Trump Tax Bill Will Cut Medicare

Wednesday, May 21, 2025

Trump's huge tax bill will force major cuts to to Medicare, impacting the healthcare of millions of American's, the Congressional Budget Office projected. Most American's over age 65 use Medicare as their main health insurance.

Posted by retort at 03:41 PM | 104 COMMENTS | permalink

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Of course it will cut medicare. Rich people don't need it and they are the only ones who count.

"We now live in the Trump era, where the president's terrible ideas are made real by a team of enablers and toadies. Democracy may die in darkness, but under Trump, it's just as liable to die in dumbness."

Bret Stephens, New York Times.

#1 | Posted by SomebodyElse at 2025-05-21 03:51 PM

Vote R, get a knife in the back (unless you have bucks). Congrats rural knuckle draggers.

#2 | Posted by Brennnn at 2025-05-21 03:51 PM

Oligarchs needs them some tax cuts! I mean, the Top 10 US billionaires only increased their wealth by 1 billion DOLLARS A DAY each day in the last year.

They might starve if we don't cut Medicare!

#3 | Posted by Corky at 2025-05-21 04:17 PM

#4 | Posted by C0RI0LANUS at 2025-05-21 04:23 PM

EXPECT NO RIGHT WINGERS.

#5 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2025-05-21 04:33 PM

Alexandrite: Wrongo Boingo. Expect RIGHT WINGERS to show up after they get their talking points. Expect their comments to all be lies, rationalizations, strawmen, and finger-pointing at Biden. I would guess SCOTTS to be the first one up.

The truth is, the GOP has been lying to us all along about not cutting Medicare. And boy oh boy, most Americans are going to be really, really pissed.

#6 | Posted by moder8 at 2025-05-21 04:37 PM

Keep your government hands off my Medicare.

#7 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2025-05-21 04:42 PM

"And boy oh boy, most Americans are going to be really, really pissed."

Well, they are going to suspend habeas corpus. They can get as pissed as they want, and it will be off to the Salvadoran terrorist prison for them. Womp womp.

#8 | Posted by dibblda at 2025-05-21 04:52 PM

after they get their talking point

Two days then.

#9 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2025-05-21 05:10 PM

Rural hospitals are already closing by the score, and any further cuts will only hasten their demise. Not to mention the impact it will have on our seniors.

Everything Trump does seems designed intentionally to weaken America - our health, our environment, our economy, our status as the leader in research, our protection from disasters, our relationships with our allies, our global standing, and pretty much every other measure of a country's quality of life.

Look folks, none of us gets out of here alive. While we're on this earth, we have an obligation to not be heartless dicks to one another.

#10 | Posted by cbob at 2025-05-21 05:35 PM

#10:

#11 | Posted by C0RI0LANUS at 2025-05-21 05:40 PM

Could someone articulate exactly what cuts to medicare are in the bill? I can't find anything specific.
All I see are references to the pay-as-you-go act being 'triggered', which adds only another layer of vagueness, since that act has been law for 15 years.

The Statutory Pay-As-You-Go Act of 2010, Title I of H.J.Res. 45, is a public law passed by the 111th United States Congress and signed by US President Barack Obama on February 12, 2010.

#12 | Posted by itchyp at 2025-05-21 05:49 PM

"Could someone articulate exactly what cuts to medicare are in the bill?"

The commitment to slash SO MUCH SPENDING it's impossible mathematically to do it without slashing Medicare and Medicaid.

But you voted for this, right? That's what the President is telling you.

#13 | Posted by Danforth at 2025-05-21 05:57 PM

It seems that PAYGO would be satisfied by cutting extraneous spending in other programs, why would it entail cutting specifically medicare?
Even if medicare were cut by 5%, that would affect providers more than recipients. For instance, 'laura''s nursing home would only get 4750.00 per month instead of 5000.00.
Aside from that, we could also cut spending on foreign woke boondoggles which benefit only very small demographics of people that are not even Americans in the first place. We could save a lot by not giving away bombs to foreign nations. We could apply deficit limits to overseas spending first, before we have to consider cuts to domestic spending. Hell if we stop paying zelensky so much then medicare would not be affected at all...

#14 | Posted by itchyp at 2025-05-21 06:05 PM

...slashing Medicare and Medicaid.
#13 | Posted by Danforth

Medicaid, I understand, is not actually '"slashed", but made contingent upon a work requirement for able-bodied adults. I think you are putting apples and oranges together.

