and gas? Oil and gas good or bad?

#9 | Posted by lfthndthrds at 2025-11-03 09:24 AM | Reply

On one hand, it's refreshing to...

#8 | Posted by lfthndthrds

See ordinary people cared for?

This is going to lift many New Mexicans out of poverty.

No cheering for that, are you?

Nothing ever "refreshes" you. You are as personally hateful as your political beliefs.

#10 | Posted by Zed at 2025-11-03 09:28 AM | Reply

-Did you catch the part where they're using tax revenue from oil and gas?

doubtful.

Zed's chastising you for praising the effort. just can't please some folks.

#11 | Posted by eberly at 2025-11-03 09:32 AM | Reply

See ordinary people cared for?

This is going to lift many New Mexicans out of poverty.

No cheering for that, are you?

Nothing ever "refreshes" you. You are as personally hateful as your political beliefs.

#10 | Posted by Zed at 2025-11-03 09:28 AM | Reply | Flag:

No Zed, I'm actually impressed to see government work with an actual plan on how they intend to pay for these type of perks. It's very responsible and I applaud them.

OTOH, they're using the devil juice to fund it. According to their own beliefs, they're killing the planet to fund free childcare.

#12 | Posted by lfthndthrds at 2025-11-03 09:42 AM | Reply

OTOH, they're using the devil juice to fund it.

#12 | Posted by lfthndthrds

You work with the economy you have. Not the one you wish you have.

Donald Trump and MAGA are sabotaging wind and solar.

In Texas, wind power especially has saved many small landowners from poverty.

Why you people won't let that continue is beyond me, except to set the citizens of New Mexico up for a gotcha moment.

Which, of course, you just did.

#13 | Posted by Zed at 2025-11-03 09:58 AM | Reply

"OTOH, they're using the devil juice to fund it."

If the people really believed using oil was bad for the Earth they would stop using it.

And go live in a cave or whatever.

Yeah. That's realistic. Not!!

Where have we heard that nonsensical argument before?

That was goatmans favorite go to retort.

Which is basically the same as saying if you believe what you are saying about human caused climate change you must fight the fossil fuels industry on foot with sticks and stones.

It's that wonderful maga kindergarten logic we have all come to know and not love.

#14 | Posted by donnerboy at 2025-11-03 10:09 AM | Reply

-OTOH, they're using the devil juice to fund it

That's correct. It's kind of similar to the tobacco industry. We tax the sale of their products to the point where it's a necessary source of revenue.

As of 2023, we collect $38 billion in tax revenue from tobacco.

#15 | Posted by eberly at 2025-11-03 10:30 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#14 | Posted by donnerboy at 2025-11-03 10:09 AM | Reply | Flag:

You don't have a point. What you have is an obligation to somehow twist the hypocrisy to save face for these people. These people either, never believed their own words about oil & gas and the environment, or they really don't care about the environment when it comes to their pet projects. And again, I do not find fault in these officials for having a sound plan and budget to pay for the childcare.

What you won't admit is that oil & gas is providing the funding for NM to afford something good for families, they otherwise couldn't.

#16 | Posted by lfthndthrds at 2025-11-03 10:31 AM | Reply

That's correct. It's kind of similar to the tobacco industry. We tax the sale of their products to the point where it's a necessary source of revenue.

As of 2023, we collect $38 billion in tax revenue from tobacco.

#15 | Posted by eberly at 2025-11-03 10:30 AM | Reply | Flag:

Correct.

#17 | Posted by lfthndthrds at 2025-11-03 10:32 AM | Reply

I'm actually impressed to see government work with an actual plan on how they intend to pay for these type of perks. It's very responsible and I applaud them.
#12 | Posted by lfthndthrds

You sure aren't impressed to see government work with an actual plan on how they intend to pay for it when the plannis called SNAP.

Wanna explain why feeding Americans with SNAP or free school lunches is bad, but feeding Mexicans with Mexi-Snap is good?

#18 | Posted by snoofy at 2025-11-03 10:33 AM | Reply

You sure aren't impressed to see government work with an actual plan

#18 | Posted by snoofy at 2025-11-03 10:33 AM | Reply | Flag:

Hay barn on fire alert!

#19 | Posted by lfthndthrds at 2025-11-03 10:34 AM | Reply

"These people either, never believed their own words about oil & gas and the environment, or they really don't care about the environment when it comes to their pet projects."

You don't have beliefs, so not understanding how they work is why you think that.

#20 | Posted by snoofy at 2025-11-03 10:35 AM | Reply

We tax cigarettes, does that mean we think cigarettes don't really cause cancer?

Christ you're stupid.

