Tuesday, December 17, 2024

Member of Secretive Christian Sect Sentenced to 120 Years

An ABC News yearlong investigation into the 2x2 Church, a Christian sect so secretive most people have never heard of it, has uncovered allegations of widespread child sexual abuse and subsequent coverups.

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Raymond Zwiefelhofer, CEO of Worldox, and 'elder' of the 2x2 Church, has been sentenced to 120 years in prison. He was found guilty of possession of child rape media. Cynthia Liles, a investigator says, "2x2 Church has a significant problem with child [rape]" "It's systemic." #opdeatheaters

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More: "In total, there were 87 files that were determined to be child sexual abuse material or sometimes known as child pornography," Catherine --, a Maricopa Deputy County Attorney, told ABC News. "The 10 charged files were a combination of photos and videos, and they were all depicting children under the age of 15 engaged in either exploitive exhibition or sexual conduct."

#1 | Posted by qcp at 2024-12-16 08:54 AM

Obviously the "Christian" part is just a cover.

#2 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2024-12-16 09:13 AM

Obviously the "Christian" part is just a cover.

#2 | Posted by BillJohnson

Really? That's always the excuse.

Given how often this happens to "Christian" groups, there must be no real Christian churches or organizations in the US at all.

Wait, don't you call yourself a Christian, Bill?

#3 | Posted by Sycophant at 2024-12-16 10:20 AM

"He was a tech CEO in Arizona..."

Well, that's a shocker!

#4 | Posted by Corky at 2024-12-16 10:57 AM

www.aetv.com

Hope it doesn't turn out to be something like this.

#5 | Posted by mattm at 2024-12-16 12:07 PM

Hope it doesn't turn out to be something like this.

I still hear that idiocy from that original hoax/mass hysteria repeated today. I even have people argue with me and tell me it all really happened (the satanic abuse nonsense part).

#6 | Posted by YAV at 2024-12-16 12:14 PM

Raymond Zwiefelhofer was convicted of 10 counts of possessing child sexual abuse material and was sentenced to 120 years in prison last month.

Leon welcomes degenerates like this on twitter.

#7 | Posted by reinheitsgebot at 2024-12-16 12:51 PM

Obviously the "Christian" part is just a cover.

#2 | Posted by BillJohnson

Really? That's always the excuse.

#3 | Posted by Sycophant at 2024-12-16 10:20 AM | Reply

I guess you think these sickos should just make their official name "Child Trafficking Sex Cult"

#8 | Posted by lfthndthrds at 2024-12-16 12:56 PM

Zwiefelhofer will qualify for Trump's Cabinet after he's Pardoned.

#9 | Posted by Corky at 2024-12-16 12:58 PM

He'd qualify before a pardon too.

#10 | Posted by qcp at 2024-12-16 01:13 PM

... these sickos should just make their official name "Child Trafficking Sex Cult"
#8 | POSTED BY LFTHNDTURDS

"Christian" pretty much sums up: "Child Trafficking Sex Cult".

#11 | Posted by ClownShack at 2024-12-16 01:24 PM

You won't see Deplorable Trumping MAGAts condemning this.

Because these are who Deplorable Trumping MAGAts are.

Pedophiles and rapists.

Matt Gaetz is living proof.

#12 | Posted by ClownShack at 2024-12-16 01:27 PM

The same jackholes who painted all teachers as pedophiles don't care about actual pedophilia.

#13 | Posted by ClownShack at 2024-12-16 01:59 PM

I guess you think these sickos should just make their official name "Child Trafficking Sex Cult"

I think that name is already taken by the Catholic Church.

#14 | Posted by YAV at 2024-12-16 02:03 PM

more '---------- for Geebus'.
same old nutters,
same old story.

#16 | Posted by earthmuse at 2024-12-17 12:09 PM

Obviously the "Christian" part is just a cover.

#2 | Posted by BillJohnson

Really? That's always the excuse.