#15 | Posted by itchyp at 2025-05-21 06:09 PM

p.s. you didn't articulate exactly what cuts to medicare are in the bill.
Anyone?

#16 | Posted by itchyp at 2025-05-21 06:11 PM

So I'm thinking there really is not anything in the bill about medicare per se. Which makes OPs headline a lie, and indicates the flow of democrat angst is actually an act, in support of another irrational propaganda operation. If any medicare spending is modulated it would be because of obama's PAYGO act, not trump's big shiny bill.

#17 | Posted by itchyp at 2025-05-21 06:41 PM

The cuts amount to about $500 billion, automatically triggered by the statutory pay-as-you-go ... since none of you Trumper fascists are honest, you can check out the CBO. You can channel your inner Charlie Kirk or Ben Shapiro all you want, but nobody is going to do the work for you. How about you explain to us how Medicare is untouched by this budget bill instead?

You voted for this, hope you're happy.

#18 | Posted by chuffy at 2025-05-21 06:46 PM

If you're unable to perform Google searches that extend beyond your Russian propaganda outlets, read this.

#19 | Posted by chuffy at 2025-05-21 06:51 PM

PDF here

#20 | Posted by chuffy at 2025-05-21 06:54 PM

So I'm thinking there really is not anything in the bill about medicare per se. Which makes OPs headline a lie, and indicates the flow of democrat angst is actually an act, in support of another irrational propaganda operation. If any medicare spending is modulated it would be because of obama's PAYGO act, not trump's big shiny bill.
#17 | Posted by itchyp at 2025-05-21 06:41 PM

What percentage of recipients are children unable to work? It's near 50%, btw.

This will definitively cut Medicare for millions of children, at minimum.

#21 | Posted by redlightrobot at 2025-05-21 07:10 PM

Of course the new Republican tax bill cuts Medicare.
You'd have to be stupid to think Republicans wouldn't cut Medicare.

#22 | Posted by snoofy at 2025-05-21 07:14 PM

I do have to laugh at the Republicans who were sooo afraid of death panels. Guess what morons... The insurance companies ARE the death panels.

We could have had a universal healthcare system decades ago. But the private sector hates to lose its profits. Just to be clear, a for-profit healthcare system does not benefit the sick. It benefits the shareholders. This should be abundantly clear, as the Big -------- Bill did NOT go after the waste in Medicare Advantage.

#23 | Posted by Whatsleft at 2025-05-21 07:23 PM

Since Medicare is mostly administered by private insurance, the only thing most people will likely notice is more denials of things the program will claim as 'nonessential', much like how private insurance is already denying claims.
I do have to laugh at the Republicans who were sooo afraid of death panels. Guess what morons... The insurance companies ARE the death panels.
We could have had a universal healthcare system decades ago. But the private sector hates to lose its profits. Just to be clear, a for-profit healthcare system does not benefit the sick. It benefits the shareholders. This should be abundantly clear, as the Big -------- Bill did NOT go after the waste in Medicare Advantage.
#23 | Posted by Whatsleft at 2025-05-21 07:23 PM

Unfettered capitalism is parasitic.

COBRA is just pure venom, so aptly named.

So glad big medicine reaches only the exploitable.

#24 | Posted by redlightrobot at 2025-05-21 07:49 PM

#18, 19 | Posted by chuffy

You are so wrong about so many things at once here I don't really want to bother, but:
1- I'm not a "Trumper" or a "fascist"
2- I'm honest enough, please call me on a lie if you can, or dispense with your bad opinion
3- I'm not "channeling" anyone, and for that matter have never seen a single 'podcast' to refer to
4- Medicare is per se not impacted by the bill, as you noted any cuts would be due to Biden's PAYGO law
5- None of my snips are from any "russian propaganda" sites. Hint, you can google any of my snips to discover their source, since I pick them up directly instead of rephrasing them per agenda like your OPies here.
6- You have no idea how I voted, presuming says more about you than about me.

#25 | Posted by itchyp at 2025-05-21 08:42 PM

What percentage of recipients are children unable to work? It's near 50%, btw.

This will definitively cut Medicare for millions of children, at minimum.

#21 | Posted by redlightrobot

Citation needed. You may be confusing medicare vs medicaid.