#21 | Posted by snoofy at 2025-11-03 10:36 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

These people either, never believed their own words about oil & gas and the environment, or they really don't care about the environment when it comes to their pet projects. And again, I do not find fault in these officials for having a sound plan and budget to pay for the childcare.

What you won't admit is that oil & gas is providing the funding for NM to afford something good for families, they otherwise couldn't.
#16 | POSTED BY LFTHNDTHRDS

I did not deny anything.

My point is you continue to deny reality and wish that one side disarm.

You blame them for using these funds then try and claim you don't "find fault."

Your brain is broke my friend. It's stuck in a maga loop.

Have you tried turning it off and on again? I hear sometimes that works.

#22 | Posted by donnerboy at 2025-11-03 10:37 AM | Reply

We tax cigarettes, does that mean we think cigarettes don't really cause cancer?
Christ you're stupid.

#21 | Posted by snoofy at 2025-11-03 10:36 AM | Reply

That's a mic drop right there.

#23 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2025-11-03 10:38 AM | Reply

Wanna explain why feeding Americans with SNAP

#18 | Posted by snoofy at 2025-11-03 10:33 AM | Reply | Flag:

SNAP benefits*

DRINK!

Go start a thread on SNAP. This thread is about how oil & gas revenue is successfully funding free childcare in NM.

#24 | Posted by lfthndthrds at 2025-11-03 10:39 AM | Reply

Ideological purity and gotcha questions are more important to turds than healthcare or food for children.

#25 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2025-11-03 10:40 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

We tax cigarettes, does that mean we think cigarettes don't really cause cancer?
Christ you're stupid.

#21 | Posted by snoofy at 2025-11-03 10:36 AM | Reply

So we're back to oil & gas is bad, but we will keep using it as long as it funds things like free childcare?

#26 | Posted by lfthndthrds at 2025-11-03 10:42 AM | Reply

23

more like a ----- shoved up your hole a little further.

Which I hope you're enjoying.

#27 | Posted by eberly at 2025-11-03 10:42 AM | Reply

We "keep using it" because that's what we have.

Grow up.

#28 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2025-11-03 10:43 AM | Reply

Go start a thread on SNAP.
#24 | Posted by lfthndthrds

The "denial" stage of the Kubler-Ross model has joined the chat.

My argument destroys yours and everybody can see it.

#29 | Posted by snoofy at 2025-11-03 10:43 AM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 1

turds is only capable of gotcha style hypocrisy arguments, because he can't think for himself.

#30 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2025-11-03 10:44 AM | Reply

So we're back to oil & gas is bad, but we will keep using it as long as it funds things like free childcare?
#26 | Posted by lfthndthrds

So now it's "Denial" and a little bit of "Bargaining" this time.

Kubler-Ross explains and predicts the MAGA mind accurately.

#31 | Posted by snoofy at 2025-11-03 10:45 AM | Reply

Can we agree that the environment doesn't care if the oil and gas industry funds a worthy cause such as child care and that pollution is pollution?

Regardless....this is why folks can convince Joe 6 pack there is no difference between the 2 parties.

they both take money from the oil and gas industry. One side might use the money for better and worthy causes.....but they still rely on the industry.

I'm not making that argument...but you can see why it's an easy piece of propaganda to use.

#32 | Posted by eberly at 2025-11-03 10:45 AM | Reply

My point is you continue to deny reality and wish that one side disarm.

#22 | Posted by donnerboy at 2025-11-03 10:37 AM | Reply | Flag:

So again, as long as the pet projects are funded by oil & gas, you care not if the planet dies? Because that's where most of the left stands on petroleum. Pay for it some other way if you really believe that.

#33 | Posted by lfthndthrds at 2025-11-03 10:46 AM | Reply

Can we agree that the environment doesn't care if the oil and gas industry funds a worthy cause such as child care and that pollution is pollution?
#32 | Posted by eberly

The answer is No.
Republicans cannot agree that CO2 is pollution.

#34 | Posted by snoofy at 2025-11-03 10:47 AM | Reply

Pay for it some other way if you really believe that.

How about we tax the ---- out of trust funders? Thoughts?

#35 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2025-11-03 10:47 AM | Reply

23

more like a ----- shoved up your hole a little further.

Which I hope you're enjoying.
#27 | POSTED BY EBERLY

Careful what you wish for!

There it is. That wonderful display of civility.

That only "lefties" resort to.

Great discussion! So informative and helpful!

#36 | Posted by donnerboy at 2025-11-03 10:48 AM | Reply

My argument destroys yours and everybody can see it.

#29 | Posted by snoofy at 2025-11-03 10:43 AM | Reply | Flag

LOL The self-proclaimed winner. such a sad little ----, you are.