#3 | Posted by Sycophant at 2024-12-16 10:20 AM | Reply

I guess you think these sickos should just make their official name "Child Trafficking Sex Cult"

#8 | POSTED BY LFTHNDTHRDS

The name "Republican Party" was already taken.

#18 | Posted by donnerboy at 2024-12-17 01:19 PM

Great. The justice system worked.

Now lets do Islam.

#19 | Posted by boaz at 2024-12-18 09:29 AM

Great. The justice system worked.

Now lets do Islam.

#19 | Posted by boaz

They already do and far more often. Muslims don't get to hide behind the Christian religion "good vibes" garbage in America.

If you had ever been near the Court system, especially in small town America, you'd know being a "good Christian" often gets a lighter sentence or dismissal. Social Services will often just ignore outright child abuse claiming someone is a good Christian and wouldn't do that.

#20 | Posted by Sycophant at 2024-12-18 10:14 AM

Sy,

"Social Services will often just ignore outright child abuse claiming someone is a good Christian and wouldn't do that."

That seems like a pretty generalized statement. Social services are legally required to investigate all reports of child abuse, no matter someone's religion.

While individual biases might happen, I don't think it's fair to say they routinely ignore abuse just because someone is a 'good Christian.'

Do you have any specific examples?

#21 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2024-12-18 03:03 PM

Sy,

"Muslims don't get to hide behind the Christian religion "good vibes" garbage in America."

Personally, I've never associated Islam with 'good vibes' anyway so I'm not sure what point you're making.

#22 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2024-12-18 03:07 PM

Muslims don't get to hide behind the Christian religion "good vibes" garbage in America."

Personally, I've never associated Islam with 'good vibes' anyway so I'm not sure what point you're making.

Posted by BillJohnson at 2024-12-18 03:07 PM | Reply

Jews Christians and Muslims worship the same God so I don't know what the problem is.

#23 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2024-12-18 03:18 PM

Sy,

"Social Services will often just ignore outright child abuse claiming someone is a good Christian and wouldn't do that."

That seems like a pretty generalized statement. Social services are legally required to investigate all reports of child abuse, no matter someone's religion.

While individual biases might happen, I don't think it's fair to say they routinely ignore abuse just because someone is a 'good Christian.'

Do you have any specific examples?

#21 | Posted by BillJohnson

Proof you've never worked with small town Social Services. Welcome to the Real World.

#24 | Posted by Sycophant at 2024-12-18 03:25 PM

Trump voters are allergic to the real world.

#25 | Posted by ClownShack at 2024-12-18 03:29 PM

Jews Christians and Muslims worship the same God so I don't know what the problem is.

Religious conservatives are easily manipulated people.

I mean, you have to be to believe a fairytale as fact.

Besides, it's abundantly clear none of these people understand Christianity anyway.

#26 | Posted by ClownShack at 2024-12-18 03:36 PM

Personally, I've never associated Islam with 'good vibes' anyway so I'm not sure what point you're making.

#22 | POSTED BY BILLJOHNSON

Maybe stop assuming all Muslims are terrorists and we won't assume that all Christian's are xenophobic white nationalist child abusers.

Deal?

#27 | Posted by donnerboy at 2024-12-18 03:38 PM

Donner,

"Maybe stop assuming all Muslims are terrorists and we won't assume that all Christian's are xenophobic white nationalist child abusers."

You're stereotyping me while lecturing me about stereotypes.

#28 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2024-12-18 03:46 PM

BullJohnson, you are a stereotype.

#29 | Posted by ClownShack at 2024-12-18 03:48 PM

Re 28

So no deal then?

I figured as much.

Ok then.

You Christian's are definitely not giving me a good vibe then!

#30 | Posted by donnerboy at 2024-12-18 03:57 PM

Personally, I've never associated Islam with 'good vibes' anyway so I'm not sure what point you're making.

Posted by BillJohnson

This statements still bothers me.

And so I gotta ask.