As of October 2024, 37 million children in the U.S. were enrolled in Medicaid or CHIP. This includes children with disabilities or chronic health conditions and those living in working families with low incomes. The programs help children get the care they need to stay healthy in school and activities

If you have a child under the age of 20, they can only qualify for Medicare if they have End-Stage Renal Disease (ESRD). Additionally, to qualify for Medicare coverage, the child must: Need dialysis on a regular basis or require a kidney transplant.

#26 | Posted by itchyp at 2025-05-21 08:45 PM

We could have had a universal healthcare system decades ago. But the private sector hates to lose its profits. Just to be clear, a for-profit healthcare system does not benefit the sick. It benefits the shareholders. This should be abundantly clear, as the Big -------- Bill did NOT go after the waste in Medicare Advantage.

#23 | Posted by Whatsleft at 2025-05-21 07:23 PM | Reply | Flag:* BIG Bump

#27 | Posted by itchyp at 2025-05-21 08:46 PM

This will definitively cut Medicare for millions of children, at minimum.

#21 | Posted by redlightrobot

repeating for emphasis,

Medicare is a federal health insurance program for people age 65 or older. People younger than age 65 with certain disabilities, permanent kidney failure, or amyotrophic lateral sclerosis (ALS, also known as Lou Gehrig's disease), may also be eligible for Medicare.
Medicare - SSA
SSA
www.ssa.gov pubs<>

#28 | Posted by itchyp at 2025-05-21 08:49 PM

You are so wrong about so many things at once here I don't really want to bother, but:
1- I'm not a "Trumper" or a "fascist" - Sure, Jan.
2- I'm honest enough, please call me on a lie if you can, or dispense with your bad opinion - Intellectual dishonesty is a common trait of the don't-label-me/"Just asking qwestiuns" crowd.
3- I'm not "channeling" anyone, and for that matter have never seen a single 'podcast' to refer to - If you have never seen a single podcast', then how do you know you're not channeling them? You sound exactly like those guys.
4- Medicare is per se not impacted by the bill, as you noted any cuts would be due to Biden's PAYGO law - Obama was president when Congress implemented PAYGO in 2010. Deficits only matter when a Democrat is in the White House ... increasing the deficit isn't in the bill, per se ... it's just what happens when you stop collecting tax revenues and then spend like drunken sailors. Repubicans are bad for the economy.
5- None of my snips are from any "russian propaganda" sites. Hint, you can google any of my snips to discover their source, since I pick them up directly instead of rephrasing them per agenda like your OPies here. - Since your alias is only 3 months old, we don't have a lot of history. I'm sure your perspective is completely independent and the lockstep alignment with right wing media is purely coincidental.
6- You have no idea how I voted, presuming says more about you than about me. - You're right, I don't even know if you even vote. Looking at your comment history, however, I'm comfortable with my presumption.

#29 | Posted by chuffy at 2025-05-21 11:39 PM

Chuffy, you did your best to justify your generalizations and ad hominems, but those are by nature flawed and have little impact, rationally.

The only point of substance you mention is excess spending, but every time they try to cut spending, even on useless woke pet projects, the collective left screeches in agony.

"OMG he's spending like a drunken sailor! OMG orange!"
simultaneously,
"OMG he's cutting free money for LGBTQPEDO+ operas in West Bumblestan! OMG orange!"

There is definitively no way to satisfy the current crop of leftists.

#30 | Posted by itchyp at 2025-05-22 02:28 AM

"There is definitively no way to satisfy the current crop of leftists."

Then go on record, dude.

This tax bill borrows trillions and trillions, mostly to give away to the world's wealthiest 1%. Are you FOR that, or AGAINST it?

You were against Biden increasing the debt; are you against this as well? Or is this borrowing okay, because of the letter after the name?

Speak up now; no future bitching about deficits.

#31 | Posted by Danforth at 2025-05-22 02:56 AM

Haha, I was talking about GW Bush, who inherited a surplus and turned it into debt. Obama mostly righted the ship, until FDT blew it all up again ... then Biden dug us out and now here we are again.

That you used the word, "rationally," in your comment made me chuckle. Clearly, you have some unresolved issues surrounding your own sexuality, but I don't want to get into your hatred of people that make you uncomfortable. It's the Christofascist creep show of youth pastors and Repubican porn addicts that keep getting arrested for diddling minors, not drag queens.

