Lamp,

"The only reason that Gay Marriage may be at risk would be to Pres Trump's stuffing of the Supreme Court."

The alternative was Hillary winning and letting her select the nominees.

If that had occurred I fear the worst case could be possible. We might see the Supreme Court codify women accepting males into their restrooms.

I mean, I never expected to see Gay Marriage pass and it did. I didn't expect it. What else is possible?

If Maybe church doctrine teaching homosexuality is a sin is discrimination and force churches to modify their doctrine or at least stop teaching it? Freedom of Religion might be at risk if liberals could handily win in the Supreme Court. Freedom of Speech could be at risk.

I'm all for gay couples getting legal protection. Don't get me wrong.

However, I feared 3 more liberal judges on the court would probably give them everything they ever wanted.

Hopefully, in October the court will make the right decision.

I didn't mean to post yet....fat fingers.

I meant this.....

If Hillary had won, maybe church doctrine teaching homosexuality is a sin would be considered "discrimination" and force churches to modify their doctrine or at least stop teaching it? Freedom of Religion might be at risk if liberals could handily win in the Supreme Court. Freedom of Speech could be at risk.

Corky,

Funny it's not.

Sad you think it is.

The implications for the future of America if Hillary had won were chaos.

Imagine laxing the borders even more. She would have.

Would we be seeing a tidal wave of people from South America swamping the United States?

Corky,

"There's no indication that Hil would have forced churches to teach homosexuality."

Incomplete sentence but I got what you meant.

Hillary is not who might challenge churches teaching "homosexuality is a sin" and claim it is discrimination at the Supreme Court.

Hillary's part would be putting in 3 crazy left judges.

I'm not deflecting with immigration. I'm using it as something Hillary would have done had she won.

Trump has basically shut down the border.

Hillary would most certainly have opened the border further until all the Governors themselves started picketing the White House.

But let's go back to Gay Marriage.

Syc,

I've posted before.

I think the solution to the trans issue and restrooms is amazingly simple.

It's not what you believe...it's simple anatomy.

Penis/no penis....that's it.

If you cut it off, then you're no penis.

Forget all this "what you believe you are".

Legal,

"---- off, BiilyBoy, the universe does not owe you a living."

I think you're mistaking me for a liberal.

Lamp,

"Huh?"

Yeah....if you need to say "huh?", then you must be oblivious to what's been going on in the news.

Hillary winning would have encouraged immigrants from South America to march towards America in much greater numbers knowing they will be waved through. Hillary would probably put more money into processing centers and then release them into the population with little or no vetting.

Even if they are non-citizens and can't vote, they still count towards how many of representatives each state gets in the House.

Also, we'd likely see more rioting in the streets as liberals feel more empowered.

More chaos.

On the bright side, Charlie Kirk would most likely still be alive.

Syc,

"Is that your dream job? I'm not surprised."

The following is satire for those who lack a satire meter.

Just train dogs to sniff them out.

Now...back to Gay Marriage.

Dan,

You're just jealous.

As Woody Allen put it, "Being bisexual doubles your chance of a date on Saturday night."

Donner,

"Are you proud of being gay or ashamed of being gay?"

What does being "proud" have to do with anything?

Reality is reality regardless what you think about it.

It's like asking someone "are you proud or ashamed of your skin color?"

Why must I be either?

Snoofy,

"Nobody ever asked him if he was gay. He told us, and he keeps telling us, even though none of us liberals care about anyone's sexual preferences -- as long as they aren't hurting anyone."

I also make it clear I am a Christian.

If it seems I discuss homosexuality too much, perhaps I have a subconscious ulterior motive.

Simply put, I want people to know I believe just because the Bible calls homosexuality an "abomination", that's doesn't prevent one from being a real Christian.

I don't shy away from this, like some churches that have chosen to reinterpret the Bible, saying it doesn't say that.