#37 | Posted by lfthndthrds at 2025-11-03 10:48 AM | Reply

Universal child care is a "pet project"?

#38 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2025-11-03 10:49 AM | Reply

"Why don't we just stop using oil?"

More brilliant political commentary from the geniuses who think they're scoring points with:

"Why don't we just make the minimum wage $100/hr?"

#39 | Posted by snoofy at 2025-11-03 10:49 AM | Reply

23
more like a ----- shoved up your hole a little further.
Which I hope you're enjoying.
#27 | POSTED BY EBERLY
Careful what you wish for!
There it is. That wonderful display of civility.
That only "lefties" resort to.
Great discussion! So informative and helpful!

#36 | Posted by donnerboy at 2025-11-03 10:48 AM | Reply | Flag:

Eberly takes potshots at me that he knows I can't see unless someone copies and pastes it.

He is a coward.

#40 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2025-11-03 10:50 AM | Reply

The answer is No.
Republicans cannot agree that CO2 is pollution.

#34 | Posted by snoofy at 2025-11-03 10:47 AM | Reply | Flag

But the democrats agree and keep taking the money. make it make sense

#41 | Posted by lfthndthrds at 2025-11-03 10:50 AM | Reply

LOL The self-proclaimed winner. such a sad little ----, you are.
#37 | Posted by lfthndthrds

You haven't done anything to refute my argument, and that's because you can't.

Dint feel bad. You're not really much of a "doer" in this life anyway.

#42 | Posted by snoofy at 2025-11-03 10:51 AM | Reply

-There it is. That wonderful display of civility.

Fair point. Civility is counted on from me and I should show it.

#43 | Posted by eberly at 2025-11-03 10:51 AM | Reply

How about we tax the ---- out of trust funders? Thoughts?

#35 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2025-11-03 10:47 AM | Reply | Flag:

This is how you know someone has absolutely nothing left.

#44 | Posted by lfthndthrds at 2025-11-03 10:51 AM | Reply

But the democrats agree and keep taking the money. make it make sense
#41 | Posted by lfthndthrds

Having cars doesn't make sense to you?
There, there child.
Let Mommy hold you and brush your tears away.

#45 | Posted by snoofy at 2025-11-03 10:52 AM | Reply

This is how you know someone has absolutely nothing left.

#44 | Posted by lfthndthrds at 2025-11-03 10:51 AM | Reply | Flag

Tax the rich adequately and we wouldn't be having this dumb "duh, don't use oil" conversation.

#46 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2025-11-03 10:52 AM | Reply

-Eberly takes potshots at me that he knows I can't see unless someone copies and pastes it.

that's why I posted it. I was daring someone to repost it.

or catch you in the lie that you have me plonked.

either way it's for my enjoyment. It's not like you'll contribute anything here. Just drama.

#47 | Posted by eberly at 2025-11-03 10:52 AM | Reply

Eberly takes potshots at me that he knows I can't see unless someone copies and pastes it.

He is a coward.

#40 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2025-11-03 10:50 AM | Reply | Flag:

You're the coward who has to hide from Eberly's posts. I mean, Is he that scary to you?

#48 | Posted by lfthndthrds at 2025-11-03 10:53 AM | Reply

We don't even have to tax the rich. We just have to pay bottom tier workers more.

But to Republicans, that's no different than a tax.

#49 | Posted by snoofy at 2025-11-03 10:55 AM | Reply

-Is he that scary to you?

If he wants to avoid me then why is he talking about me?

that's how dumb he is....or how big of a liar he is.

#50 | Posted by eberly at 2025-11-03 10:55 AM | Reply

So again, as long as the pet projects are funded by oil & gas, you care not if the planet dies?

The planet will not die before those children would.

Ok. I'll byte. How would YOU find it?

Oh that's right. You would not fund it at all.

Your argument is a well known via a physiology experiment in human nature called the Trolley Car experiment.

It has many variations and the results are very informative as to human nature and the moral choices they make.

It make be difficult for you to comprehend being as you apparently have no morals.


#51 | Posted by donnerboy at 2025-11-03 10:55 AM | Reply

Having cars doesn't make sense to you?

#45 | Posted by snoofy at 2025-11-03 10:52 AM | Reply | Flag:

Sure it does, but I'm not the one who want's oil & gas to go away. That would be your own idea.

#52 | Posted by lfthndthrds at 2025-11-03 10:55 AM | Reply

Would you pay more in taxes to stop child care programs from using gas and oil?

I doubt it, so here we are.

#53 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2025-11-03 10:55 AM | Reply

but I'm not the one who want's oil & gas to go away. That would be your own idea.

Link?