I mean, the guy who bankrupted multiple casinos, was convicted of felony business fraud, is prohibited from operating charities because he stole from kids with cancer ... the list goes on endlessly ... THAT guy is the pinnacle of rational economic policy? Really? You don't sound rational at all.

You sound like a Libertarian. Easy to spot, because you open with a Socratic, reasonable argument and about 3 minutes in, the bat guano crazy comes out. Nobody can have a rational conversation with you because you are clearly not a serious person. Especially if you find merit in anything that the "bad orange man" is doing. That dude can't string two coherent sentences together due to his advanced dementia and malignant narcissism ...

You have fun creating new accounts, sock puppet. Defend your demented rapist cult leader if you must, but spare us all the laughable attempt to de-clownify Project 2025. It's better if you just own it. Go all-in with the crazy.

#32 | Posted by chuffy at 2025-05-22 04:08 AM

Squinting against the flac, I persist in providing salient facts to counter delusive narrative 'points':

>"Obama mostly righted the ship"

www.investopedia.com

5. Barack Obama (2009 to 2017)

When looking at which president added the most to the national debt in dollar amounts, President Barack Obama takes the lead.17

U.S. Treasury Fiscal Data. "Historical Debt Outstanding."
Obama's efforts to spur recovery from the Great Recession through his $832 billion stimulus package and $858 billion in tax cuts contributed to the rise of national debt during his presidency.
--
archive.is
apnews.com
CLAIM: Trump "ran up more debt than any other President in American history."
AP'S ASSESSMENT: That's incorrect. The debt incurred during the Trump era was very high. But in terms of raw dollars, the total debt rose more under former President Barack Obama, with Trump in second place " though Obama held office for two terms, while Trump served one.

#33 | Posted by itchyp at 2025-05-22 10:47 AM

National Debt Continued to Rise Under President Biden

The national debt increased by around $8.4 trillion during Biden's four years in office, largely driven by COVID-19 relief measures.22

U.S. Treasury Fiscal Data. "Debt to the Penny." Enter the dates "01/20/2021" and "01/20/2025."
According to estimates by the Congressional Budget Office (CBO), Biden's American Rescue Plan is projected to add $1.9 trillion to the national debt by 2031.

#34 | Posted by itchyp at 2025-05-22 10:48 AM

(you)
archive.is

#35 | Posted by itchyp at 2025-05-22 11:20 AM

Tell us you don't understand economics without telling us you don't understand economics ...

Someone is triggered, but it ain't me, LOL.

#36 | Posted by chuffy at 2025-05-22 11:33 AM

Another cultist who doesn't understand the difference between interest, debt and deficits. What a surprise.

#37 | Posted by chuffy at 2025-05-22 11:36 AM

I'm not paying Jeff Bezos another dime to read his schitty newspaper. But I will say this, we have a problem with work participation in America - and if you decide you don't want to work, then by all means suit yourself. But in the meantime, these able-bodied, younger people need to get off the government bennies. We shouldn't be providing healthcare for people still living with their parents who're too old for their parents to carry them on their health ins policies. Put the play station controller down and support yourself.

#38 | Posted by lfthndthrds at 2025-05-22 01:15 PM

What a fanciful tale you've crafted.

You really are a deplorable Trumping MAGAt.

#39 | Posted by ClownShack at 2025-05-22 01:18 PM

#36#37

You're talkin' a lot, but you're not sayin' anything

#40 | Posted by itchyp at 2025-05-22 01:37 PM

"But I will say this, we have a problem with work participation in America"

You, personally, don't work.

So what's the problem?

#41 | Posted by snoofy at 2025-05-22 01:52 PM

"But in terms of raw dollars, the total debt rose more under former President Barack Obama, with Trump in second place " though Obama held office for two terms, while Trump served one."

Trump is now in his second of two terms, though.

Go back and work up some new numbers.

#42 | Posted by snoofy at 2025-05-22 02:41 PM

You, personally, don't work.

So what's the problem?

#41 | POSTED BY SNOOFY AT 2025-05-22 01:52 PM | FLAG:

Liar

I work when I want to work. I also don't take money from the government. I have my own investments and cash flow plus, with my 80 points I get health care through my former employer. ---- you. Go back to the bathhouse and fluff someone for your drug money.

