Where were you 62 years ago today, November 22, 1963...

Saturday, November 22, 2025

I may have asked this question here before, just with a different number of years, but...

Where were you 62 years ago today, November 22, 1963?

Posted by OCUser at 11:37 AM | 125 COMMENTS | permalink

I was 16-years old and a Junior in high school. I was in physics class when they announced that President Kennedy had been shot. Keep in mind that we lived in Northern Michigan and it was in the middle of deer season, so the first comments that we made among ourselves was that we didn't know Kennedy was a hunter, since for us, the only time we ever heard of someone getting shot was because of a hunting accident (there's no question that we were living sheltered lives). It was maybe 30-minutes later, when I was in study hall, that it was announced that Kennedy was dead and that this had taken place in Dallas.

About 15-minutes later, they announced that classes had been cancelled and that the buses would soon be taking us home. We were also informed that since it was Friday, and that Thanksgiving was the following Thursday, that school would be closed for the entire week, instead of the just the originally planned two-days, Thursday and Friday.

I was working in a local grocery store/meat market at the time and being in an area where a lot of hunters came for deer season, we were pretty busy, so my boss asked me to come in and work most of the days that I had off (I was already scheduled to work the weekends and after school so in the end, it was only a few extra hours). We had a TV at the store and we watched most of the news programs covering the activities of the week. Of course, everyone who came into the store had to stop, look at what was going on and express their opinions and views, to say nothing of speculating on what actually happened and who was ultimately responsible. While the term 'conspiracy theory' was not yet part of our lexicon, you could see how stuff like that got started and what perpetuated it.

Comments

This is too depressing to talk about.

#1 | Posted by Zed at 2025-11-22 11:56 AM

JFK was before my time.
But this was a great SNL skit back in the day.

#2 | Posted by snoofy at 2025-11-22 11:57 AM

ot born yet.

#3 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2025-11-22 11:59 AM

And USSS S/A Clint Hill passed away earlier this year (4 Jan 1932 - 21 Feb 2025):

#4 | Posted by C0RI0LANUS at 2025-11-22 12:15 PM

I was having a dream.

It was a dream deeply rooted in the American Dream.

I had a dream that one day that this nation will rise up and live out the true meaning of its creed: "We hold these truths to be self evident that all men are created equal."

But.

It was only a dream.

#5 | Posted by donnerboy at 2025-11-22 12:27 PM

Immediately after JFK's assassination, the Soviet embassy in Mexico City cabled the Kremlin which blamed "right wing groups" for the attack. This intercepted cable was declassified and released a few years ago. But in November 1963 the American rightwing (through the media) quickly threw the suspicion away from themselves and onto "leftists" or "Marxists." The NYT headline was neutral, describing a "suspect" was arrested.

LBJ would later put former D/CIA Allen Dulles on the Warren Commission to investigate the assassination.

Source: USSR: Rightwing Behind JFK Assassination

#6 | Posted by C0RI0LANUS at 2025-11-22 12:45 PM

Kennedy's murder was an awful, surrealistic experience with painful memories that remain sharp even this far along.
In my border town people who'd gone across the line to shop or for lunch got stuck there when the news hit.
That because border snapped shut, pronto, a precautionary sealing-off of a potential escape route for the assassin.
It was the kickoff for some really rough times.

#7 | Posted by Doc_Sarvis at 2025-11-22 01:01 PM

I was in elementary school in Ft Worth near the airport where JFK landed; stayed home 'sick' that day to watch my little brother while Mom was shopping.

My best friend's family were Republicans, and I had heard the campaign slogan, "Nixon, Nixon he's our man, let's put Kennedy in the garbage can!".

My brother and I were playing army with imaginary bolt action rifles, and when I saw the motorcade on tv leaving for Dallas, I aimed, cocked the bolt and fired 3 times.

A little while later Walter Cronkite was on the tv reporting that Kennedy had been shot. Think it was the same evening that the rifle was recovered, and when I saw it was a bolt action rifle I freaked out and thought it was my fault!

Then when I was in jr high we moved to Irving, a few blocks from where Lee Harvey and Marina had lived. Which freaked me out again. Then later, of course, Martin and Bobby were also assassinated.

#8 | Posted by Corky at 2025-11-22 01:17 PM

Both Corky and Doc Sarvis were in Texas (or the American Southwest) the day JFK was assassinated.

And guess who was in Dallas on 21 Nov 1963?

None other than former VPOTUS Richard Nixon: commons.wikimedia.org

#9 | Posted by C0RI0LANUS at 2025-11-22 01:25 PM

I guess I was right about my comment with respect to 'conspiracy theories' that I made at the end of my opening entry in this thread...

