Saturday, October 19, 2024

Military Members Turning Against the USA

The U.S. military trained him in explosives and battlefield tactics. Now the Iraq War veteran and enlisted National Guard member was calling for taking up arms against police and government officials in his own country.

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This kind of rhetoric is all over X.

Hard to tell how much it is bot traffic to make the real accounts feel more mainstream, but there are multiple influencers I know are real pushing this.

#1 | Posted by jpw at 2024-10-17 01:46 PM

While we know that Trump hates the military, we should be grateful because it could have been worse.

#2 | Posted by Hans at 2024-10-17 02:01 PM

Is that what 5240.1 was about?

I'm more concerned with all the "enemy from within" talk that the Lumpers keep espousing, all the while there was a codification of a DOD directive 5240.1
Under their administration they've manipulated the law to allow lethal military force inside the US.
x.com

#3 | Posted by oneironaut at 2024-10-17 02:42 PM

#3 | Posted by oneironaut at 2024-10-17 02:42 PM | Reply | Flag: (CHOOSE)

#4 | Posted by Hans at 2024-10-17 02:48 PM

This stuff has been going on for a long time. The problem is it is now on the web platforms. A friend ended up on a watchlist because she was asked if she wanted to go with some folks to a camping retreat. Turns out it was a lot darker than that. The feds were monitoring who was coming and going and more... Apparently it was a group of folks full of violent revolution rhetoric and such. This was almost 20 years ago now. This woman is much more a hippie "Peace & Love" type. I don't know how she ended up hanging around people like that.

#5 | Posted by GalaxiePete at 2024-10-17 03:07 PM

#3 | Posted by oneironaut

5240.1? Ronald Raygun EO from 1982? MAGAts can't even get it straight. They are talking 5240.1 when they mean the updated version 5240.01 which updates and reissues it. 5240.01 was originally Bush the Lessor's order. It was just reissued by Biden and released TO THE PUBLIC. So the product of to Republicans is now suddenly suspect in your mind?

I am not sure what that Xitter post and your post are about really.

#6 | Posted by GalaxiePete at 2024-10-17 03:17 PM

Are you Carlos? Only 11 views on that Xit.

#7 | Posted by GalaxiePete at 2024-10-17 03:18 PM

oneironut gets his news from some guy in a basement tweeting.

#8 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2024-10-17 03:20 PM

" I'm more concerned with all the "enemy from within" talk that the Lumpers keep espousing"

What a coincidence.

I'm more concerned with traitors who refuse to admit insurrectionists were already INSIDE the Capitol when Trump started his speech on the ellipse.

#9 | Posted by Danforth at 2024-10-17 03:39 PM

Jeffy's losing it.

#10 | Posted by LegallyYourDead at 2024-10-17 04:24 PM

" I'm more concerned with all the "enemy from within" talk that the Lumpers keep espousing"
What a coincidence.
I'm more concerned with traitors who refuse to admit insurrectionists were already INSIDE the Capitol when Trump started his speech on the ellipse.
#9 | Posted by Danforth at 2024-10-17 03:39 PM | Reply | Flag:| Newsworthy 1

National Guard were requested seven times, and the Pentagon refused seven times.

#11 | Posted by redlightrobot at 2024-10-17 05:51 PM

"National Guard were requested seven times"

Military Times disagrees:
www.militarytimes.com

Regardless, how does that affect my statement?

Oh, right ... it doesn't.

#12 | Posted by Danforth at 2024-10-17 06:29 PM

"National Guard were requested seven times"
Military Times disagrees:
www.militarytimes.com
Regardless, how does that affect my statement?
Oh, right ... it doesn't.
#12 | Posted by Danforth at 2024-10-17 06:29 PM

Ex-Capitol Police Chief Says Requests For National Guard Denied 6 Times In Riots January 11, 2021

Sund told the Post that House Sergeant-at-Arms Paul Irving was concerned with the "optics" of declaring an emergency ahead of the protests and rejected a National Guard presence. He says Senate Sergeant-at-Arms Michael Stenger recommended that he informally request the Guard to be ready in case it was needed to maintain security.

