Saturday, October 19, 2024

Military Members Turning Against the USA

The U.S. military trained him in explosives and battlefield tactics. Now the Iraq War veteran and enlisted National Guard member was calling for taking up arms against police and government officials in his own country.

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This kind of rhetoric is all over X.

Hard to tell how much it is bot traffic to make the real accounts feel more mainstream, but there are multiple influencers I know are real pushing this.

#1 | Posted by jpw at 2024-10-17 01:46 PM

While we know that Trump hates the military, we should be grateful because it could have been worse.

#2 | Posted by Hans at 2024-10-17 02:01 PM

Is that what 5240.1 was about?

I'm more concerned with all the "enemy from within" talk that the Lumpers keep espousing, all the while there was a codification of a DOD directive 5240.1
Under their administration they've manipulated the law to allow lethal military force inside the US.
x.com

#3 | Posted by oneironaut at 2024-10-17 02:42 PM

#3 | Posted by oneironaut at 2024-10-17 02:42 PM | Reply | Flag: (CHOOSE)

#4 | Posted by Hans at 2024-10-17 02:48 PM

This stuff has been going on for a long time. The problem is it is now on the web platforms. A friend ended up on a watchlist because she was asked if she wanted to go with some folks to a camping retreat. Turns out it was a lot darker than that. The feds were monitoring who was coming and going and more... Apparently it was a group of folks full of violent revolution rhetoric and such. This was almost 20 years ago now. This woman is much more a hippie "Peace & Love" type. I don't know how she ended up hanging around people like that.

#5 | Posted by GalaxiePete at 2024-10-17 03:07 PM

#3 | Posted by oneironaut

5240.1? Ronald Raygun EO from 1982? MAGAts can't even get it straight. They are talking 5240.1 when they mean the updated version 5240.01 which updates and reissues it. 5240.01 was originally Bush the Lessor's order. It was just reissued by Biden and released TO THE PUBLIC. So the product of to Republicans is now suddenly suspect in your mind?

I am not sure what that Xitter post and your post are about really.

#6 | Posted by GalaxiePete at 2024-10-17 03:17 PM

Are you Carlos? Only 11 views on that Xit.

#7 | Posted by GalaxiePete at 2024-10-17 03:18 PM

oneironut gets his news from some guy in a basement tweeting.

#8 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2024-10-17 03:20 PM

" I'm more concerned with all the "enemy from within" talk that the Lumpers keep espousing"

What a coincidence.

I'm more concerned with traitors who refuse to admit insurrectionists were already INSIDE the Capitol when Trump started his speech on the ellipse.

#9 | Posted by Danforth at 2024-10-17 03:39 PM

Jeffy's losing it.

#10 | Posted by LegallyYourDead at 2024-10-17 04:24 PM

" I'm more concerned with all the "enemy from within" talk that the Lumpers keep espousing"
What a coincidence.
I'm more concerned with traitors who refuse to admit insurrectionists were already INSIDE the Capitol when Trump started his speech on the ellipse.
#9 | Posted by Danforth at 2024-10-17 03:39 PM | Reply | Flag:| Newsworthy 1

National Guard were requested seven times, and the Pentagon refused seven times.

#11 | Posted by redlightrobot at 2024-10-17 05:51 PM

"National Guard were requested seven times"

Military Times disagrees:
www.militarytimes.com

Regardless, how does that affect my statement?

Oh, right ... it doesn't.

#12 | Posted by Danforth at 2024-10-17 06:29 PM

"National Guard were requested seven times"
Military Times disagrees:
www.militarytimes.com
Regardless, how does that affect my statement?
Oh, right ... it doesn't.
#12 | Posted by Danforth at 2024-10-17 06:29 PM

Ex-Capitol Police Chief Says Requests For National Guard Denied 6 Times In Riots January 11, 2021

Sund told the Post that House Sergeant-at-Arms Paul Irving was concerned with the "optics" of declaring an emergency ahead of the protests and rejected a National Guard presence. He says Senate Sergeant-at-Arms Michael Stenger recommended that he informally request the Guard to be ready in case it was needed to maintain security.

Like Sund, Irving and Stenger have also since resigned their posts.

Sund says he requested assistance six times ahead of and during the attack on the Capitol. Each of those requests was denied or delayed, he says.

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The Capitol Police contingent, which numbered around 1,400 that day, was quickly overrun by the estimated 8,000 rioters.

"If we would have had the National Guard we could have held them at bay longer, until more officers from our partner agencies could arrive," he says.

Sund says during a conference call with several law enforcement officials at about 2:26 p.m., he asked the Pentagon to provide backup.

Senior Army official Lt. Gen. Walter E. Piatt, director of the Army Staff, said on the call he couldn't recommend that Army Secretary Ryan McCarthy authorize deployment, Sund and others on the call told the Post. Piatt reportedly said, "I don't like the visual of the National Guard standing a police line with the Capitol in the background," the Post reported.

It would be more than three hours before any National Guard troops arrived, well after the damage at the Capitol had been done.

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#13 | Posted by redlightrobot at 2024-10-18 02:50 AM

Absolute liars': Ex-D.C. Guard official says generals lied to Congress about Jan. 6 12/06/2021

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In a 36-page memo, Col. Earl Matthews, who held high-level National Security Council and Pentagon roles during the Trump administration, slams the Pentagon's inspector general for what he calls an error-riddled report that protects a top Army official who argued against sending the National Guard to the Capitol on Jan. 6, delaying the insurrection response for hours.

Matthews' memo, sent to the Jan. 6 select committee this month and obtained by POLITICO, includes detailed recollections of the insurrection response as it calls two Army generals " Gen. Charles Flynn, who served as deputy chief of staff for operations on Jan. 6, and Lt. Gen. Walter Piatt, the director of Army staff " "absolute and unmitigated liars" for their characterization of the events of that day. Matthews has never publicly discussed the chaos of the Capitol siege.

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"Every leader in the D.C. Guard wanted to respond and knew they could respond to the riot at the seat of government" before they were given clearance to do so on Jan. 6, Matthews' memo reads. Instead, he said, D.C. guard officials "set [sic] stunned watching in the Armory" during the first hours of the attack on Congress during its certification of the 2020 election results.

Matthews' memo levels major accusations: that Flynn and Piatt lied to Congress about their response to pleas for the D.C. Guard to quickly be deployed on Jan. 6; that the Pentagon inspector general's November report on Army leadership's response to the attack was "replete with factual inaccuracies"; and that the Army has created its own closely held revisionist document about the Capitol riot that's "worthy of the best Stalinist or North Korea propagandist."

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Flynn, now the commanding general of the U.S. Army Pacific, and Piatt didn't respond to messages.

#14 | Posted by redlightrobot at 2024-10-18 02:50 AM

The Cheney/Rumsfeld legacy at the DoD comes home to roost.

#15 | Posted by morris at 2024-10-18 12:54 PM

#14

You've already been exposed, pal.

Nobody cares.

#16 | Posted by LegallyYourDead at 2024-10-18 10:30 PM

@#2 ...While we know ...

Do "we" know that?

#17 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-10-18 11:07 PM

"...your current alias..."

So, just what was may alias before June 16, 2005?

You know, 19 years ago?

#18 | Posted by Hans at 2024-10-18 11:08 PM

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