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Wednesday, May 21, 2025

Trump's huge tax bill will force major cuts to to Medicare, impacting the healthcare of millions of American's, the Congressional Budget Office projected. Most American's over age 65 use Medicare as their main health insurance.

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Of course it will cut medicare. Rich people don't need it and they are the only ones who count.

"We now live in the Trump era, where the president's terrible ideas are made real by a team of enablers and toadies. Democracy may die in darkness, but under Trump, it's just as liable to die in dumbness."

Bret Stephens, New York Times.

#1 | Posted by SomebodyElse at 2025-05-21 03:51 PM | Reply

Vote R, get a knife in the back (unless you have bucks). Congrats rural knuckle draggers.

#2 | Posted by Brennnn at 2025-05-21 03:51 PM | Reply

Oligarchs needs them some tax cuts! I mean, the Top 10 US billionaires only increased their wealth by 1 billion DOLLARS A DAY each day in the last year.

They might starve if we don't cut Medicare!

#3 | Posted by Corky at 2025-05-21 04:17 PM | Reply

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#4 | Posted by C0RI0LANUS at 2025-05-21 04:23 PM | Reply

EXPECT NO RIGHT WINGERS.

#5 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2025-05-21 04:33 PM | Reply

Alexandrite: Wrongo Boingo. Expect RIGHT WINGERS to show up after they get their talking points. Expect their comments to all be lies, rationalizations, strawmen, and finger-pointing at Biden. I would guess SCOTTS to be the first one up.

The truth is, the GOP has been lying to us all along about not cutting Medicare. And boy oh boy, most Americans are going to be really, really pissed.

#6 | Posted by moder8 at 2025-05-21 04:37 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Keep your government hands off my Medicare.

#7 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2025-05-21 04:42 PM | Reply

"And boy oh boy, most Americans are going to be really, really pissed."

Well, they are going to suspend habeas corpus. They can get as pissed as they want, and it will be off to the Salvadoran terrorist prison for them. Womp womp.

#8 | Posted by dibblda at 2025-05-21 04:52 PM | Reply

after they get their talking point

Two days then.

#9 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2025-05-21 05:10 PM | Reply

Rural hospitals are already closing by the score, and any further cuts will only hasten their demise. Not to mention the impact it will have on our seniors.

Everything Trump does seems designed intentionally to weaken America - our health, our environment, our economy, our status as the leader in research, our protection from disasters, our relationships with our allies, our global standing, and pretty much every other measure of a country's quality of life.

Look folks, none of us gets out of here alive. While we're on this earth, we have an obligation to not be heartless dicks to one another.

#10 | Posted by cbob at 2025-05-21 05:35 PM | Reply

#10:
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#11 | Posted by C0RI0LANUS at 2025-05-21 05:40 PM | Reply

Could someone articulate exactly what cuts to medicare are in the bill? I can't find anything specific.
All I see are references to the pay-as-you-go act being 'triggered', which adds only another layer of vagueness, since that act has been law for 15 years.

The Statutory Pay-As-You-Go Act of 2010, Title I of H.J.Res. 45, is a public law passed by the 111th United States Congress and signed by US President Barack Obama on February 12, 2010.

#12 | Posted by itchyp at 2025-05-21 05:49 PM | Reply

"Could someone articulate exactly what cuts to medicare are in the bill?"

The commitment to slash SO MUCH SPENDING it's impossible mathematically to do it without slashing Medicare and Medicaid.

But you voted for this, right? That's what the President is telling you.

#13 | Posted by Danforth at 2025-05-21 05:57 PM | Reply

It seems that PAYGO would be satisfied by cutting extraneous spending in other programs, why would it entail cutting specifically medicare?
Even if medicare were cut by 5%, that would affect providers more than recipients. For instance, 'laura''s nursing home would only get 4750.00 per month instead of 5000.00.
Aside from that, we could also cut spending on foreign woke boondoggles which benefit only very small demographics of people that are not even Americans in the first place. We could save a lot by not giving away bombs to foreign nations. We could apply deficit limits to overseas spending first, before we have to consider cuts to domestic spending. Hell if we stop paying zelensky so much then medicare would not be affected at all...

#14 | Posted by itchyp at 2025-05-21 06:05 PM | Reply

...slashing Medicare and Medicaid.
#13 | Posted by Danforth

Medicaid, I understand, is not actually '"slashed", but made contingent upon a work requirement for able-bodied adults. I think you are putting apples and oranges together.

#15 | Posted by itchyp at 2025-05-21 06:09 PM | Reply

p.s. you didn't articulate exactly what cuts to medicare are in the bill.
Anyone?

