Wednesday, August 28, 2024

Kroger Hiked Prices More Than Needed

Kroger Co. hiked prices on milk and eggs more than needed to account for inflation, the company's top pricing executive testified during a court hearing on the US government's bid to block the grocery chain's purchase of rival Albertsons Cos.

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More: In a March email to his bosses, Andy Groff, Kroger's senior director for pricing, acknowledged that the company had raised its prices more than required to adjust for higher costs.

"On milk and eggs, retail inflation has been significantly higher than cost inflation," Groff wrote.

Groff testified about his email as part of an antitrust lawsuit by the Federal Trade Commission and a group of states aimed at blocking Kroger from buying the Albertsons chain. US District Judge Adrienne Nelson in Portland, Oregon, is expected to rule on whether to stop the $24.6 billion acquisition from moving forward.

#1 | Posted by qcp at 2024-08-28 01:14 PM

More than needed?

Prices are a function of relative demand vs. supply.

If Kroger could double or triple the prices of eggs and milk, it would be well within their rights to do so. Those are commodities. easily replaceable.

#2 | Posted by madbomber at 2024-08-28 01:41 PM

Not too bright, are you?

#3 | Posted by LegallyYourDead at 2024-08-28 01:42 PM

@#2 ... it would be well within their rights to do so. ...

Yup, Kroger can, and apparently did, raise their prices to and even past the point of greedflation.

Which is why the FTC is looking out for consumers, and trying to block Kroger from getting even more of a footprint across the Country and subjecting more consumer to their apparent price gouging policies..


#4 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-08-28 01:47 PM

From the same dumbass that said vaccines and masks don't work.

#5 | Posted by LegallyYourDead at 2024-08-28 06:26 PM

I switched to Aldis and the prices are much lower; they don't haxe quite thw selection of Publix but they have everything I need.

#6 | Posted by danni at 2024-08-28 11:03 PM

@#6 ... I switched to Aldis ...

Yeah, that's a curious aspect of this grocery store ~thing.~

Locally, there is a family chain Caraluzzi's ( caraluzzis.com ).

And they seem to be knocking it out of the park locally. For them, customer service seems to be the rule. I mean, when an owner of the company starts bagging your groceries to keep the check-out lines moving, well, I just do not see that in the Krogers or the Aldis or ...


And, yes, that has occurred multiple times, in my experience.


#7 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-08-28 11:18 PM

Here is a link to a report on Kroger's leadership's public statements and financial disclosures regarding their sales and profit numbers during the pandemic.

Just peruse it and you'll find they self admitted to Wall Street precisely what they were doing to counter the covid-caused inflation that enabled them to set a quarterly record profit while they almost bragged about getting more money from their customers than previously. The details are all in business speak, so don't miss the forest for the trees. But there should never be any doubt that our corporations number one goal is to increase profits, so however that can be accomplished is viewed as a win by them and their shareholders with little regard to how it might affect their customers as long as what they're doing doesn't drive them away.

#8 | Posted by tonyroma at 2024-08-28 11:40 PM

I order my groceries omline and have them delivered so I like it thay Aldis uses Instacart where I have a membership and fet free delivery on orders over $35.00.

#9 | Posted by danni at 2024-08-29 12:06 AM

@#8 ... Here is a link to a report on Kroger's leadership's public statements ...

Whoa.

The predatory comments upon Krogers' customers in that statement are, well, wow.

No wonder the FTC is trying to rein them in.

Major kudos for protecting consumers to the FTC in this instance.


Predatory.

Yeah, that seems to describe Krogers management, as expressed in their own words.



#10 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-08-29 12:23 AM

Kroger's net profit margin is right around 2%.

Just stop with this nonsense.

#11 | Posted by BellRinger at 2024-08-29 12:24 AM

@#11 ... Just stop with this nonsense. ...

What nonsense?

The Kroger execs who seem to be saying they are exploiting their customers?

That nonsense?

And, as a corollary ...

If Kroger is only able to maintain a 2% margin, as your current alias asserts without reference (quelle surprise), what does that say about the management of Kroger?


And why should, then, the FTC allow such an apparently poorly managed company to gain even more of of a lock on the groceries we buy?


#12 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-08-29 12:37 AM

Two. Percent. Net. Profit. Margin.

This is so ridiculous.