OCU

#10 | Posted by OCUser at 2025-11-22 01:29 PM

In Ms. Cobb's (a real b***h) third grade class at Rosa Pearson elementary in Paris, Texas. www.facebook.com (upper right corner, windows faced the wooden two story one stall with a slide pole fire station to the west across the street from my grandparent house the backyard of which I walked to get to school) Ms. Shiver (my future 5th grade teacher and sister in law to the Texas governor) and a sixth grade teacher whose name I don't remember (upper right windows) came to the door crying to make the announcement. School dismissed shortly thereafter,

#11 | Posted by et_al at 2025-11-22 02:19 PM

Lou Reed wrote a narrative song about JFK's death. Bob Dylan wrote at least one.

The Byrds rewrote the lyrics on an older song:

www.youtube.com

This is a newer reproduction of Dion on the Smother Bros show, which was the prolly the first time a lot of people saw 'Abraham, Martin, and John' live after hearing it on the radio circa 1968:

www.youtube.com

18 Songs That Mention President Kennedy
JFK was assassinated in Dallas 60 years ago today.

www.billboard.com

#12 | Posted by Corky at 2025-11-22 02:21 PM

#11

I went to university in Commerce, and Paris was a great little town to visit (picking mushrooms from under cow paddies along the way!). I hear it's still very nice.

#13 | Posted by Corky at 2025-11-22 02:33 PM

Thanks for posting Dion, Corky.

A New Yorker from da' Bronx, Dion tried to re-shape his image from his Doo-Wop background with the Belmonts. Alas, this ballad was his only hit from what I recall, but what a hit.

Sidenote: The US and the American people were in shock and mourning November and December 1963, as you and the rest of us all know. Heck, the opening scene of Gilligan's Island shows a US flag at half-staff when the Minnow leaves port.

Robin and the Seven Hoods was being filmed at the time of JFK's assassination. Frank Sinatra fell into shock at hearing the news in the studio and you can see his demeanor change through the film.

So, here is a song that sounds great, but the lyrics are inconsistent for that awful period: www.youtube.com

#14 | Posted by C0RI0LANUS at 2025-11-22 03:18 PM

#14 Anyone who can combine history, a keen eye for popular entertainment, and good music is a winner in my book. Congratulations.

#15 | Posted by A_Friend at 2025-11-22 03:20 PM

#14 Anyone who can combine history, a keen eye for popular entertainment, and good music is a winner in my book. Congratulations.

#15 | Posted by A_Friend at 2025-11-22 03:20 PM | Reply | Flag: "Danke schon!"

#16 | Posted by C0RI0LANUS at 2025-11-22 03:34 PM

There was a recent ESPN segment about UTC football and the gas station at the north of the stadium. I've been to that gas station. www.youtube.com

#17 | Posted by et_al at 2025-11-22 03:36 PM

#16 Sehr gern, mein guter Freund.

#18 | Posted by A_Friend at 2025-11-22 03:36 PM

As luck would have it, I am meeting a friend and his wife tonight who flew missions with USAF intelligence during the Cuban Missile Crisis and other operations. Besides having a UFO story or two, my friend shook hands with both JFK and MLK. And we discuss that period with a fine tooth comb, including stories about Muhammad Ali.

#19 | Posted by C0RI0LANUS at 2025-11-22 03:38 PM

JFK was assassinated in Dallas 60 years ago today.

#12 | Posted by Corky at 2025-11-22 02:21 PM

Actually 62-years ago today...

#20 | Posted by OCUser at 2025-11-22 04:27 PM

The article was a couple of years old.

#21 | Posted by Corky at 2025-11-22 04:32 PM

Not even a twinkle in my 10 year old father's eye.

#22 | Posted by jpw at 2025-11-22 05:34 PM

I was in 3rd grade. There wasn't anything unusual about the day that an 8-year-old could discern.

But, on my bike on the way home, I ran into a friend, Doug Smith, who told me that he had been in the front office (of the school) and they were talking about what was happening in Dallas. This was around 3:00pm Eastern Time.

I didn't quite believe Doug, as he was known as somewhat of a cut-up.

But, sure enough, when I got home, my mom was glued to the television, where I joined her in disbelief... for the next several days... joined by my older brothers and father.

#23 | Posted by A_Friend at 2025-11-22 05:52 PM

This is the day folks remember the whole day. Same with 9-11. But this was the the most memorable day if you're at least 70+ years old.

#24 | Posted by eberly at 2025-11-22 06:22 PM

#24 Etched in our memories... Sort of the exact same way our parents and grandparents felt on and after Sunday, December 7, 1941.

#25 | Posted by A_Friend at 2025-11-22 06:43 PM

#24 Etched in our memories... Sort of the exact same we and our families and loved ones felt on and after Tuesday, September 11, 2001.