#54 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2025-11-03 10:56 AM | Reply

So again, as long as the pet projects are funded by oil & gas, you care not if the planet dies?
#33 | Posted by lfthndthrds

^
One of the ways we can tell you've never really had to work hard to survive in this life is demonstrated by your comment.

You have never been faced with having to make a difficult trade-off, where you can't get everything you want all the time.

#55 | Posted by snoofy at 2025-11-03 10:57 AM | Reply

but I'm not the one who want's oil & gas to go away. That would be your own idea.
#52 | Posted by lfthndthrds at

I guess your mommy didn't breatfeed you, so you don't know what weaning a child off the breast means.

#56 | Posted by snoofy at 2025-11-03 10:59 AM | Reply

How would YOU find it?

#51 | Posted by donnerboy at 2025-11-03 10:55 AM | Reply | Flag

I would do exactly what NM is doing and use the revenue from O&G.I think it's a great idea. I'm simply pointing out the hypocrisy of the left here with their hatred for O&G.

#57 | Posted by lfthndthrds at 2025-11-03 10:59 AM | Reply

I watched CBS Sunday morning yesterday and there was a segment on child care and how expensive it is. Maybe I missed it but I don't believe this action in NM was included in the segment.

My wife stayed home for the vast majority of the time for our 3 kids at home.....and she can make some money as a contract OT.

It was a big sacrifice financially for us. We lived in less home, drove less expensive cars, etc. We made it work.....my income has always been decent.

I'm glad we weren't stuck with the issue of very expensive child care costs today these young couples face.

#58 | Posted by eberly at 2025-11-03 11:01 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

There is no "hatred" for oil and gas from the average lefty.

We simply need to find better alternatives for the bulk of our energy needs, ones that do less environmental damage.

Additionally, if we were self sustaining the Middle East would suddenly be far less interesting to our military.

#59 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2025-11-03 11:02 AM | Reply

He is a coward.
#40 | Posted by Alexandrite

Donner? Where are you? You're the civility police....you need to issue poor alex a citation for his violation.

#60 | Posted by eberly at 2025-11-03 11:02 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

Would you pay more in taxes to stop child care programs from using gas and oil?

I doubt it, so here we are.

#53 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2025-11-03 10:55 AM | Reply | Flag

LMAO No, I pay enough is taxes as it is. But that's not the issue. The issue is that O&G is funding something you deeply care about. And watching you, Zed and Snoofy defend O&G is the trifecta win.

#61 | Posted by lfthndthrds at 2025-11-03 11:04 AM | Reply

-There is no "hatred" for oil and gas from the average lefty.

This is true.

However, there is an abundance of faux outrage when that industry writes checks to members of the GOP.

#62 | Posted by eberly at 2025-11-03 11:04 AM | Reply

I'm simply pointing out the hypocrisy of the left here with their hatred for O&G.
#57 | Posted by lfthndthrds

Oh so you're engaging in The Riiight's favorite logical fallacy, the Appeal To Hypocrisy.

Why didn't you just say you were just trolling and not making sincere arguments, that could have saved us all some time, and saved you some face!

(Answer: Probably because you aren't smart enough to understand the difference between a logical fallacy and a valid argument.)

"The appeal to hypocrisy, also known as the tu quoque fallacy, is a logical fallacy where someone discredits an opponent's argument by pointing out their contradictory behavior, rather than addressing the argument itself. This tactic is often used to distract from the original issue and does not invalidate the opponent's claim."

#63 | Posted by snoofy at 2025-11-03 11:05 AM | Reply

Again, point to where I said gas and oil was evil, lfthand.

You can't, it's your strawman.

#64 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2025-11-03 11:05 AM | Reply

Again, point to where I said gas and oil was evil, lfthand.

You can't, it's your strawman.

#64 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2025-11-03 11:05 AM | Reply | Flag:

Are you now saying O&G is good?

#65 | Posted by lfthndthrds at 2025-11-03 11:06 AM | Reply

. "And watching you, Zed and Snoofy defend O&G is the trifecta win."

I'm positive the oil and gas executives are getting a chuckle out of it.

You know this is what the industry expects in return for this. Lighten up on the rhetoric and damnation some and we'll pay for your child care.

#66 | Posted by eberly at 2025-11-03 11:07 AM | Reply

-Again, point to where I said gas and oil was evil,

oil and gas or the revenue from oil and gas?

#67 | Posted by eberly at 2025-11-03 11:08 AM | Reply

Are you now saying O&G is good?

#65 | Posted by lfthndthrds at 2025-11-03 11:06 AM | Reply | Flag

It's not black and white, but yes...it's the resource we have.

What I'm against is not trying to mitigate environmental damage and foreign policy BS based on our addiction to gas and oil.

Maybe this is too adult and nuanced for you.