#13 | Posted by BellRinger at 2024-08-29 12:39 AM

"Two. Percent. Net. Profit. Margin. "

You forgot the salient part.

Here are Kroger's Stock Buybacks.

May 31, 2024. $146.55M.
Jan 31, 2024. $8.41M.
Oct 31, 2023. $8.98M.
Aug 31, 2023. $48.85M.
May 31, 2023. $69.94M.
Jan 31, 2023. $9.07M.
Oct 31, 2022. $12.27M.
Aug 31, 2022. $352.81M.
May 31, 2022. $731.22M
Jan 31, 2022. $599.36M
Oct 31, 2021. $298.64M
Aug 31, 2021 $392.30M
May 31, 2021. $420.17M
Jan 31, 2021. $335.97M
Oct 31, 2020. $321.70M
Aug 31, 2020. $298.15M
May 31, 2020. $431.84M
Jan 31, 2020. $431.83M
Oct 31, 2019. $12.19M
Aug 31, 2019. $37.20M
May 31, 2019. $20.19M

Notice anything regarding Covid?

#14 | Posted by Danforth at 2024-08-29 12:48 AM

@#13 ... Two. Percent. Net. Profit. Margin.

This is so ridiculous. ...

I'll ask again...

What is ridiculous about Kroger execs being able to only obtain (as your current alias asserts without substantiation) a 2% profit margin when they seem to admit that they have price gouged their customers?

#15 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-08-29 12:50 AM

@#14 ... Notice anything regarding Covid? ...

Ya know, you are starting to become annoying with your focus upon facts.

And I thank you for that focus.

#16 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-08-29 12:52 AM

Notice anything regarding Covid?

Bought a lot of stock with that Covid relief cash, didn't they?

#17 | Posted by REDIAL at 2024-08-29 12:55 AM

If this were true, the simple fix would be to stop buying groceries at Kroger.

#18 | Posted by lfthndthrds at 2024-08-29 12:15 PM

Price gouging is how Kroger got the money to buy Albertson's.

#19 | Posted by AlternateFacts at 2024-08-29 12:32 PM

"Yup, Kroger can, and apparently did, raise their prices to and even past the point of greedflation. Which is why the FTC is looking out for consumers, and trying to block Kroger from getting even more of a footprint across the Country and subjecting more consumer to their apparent price gouging policies."

Dude, I really like you. I just wish you knew economics.

There is no such thing as "greedflation." Not really. I could "gouge" my employer and tell them that they needed to pay three times my going salary if they wanted my labor. Who knows...maybe they would. But far more likely is they would not buy my labor, and instead buy it from someone who is charging less.

It's the same with grocery stores. And more accurately, it's the same with commodities.

Whole Foods charges far more than Kroger. FAR, FAR more. Should they be regulated under the same concept as well?

#20 | Posted by madbomber at 2024-08-29 01:21 PM

"If Kroger is only able to maintain a 2% margin, as your current alias asserts without reference (quelle surprise), what does that say about the management of Kroger?"

It's the industry writ large. I posted something on this a few weeks ago IRT Harri's price-gouging control plan.

2% is actually really good. Most grocery stores range ~1.5%. They're basically dealing with commodities, so they don't have much room for product differentiation. The exceptions being chains like Whole Foods or Trader Joes.

#21 | Posted by madbomber at 2024-08-29 01:25 PM

I see that the imaginary Free Hand of the Market is stroking MB's ------- again.

#22 | Posted by Corky at 2024-08-29 01:32 PM

Inflation rose 14% during a national emergency but corporate profits rose 74%?

Yeah. I'd say that needs to be investigated.

#23 | Posted by donnerboy at 2024-08-29 01:32 PM

There is no such thing as "greedflation." Not really. I could "gouge" my employer and tell them that they needed to pay three times my going salary if they wanted my labor. Who knows...maybe they would. But far more likely is they would not buy my labor, and instead buy it from someone who is charging less.

#20 | Posted by madbomber

So replacing a grocery store is as easy as replacing an employee?

My area has 15,000 people with one grocery store. The next nearest is 30 miles away and tiny.

#24 | Posted by Sycophant at 2024-08-29 01:33 PM

It's the industry writ large. I posted something on this a few weeks ago IRT Harri's price-gouging control plan.
2% is actually really good. Most grocery stores range ~1.5%. They're basically dealing with commodities, so they don't have much room for product differentiation. The exceptions being chains like Whole Foods or Trader Joes.