Do you actually know anything about any religion outside of your own? Like Laura said ... You literally worship the same God as Muslims.

#31 | Posted by donnerboy at 2024-12-18 04:07 PM

Sy,

"Muslims don't get to hide behind the Christian religion "good vibes" garbage in America."

Personally, I've never associated Islam with 'good vibes' anyway so I'm not sure what point you're making.

#22 | Posted by BillJohnson

Exactly.

You just proved it.

Christians = Good Vibes, Let them Go

But not Muslims.

Good job, Bill!

#32 | Posted by Sycophant at 2024-12-18 04:23 PM

Muslims have great vibes... here's some now in Iraq:

www.youtube.com

(go to 14 min in if you want)

#33 | Posted by Corky at 2024-12-18 04:28 PM

Vibes?

I always get the worst vibes from Trumpers.

They're always angry and stupid.

#34 | Posted by ClownShack at 2024-12-18 04:31 PM

"You just proved it. Christians = Good Vibes, Let them Go. But not Muslims. "

BillJohnson has also admitted he believes the 5x/day Muslim call to prayer sounds "ugly". When I pointed out my Catholic Church rang the prayer bells at 6, 7, 8, noon, and 6pm, he excused it due to the beauty.

#35 | Posted by Danforth at 2024-12-18 04:31 PM

Dan,

I don't believe I've said anything about anyone's bells on any posts.

It's for each community to decide.

#36 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2024-12-18 04:51 PM

I drink Chai tea. Some in my kitchen right now.

So what?

#37 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2024-12-18 04:59 PM

That last post was for Corky.

#38 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2024-12-18 05:00 PM

- It's for each community to decide.

"Communist!!"

Next you'll be approving of public sidewalks... and God Forbid, public roads, schools, library, police, emt, fire... the next thing you know, you would have... all the things Trumpers appear to hate about America.

I mean, Trump's not stocking the Swamp with regular people with experience and competence.

#39 | Posted by Corky at 2024-12-18 05:04 PM

Corky,

Trump didn't ask my opinion on his selections.

#40 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2024-12-18 05:13 PM

you gave him approval with your vote, stupid.

#41 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2024-12-18 05:16 PM

BJ

If drinking tea was all you got out of that lunch with strangers who's language you really don't speak is all you got out of that video.... then I don't know what to tell you, boy.

I was in Linares Mexico once, college days with a friend from that town and another Texan.

At a party I was introduced to a couple of the aunts who didn't speak English, but after we were a bit frustrated by it, she said what were apparently the few words of English she knew... she said, "Such if life!", sounding like some little Jewish mother.

And that was memorable. It was a vibe.

#42 | Posted by Corky at 2024-12-18 05:20 PM

"Such IS life" lol

#43 | Posted by Corky at 2024-12-18 05:22 PM

Besides which:

Trump Is Getting Scarier

www.youtube.com

#44 | Posted by Corky at 2024-12-18 05:25 PM

Corky,

You said jump to 14 so I did.

It was 30 min long.

#45 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2024-12-18 05:40 PM

"It's for each community to decide."

You were complaining about the sound of the Muslim call to prayer, especially FIVE TIMES a day.

I pointed out my Church's steeple was rung 5x day (6 on Sunday), and nobody ever complained. You pretended that was different.

#46 | Posted by Danforth at 2024-12-18 05:47 PM

Dan,

"You were complaining about the sound of the Muslim call to prayer, especially FIVE TIMES a day."

I wouldn't complain about hearing it five times a day.

I wouldn't want to hear it all. You must be confusing me with someone else.

#47 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2024-12-18 08:00 PM

Dan,

I have a theory.

Atheists and liberals (most of who have negative feelings about Christianity) probably wouldn't mind hearing Muslim noises that are considered requirements as part of that religion.

But likely would have a fit about Christian related worshipping that might make noises everyone has to hear.