#26 | Posted by A_Friend at 2025-11-22 06:45 PM

#22

You missed all the fun! Elementary School Cold War Nuclear Bomb 'Duck and Cover' Drills in the school building halls... like that was going to help!

Black and white tv, dial telephones. The Lone Ranger. Elvis. Rock and Roll. Texas Swing.

A young, charismatic liberal-ish decorated war hero President assassinated in the streets for being a liberal, and many of the Republicans snickering behind their hands. Or laughing out loud in some parts of Texas and Mississippi (where slavery was sorely missed).

The Beatles. Day Tripper was played over the school announcement system in our 6th grade by some kid I think.

She's a big teaser
She took me half the way there
She's a big teaser
She took me half the way there, now

Of course, those lyrics were always sung as pr*ck teaser.

Good times... well, until MLK was also assassinated in the streets for being Uppity While Black.

And then Robert Kennedy, who likely would have been the next President, was gunned down in a hotel kitchen, again for being a liberal and not being sufficiently racist and being suspiciously Catholic.

Then you missed Tricky Dick, whom JFK had barely defeated in 1960 and whom defeated Hubert Humphrey in 1968 because George Wallace go 14 percent of the vote, and most all of the racist vote, but who Resigned just before he would have been Impeached for trying to rig the Election.

And Vietnam, where America's morals-free corporate owned President Nixon landed us. And whom Americans of all ages, after my gen prodded them into it, joined mass coordinated protests in cities big and small all over the country ran him out of office and the country out of Southeast Asia.

Of course, he was nowhere near as efficient at corporate politics as Reagan of the Trickle Down MYTH and the Fake Hostage Crisis whom you might remember

Now, since 2010 and CU's Money as Speech, the elite own everything; all of one Party and enough of the other) and including their Clown Puppet in the WH, whom the same white nationalist faux-christian populist rwingers that backed Nixon and Reagan (and GW, who doesn't actually exit now, and never did!) thinks loves them.

It were be funny were it not so sad.

#27 | Posted by Corky at 2025-11-22 06:48 PM

George Carlin had this to say about these kind of assassinations:

www.youtube.com

less than 30 secs

#28 | Posted by Corky at 2025-11-22 06:56 PM

I turned 59 days old.I was deeply saddened I guess.

#29 | Posted by Scotty at 2025-11-22 07:07 PM

29:

I was 3, and from what I understand, I ate peanut butter sandwiches for three days.

#30 | Posted by Dbt2 at 2025-11-22 09:49 PM

I was -5.

#31 | Posted by a_monson at 2025-11-22 10:16 PM

I was in 7th grade in a Catholic School in Mississippi because the Navy had built a new air base to train jet pilots there and my father was a pilot instructor there. It was afternoon when a nun entered the classroom crying and announced that the President had been shot. The class erupted in cheering. This was 1963 in Mississippi and John Kennedy supported Civil Rights for "colored people" which caused him to be hated by most white people in Mississippi. They dismissed us early and we all went home where coverage of this was non-stop for the next week right through the funeral. It dominated everything; every conversation, every moment people were crying all over the Navy base and in our home. 9-11 is the only thing I could compare it to. I still remember it like yesterday!

#32 | Posted by danni at 2025-11-22 10:45 PM

#32

Complete total takeover of the airwaves. That was ABC, CBS and NBC. That's it. Complete takeover for about a week.

Mine was NBC KXII channel 12 out of Sherman via translator channel 2. One.

#33 | Posted by et_al at 2025-11-22 11:22 PM

Cor,

"Besides having a UFO story or two"

Movie Age of Disclosure has been released on Amazon Prime. I've been waiting for this film a long time. It's a good culmination of info on UAP (UFO).

I've been keeping up with UAP info for years and occasionally post on the subject.

If you read my old posts on the subject, it appears my facts I was posting were pretty much exactly what is being said in the film. I've only watched about half so far. A large number of highly credentialed people are being brought out in the film. These people are saying absolutely we are not alone and some claim to have seen non-humans and their crafts.

For me, the film isn't bringing out much anything new so far in information.

It's possible this life form predates mankind on earth and possibility lives in the ocean. One man said only 80% of the ocean floor has been mapped.

You can thank Trump for bringing this information to Congress taking it serious. He demanded the DOD provide Congress with a report what they know.

DOD said, yes...UFO's are real and we don't know where they came from, but do not believe it is China or Russia.

It's very interesting Trump selected Rubio for four positions. Rubio has been a major player for years concerned from a national security perspective. Our fastest manned rockets can fly about Mach 6. These crafts have been clocked at Mach 52 and make high speed 45 degree turns. And drop from 80000 ft to 200 ft in a couple of seconds. Marco Rubio has been concerned about this for some time.