#21 | Posted by madbomber

This I'm with you on.

I worked in a grocery store during college. If we were pulling a 2% average, the execs would be getting huge bonuses and new cars.

#25 | Posted by Sycophant at 2024-08-29 01:34 PM

If this were true, the simple fix would be to stop buying groceries at Kroger.

#18 | Posted by lfthndthrds

This dolt doubts something is true even after the perpetrator admits it.

Were you aware that fox news admitted they intentionally lied to you about imaginary election fraud?

#26 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2024-08-29 01:37 PM

Huge industries love to express their profits in percentages rather than actual amounts.

It makes them look like they are barely surviving on small amounts, when actually they are gouging customers given their huge profit amounts.

#27 | Posted by Corky at 2024-08-29 01:38 PM

If this were true, the simple fix would be to stop buying groceries at Kroger.
#18 | Posted by lfthndthrds

If the proposed merger happens between Kroger and Albertsons, two companies (Kroger and Walmart) will allegedly control distribution of about 70 percent of the groceries sold in the US. How is it going to matter where you buy groceries anymore when there is practically no competition? Some "free market"!

#28 | Posted by Whatsleft at 2024-08-29 02:10 PM

Did they raise prices beyond their customers' willingness to pay?

#29 | Posted by visitor_ at 2024-08-29 02:12 PM

#29

Perhaps it would be better if you asked: -Did they raise prices beyond their customers willingness to eat?-

#30 | Posted by Whatsleft at 2024-08-29 02:20 PM

This dolt doubts something is true even after the perpetrator admits it.

Were you aware that fox news admitted they intentionally lied to you about imaginary election fraud?

#26 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2024-08-29 01:37 PM | Reply | Flag:

Hey Dumbass, you can only gouge people who are willing to participate. Were you stupid enough to give your money to Kroger's? Anyone who doesn't do their homework on pricing deserves what they get for blindly handing over their money.

#31 | Posted by lfthndthrds at 2024-08-29 02:33 PM

Anyone who doesn't do their homework on pricing deserves what they get for blindly handing over their money.

#31 | Posted by lfthndthrds

Yes single mothers and dads working 3 jobs should spend their time researching grocery story profit margins instead of getting sleep or caring for their children.

Republican values - rip off the working class as much as possible, and make it their full time job to avoid your scams or else it's their fault.

#32 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2024-08-29 02:40 PM

Why do people need to work three jobs? Kamala told us Bidenomics was working.

#33 | Posted by visitor_ at 2024-08-29 02:50 PM

Why do people need to work three jobs? Kamala told us Bidenomics was working.

#33 | Posted by visitor_

You're right. Until biden came along no one ever struggled and it rained free gasoline from the sky.

#34 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2024-08-29 03:03 PM

and it rained free gasoline from the sky.

Thank God Biden put a stop to that.

Between the gasoline rains and unraked forests, California wildfires were out of control.

#35 | Posted by ClownShack at 2024-08-29 03:37 PM

Why do people need to work three jobs?

It's a combination of Republicans constantly voting against raising the minimum wage and Republicans constantly voting to give the wealthy tax cuts.

Sometimes I wonder whether you've ever lived in America. Based on the majority of your post, you seem clueless

#36 | Posted by ClownShack at 2024-08-29 03:40 PM

the simple fix would be to stop buying groceries at Kroger.
#18 | Posted by lfthndturds

Considering Kroger is the biggest chain of grocery stores in America. Considering in some places access to grocery stores are extremely limited. Your "solution" doesn't seem well thought out.

Much to no one's surprise

Keep swallowing your ivermectin.

#37 | Posted by ClownShack at 2024-08-29 03:45 PM

Anyone that does grocery shopping on a regular basis will eventually learn which store has best prices, best deli, best produce, etc.

Foe example, Whole Foods is also called Whole Paycheck.

#38 | Posted by visitor_ at 2024-08-29 03:51 PM

Anyone that does grocery shopping on a regular basis will eventually learn which store has best prices, best deli, best produce, etc.

#38 | Posted by visitor_

Republican logic "everyone else should live their way I do or else they're doing it wrong"

#39 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2024-08-29 04:04 PM

This is the first time I've heard that value shopping is only for Republicans.

#40 | Posted by visitor_ at 2024-08-29 04:09 PM

Anyone that does grocery shopping on a regular basis will eventually learn which store has best prices, best deli, best produce, etc.