#16 | Posted by itchyp at 2025-05-21 06:11 PM | Reply

So I'm thinking there really is not anything in the bill about medicare per se. Which makes OPs headline a lie, and indicates the flow of democrat angst is actually an act, in support of another irrational propaganda operation. If any medicare spending is modulated it would be because of obama's PAYGO act, not trump's big shiny bill.

#17 | Posted by itchyp at 2025-05-21 06:41 PM | Reply

The cuts amount to about $500 billion, automatically triggered by the statutory pay-as-you-go ... since none of you Trumper fascists are honest, you can check out the CBO. You can channel your inner Charlie Kirk or Ben Shapiro all you want, but nobody is going to do the work for you. How about you explain to us how Medicare is untouched by this budget bill instead?

You voted for this, hope you're happy.

#18 | Posted by chuffy at 2025-05-21 06:46 PM | Reply

If you're unable to perform Google searches that extend beyond your Russian propaganda outlets, read this.

#19 | Posted by chuffy at 2025-05-21 06:51 PM | Reply

PDF here

#20 | Posted by chuffy at 2025-05-21 06:54 PM | Reply

So I'm thinking there really is not anything in the bill about medicare per se. Which makes OPs headline a lie, and indicates the flow of democrat angst is actually an act, in support of another irrational propaganda operation. If any medicare spending is modulated it would be because of obama's PAYGO act, not trump's big shiny bill.
#17 | Posted by itchyp at 2025-05-21 06:41 PM

What percentage of recipients are children unable to work? It's near 50%, btw.

This will definitively cut Medicare for millions of children, at minimum.

#21 | Posted by redlightrobot at 2025-05-21 07:10 PM | Reply

Of course the new Republican tax bill cuts Medicare.
You'd have to be stupid to think Republicans wouldn't cut Medicare.

#22 | Posted by snoofy at 2025-05-21 07:14 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Since Medicare is mostly administered by private insurance, the only thing most people will likely notice is more denials of things the program will claim as 'nonessential', much like how private insurance is already denying claims.

I do have to laugh at the Republicans who were sooo afraid of death panels. Guess what morons... The insurance companies ARE the death panels.

We could have had a universal healthcare system decades ago. But the private sector hates to lose its profits. Just to be clear, a for-profit healthcare system does not benefit the sick. It benefits the shareholders. This should be abundantly clear, as the Big -------- Bill did NOT go after the waste in Medicare Advantage.

#23 | Posted by Whatsleft at 2025-05-21 07:23 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Since Medicare is mostly administered by private insurance, the only thing most people will likely notice is more denials of things the program will claim as 'nonessential', much like how private insurance is already denying claims.
I do have to laugh at the Republicans who were sooo afraid of death panels. Guess what morons... The insurance companies ARE the death panels.
We could have had a universal healthcare system decades ago. But the private sector hates to lose its profits. Just to be clear, a for-profit healthcare system does not benefit the sick. It benefits the shareholders. This should be abundantly clear, as the Big -------- Bill did NOT go after the waste in Medicare Advantage.
#23 | Posted by Whatsleft at 2025-05-21 07:23 PM

Unfettered capitalism is parasitic.

COBRA is just pure venom, so aptly named.

So glad big medicine reaches only the exploitable.

#24 | Posted by redlightrobot at 2025-05-21 07:49 PM | Reply

#18, 19 | Posted by chuffy

You are so wrong about so many things at once here I don't really want to bother, but:
1- I'm not a "Trumper" or a "fascist"
2- I'm honest enough, please call me on a lie if you can, or dispense with your bad opinion
3- I'm not "channeling" anyone, and for that matter have never seen a single 'podcast' to refer to
4- Medicare is per se not impacted by the bill, as you noted any cuts would be due to Biden's PAYGO law
5- None of my snips are from any "russian propaganda" sites. Hint, you can google any of my snips to discover their source, since I pick them up directly instead of rephrasing them per agenda like your OPies here.
6- You have no idea how I voted, presuming says more about you than about me.

#25 | Posted by itchyp at 2025-05-21 08:42 PM | Reply

What percentage of recipients are children unable to work? It's near 50%, btw.

This will definitively cut Medicare for millions of children, at minimum.

#21 | Posted by redlightrobot

Citation needed. You may be confusing medicare vs medicaid.

As of October 2024, 37 million children in the U.S. were enrolled in Medicaid or CHIP. This includes children with disabilities or chronic health conditions and those living in working families with low incomes. The programs help children get the care they need to stay healthy in school and activities

If you have a child under the age of 20, they can only qualify for Medicare if they have End-Stage Renal Disease (ESRD). Additionally, to qualify for Medicare coverage, the child must: Need dialysis on a regular basis or require a kidney transplant.