#68 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2025-11-03 11:09 AM | Reply

You stupid ass Republicans still don't get it?

Just pretend fossil fuels are guns, and the pollution from fossil fuels is a bullet heading for Charlie Kirk's neck.

Now tell us, are guns good or bad?

#69 | Posted by snoofy at 2025-11-03 11:11 AM | Reply

You stupid ass Republicans still don't get it?
Just pretend fossil fuels are guns, and the pollution from fossil fuels is a bullet heading for Charlie Kirk's neck.
Now tell us, are guns good or bad?

#69 | Posted by snoofy at 2025-11-03 11:11 AM | Reply

That's a pretty good one.

#70 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2025-11-03 11:12 AM | Reply

I'm positive the oil and gas executives are getting a chuckle out of it.

You know this is what the industry expects in return for this. Lighten up on the rhetoric and damnation some and we'll pay for your child care.

#66 | Posted by eberly at 2025-11-03 11:07 AM | Reply | Flag:

I spent my whole career in oil & gas. Most people have no idea how much they contribute to local communities. Just the high paying salaries alone breathes life into communities. My old employer, Shell Oil, has sponsored New Orleans Jazz Fest as far back as I can remember. They donated to habitat for humanity, local schools and charities etc....

#71 | Posted by lfthndthrds at 2025-11-03 11:13 AM | Reply

I might even email some of my contacts for them to take a look at what NM is doing and see if they would be interested in aligning with Louisiana to do something similar.

#72 | Posted by lfthndthrds at 2025-11-03 11:17 AM | Reply

I might even email some of my contacts for them to take a look at what NM is doing and see if they would be interested in aligning with Louisiana to do something similar.

#72 | Posted by lfthndthrds at 2025-11-03 11:17 AM | Reply

That's the first decent thing you've written in this entire thread.

#73 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2025-11-03 11:18 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

However, there is an abundance of faux outrage when that industry writes checks to members of the GOP.
#62 | POSTED BY EBERLY

Lobbyists have unequal access to congressional halls of power through a combination of money, relationships, and expertise, which allows them to gain privileged access and influence policymaking.

The "rage" over the oil lobbyists unequal access influence and power over members of Congress is not fake and is fully justified.

#74 | Posted by donnerboy at 2025-11-03 11:18 AM | Reply

Alexandrite,

They like playing dumb. You can almost see the dopamine release in how they type their oh-so-clever retorts.

They're not here for a conversation. Dude literally says he thinks the idea is good, his only interest in the "conversation" is to troll the libs. He chummed the waters so hard it even summoned an Eberly to take a few potshots.

But when his trolling actually generated a sincere response about trade-offs and how political solutions have to work within the confines of the world we live in?

The thread's no fun for him and he has nothing left to say.

They're just bullies whose penises can no longer sustain an -------- so this is the closest they can get to enjoying life now.

#75 | Posted by snoofy at 2025-11-03 11:19 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

They like playing dumb.

They're good at it too.

#76 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2025-11-03 11:21 AM | Reply

That's the first decent thing you've written in this entire thread.

Posted by Alexandrite

we're still waiting on yours.

#77 | Posted by eberly at 2025-11-03 11:24 AM | Reply

"Just the high paying salaries alone breathes life into communities."

While not wrong, it should be noted that some of the poorest parts in the nation are those under the political thumb of the fossil fuel industry.

#78 | Posted by snoofy at 2025-11-03 11:24 AM | Reply

That's the first decent thing you've written in this entire thread.

#73 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2025-11-03 11:18 AM | Reply | Flag:

No it's not. I said I commend NM for actually having a budget/plan that was clear and concise to tackle paying for childcare. I have no issues with that whatsoever. And it should be a lesson for people like Mandami who are looking to do the same thing. But wait, New York has a drilling moratorium on O&G. Signed in 2014 by Andrew Cuomo iirc.

#79 | Posted by lfthndthrds at 2025-11-03 11:24 AM | Reply

-The "rage" over the oil lobbyists unequal access influence and power over members of Congress is not fake and is fully justified.

Great but that doesn't refute my point. I wasn't pointing to the generality of "members of Congress". I was more specific.

#80 | Posted by eberly at 2025-11-03 11:25 AM | Reply

"Most people have no idea how much they contribute to local communities."

We just aren't going to talk about the other side of the coin, are we?

Most people have no idea how much they take from local communities either.

Fossil Fuel-producing Communities Face a 'Cumulative Burden' of Pollution, Poor Health and Job Loss in the US
www.wri.org

Fracking: Unintended Consequences for Local Communities
www.hsaj.org

#81 | Posted by snoofy at 2025-11-03 11:29 AM | Reply

New York has a drilling moratorium on O&G. Signed in 2014 by Andrew Cuomo iirc.
#79 | Posted by lfthndthrds

That's because NY is home to rich people and rich people don't want their local communities destroyed ecologically by fracking or economically by boom and bust economies. And you know I'm right about that too.