Maybe. Sometimes you don't have the option to driving 60 miles to purchase food that hasn't been overpriced.

You just sound like a spoiled, entitled person living in a city.

#41 | Posted by ClownShack at 2024-08-29 04:27 PM

- a spoiled, entitled person living in a city.

One of the below is the ID Pic from Visitor's Profile:

media-cldnry.s-nbcnews.com

#42 | Posted by Corky at 2024-08-29 04:35 PM

Nearest town of any size(population 9800) is 28 miles away.

#43 | Posted by visitor_ at 2024-08-29 04:42 PM

Whole Foods here is cheaper than Publix for frozen vegetables. You have to divide the cost by the weight to find out because Publix has 10-12 oz bags, Whole Foods has 14-16 oz bags. The produce is also better and priced lower in general, or slightly higher for some things. Publix, however, does BOGOs, so for those items it can be cheaper.
Fish and meat, I prefer Whole Foods, hands down.
The generic organic staples are also cheaper at Whole Foods.

I keep two lists, one for WF and one for Publix.

I'm probably one of those spoiled people Clownshack was talking about... ;-)

#44 | Posted by YAV at 2024-08-29 04:42 PM

You use math to determine the best value? That's racist.

#45 | Posted by visitor_ at 2024-08-29 04:47 PM

I'm probably one of those spoiled people Clownshack was talking about... ;-)

So am I.

I have two Ralph's, a Jon's market, two Vallartas, a Whole Foods, Amazon fresh, Aldis, a small Russian market, a few Iranian markets, a Jewish deli, an Italian market, a Korean market ... all within 15 minutes or less from my place.

Definitely spoiled with options.

#46 | Posted by ClownShack at 2024-08-29 04:51 PM

That sounds wonderful!

#47 | Posted by YAV at 2024-08-29 04:52 PM

I'm definitely not mad at it.

I hear of places being food deserts and it sounds horrible.

#48 | Posted by ClownShack at 2024-08-29 05:01 PM

Definitely spoiled with options.

Must be nice. I have one store that is usually about 80% stocked. Other than that, it's at an hour trip to another store that's not much better.

#49 | Posted by REDIAL at 2024-08-29 05:12 PM

#32 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2024-08-29 02:40 PM | Reply | Flag:
#41 | Posted by ClownShack at 2024-08-29 04:27 PM | Reply |

bUt KrOgErS iS tHe OnLy sToRe iN tOwN!!!

As long as they don't collude with all the other stores they can charge as much as they want... Who bitches when Whole foods sells $25 dollar chickens?

#50 | Posted by lfthndthrds at 2024-08-29 05:14 PM

Bunch of broke right wingers defending rich right wingers' ability to rip them off during a pandemic.

#51 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2024-08-29 05:37 PM

#51

"Strewth!"

#52 | Posted by Corky at 2024-08-29 06:08 PM

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Kroger Egg Pricing Turns Merger Trial Into Inflation Fight

I don't think this merger should be approved, but for reasons very different than mythical "gouging" of their customers.

If all FTC lawyers have is that on a given day/week at a given location/region on a given food item (eggs) the prices haven't been lowered "enough," when Walmart lowered it by $0.14 [more], then they are only making Kroger's case for merger and should be laughed out of court... so I hope FTC will bring real, much better and less "populist, sensational" arguments. What about days/weeks when Kroger had average egg prices lower than this or other grocers in the area?

Kroger has more than 2,400 grocery stores which typically carry over 45,000 SKUs, over 40 manufacturing plants, and 17 regional retail divisions, with buyers guided by Kroger's Merchandising Group (KMG) in Cincinnati about regional demographics and preferences, to ensure that those products are always available in local stores.

Inflation always causes "record profits" in $ terms, not the other way around - don't need MBA to understand why:

libertystreeteconomics.newyorkfed.org - What Was Up with Grocery Prices? July 16, 2024

|------- New York Fed analysis - written before Harris' "anti-gouging" comments - showed rising profit margins aren't to blame.
Research by Thomas Klitgaard, PhD, laid the blame on two factors.

One was the huge spike in agricultural and livestock prices. "... grocery prices seem to only respond noticeably when commodity prices make big moves, like the jumps in 2008 and 2011 and the collapse in 2015. The rationale is that there are many other input costs dictating food prices so it takes unusual swings in commodity prices to affect grocery prices."