#26 | Posted by itchyp at 2025-05-21 08:45 PM | Reply

We could have had a universal healthcare system decades ago. But the private sector hates to lose its profits. Just to be clear, a for-profit healthcare system does not benefit the sick. It benefits the shareholders. This should be abundantly clear, as the Big -------- Bill did NOT go after the waste in Medicare Advantage.

#23 | Posted by Whatsleft at 2025-05-21 07:23 PM | Reply | Flag:* BIG Bump

#27 | Posted by itchyp at 2025-05-21 08:46 PM | Reply

This will definitively cut Medicare for millions of children, at minimum.

#21 | Posted by redlightrobot

repeating for emphasis,

Medicare is a federal health insurance program for people age 65 or older. People younger than age 65 with certain disabilities, permanent kidney failure, or amyotrophic lateral sclerosis (ALS, also known as Lou Gehrig's disease), may also be eligible for Medicare.
Medicare - SSA
SSA
www.ssa.gov pubs<>

#28 | Posted by itchyp at 2025-05-21 08:49 PM | Reply

You are so wrong about so many things at once here I don't really want to bother, but:
1- I'm not a "Trumper" or a "fascist" - Sure, Jan.
2- I'm honest enough, please call me on a lie if you can, or dispense with your bad opinion - Intellectual dishonesty is a common trait of the don't-label-me/"Just asking qwestiuns" crowd.
3- I'm not "channeling" anyone, and for that matter have never seen a single 'podcast' to refer to - If you have never seen a single podcast', then how do you know you're not channeling them? You sound exactly like those guys.
4- Medicare is per se not impacted by the bill, as you noted any cuts would be due to Biden's PAYGO law - Obama was president when Congress implemented PAYGO in 2010. Deficits only matter when a Democrat is in the White House ... increasing the deficit isn't in the bill, per se ... it's just what happens when you stop collecting tax revenues and then spend like drunken sailors. Repubicans are bad for the economy.
5- None of my snips are from any "russian propaganda" sites. Hint, you can google any of my snips to discover their source, since I pick them up directly instead of rephrasing them per agenda like your OPies here. - Since your alias is only 3 months old, we don't have a lot of history. I'm sure your perspective is completely independent and the lockstep alignment with right wing media is purely coincidental.
6- You have no idea how I voted, presuming says more about you than about me. - You're right, I don't even know if you even vote. Looking at your comment history, however, I'm comfortable with my presumption.

#29 | Posted by chuffy at 2025-05-21 11:39 PM | Reply

Chuffy, you did your best to justify your generalizations and ad hominems, but those are by nature flawed and have little impact, rationally.

The only point of substance you mention is excess spending, but every time they try to cut spending, even on useless woke pet projects, the collective left screeches in agony.

"OMG he's spending like a drunken sailor! OMG orange!"
simultaneously,
"OMG he's cutting free money for LGBTQPEDO+ operas in West Bumblestan! OMG orange!"

There is definitively no way to satisfy the current crop of leftists.

#30 | Posted by itchyp at 2025-05-22 02:28 AM | Reply

"There is definitively no way to satisfy the current crop of leftists."

Then go on record, dude.

This tax bill borrows trillions and trillions, mostly to give away to the world's wealthiest 1%. Are you FOR that, or AGAINST it?

You were against Biden increasing the debt; are you against this as well? Or is this borrowing okay, because of the letter after the name?

Speak up now; no future bitching about deficits.

#31 | Posted by Danforth at 2025-05-22 02:56 AM | Reply

Haha, I was talking about GW Bush, who inherited a surplus and turned it into debt. Obama mostly righted the ship, until FDT blew it all up again ... then Biden dug us out and now here we are again.

That you used the word, "rationally," in your comment made me chuckle. Clearly, you have some unresolved issues surrounding your own sexuality, but I don't want to get into your hatred of people that make you uncomfortable. It's the Christofascist creep show of youth pastors and Repubican porn addicts that keep getting arrested for diddling minors, not drag queens.

I mean, the guy who bankrupted multiple casinos, was convicted of felony business fraud, is prohibited from operating charities because he stole from kids with cancer ... the list goes on endlessly ... THAT guy is the pinnacle of rational economic policy? Really? You don't sound rational at all.

You sound like a Libertarian. Easy to spot, because you open with a Socratic, reasonable argument and about 3 minutes in, the bat guano crazy comes out. Nobody can have a rational conversation with you because you are clearly not a serious person. Especially if you find merit in anything that the "bad orange man" is doing. That dude can't string two coherent sentences together due to his advanced dementia and malignant narcissism ...

You have fun creating new accounts, sock puppet. Defend your demented rapist cult leader if you must, but spare us all the laughable attempt to de-clownify Project 2025. It's better if you just own it. Go all-in with the crazy.

#32 | Posted by chuffy at 2025-05-22 04:08 AM | Reply

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