Rubio's roles.
Secretary of State
National Security Adviser
U.S. Archivist
Head of USAID

#34 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2025-11-23 12:23 AM

Cor,

They have a strong interest in nuclear technology (ships, etc) and both the US and Russia have seen their nuclear missiles arm and disarm themselves. One report a man said he say a light beaming into the nuclear facility.

#35 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2025-11-23 12:30 AM

BillJohnson,

If you want to stroll down this path, I would suggest "they" are checking our nuclear warheads to make sure ours suck compared to what they have.

In terms of "UFO Tech" being real, the Navy UFO Patents are the only compelling evidence I can think of. The Patent Office doesn't say it's impossible. They simply say we can't generate sufficient energy gradient by a factor of 10^8 to make this dream a reality.

Well, somebody can.

#36 | Posted by snoofy at 2025-11-23 12:54 AM

Rubio's roles:
Secretary of State
National Security Adviser
U.S. Archivist
Head of USAID

Flag: frightening as hell.

#37 | Posted by Dbt2 at 2025-11-23 07:54 AM

Rubio's roles:
Secretary of State
National Security Adviser
U.S. Archivist
Head of USAID
Empty Suit

#37 | Posted by Dbt2 at 2025-11-23 07:54 AM | Reply | Flag: frightening as hell.

And subtle saboteur of the ACA (Obamacare): archive.ph

#38 | Posted by C0RI0LANUS at 2025-11-23 08:43 AM

27.

You need to read this.

www.amazon.com

MLK, JFK, RFK, Malcolm: All killed by the international war machine, ongoing archive revelations and investigations show.

Racism, antiCatholicism, internecine Muslim feuds . . . all a cover story.

#39 | Posted by Dbt2 at 2025-11-23 10:21 AM

Here at last is the long-awaited sequel to James Douglass's bestselling work, JFK and the Unspeakable: Why He Died and Why It Matters. That book, unlike most books that posit a conspiracy in JFK's assassination, focuses less on "who dunnit" as on "why they dunnit." Douglas's answer was to trace the steps by which JFK moved from being a traditional Cold Warrior to a prophetic commitment to peace, willing to risk his own life in order to avoid nuclear war. In particular JFK's partnership in pursuit of peace with ostensible adversary, Nikita Khrushchev, caused him to be regarded as a traitor by elements of the military-industrial-intelligence complex who deployed the mechanisms of the National Security State--which had previously targeted foreign "threats"--to neutralize the President of the United States.

This new volume necessarily returns to the story of JFK, and demonstrates how the same story was enacted again and again in the deaths of his brother, Bobby Kennedy, as well as the killings of Malcolm X and Martin Luther King, Jr. In each case, American figures who made a prophetic commitment to peace and social transformation were regarded as enemies of the state who had to be eliminated. Douglass believes that this hidden history holds a key to recovering and advancing their mission, and setting our country and the world on a path to peace.

#40 | Posted by Dbt2 at 2025-11-23 10:22 AM

The details in this book about how the FBI paid the Tennessee State Prisons $40K for Ray's release, and then moved him around for a year and a half before the assassination alone is worth the price of the 600-page book. Not to mention his manipulation in the days leading up to the shooting.

Before he was sprung from jail, the FBI already has four aliases for him: down to the scars on his face. The four men whose name Ray used were all Canadian, all from the Scarborough area around Toronto ... all working for defense contractors.

#41 | Posted by Dbt2 at 2025-11-23 10:27 AM

Best Sellers Rank

#3 in United States History (Books)
#7 in Religious Studies (Books)

(Yeah, I worked on this one too.)

#42 | Posted by Dbt2 at 2025-11-23 10:30 AM

JFK abruptly cancelled a 2 Nov 1963 trip to Chicago: abc7chicago.com

#43 | Posted by C0RI0LANUS at 2025-11-23 10:33 AM

JFK Cuban Hit team...

"Authorities found high-powered weapons and ammunition in a boarding house linked to a radical Cuban exile named Homer Echevarria, who had reportedly said his group was "gonna get him"."

www.google.com

;;
Homer Echevarria

www.archives.gov

"A JFK file released in 2018, sometimes implied to have been newly released in 2025, contains a quote from a Cuban anti-Castro arms dealer named Homer S. Echevarria speaking to government informant Thomas Mosley.

Echevarria claimed to him, "We now have plenty of money"our new backers are Jews"as soon as we' (or they') take care of Kennedy," the day before the Kennedy assassination, which caught the attention of the Secret Service and FBI.

Upon their investigation, they found no connection between Echevarria or his words to the assassination. One Secret Service Agent, Joseph Noonan, even expressed doubts about Mosley's report, believing Echevarria was just being a braggart."

aish.com

That's from an Israeli source, so taken with a few grains of salt.