... Part of the reason was Russia's war against Ukraine, which hurt fertilizer supplies as well as wheat supplies.

The other factor behind the surge in food prices was the large wage increases for grocery workers. Since 2019, industry wages have risen by 15 percentage points more than those in the food-manufacturing sector, or than the workforce as a whole.

... "... significant moderation in food inflation since the start of 2023 is due to still-high wage inflation for grocery workers being offset by the retreat in commodity prices."
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Stock buybacks are just good money management by CFOs - market interest rates were near 0% due to Fed's NZIRP QE, so most profitable companies were buying back stock because it provided higher ROR than cash "in the bank." Buybacks with profits they couldn't reinvest in products or expansion were giving them (and shareholders) >3% after-tax ROR instead of near 0% (if not negative) in cash.

Warren Buffett's Berkshire-Hathaway routinely buys back stock when it can't invest cash more profitably, and to shrink the "natural dilution" - does that mean all the companies who buy back stock are "gouging" their customers and/or engage in "predatory" behavior?

Look at the pitiful condition of so many "dollar stores" or any but the largest "discounters" (Walmart or Target) who have/had much higher margins than Kroger (lowest in the industry at GM 20% / NM 1.4%):

99c Stores (40% / -7%) is bankrupt and closed more than 300 stores (170 of them were acquired by Dollar Tree),
Big Lots (33% / -10%) was worth more than $2B in 2021 but will soon go bankrupt and shut down about 1,400 stores,
Dollar Tree is shutting down 1,000 stores ...

... while Target and Walmart bought up the inventory and use targeted discounts and loss-leaders to pick up "dollar stores" share of growing number of "downsizing" penny-pinching middle-class consumers, hit by inflation and high level of credit debt.
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#53 | Posted by CutiePie at 2024-08-30 06:49 AM

In response to #2 Madbomber...

Madbomber is one of those unfortunate GOP peeps (who I have encountered throughout my life ad nauseum),
who watched the 1980's hit 'Wall Street' and the infamous character Gordon Gecko (played outstandingly by Michael Douglas)
who took his famous line 'Greed is Good', literally...

I've seen this strain of GOPer many times b4,
and they all think the same. They are all what
I call 'Evangelical Capitalists', and truly believe
that the 'haves' should have, and the 'have nots' don't
deserve a dime or an ounce of pity.

This brutal philosophy all harkens back to Ayn Rand and her books
'Atlas Shrugged' and 'Fountainhead', which brainwashed a generation of GOPers
into thinking that the rich SHOULD dominate others, and that the poor were UNWORTHY
of their time or efforts. It is an utterly failed and despotic philosophy...

#54 | Posted by earthmuse at 2024-08-30 08:17 AM

In response to #54 Earthmuse

Earthmuse is one of those morons who prove with every post they have absolutely no understanding of basic economics

Companies don't price their goods or services based on what "they need". They base it on what they can get in the current environment.

I didn't see Mad paise Kroger for this but rather point it it's a economic reality. Earthmuse will have to do some research on that concept because he/she doesn't understand it. at all...

Clearly, it's politically a slippery slope when grocery stores start inflating the costs of milk, eggs, bread, etc...essential items everyone needs. This is in stark contrast to makers of boats, or ATVs or some other non-essential items for people of limited means. (although I saw folks of limited means go buy those items when they were handed stimulus money during the pandemic)

All of the retailers did this. Not just Kroger.

Nobody is saying greed is good...they're saying greed is greed (Again, referencing a movie about Wall Street is funny.....becuase again....Earthmuse didn't understand what Gekko was actually saying)

It's the way it is. Yesterday, today, and tomorrow. It's not morality....it's capitalism. It's being pointed out. That's not the same thing as being defended.

#55 | Posted by eberly at 2024-08-30 08:39 AM

Republican logic "everyone else should live their way I do or else they're doing it wrong"

#39 | Posted by SpeakSoftly

Funny coming from someone who consistently runs down anybody for living in a "red state --------".

#56 | Posted by eberly at 2024-08-30 08:40 AM

You just sound like a spoiled, entitled person living in a city.

#41 | Posted by ClownShack

IOW........you're describing yourself

#57 | Posted by eberly at 2024-08-30 08:41 AM

lol. You are a funny guy Mr. Trickle Down Eberly.
Keep on grasping the failed paradigm...