Beyomd that, New York has a far better source to tap into for revenue, than mineral extraction.

It's the wealth extraction where the oil companies and all other kinds of companies are traded on Wall Street.

#82 | Posted by snoofy at 2025-11-03 11:33 AM | Reply

Great but that doesn't refute my point. I wasn't pointing to the generality of "members of Congress". I was more specific.

#80 | POSTED BY EBERLY
It refutes your point entirely.

My general discussion of the disdain for lobbyists includes the subset of the GOP accepting bribe money from oil lobbyists in order influence how Congress continues to fund Big Oil subsidies and social protections while influencing them to denigrate the renewables industry. And also to influence them to lie about the effects of fissile fuels on global climate change.

It's not "faux rage". It's fully justified as part of the bigger concern for lobbyists.

Regardless. I am impressed we finally get to see a good precedent in America for a change. Instead of the constant stream of evil precedents emanating from the horror show being performed at the White House.

#83 | Posted by donnerboy at 2025-11-03 11:34 AM | Reply

I like your idea of oil wells suddenly going up in the Five Boroughs though!

Like you really think that's a workable idea.

#84 | Posted by snoofy at 2025-11-03 11:35 AM | Reply

That's because NY is home to rich people and rich people

#82 | Posted by snoofy at 2025-11-03 11:33 AM | Reply | Flag:

No, New York is this way because they have NYC.

#85 | Posted by lfthndthrds at 2025-11-03 11:35 AM | Reply

That's because NY is home to rich people and rich people
#82 | Posted by snoofy at 2025-11-03 11:33 AM | Reply | Flag:
No, New York is this way because they have NYC.
#85 | Posted by lfthndthrds

Not a no, a yes.
Those are the same thing.

#86 | Posted by snoofy at 2025-11-03 11:36 AM | Reply

"Fissile" should be "fossil".

As a side note and off topic ... them Fissile Fuels are not nearly as bad for climate change as fossil fuels. They just don't have enough good lobbyists. Apparently.

#87 | Posted by donnerboy at 2025-11-03 11:37 AM | Reply

"....influencing them to denigrate the renewables industry. And also to influence them to lie about the effects of fissile fuels on global climate change."

It's about where they spend it......not that they actually accept the money?

-It's not "faux rage"

LOL

#88 | Posted by eberly at 2025-11-03 11:37 AM | Reply

-New York is this way because they have NYC.

And apparently, they don't want to fund free child care.

those greedy rich people in NYC......LOL

#89 | Posted by eberly at 2025-11-03 11:40 AM | Reply | Funny: 2

-the GOP accepting bribe money from oil lobbyists

And you don't think there were any lobbyists involved when this idea was hatched in NM?

#90 | Posted by eberly at 2025-11-03 11:42 AM | Reply

"Fissile Fuels are not nearly as bad for climate change as fossil fuels. They just don't have enough good lobbyists."

Don't look now but nuclear stocks have been on quite the run lately. This is largely premised around small scale nuclear reactors to supply energy for the $7 Trillion dollars in data centers being built to replace everyone's jobs with AI. And also having Trump as President who would mail every Democrat nuclear waste if he could.

NUKZ Range Nuclear Renaissance Index ETF +76.25% YTD
which is basically double the S&P.

#91 | Posted by snoofy at 2025-11-03 11:43 AM | Reply

"I have no issues with that whatsoever"

Well except for that one little "fault" you found. With which you tried to denigrate and undermine the whole program. Only because it was a Blue State.

If it was a Red State like Texas who thought of it first you would have sang hallelujah if you said anything at all.

Like a good maga maroon.

#92 | Posted by donnerboy at 2025-11-03 11:45 AM | Reply

Eberly says Dems aren't really mad until their skin turns green and they burst out of your clothing.

You know, like Nancy Mace at the airport the other day! That was genuine outrage.

#93 | Posted by snoofy at 2025-11-03 11:46 AM | Reply

#83 | POSTED BY DONNERBOY

You know the oil industry is in the renewable industry right? To them is energy. To you its a religion.

Why Do Big Oil Companies Invest in Green Energy?
www.gatech.edu

The reality is without the subsidies renewables wouldn't happen, the idea of the subsidies was to help the industry get to scale. But the fact is the renewables doesn't seem to be profitable.