There's a pretty recent book: Chicago '63

www.terrencemccauley.com

And this from Unredacting History:

www.maryferrell.org

#44 | Posted by Corky at 2025-11-23 11:01 AM

But this was the the most memorable day if you're at least 70+ years old.

#24 | POSTED BY EBERLY

Not quite there so honestly my memory of that day is pretty dim. Tho I do seem to remember it I was too young to understand any of it. Everyone was very upset so as I recall I stayed outside away from them. The day of the moon landing is a much brighter memory for me. I can remember most of what I was doing before after and during that wonderful day July 20th 1969. I believe that was the day inspired me to become interested in aviation and computer technology and launched me on my way to my eventual career in electronics and computer science.

#45 | Posted by donnerboy at 2025-11-23 11:09 AM

- that wonderful day July 20th 1969.

An incredible day that brought America together for just a bit in the midst of the Vietnam War and the slew of assassinations that divided us.

I am awaiting
perpetually and forever
a renaissance of wonder

from

I Am Waiting

By Lawrence Ferlinghetti (1958)

www.poetryfoundation.org

#46 | Posted by Corky at 2025-11-23 11:23 AM

I remember there was no Saturday morning cartoons.

Instead, there was a long line of cars driving slow behind each other.

All channels were showing the same thing.

I was disappointed.

#47 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2025-11-23 11:26 AM

Snoofy,

Maybe the "aliens" want to make sure they can turn our missiles off, if we actually start shooting them at each other.

#48 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2025-11-23 11:28 AM

Maybe the "aliens" want to make sure they can turn our missiles off, if we actually start shooting them at each other.

#48 | POSTED BY BILLJOHNSON

No one is coming from the heavens or the future or some other dimension to save us from ourselves.

It's more likely they would just wait until we are done destroying ourselves and then step in and take the Earth for themselves.

To an intelligence capable of crossing the vast emptiness of space and time to reach us.. we are Bugs.

#49 | Posted by donnerboy at 2025-11-23 11:35 AM

I can't imagine why aliens would care if we kill each other. We don't care if we kill each other. People like you say Gaza is getting what it deserves.

Aliens aren't going to save us from ourselves. That's just a prayer in the dark.

#50 | Posted by snoofy at 2025-11-23 11:36 AM

Careful now...or this will become a Gay Mail-in Ballot Trans Trump the Innocent thread.

#51 | Posted by Corky at 2025-11-23 12:06 PM

Re 51

lol.

God is an alien. A very Ancient Alien. Obviously.

#52 | Posted by donnerboy at 2025-11-23 01:12 PM

#52 When I saw "Re 51" and the word "alien" in your post I immediately thought of Area 51!

#53 | Posted by A_Friend at 2025-11-23 01:22 PM

Donner,

If you take the information coming out serious what is being discussed, such advanced technology would make them older than humanity.

Read my earlier post.

#54 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2025-11-23 01:32 PM

So... we are saying that aliens killed JFK?

Or are those just off-topic posts....

#55 | Posted by Corky at 2025-11-23 01:46 PM

Corky,

Refer to #19

#56 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2025-11-23 01:48 PM

Cor,

Care to share the UFO stories your friend tells you?

I would be interested.

#57 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2025-11-23 02:00 PM

#56 Does BJ boi mean this #19:

#58 | Posted by A_Friend at 2025-11-23 02:01 PM

Snoofy,

"I can't imagine why aliens would care if we kill each other."

They might not.

They may be only concerned with humans radiating their planet.

#59 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2025-11-23 02:02 PM

#59 "They may be only concerned with humans radiating their planet." Now isn't this interesting.

As #49 said: "......"

Do you really think that an intelligence capable of crossing the vast emptiness of space and time to reach us (thanks, #49) would be concerned with humans radiating their planet... when we've barely reached the Moon, much less any planet in our solar system.

Really?

#60 | Posted by A_Friend at 2025-11-23 02:07 PM

"On 2 November 1963, Ngo Dinh Diem, the president of South Vietnam, was arrested and assassinated in a CIA-backed coup d'etat led by General Duong Van Minh."

Link: nsarchive.gwu.edu

#61 | Posted by C0RI0LANUS at 2025-11-23 02:10 PM

#19

Was an aside comment, and stated as such.

Apparently staying on topic is impossible for some people. Usually people who don't want to talk about the topic.

Which in this case is the horrible history of Democrat leaders being assassinated and rwing white nationalists either not caring or celebrating the facts.

"Aliens" is just another lame attempt to distract from the history recounted in #27.

#62 | Posted by Corky at 2025-11-23 02:16 PM

"Conspiracy theorist L. Fletcher Prouty would accuse CIA operative Lucien Conein of involvement in a conspiracy to kill President John F. Kennedy, since Conein was supposedly physically present in Dallas on 22 Nov 1963." (Source: Wikipedia)

#63 | Posted by C0RI0LANUS at 2025-11-23 02:23 PM

Corky,

Don't read it if you don't want to.