The GOP Economic Model is an unmitigated disaster,
always has been.

#58 | Posted by earthmuse at 2024-08-30 09:48 AM

58

way to completely run from the subject matter to throw some other kind of spitwad, little fella.

#59 | Posted by eberly at 2024-08-30 09:53 AM

GOP driven 'Greedonomics' (which is what Trickle Down/Supplied Side Economics truly is)
has created nothing but the destruction of a large portion of the Middle Class in this
country and an unparalleled gulf in the disparity between the Rich and the Poor.

Never has it been so uneven. And the majority of the thanks can go to the huge
tax breaks for millionaires and billionaires that Trickle Down and 50 years of repetitive
GOP Economic policies (5 tax breaks for millionaires and billionaires that GOP Presidents have ushered in).

Time and time again, if you look at the history of the votes, at the history of who voted for which bill when, concerning the economy, the GOP has ALWAYS acted in the favor and the interests of the monied classes, and corporations, and banks.

I could argue w Eberly or another (true believer) Republican, until I'm blue in the face.
But I won't. We are all (well most of us) are adults here. Google it. Look it up. Do the research.

You find out I am right.

#60 | Posted by earthmuse at 2024-08-30 09:58 AM

-Keep on grasping the failed paradigm...

what failed paradigm? do you know what that means?

Kroger raised prices more than what inflation drove and made more profit. From a PR perspective, they blamed it on inflation but it was an opportunity to make more. Period.

Is that the "failed paradigm" you're referencing?

#61 | Posted by eberly at 2024-08-30 10:02 AM

And Eberly, if you were in front of me, you would get utterly destroyed in under one minute.

Run back now to your country club, to your Lion's League, or your Elks Lodge, or whatever monied hole of bluebloods you trust fund babies crawl out of to periodically spit your vitriol and venom.

Fly away now little taint. Fly away now.

p.s. Oh, and have fun watching Trump get destroyed this November...

#62 | Posted by earthmuse at 2024-08-30 10:03 AM

-I could argue w Eberly or another (true believer) Republican, until I'm blue in the face.

LOL

#63 | Posted by eberly at 2024-08-30 10:03 AM

-And Eberly, if you were in front of me, you would get utterly destroyed in under one minute.

destroyed? are you trying to be taken seriously? Please......stop.

#64 | Posted by eberly at 2024-08-30 10:04 AM

-Run back now to your country club, to your Lion's League, or your Elks Lodge, or whatever monied hole of bluebloods you trust fund babies crawl out of to periodically spit your vitriol and venom.

Good grief. Holy -----.

You are seeing a whole team of therapists, aren't you? That is a -------- of rage poured into a single sentence.

#65 | Posted by eberly at 2024-08-30 10:06 AM

-But I won't

Yes, and the reason is obvious.

#66 | Posted by eberly at 2024-08-30 10:07 AM

-Oh, and have fun watching Trump get destroyed this November...

I will.

You literally have gotten everything wrong about me that's possible to get wrong.

seriously. everything wrong.

nothing right...whatsoever.

#67 | Posted by eberly at 2024-08-30 10:08 AM

what failed paradigm?

Trickle down economics. Cutting taxes for the wealthy does NOT increase tax revenues, nor does the increased revenue received by the wealthy reach the lower rungs of society - which is the crux of the trickle down argument in the first place.

Every single time the GOP has cut taxes at the top end our deficits/debt has increased and no corresponding increase in income has been realized by the working class.

#68 | Posted by tonyroma at 2024-08-30 10:09 AM

68

And how does one inject "trickle down" into a discussion about how much more Earthmuse pays for her Ramen noodles?

Other than to point out it's really trickle up economics....which I completely agree with, BTW.

#69 | Posted by eberly at 2024-08-30 10:13 AM

and under what tax structure would Kroger, and every other retailer, NOT do what they've been doing?

Some of you people sold your cars, and your homes for significantly more than you would have in 2020.

Are you guilty of what Kroger did? I'd say you probably are....considering the accusation is phrased as "Kroger hiked prices more than needed"

so did every homeowner. They sold their home for more than they needed. Whatever the hell "needed" means.

#70 | Posted by eberly at 2024-08-30 10:25 AM

The Democrats are longing for breadlines, they don't want food readily available to everyone so they now have to attack grocery stores

#71 | Posted by THEBULL at 2024-08-30 10:57 AM

The Democrats are longing for breadlines, they don't want food readily available to everyone so they now have to attack grocery stores

#71 | Posted by THEBULL

Texan here.