Like Sund, Irving and Stenger have also since resigned their posts.

Sund says he requested assistance six times ahead of and during the attack on the Capitol. Each of those requests was denied or delayed, he says.

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The Capitol Police contingent, which numbered around 1,400 that day, was quickly overrun by the estimated 8,000 rioters.

"If we would have had the National Guard we could have held them at bay longer, until more officers from our partner agencies could arrive," he says.

Sund says during a conference call with several law enforcement officials at about 2:26 p.m., he asked the Pentagon to provide backup.

Senior Army official Lt. Gen. Walter E. Piatt, director of the Army Staff, said on the call he couldn't recommend that Army Secretary Ryan McCarthy authorize deployment, Sund and others on the call told the Post. Piatt reportedly said, "I don't like the visual of the National Guard standing a police line with the Capitol in the background," the Post reported.

It would be more than three hours before any National Guard troops arrived, well after the damage at the Capitol had been done.

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#13 | Posted by redlightrobot at 2024-10-18 02:50 AM

Absolute liars': Ex-D.C. Guard official says generals lied to Congress about Jan. 6 12/06/2021

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In a 36-page memo, Col. Earl Matthews, who held high-level National Security Council and Pentagon roles during the Trump administration, slams the Pentagon's inspector general for what he calls an error-riddled report that protects a top Army official who argued against sending the National Guard to the Capitol on Jan. 6, delaying the insurrection response for hours.

Matthews' memo, sent to the Jan. 6 select committee this month and obtained by POLITICO, includes detailed recollections of the insurrection response as it calls two Army generals " Gen. Charles Flynn, who served as deputy chief of staff for operations on Jan. 6, and Lt. Gen. Walter Piatt, the director of Army staff " "absolute and unmitigated liars" for their characterization of the events of that day. Matthews has never publicly discussed the chaos of the Capitol siege.

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"Every leader in the D.C. Guard wanted to respond and knew they could respond to the riot at the seat of government" before they were given clearance to do so on Jan. 6, Matthews' memo reads. Instead, he said, D.C. guard officials "set [sic] stunned watching in the Armory" during the first hours of the attack on Congress during its certification of the 2020 election results.

Matthews' memo levels major accusations: that Flynn and Piatt lied to Congress about their response to pleas for the D.C. Guard to quickly be deployed on Jan. 6; that the Pentagon inspector general's November report on Army leadership's response to the attack was "replete with factual inaccuracies"; and that the Army has created its own closely held revisionist document about the Capitol riot that's "worthy of the best Stalinist or North Korea propagandist."

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Flynn, now the commanding general of the U.S. Army Pacific, and Piatt didn't respond to messages.

#14 | Posted by redlightrobot at 2024-10-18 02:50 AM

The Cheney/Rumsfeld legacy at the DoD comes home to roost.

#15 | Posted by morris at 2024-10-18 12:54 PM

#14

You've already been exposed, pal.

Nobody cares.

#16 | Posted by LegallyYourDead at 2024-10-18 10:30 PM

@#2 ...While we know ...

Do "we" know that?

#17 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-10-18 11:07 PM

"...your current alias..."

So, just what was may alias before June 16, 2005?

You know, 19 years ago?

#18 | Posted by Hans at 2024-10-18 11:08 PM

members? member. and I bet he suddenly thinks he knows what libertarianism is. Of course he doesn't if that's the case.

#19 | Posted by ichiro at 2024-10-20 02:12 AM

We need to stop pretending that military service is patriotic.

#20 | Posted by Angrydad at 2024-10-20 01:00 PM

Standing in the North Carolina woods, Chris Arthur warned about a coming civil war. Videos he posted publicly on YouTube bore titles such as "The End of America or the Next Revolutionary War." In his telling, the U.S. was falling into chaos and there would be only one way to survive: kill or be killed.

Arthur was posting during a surge of far-right extremism in the years leading up to the Jan. 6 attack on the U.S. Capitol.

Whattabout Ray Epps?