You're a whiner...whine...whine....whine....

#64 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2025-11-23 02:26 PM

#64 So says the self-announced incel gay "man" married to a b****. Right, BJ boi?

#65 | Posted by A_Friend at 2025-11-23 02:27 PM

Snoofy,

Corky has forbidden you to respond to UFO's topics.

He says he speaks for everyone.

He said, "Usually people who don't want to talk about the topic."

#66 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2025-11-23 02:31 PM

#66 I did not have BJ boi, Class Scold on my bingo card.

#67 | Posted by A_Friend at 2025-11-23 02:34 PM

... Where were you 62 years ago today, November 22, 1963... ...

Walking home with a classmate from junior high school, the bus stop was about a mile and a half from my house.

She and I stopped in a local deli for a snack before we started walking up the long hill to our neighborhood.

In the deli a radio was playing the news.

That's when we heard about the shooting of the fmr President.

We continued the walk home in stunned silence.

#68 | Posted by LampLighter at 2025-11-23 02:36 PM

#68 Those of us alive at the time, and somewhat aware of the world, will never forget where they were when they heard the news that JFK had been shot and killed in Dallas.

Oh, and thank you for the "(w)alking home with a classmate from junior high school" comment! Saying "junior high school" may date you, but it authenticates your comment, as well.

Bravo.

#69 | Posted by A_Friend at 2025-11-23 02:42 PM

BJ is still whining about #51 taking away his Usual Thread Distraction Topics, rofl!

He's had to resort to, "Aliens!".

#70 | Posted by Corky at 2025-11-23 02:44 PM

Corky,

Trust me...I didn't plan my posts around you.

Corky said....this or that, so I'm going to distract the conversation.

Nope...I don't have plans when I post and certainly don't give you a second thought.

#71 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2025-11-23 03:05 PM

#71 BJ boi believes that posting 35 words to Corky indicates that he doesn't give Corky "a second thought."

Funny, if you think about it.

#72 | Posted by A_Friend at 2025-11-23 03:07 PM

Medgar Evers 1963
John F. Kennedy 1963
James Chaney 1964
Michael Goodman 1964
Andrew Schwerner 1964
Malcom X 1965
Martin Luther King Jr. 1968
Robert F. Kennedy 1968
Fred Hampton 1969

Things happen

#73 | Posted by Doc_Sarvis at 2025-11-23 03:22 PM

#73 Allison Krause (1970)
Jeffrey Miller (1970)
Sandra Scheuer (1970)
William Schroeder (1970)

Yep. Things happen.

#74 | Posted by A_Friend at 2025-11-23 03:26 PM

Corky,

You must have Snoofy intimidated.

He hasn't said anything more about UFOs after you said not to.

#75 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2025-11-23 09:33 PM

#75

Congrats on saying something about aliens without saying something about aliens killing JFK.

And I don't think I've ever seen Snoofy intimidated. You, otoh, cower whenever Trump glares at you. Of course, you purr when he pets you with his lies and murders, so I guess there's that.

#76 | Posted by Corky at 2025-11-23 09:40 PM

@#69 ... Saying "junior high school" may date you ...

I've mentioned that before. in this context.

But, yeah, I'm an old person.

I've seen a lot through the years.

I protested the Vietnam War.

#77 | Posted by LampLighter at 2025-11-23 10:05 PM

@#70 ... BJ is still whining ...

What else is new?

Whining and deflection seems to be all that current alias has got.

#78 | Posted by LampLighter at 2025-11-23 10:07 PM

@#78 ... Whining and deflection seems to be all that current alias has got. ...

See #75.

#79 | Posted by LampLighter at 2025-11-23 10:09 PM

#77 And when the YDA lowered the minimum age from 18 to 16 (in reaction to the war and the 26th Amendment), I was the founding president in my high school's YD club. This was 1971.

#80 | Posted by A_Friend at 2025-11-23 10:09 PM

- I protested the Vietnam War.

A girlfriend in college (an heiress to a yuge ranch, actually) had a couple of well to do Aunts in Dallas that got arrested in swank Highland Park for helping overturn a police car there during a 'Nam protest.

It was when not just kids but their parents and grandparents and families were getting involved.

We had been had in some protests, but I always wished I had been there to see that one.

#81 | Posted by Corky at 2025-11-23 10:41 PM

@#81 ... It was when not just kids but their parents and grandparents and families were getting involved. ...

Wasn't there a Democrats convention in Chicago back then that had some issues?

Found this ...

1968 Democratic National Convention
en.wikipedia.org

... The event was among the most tense and confrontational political conventions in American history, and became notorious for the televised heavy-handed police tactics of the host, Mayor Richard J. Daley of Chicago.