#43 | Posted by lfthndthrds at 2025-05-22 04:19 PM

"we have a problem with work participation in America"

Moments later:
"I work when I want to work."

#44 | Posted by snoofy at 2025-05-22 04:27 PM

"I have my own investments and cash flow"

There's your problem.
Not too many trust fund kids grow up to be productive workers.

#45 | Posted by snoofy at 2025-05-22 04:28 PM

"I work when I want to work"

Which must not be right now since "I get health care through my former employer."

You don't even have an employer!

#46 | Posted by snoofy at 2025-05-22 04:30 PM

"I have my own investments and cash flow"

Me too. The cash flow is called a paycheck. It shows up every two weeks in return for the work I do.

Your cash flow... isn't from working.

#47 | Posted by snoofy at 2025-05-22 04:31 PM

This will definitively cut Medicare for millions of children, at minimum.
#21 | Posted by redlightrobot
repeating for emphasis,
Medicare is a federal health insurance program for people age 65 or older. People younger than age 65 with certain disabilities, permanent kidney failure, or amyotrophic lateral sclerosis (ALS, also known as Lou Gehrig's disease), may also be eligible for Medicare.
Medicare - SSA
SSA
www.ssa.gov pubs
#28 | Posted by itchyp at 2025-05-21 08:49 PM

Arg, my derp. Thanks for the correction.

Doesn't PAYGO demand work requirements? If those children aren't working, I'm certain nanna gonna hafta.

#48 | Posted by redlightrobot at 2025-05-22 04:53 PM

Snoofy works the bath house and wants the rest of us to fund his medical lmao

#49 | Posted by lfthndthrds at 2025-05-22 05:59 PM

Anytime lfthndturds is confronted with a fact he can't dispute, he wanders off into his imaginary world of bath houses and truck stops.

I wouldn't be surprised to find the maximum allowable number of ------ in his trailer.

#50 | Posted by ClownShack at 2025-05-22 06:24 PM

------- doesn't know the difference between the deficit and the debt. It feels like the tea bag days of "keep your government hands off my Medicare" arguments all over again.

Get some new talking points, you MRGA losers.

#51 | Posted by chuffy at 2025-05-22 09:42 PM

Will someone post how medicare will be cut according to the headline?

I'd like to know for my benefit.

The only thing I've found is PAYGO put in during Obama. It doesn't cut Medicare benefits directly, but if Congress passes a bill that increases the deficit and doesn't offset the cost, it can trigger automatic cuts to Medicare provider payments thus potentially impacting access to services.

What else is there since someone posted this article that I can't read from the Washington Post behind a paywall.

Is this sort of fake news? It was Obama's time when PAYGO was passed.

Or are people just putting the blame on Trump for not reversing it?

#52 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2025-05-23 11:02 AM

" are people just putting the blame on Trump for not reversing it"

No, people are putting the blame on Trump for slashing programs which help average and poor people, so American can borrow trillions and trillions for the sole purpose of giving it away in tax cuts, mostly to the world's wealthiest 1%. Especially since ALL the slashing won't even pay for 1/10th of the new borrowing.

Or you FOR borrowing trillions to give away in new or expiring tax cuts, or AGAINST borrowing trillions for tax cuts?

As I pointed out yesterday on another thread, the waitress making $23K will see about $20 a week. Meanwhile, the average billionaire will save over $1 million a week.

For, or Against?

#53 | Posted by Danforth at 2025-05-23 11:24 AM

You deflected and didn't answer my question.

Does that mean the headline was a lie?

That's a relief.

#54 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2025-05-23 11:39 AM

"You deflected and didn't answer my question."

I told you WHY folks are upset with Trump.

So are you FOR or AGAINST the new borrowing for tax cuts?

#55 | Posted by Danforth at 2025-05-23 11:41 AM

"$8.4 trillion during Biden's four years in office, largely driven by COVID-19 relief measures"

So Biden is charged with cleaning up Trump's mess.

He's also charged for interest on the debt engineered by Dubya and the Republicans, and exacerbated by Trump and the Republicans.

Republican Math is a dangerous thing. Stay in school, kids!!!

#56 | Posted by Danforth at 2025-05-23 11:46 AM

"$8.4 trillion during Biden's four years in office"

What a riot.

Every single Republican will speak out against Biden's increasing the debt by trillions. But when asked if that means they're AGAINST the SAME DEFICITS, just racked up by Trump...