#48 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2024-12-18 08:05 PM

... has uncovered allegations of widespread child sexual abuse and subsequent coverups. ...

OK, yet another case of sexual abuse in a Christian Church.

When will such abuse by Christians stop?


#49 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-12-18 08:50 PM

Lamp,

You're saying there isn't sexual abuse elsewhere?

People just say any old s*** thinking they're being witty.

#50 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2024-12-18 09:04 PM

@#50 ... You're saying there isn't sexual abuse elsewhere? ...

Oh, sexual abuse is all around. Just look at the Pres-elect Trump nominees.

But for this thread, I am asking why does the chaste Christian movement seem to attract, and try to hide, such behavior?


#51 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-12-18 09:18 PM

BillJohnson sits on his mound of shht justifying sexual abuse.

This is how cults work.

#52 | Posted by ClownShack at 2024-12-18 09:33 PM

Lamp,

"But for this thread, I am asking why does the chaste Christian movement seem to attract, and try to hide, such behavior?"

Only the ones in the news and not the millions and millions of Christians who don't.

#53 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2024-12-18 09:45 PM

Atheists and liberals (most of who have negative feelings about Christianity) probably wouldn't mind hearing Muslim noises that are considered requirements as part of that religion.

But likely would have a fit about Christian related worshipping that might make noises everyone has to hear.

#48 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2024-12-18 08:05 PM | Reply

You just pull any ole thing out of your hiney don't you BillJohnson?? You don't have a cogent rebuttal so you'll make something up out of whole cloth. Seek help NOW.

#54 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2024-12-18 09:47 PM

Clown,

People often use the word "cult" loosely. I don't generally use the term often myself. Who am I to discern the difference?

I acknowledge that there are groups that call themselves Christian but exhibit the characteristics of true cults.

That said, even within respected Christian churches, some Christians (mostly ultra-conservative) label Mormons or Catholics as members of cults.

A group that uses the Christian label and sexually abuses anyone isn't even a cult.

It is blasphemy.

#55 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2024-12-18 10:03 PM

Laura,

Is it correct?

Would you be less concerned or upset with hearing Muslim call to prayer all day than you would hearing Christian singing or whatever blasted over the speakers for all to hear?

Can you just answer the question?

Just yes or no.

Would you be more inclined to accept hearing Muslim's worshipping than Christians in your daily life?

#56 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2024-12-18 10:09 PM

Is it correct?

Would you be less concerned or upset with hearing Muslim call to prayer all day than you would hearing Christian singing or whatever blasted over the speakers for all to hear?

Can you just answer the question?

Just yes or no.

Would you be more inclined to accept hearing Muslim's worshipping than Christians in your daily life?

Posted by BillJohnson at 2024-12-18 10:09 PM | Reply

I could care less. Neither affects me on a personal basis. So no I wouldn't care. Have at it. It's no different than hearing the bands playing at the Kansas State Fair from my vantage point.

#57 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2024-12-18 10:15 PM

@#53 ... Only the ones in the news and not the millions and millions of Christians who don't. ...

I do not disagree.

But the ones being accused and convicted seem to be leaders ("elders") within the Christian movement.

And if that is what the leaders are doing ...


#58 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-12-18 10:20 PM

Hey all you Rapists and Child Molesters! Just hang on until January and you sick freaks will be pardoned by one of the sickest freaks in history!!

#59 | Posted by LegallyYourDead at 2024-12-18 11:26 PM

@#59

Well, yeah.

But, what else yer got?


#60 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-12-18 11:49 PM

I am asking why does the chaste Christian movement seem to attract, and try to hide, such behavior?


Because these predators know that hiding under the title "youth pastor", "minister" or "priest" gives them free and easy access to "troubled" youths to abuse because of the brainwashing of society to believe the sky man cults are moral and good.

The predators are also attracted to teaching, coaching, scouting etc...but many of those require background checks which expose them as such these days.

I've seen more and more law enforcement officers hiding behind their badges to be sexual predators as well.

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