The most contentious issues were the continuing American military involvement in the Vietnam War, and expanding the right to vote to draft-age soldiers by lowering the voting age from 21 to 18 years old.

Dissatisfaction with the convention led to significant changes in the rules governing delegate selection, ushering in the modern primary election system.

The year 1968 was a time of riots, political turbulence, and mass civil unrest. ...

#82 | Posted by LampLighter at 2025-11-24 03:17 AM

Corky,

"Usually people who don't want to talk about the topic"

UFO threads don't often pop up so I talk about it when someone mentions something. Some people are curious just because you're not.

You should check out the movie I mentioned. It's nothing at all like Ancient Aliens series.

It is over 30 of seriously highly qualified people in intelligence, government, aviation and other agencies all saying the same thing.

They absolutely know we are not alone.

This may be the story of the century when the day comes the President says to the American people, it is all true.

#83 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2025-11-24 07:13 AM

Corky,

More UFO stuff.

Chris Mellon's official government career spans from 1985 through 2017. He served on the Senate Intelligence Committee, then as the Deputy Assistant Secretary of Defense for Intelligence under the Clinton and Bush administrations.

In this film Mellon said, "They are here. It is real, its happening, it's happening now. This is the biggest discovery in human history".

If someone isn't interested in this, they should be.

#84 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2025-11-24 08:03 AM

Corky,

Instantaneous dropping from 80000 ft to 200 ft is 27000 mph or Mach 32.

Instantaneous.

This is why Rubio got interested a few years ago and why Trump added a rider to a covid relief bill ordering DoD giving them 6 months to create both classified and declassified reports for Congress.

They confirmed there are unknown objects flying in our airspace.

#85 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2025-11-24 08:26 AM

Corky,

The Age of Disclosure film talks about a deeply buried program going back to the 1940s, referred to as Legacy. According to the film, this group handled the actual recovery of crashed craft and materials and had 80 years of knowledge.

People know about Project Blue Book and later AATIP, the official UAP investigation efforts. But the film says those groups had no access to Legacy and weren't even aware it existed.

When the newer investigative teams were set up, Legacy supposedly kept operating quietly behind the scenes and even worked to shut down or obstruct those newer efforts to protect its secrecy.

The documentary claims the Legacy Program was so secretive that the President, Congress, and the Secretary of Defense were not aware of its existence or operations despite it holding nearly 80 years of information on the UFO topic.

#86 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2025-11-24 09:44 AM

"The documentary claims the Legacy Program was so secretive that the President, Congress, and the Secretary of Defense were not aware of its existence or operations"

But somehow the documentary crew found out first; it just doesn't seem too realistic.

I'm probably in agreement with this critic:
According to The Guardian reviewer Adrian Horton, "As IndieWire put it, The Age of Disclosure presents 'the most convincing argument you can make without showing any actual evidence'."[6]
en.wikipedia.org

#87 | Posted by snoofy at 2025-11-24 09:51 AM

This is why Rubio got interested a few years ago
#85 | Posted by BillJohnson

Rubio got interested a few years ago to smokescreen selling out our nation to the Russian Mafia for his Capo, Trump.

#88 | Posted by snoofy at 2025-11-24 09:52 AM

I've always heard that the reason the US government wants to deny the existence of anything extraterrestrial is the panic and severe and immediate change in people's thinking that could lead to who knows what?

Remember Orson Welles.

A problem with any disclosure is that much of the US populace has no common ground for trusted sources anymore. Much of the population has no trust in news sources, the government -- and few people indulge in facts these days.

So, Bill, according to your own standards of evidence presented on the DR, unless you've actually seen them (you may have) (ref: anything to do with Trump), it's all just a guess anyway.

#89 | Posted by Dbt2 at 2025-11-24 10:03 AM

Corky,

My interest in this topic and my belief in God make for an interesting dichotomy.

Especially when some professionals with fundamentalist Christian beliefs insist the study of UFOs has satanic roots.

I've never minded contradictions. They're what make you think outside the box.

Sort of like Science and Religion.

#90 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2025-11-24 10:05 AM

"I've always heard that the reason the US government wants to deny the existence of anything extraterrestrial is the panic and severe and immediate change in people's thinking that could lead to who knows what?"

^
This is the same reason conservatives like LftHndThrds and BillJohnson say we shouldn't release the Epstein Files.
I just want to call out, it's the same mindset at work:
The truth is too big, and too horrible, to reveal.

#91 | Posted by snoofy at 2025-11-24 10:14 AM

Db,

There's guesses and educated guesses.

They're both guesses.

Some people in this film claim they are beyond guesses.