...they go dead silent.

The Tax Policy Center stated ~83% of the cost of Trump's tax cut would be going to the world's wealthiest 1%. There's no reason to believe 2.0 won't have the same ratios.

The 1% certainly don't pay 80% of the taxes; why are they getting over 80% of the tax breaks???

#57 | Posted by Danforth at 2025-05-23 11:56 AM

Dan,

I opened this thread because of the headline.

Apparently you have nothing to say.

#58 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2025-05-23 12:45 PM

"he wanders off into his imaginary world of bath houses and truck stops."

I don't think it's imaginary.
I think it's more like he's reminiscing his Glory Days.

#59 | Posted by snoofy at 2025-05-23 12:48 PM

" Apparently you have nothing to say."

I'm tired of explaining large math to people with no intention of self-education. Apparently you have nothing to learn.

"I opened this thread because of the headline."

Without reading the article.

#60 | Posted by Danforth at 2025-05-23 12:55 PM

-I opened this thread because of the headline.

Me too. How, exactly, is Medicare going to be cut according to this bill?

#61 | Posted by eberly at 2025-05-23 01:02 PM

www.statista.com

looks like we cut Medicare in 2015 and in 2021. The only 2 times since it's inception.

what is this bill aiming to do?

#62 | Posted by eberly at 2025-05-23 01:04 PM

-Without reading the article.

I can't read it.

#63 | Posted by eberly at 2025-05-23 01:05 PM

Since Republicans have a disability where they cannot find news items that they don't want to believe,

Here you go.

Trump's big, beautiful bill' will lead to Medicare cuts: CBO
thehill.com

The House GOP's "big, beautiful bill" will add so much money to the debt it will force across-the-board spending cuts to Medicare, according to the nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office (CBO).

CBO late Tuesday said the legislation will increase the debt by $2.3 trillion over 10 years. That will trigger as much as $500 billion in Medicare cuts starting as soon as 2026.

#64 | Posted by snoofy at 2025-05-23 01:06 PM

" How, exactly, is Medicare going to be cut according to this bill?"

Increased barriers, increased thresholds, and schlepping responsibilities to the states, knowing states will be forced to do Congress's dirty work.

It's probably all in the article we can't access.

#65 | Posted by Danforth at 2025-05-23 01:07 PM

Snoofy,

Not imaginary.

I worked at a bathhouse either mornings where I cleaned up the place from the night before or evenings as a cashier. I would press the door buzzer let members in and sell memberships and hand out towels. Men would go in back and put their clothes in lockers and wear only the towel wandering thru the halls.

This was pre-AIDS in a large city.

The things I saw going on (not participate) are nothing to reminisce about.

I escaped that culture. Sorry buddy. Those weren't the glory days.

#66 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2025-05-23 01:10 PM

" That will trigger as much as $500 billion in Medicare cuts starting as soon as 2026."

Some folks want to pretend Republicans don't know that fact.

Frankly, if they wanted something else in this bill, they would've put it in. This is either based on cold calculations, or gross ignorance.

I'll be a gentleman and let our resident water carriers tell us which it is.

#67 | Posted by Danforth at 2025-05-23 01:11 PM

"I can't read it."

The poster of the thread couldn't, either.

#68 | Posted by Danforth at 2025-05-23 01:15 PM

Now that they can read it,
they will leave the thread,
and come back tomorrow,
"what do you mean, cuts to Medicare?
Show us where that's in the bill!"

This is just what life is, when you're in a cult.

#69 | Posted by snoofy at 2025-05-23 01:17 PM

Snoofy,

When opportunities came along and I found myself the blessed recipient of answered prayers I ran for my life.

#70 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2025-05-23 01:20 PM

Dan,

There's plenty of places to get information.

#71 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2025-05-23 01:22 PM

" I found myself the blessed recipient of answered prayers"

Huh?

You gave up a chance to be with the love of your life.

Were you actually praying for THAT???

#72 | Posted by Danforth at 2025-05-23 01:24 PM

BillJohnson,

Your experience sounds like it was the opposite of LftHndThrds,
to whom I was addressing with the comment you used
to springboard into a trip down memory lane,
as an excuse to engage in some gay-bashing.

#73 | Posted by snoofy at 2025-05-23 01:24 PM

"There's plenty of places to get information."