#94 | Posted by oneironaut at 2025-11-03 11:47 AM | Reply

"And also having Trump as President who would mail every Democrat nuclear waste if he could."

lol

Yup. Nuclear energy is seeing a resurgence. Technically while it is not considered a renewable resource it is now considered a more "sustainable" resource.

#95 | Posted by donnerboy at 2025-11-03 11:50 AM | Reply

Profits are not the only consideration.

Why pretend they are?

#96 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2025-11-03 11:50 AM | Reply

-Only because it was a Blue State.

I thought it was because the O&G industry was funding this. You could move this to a red state and have the same argument.

#97 | Posted by eberly at 2025-11-03 11:51 AM | Reply

The biggest problem I see with nuclear energy in America is our corporations are insufficiently regulated as to be able to safely manage nuclear waste; much less so under Republican leadership. Heck, even Japan couldn't pull it off at Fukushima, and while they have their own types of corruption problems, the United States is still the Wild West of corruption compared to Japan's more dignified vertically integrated corruption.

This concern about small scale reactors is born out in how small scale Fracking harms communities -- which according to Republicans is just liberal propaganda.

#98 | Posted by snoofy at 2025-11-03 11:54 AM | Reply

Yup. Nuclear energy is seeing a resurgence.

Over the last decade the US Navy has commissioned 1-2 new nuclear reactors per year.
Currently the US Navy operates 100 reactors. which is more than anyone else.

The beauty of navy reactors is that they're designed by geniuses to be operated by idiots.

#99 | Posted by oneironaut at 2025-11-03 11:54 AM | Reply


The biggest problem I see with nuclear energy in America is our corporations are insufficiently regulated as to be able to safely manage nuclear waste; much less so under Republican leadership.

Regulations are the only reason they aren't built on land. NRC is a complete joke. The book Abundance is your friend.

#100 | Posted by oneironaut at 2025-11-03 11:56 AM | Reply

The reality is without the subsidies renewables wouldn't happen, the idea of the subsidies was to help the industry get to scale. But the fact is the renewables doesn't seem to be profitable.

#94 | POSTED BY ONEIRONAUT

The commie agitator has something to say!

Which is of course is completely false all the way around.

Solar was evolving and growing BEFORE subsidies.

With an estimated upfront cost of around $1 million for a 1-megawatt farm, the payback period is about 13 years.

And the profit margin is around 20% depending on the size of the project.

Solar power is becoming cheaper than fossil fuels, with studies showing solar can be 41% cheaper than fossil fuels when comparing utility-scale projects, though the initial investment for residential solar can be high. While fossil fuels have a higher long-term cost due to their finite nature and fluctuating prices, solar power's ongoing operational costs are lower, with the added benefits of being an inexhaustible resource and reducing greenhouse gas emissions.

Around 91% of the utility-scale projects commissioned were more cost effective than fossil fuel alternatives, the report said.

www.reuters.com

#101 | Posted by donnerboy at 2025-11-03 11:59 AM | Reply

If you want to know the future of energy, simply look to where nearly all energy ever consumed on this planet has its origins: The sun.

I won't go so far as to say wind, hydro, and geothermal and nuclear are "from the sun," though without the sun's gravity well there wouldn't be an earth, so you could make the argument.

All the coal and oil and natural gas is from decaying living matter than was plants, and thus got energy from the sun, or consumed things that consumed plants, and thus got energy from the sun.

#102 | Posted by snoofy at 2025-11-03 12:03 PM | Reply

"The commie agitator"

AAhh...more civility from the civility police.

#103 | Posted by eberly at 2025-11-03 12:03 PM | Reply

You could move this to a red state and have the same argument.

#97 | POSTED BY EBERLY

You could but then you would not get Fishpoo to show up to argue it.

I believe that is the point. It's only a conundrum for liberals.

I believe they even call it that. The Liberal Conundrum. Using the tools of the "evil" oil industry to fight evil is a conundrum for liberals. But we go to war with the army we have. Not the one we wish we had.

Don't get me wrong. I don't believe everyone in the oil industry is evil. Or oil or fossil fuels are themselves inherently evil. It's only when humans do use things in a way that is harmful that makes it "evil".

Looks like NM found something good to use it for. They should be commended not criticized. But Fishpoo just couldn't help himself.

#104 | Posted by donnerboy at 2025-11-03 12:11 PM | Reply

" 69 | Posted by snoofy at 2025-11-03 11:11 AM | Reply

That's a pretty good one.

#70 | POSTED BY ALEXANDRITE AT 2025-11-03 11:12 AM | FLAG: "

No it isn't. It's a typical Snoofy- esque terrible attempt at equivalence.

#105 | Posted by BellRinger at 2025-11-03 12:38 PM | Reply

Which is of course is completely false all the way around.

If give a link, its explains the industry and why they are pulling out.