We already have food lines here every weekend at the free food bank. Welcome to a state with a poor safety net, sky high rental rates, sky high energy costs, dismal education, dismal healthcare, and low paying jobs.

We've had these lines for years and years.

#72 | Posted by Sycophant at 2024-08-30 11:17 AM

"One of those chains is Kroger, which has stores throughout the U.S. but none in New York. "

Hmm the biggest chain?

#73 | Posted by phesterOBoyle at 2024-08-30 01:48 PM

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#72 | Posted by Sycophant at 2024-08-30 11:17 AM
Texan here. We already have food lines here every weekend at the free food bank. Welcome to a state with a poor safety net, sky high rental rates, sky high energy costs, dismal education, dismal healthcare, and low paying jobs. We've had these lines for years and years.

Take a drive along Pacific Coast through California, Oregon, Washington, "rich" states with supposedly "rich safety nets."

You will see long lines every day at the free food banks and other charities, druggies and homeless tents/encampments everywhere, "sky high rental rates, sky high energy costs, dismal education, dismal healthcare, and [high and] low paying jobs [and some of the highest unemployment and under-employment in the nation]." And they've had these [issues] for years and years, and they are not getting better.

We only see what we want to see where we want to see it - something about "confirmation bias" and particular form of "color blindness" when it comes to perception of "red" and "blue" colors.
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#74 | Posted by CutiePie at 2024-08-30 08:46 PM

#54

What does any of that have to do with pricing? If a grocery store is selling a product for $n, but the market value is greater than $n, then someone is going to make money on that delta. Does it piss you off that someone might make money this way, or just the grocery stores?

#75 | Posted by madbomber at 2024-08-31 06:46 AM

"Trickle down economics. Cutting taxes for the wealthy does NOT increase tax revenues, nor does the increased revenue received by the wealthy reach the lower rungs of society - which is the crux of the trickle down argument in the first place."

You're an adorably ignorant little scamp.

The Reagan Tax cuts did a few significant things. First, it increased the percentage of the tax burden that was being carried by high income earners. It also reduced the burden on lower income earners. It also, literally resulted in increased tax revenues.

If Reagan had had a (D) behind his name, you'd be celebrating him as a champion of progressive economic policy.

...or maybe not. Government control of the distribution of wealth has always been a cornerstone of progressive policy. Just because the distribution was progressive in nature does not mean it was done so under the control of a progressive administration.

Maybe it's not the outcome that is important to progressives, but rather the processes that lead to the outcome.

#76 | Posted by madbomber at 2024-08-31 01:20 PM

"You are seeing a whole team of therapists, aren't you?"

The only thing Earthmuse is seeing is a bottle. This individual seems to relish in their ignorance.

#77 | Posted by madbomber at 2024-08-31 01:21 PM

"What does any of that have to do with pricing?"

Human greed has everything to do with it.

That's why there is no such thing as a "free market".

#78 | Posted by donnerboy at 2024-08-31 02:04 PM

" The Reagan Tax cuts did a few significant things. First, it increased the percentage of the tax burden that was being carried by high income earners"

When rates are cut, but the folks at the top end up paying a LARGER chunk, that means EVEN MORE wealth was concentrated at the top.

"It also reduced the burden on lower income earners."

Not necessarily. Also: doubtful, since Reagan starting taxing unemployment, and stopped allowing credit interest to be deducted. He also put a 2% of AGI exclusion on Employee Expenses. Why 2%? So it would effectively eliminate the deduction of Union dues. (Trump raised that 2% exclusion to 100%)

"It also, literally resulted in increased tax revenues."

The guy who made that claim (Tax Cuts Increase Revenue!) was WSJ Editorial Board member Steven Moore, one of the dumbest people ever, and an advisor for the Trump code.

Turns out the claim was based on nominal dollars, not real dollars.

Year A: $1 Trillion revenue. Year B, a tax cut. Years B,C,D = under $1T; year E = $1T + $1 revenue. ("See? Tax Cuts Raise Revenue!")

No accounting for inflation, or population growth.

It's the type of basic error that'll get you flunked out of an Econ 101 midterm.

#79 | Posted by Danforth at 2024-08-31 02:51 PM

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