Then why were you asking the question?

And who TF posts a thread without reading the article???

#74 | Posted by Danforth at 2025-05-23 01:27 PM

drudge.com

#75 | Posted by Corky at 2025-05-23 01:47 PM

"I'm not paying Jeff Bezos another dime to read his schitty newspaper."

If you are not smart enough to figure to get around the paywall you sure aren't smart enough to understand the complexities of SS, Medicare and disabled citizens.

archive.is

#76 | Posted by donnerboy at 2025-05-23 02:05 PM

Dan,

"And who TF posts a thread without reading the article???"

Someone posted a thread entitled "Trump Tax will cut Medicare".

I couldn't find any information supporting that so I asked up above...

Will someone post how medicare will be cut according to the headline since I couldn't find anything?

As usual it took off from there.

Bottomline, the headline was misleading (wrong).

#77 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2025-05-23 02:05 PM

"Current law requires the White House to "sequester" certain mandatory spending programs. Reductions in Medicare spending would be limited to 4 percent annually " or an estimated $45 billion for fiscal 2026.

The cuts would total roughly $490 billion over the 2027-2034 period."

at least that's a little more specific.

Thanks, Snoofy.

#78 | Posted by eberly at 2025-05-23 02:13 PM

I'm not paying Jeff Bezos another dime to read his schitty newspaper.

Jeff Bezos, the guy who attended Trump's inauguration and sat from row center, next to Musk and Zuckerberg.

His newspaper isn't good enough for deplorable Trumping MAGAts?

Is it because he's showing how much Trump's tariff games are costing the average American consumer?

#79 | Posted by ClownShack at 2025-05-23 02:15 PM

Medicare too once the deficits swell.

Where shrimpd*^% to tell us this is all a hoax?

#80 | Posted by jpw at 2025-05-23 03:17 PM

"Medicare too once the deficits swell."

Are you referring to the additional $500 billion that could be cut due to the deficit trigger that republicans are definitely going to pull? It's definitely all part of the unspoken results of the Plan.

When a legislative bill increases the deficit, it can trigger mandatory cuts to Medicare, known as sequestration, under the Statutory Pay-As-You-Go Act of 2010 (S-PAYGO). This law automatically reduces spending in programs that are not exempt, like Medicare, to offset the deficit increase. In 2026, a bill could trigger $45 billion in cuts to Medicare, with an additional $490 billion in cuts between 2027 and 2034. These cuts would be part of a broader reduction in spending across various programs.

#81 | Posted by donnerboy at 2025-05-23 03:42 PM

Donner,

You can thank Obama.

#82 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2025-05-23 06:35 PM

Bill Johnson:

#19, #20

Stop wasting other peoples's time feigning ignorance.

You wanted all of this. Congratulations, I hope it affects you as deeply as it does the victims of the felonious rapist you foisted on us all...

#83 | Posted by chuffy at 2025-05-23 11:17 PM

#82

No, we can thank the Repubican Party for finding clever ways to ruin us all.

#84 | Posted by chuffy at 2025-05-23 11:26 PM

"with my 80 points I get health care through my former employer."

What does that mean?

Nothing serious, I'm just curious. I'm a former Health Plan Trustee, and unfamiliar with that reference. Please explain.

Thanks.

#85 | Posted by Danforth at 2025-05-24 01:00 AM

Chuffed,

Talk about ignorance.

Other than repercussions to the PAYGO from Obamas time in office, how does Trumps tax bill cut Medicare.

I haven't seen an answer.

#86 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2025-05-24 09:31 AM

"how does Trumps tax bill cut Medicare."

He DIDN'T end PAYGO, and could have.

Every numbers person knows that'll trigger automatic cuts.

Trump and his advisors know that. Every Congressperson knows that. Every hospital administrator knows that. Every medical provider knows that.

It seems the only folks in denial are Republicans who don't want to admit reality.

#87 | Posted by Danforth at 2025-05-24 10:59 AM

BILLJOHNSON,

I can explain it to you, but I can't understand it for you.

Read the CBO PDF (comments 19&20 upthread). If you still can't figure it out, there's no point in engaging you.

#88 | Posted by chuffy at 2025-05-24 11:13 AM

I can't wait for folks who are not understanding how this will cut Medicare (among other things, it's a brutal bill) to twist themselves into pretzels trying to argue that it's the Democrats' fault.