Solar power is becoming cheaper than fossil fuels

If this were true then energy companies wouldn't be leaving the industry, why would anyone leave something that is profitable.

And the profit margin is around 20% depending on the size of the project.

This is absolute BS. In 2020 solar projects went bankrupt : en.wikipedia.org

However, 2024 has brought immense challenges, with higher interest rates, tighter financing, and adverse policy shifts in key states contributing to over 100 solar bankruptcies based on our industry data, a number unseen before in our almost 20 years in the solar sector.

California was particularly hard hit due to new net metering rules under NEM 3.0 that radically reduced system economics.
www.solarinsure.com

If you want to know the future of energy, simply look to where nearly all energy ever consumed on this planet has its origins: The sun.

So nuclear fission?

#106 | Posted by oneironaut at 2025-11-03 12:58 PM | Reply

There will need to be more daycare centers. Background checks.
What is the permitted cost to charge?
Since the government is offering vouchers, childcare centers can now charge more.
Does personal income reduce the amount of the vouchers?
What happens if the childcare cost increases thanks to vouchers?

#107 | Posted by Petrous at 2025-11-03 02:34 PM | Reply

@#15 ... It's kind of similar to the tobacco industry. We tax the sale of their products to the point where it's a necessary source of revenue. ...

So much for "the power to tax is the poser to destroy" adage, eh?

#108 | Posted by LampLighter at 2025-11-03 08:06 PM | Reply

15, 17.

Yes, tax revenues on tobacco are quite large, partly to discourage the product's use and fund research to deal with its negative effects.

O&G? Gun industry?

#109 | Posted by Dbt2 at 2025-11-03 09:06 PM | Reply

I spent my whole career in oil & gas. Most people have no idea how much they contribute to local communities. Just the high paying salaries alone breathes life into communities. My old employer, Shell Oil ...

#71 | Posted by lfthndthrds at 2025-11-03 11:13 AM

This explains a lot about the Nooner.

#110 | Posted by Dbt2 at 2025-11-03 09:12 PM | Reply

Did you catch the part where they're using tax revenue from oil and gas? Oil and gas good or bad?

#9 | Posted by lfthndthrds at 2025-11-03 09:24 AM | Reply | Flag:

The money generated by it is actually helping the voters. Good or bad?

#111 | Posted by Nixon at 2025-11-04 09:01 AM | Reply

Why you people won't let that continue is beyond me

I've noticed with righties, it's generally "my way or the highway", "all or nothing", "pedal to the metal", etc on EVERYTHING! Lefties are generally "live and let live", "all of the above", etc.

The right seeks to impose their will on others whereas the left says the constitution entitles each of us to live our lives the way we see fit as long as we aren't encroaching on the rights of others.

#112 | Posted by FedUpWithPols at 2025-11-04 09:15 AM | Reply

Lefties are generally "live and let live", "all of the above", etc.
The right seeks to impose their will on others whereas the left says the constitution entitles each of us to live our lives the way we see fit as long as we aren't encroaching on the rights of others.

Actually it's the complete opposite. The Left wants the Government to provide everything, and in doing that control everything

#113 | Posted by Maverick at 2025-11-04 10:15 AM | Reply

The Left wants the Government to provide everything, and in doing that control everything

#113 | Posted by Maverick

Why is ever righty here so constantly full of s*&^?

#114 | Posted by jpw at 2025-11-04 10:25 AM | Reply

The Left wants the Government to provide everything, and in doing that control everything

You mean the way that Trump is trying to control everything by with holding government provided funds, contracts, approvals, etc. from businesses, universities, states, etc.? You mean that way? I guess that makes Trump the BIGGEST leftie ever!

#115 | Posted by FedUpWithPols at 2025-11-04 10:55 AM | Reply

The Left wants the Government to provide everything, and in doing that control everything
#113 | Posted by Maverick

Fourth Grade Reading Level has entered the chat.

#116 | Posted by snoofy at 2025-11-04 11:06 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

The Left wants the Government to provide everything, and in doing that control everything

#113 | Posted by Maverick

Why is ever righty here so constantly full of s*&^?

#114 | POSTED BY JPW

Well. I believe that's the way God intended it.

We are here to learn a lesson. How to be kind to ignant hateful ICEholes.

Apparently.

Got tell ya tho. Toughest class I ever took!

#117 | Posted by donnerboy at 2025-11-04 11:37 AM | Reply

This explains a lot about the Nooner.

#110 | Posted by Dbt2 at 2025-11-03 09:12 PM | Reply | Flag:

???

Did you even have an account when there was a such thing as the Nooner?

#118 | Posted by lfthndthrds at 2025-11-04 12:07 PM | Reply

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