I differentiate between "real" Christians from those who attend churches that hint at Christ or talk about the "spirit of Jesus" saying Jesus is about loving your fellow man without acknowledging the Divinity of the Man.

In my life I have seen friends who were raised Christian and when they discovered they were gay lived in torment.

That is unfortunate and unnecessary.

Snoofy,

Does your judgement extend to anyone who chimes in on anything "tran".

"I am tran, hear me roar..." borrowed from Helen Reddy.

Or are you selective who you judge and hate.

Back to Gay Marriage.

Clown,

You pray to the alter of manhood.

Snoofy,

"That's why other gay men " the ones who have gay sex " are wicked sinners, doomed to be cast into the flames of hell."

Hmmm... if you'd actually read my posts, you'd know better. The Bible also calls remarriage after divorce a sin under certain conditions yet no one screams "wicked sinners" at those people.

There are countless paths to condemnation, but only one path to salvation which is acknowledging Christ as the Son of God who died for our sins.

Pretending someone else's sins are worse than yours is pointless and probably a sin.

Snoofy,

"Forcing yourself to live a heteronormative lifestyle"

You have it so wrong what happened to me.

I was dragged into it kicking and screaming.

What happened to me was like Professor Higgins in My Fair Lady, I "grew accustomed to her face", among other things.

Then I found I needed her in my life.

I think that's what is called love.

True story.

I've kept a journal since I was 19 and had not read most of it until this month.

I saw I had written exactly one year to the day before getting married, I wrote, "Last night I dreamed and I got married." One year later we did.

Weird...huh?

Oops...

"I dreamed [name] and I got married"

Snoofy,

"Gays are condemned to hell if they don't ask forgiveness for their gay sex, is one of the paths."

I'm pretty sure the people you're talking about will have plenty of other sins that make them just as guilty before God as anyone else.

Jesus said if you even look at a woman with lust, you've already committed adultery in your heart. That shows how wide the net is.

Jesus' point, he stressed again and again, was that we're all sinners. Otherwise His mission makes no sense, and he'd be just another man.

He was killed because the Jewish leaders hated Him, and Rome carried out their demand. They felt threatened. He undermined their authority and exposed their hypocrisy

Snoofy....you see you're playing right into their hands when you single out gays as some uniquely abhorrent group beyond salvation.

Hatred for gays runs deep across society and is one of the last widely held groups society finds hard to understand.

Dare I suggest this hatred of homosexuals seems to run just about as deep for some people as those Jewish leaders had for Jesus.

This hatred is based on fear.

Much of the hatred of gays isn't about morality at all. It's fear.

Some straight men fear gays because they see it as a threat to their "masculine credibility".

Fear breeds hatred.

My last post is very generalized and was hard to write putting in what I want and leaving out other things I could have said.

Corky,

I will not watch the video.

Paraphrase it for me.

I'm into ideas, not the person.

Don't care to watch his video.

Or send me a link something to read.

Snoofy,

Again...you're playing into their hands.

Snoofy,

"You murdered him for he was wicked, and that you had the strength to kill is what makes you righteous."

You been smoking formaldehyde laced pot?

You're in some fantasy world.

Enjoy yourself....

You're on my no fly list again.

Corky,

What was his main point?

Who is it?

Tell me that much.

Corky,

I don't fear new information.

I just don't like videos. I prefer reading.

Speak,

"CONSERVATIVE straight men fear gays"

You're not very smart.

What I was referring to is something more on a subconscious level.

Even liberal men have an inner drive to make sure people don't mistake you for gay.

It's not a fear of gays.

It's a fear of being perceived as gay.

Eb,

"Actual gays who are in the closet...."

What business is it of yours who choses to remain in the closet?

Nevermind.

I've sure it's pointless continuing this conversation.

Clown,

"Hell. Most people bothered by being mistaken for being homosexual, are homosexual."

Oh really? And you know this how? Been running focus groups? Holding exit interviews?

Or is this just you talking out of your hat again?