FDT was right. He could shoot an infant on Fifth Avenue, then mutilate its corpse, feed it to a few Repubican Congressmen on live TV, and not lose a single voter.

#89 | Posted by chuffy at 2025-05-24 11:29 AM

I haven't seen an answer.

#86 | POSTED BY BILLJOHNSON

It's been pretty clearly explained. Several times. But you can't handle the answer you keep getting. You only want one that supports Trumpy lies.

Good luck with that.

#90 | Posted by donnerboy at 2025-05-24 11:31 AM

Donner,

Did more research...nope nothing in the Trump tax bill that cuts Medicare benefits like the headline says.

Actually, even PAYGO doesn't cut benefits. It reduces payments to doctors and hosptials.

Regardless...the Trump tax bill do not cut medicare benefits like the headline is saying.

It's the PAYGO enforcement mechanism, not the bill itself.

It's a waste of time expecting an answer from these liars.

#91 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2025-05-24 11:42 AM

Did more research...nope nothing in the Trump tax bill that cuts Medicare benefits like the headline says.

Headline is correct. Show us a link that proves Medicare will NOT be cut.

We showed you our work. We proved Medicare will be cut. However you want to define that. With links.

Show us YOUR work. (Links to fixed news and your butt don't count)

#92 | Posted by donnerboy at 2025-05-24 11:52 AM

"even PAYGO doesn't cut benefits. It reduces payments to doctors and hosptials."

Oh my god.

The stupid, it burns.

REDUCING PAYMENTS ARE CUTS.

#93 | Posted by Danforth at 2025-05-24 12:09 PM

BillJohnson,

Please reread #87 as many times as it takes to understand it.

#94 | Posted by Danforth at 2025-05-24 12:11 PM

"It's the PAYGO enforcement mechanism, not the bill itself."

If Trump wanted to end PAYGO, this was the perfect time.

The fact we still have PAYGO means Trump KNOWS this will happen.

#95 | Posted by Danforth at 2025-05-24 12:13 PM

-Without reading the article.

I can't read it.

#63 | POSTED BY EBERLY

You could if you wanted to. Do you want to?

#96 | Posted by donnerboy at 2025-05-24 12:17 PM

I don't think trump knows anything at this point.

The people around him do though.

#97 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2025-05-24 12:26 PM

Dan,

"If Trump wanted to end PAYGO, this was the perfect time."

I win...I win...

my post #52

Is this sort of fake news? It was Obama's time when PAYGO was passed.
Or are people just putting the blame on Trump for not reversing it?

I guess if all else fails you can blame someone and make it their fault if they don't change it.

btw...PAYGO was passed by Congress and not executive order.

#98 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2025-05-24 02:27 PM

Bottomline....the headline is fake.

Trump's tax bill did not cut medicare.

#99 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2025-05-24 02:29 PM

"if all else fails you can blame someone and make it their fault if they don't change it"

Trump's actions, or inactions, led to this.

Your only defense is everybody in Trump's administration is TOO STUPID to know how the equation works.

As I pointed out upthread, EVERYONE seems to know this except you.

And since you've been given links and explanations you STILL don't understand, you're clearly just as stupid as you pretend they are.

#100 | Posted by Danforth at 2025-05-24 02:42 PM

"PAYGO was passed by Congress"

So if Congress doesn't eliminate it, KNOWING what will have to happen ...

Which democrats will you blame then?

#101 | Posted by Danforth at 2025-05-24 02:44 PM

Dan,

Blaming or whose fault was never my question.

Simply...I asked what cuts to Medicare are in Trumps tax bill?

#102 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2025-05-24 03:18 PM

"The current Republican tax bill could cut $500 billion from Medicare " This bill just gets more and more cruel'

The nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office (CBO) estimated that the Republican budget bill under consideration would trigger about $500 billion in automatic cuts to Medicare, the program that provides health insurance to around 68 million older adults and people with disabilities."

www.marketwatch.com

Say, 'thank you!', BJ.

#103 | Posted by Corky at 2025-05-24 03:28 PM

Corky,

You're talking about projected triggered estimated payments reduced due to PAYGO if the deficit isn't covered.

Congress has historically acted to reduce PAYGO-induced spending cuts.

Again....there are no cuts to medicare in Trumps tax bill.

#104 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2025-05-24 03:46 PM

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