~ MAGA -------- ~

#21 | Posted by reinheitsgebot at 2024-10-20 01:20 PM

That's a hell of a disturbing article, GalaxiePete. Some real wackos out there.

Of course, we've always had the occasional violent loner. Now they come together over social media and are aided and abetted daily by Trump, Musk and the right-wing media in this country, many of whom willingly accept propaganda funding from the Russian government.

#22 | Posted by cbob at 2024-10-20 03:33 PM

We need to stop pretending that military service is patriotic. AngryDad, what year is your cut off?
There are history revisionists on the right that are saying the Greatest Generation was duped and on the wrong side.
www.theatlantic.com

#23 | Posted by mattm at 2024-10-20 08:45 PM

I'm more concerned with traitors who refuse to admit insurrectionists were already INSIDE the Capitol when Trump started his speech on the ellipse.
It's been reported that Jack Smith identified 77 people as PCC. Supposedly, PCC stands for either "private" co-conspirator or "political" co-conspirator. If it means "political", it's easy to understand why so many republicans adhere to the big lie and will do whatever it takes to get Trump re-elected.

Not only is Trump running to stay out of prison, he is running to keep a lot of republicans out of prison. If Trump wins, those 77 will be on their knees, willing to do anything, hoping for a pardon.

#24 | Posted by FedUpWithPols at 2024-10-21 07:22 AM

When one political party (in this case Democrat) schemes with big tech and insiders in government (letter signers) to lie and block facts and the Hunter Biden laptop etc evidence, purposely to impact and win the 2020 election as was done, it is conclusive evidence that we do have "enemies from within" from one party.

This is not theory or conspiracy or conjecture it is factual. The actions of these power hungry Democrats will destroy our democracy. Evil comes from those doing it not from those who recognize it. Dems want one party government.

Evidence is widely available under "Hunter Biden laptop coverup conspiracy and effect on 2020 election"

#25 | Posted by Robson at 2024-10-21 10:56 AM

"National Guard were requested seven times, and the Pentagon refused seven times."

National Guard units report to state governors. The Washington D.C. national Guard reports to the president. Depending on whom in the Pentagon you are referring to, National Guard members would have to be on title 10 orders for the regular military to deploy them. And that's beside the Posse Comitatus concerns.

#26 | Posted by madbomber at 2024-10-21 11:03 AM

"Hunter Biden laptop coverup conspiracy and effect on 2020 election"

#25 | POSTED BY ROBSON

Russian disinformation, just like you.

#27 | Posted by Zed at 2024-10-21 11:33 AM

Trump is quite impressive because he does interesting helpful and hopeful to America things like going to western North Carolina and meeting with average Americans in distress, or participating in Al Smith Dinner and roasting elites.

On the other hand Kamala does another interview about hating and hyping Trump with Liz Cheney. Both of these women must practice furrowing their brow while speaking hate, thinking it makes them look impressive. It is ALL they do.

#28 | Posted by Robson at 2024-10-21 12:52 PM

I am not sure what that Xitter post and your post are about really.

#6 | POSTED BY GALAXIEPETE

Sowing confusion chaos and dissent and undermining democracy in America.

#29 | Posted by donnerboy at 2024-10-21 02:40 PM

"going to western North Carolina and meeting with average Americans in distress ... "

He is a private citizen and a billionaire and what did he do to help them with all his billions?

Use them as background props in an ad for his misinformation campaign.

#30 | Posted by donnerboy at 2024-10-21 02:46 PM

Anytime a spotlight and sunlight is shone on incompetence and failure of the political class and bureaucracy of any party it is a good thing for society. It is an incentive to just do the $%#@ing job correctly with diligence. Some Democrats strangely have a difficult time understanding that only because they need and prefer the default cover-up. Just saying, look at "Binder" the know nothing the clown giving press briefings that leaves the public and press with mostly unanswered questions.

#31 | Posted by Robson at 2024-10-21 06:30 PM

It's amazing how many, and how large, lies Trumpers can inhale with every breath.

It's like their BS meter has been been hacked by Russians.

#32 | Posted by Corky at 2024-10-21 06:47 PM

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