One thing mentioned in the film is the impact on the economy if one day the President said, "we are not alone and we have proof"

Good comparison to Orson Welles radio broadcast people believed was real.

It would swamp the airwaves and internet traffic.

#92 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2025-11-24 10:18 AM

A short little read from 1955 that I think would appeal to just about everyone interested in this topic:

Philip Wylie, The Answer

www.amazon.com

Major General Marcus Scott is a seasoned veteran of combat, a loyal American, and a skeptic in a volatile world. But amid the aftermath of a nuclear weapons test in the South Pacific, everything Scott believes -- and refuses to believe -- will be turned upside down.

In a pool of clear water lies a single casualty of the blast, a beautiful winged being certainly not of this earth. And when a second celestial creature is discovered following a Russian H-bomb test, the military establishments of two major powers are thrown into chaos. Sworn enemies, each pledged to the other's destruction, they must now deal with the unthinkable and the impossible: that the Cold War has transcended the boundaries of the world, reaching into heaven to bring down angels.

#93 | Posted by Dbt2 at 2025-11-24 10:23 AM

One thing mentioned in the film is the impact on the economy if one day the President said, "we are not alone and we have proof"

So uh, what impact would that have on the economy?
Because everything I'm seeing says, whoever can reverse engineer the alien tech first, has a huge advantage.

Only reason not to disclose if maybe China has reverse engineered more, right?

#94 | Posted by snoofy at 2025-11-24 10:23 AM

Snoofy,

There are deaths associated with keeping the secret about this topic.

The horror should probably be kept hidden from the public.

#95 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2025-11-24 10:23 AM

"The horror should probably be kept hidden from the public."

Why?
That's the same thing you say about Epstein Files.
Why not just let people know the truth?

You're some kind of sicko who has secrets to hide, aren't you?

#96 | Posted by snoofy at 2025-11-24 10:24 AM

"It would swamp the airwaves and internet traffic."

So freaking what?
Kim Kardashian's ass did that too.

#97 | Posted by snoofy at 2025-11-24 10:25 AM

BJ is out of control, just can't help himself... channeling H-rat; who can at least tell a Grey from a Time Lord.

#98 | Posted by Corky at 2025-11-24 10:32 AM

Snoofy,

Don't pretend you don't have secrets you will take to your grave.

We're done now. When you post insulting words, the exchange is over.

#99 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2025-11-24 10:32 AM

From the manuscript I'm working on. I just read this:

When it is trusted, outside criticism, while incapable of convincing, is nonetheless capable of destabilizing our commitments to the norms it challenges and rendering us normatively ambivalent toward them, in ways we can never achieve alone. And once ambivalated, we are able to appraise them self-critically. It is in this sense, we argue, that there exists a highly significant philosophical difference between conversing with ourselves and with others: Others cannot convince us to change our minds, only we can. But we can only do so after being rendered sufficiently ambivalent, which is something we cannot do, only others!

In my words, people have to be softened up to have the ability to shift their thinking, and they need to listen to disagreeable voices to do so.

#100 | Posted by Dbt2 at 2025-11-24 10:35 AM

We're done now. When you post insulting words, the exchange is over.

#99 | Posted by BillJohnson

You told me just the other day you only scatter if someone brings your wife into it. Get a grip.

#101 | Posted by Dbt2 at 2025-11-24 10:36 AM

"Don't pretend you don't have secrets you will take to your grave."

I don't. Fourth step. Feels pretty good.

#102 | Posted by Dbt2 at 2025-11-24 10:37 AM

"Don't pretend you don't have secrets you will take to your grave."

Oh come on.
If you don't think your Jesus knows your secrets, what's the point of believing in Him?
You're just a hot mess.
Scared of your own shadow, and for what?
You can't even say. You don't even know.

#103 | Posted by snoofy at 2025-11-24 10:37 AM

"Don't pretend you don't have secrets you will take to your grave."
I don't. Fourth step. Feels pretty good.
#102 | Posted by Dbt2

I was going to say something similar but for me it's more interesting, the notion that a man has certain secrets he simply must keep, at all costs.

That's a broken man.

#104 | Posted by snoofy at 2025-11-24 10:38 AM

Unless his secret is he has proof the aliens are real or something. But no, his secret is not world news. It's probably just something he regrets doing and would prefer to bury the memory of, but doesn't understand why that isn't working. The kind of thing Trump sweeps under the rug with his twenty five sexual misconduct legal settlements.

#105 | Posted by snoofy at 2025-11-24 10:40 AM

Db,
There's guesses and educated guesses.
--BillJ

I'd say the same goes for Trump's sexual history. Especially since he's proud of his behavior, as live, unfiltered interviews with Howard Stern and others from many years ago have shown.

#106 | Posted by Dbt2 at 2025-11-24 10:41 AM

Snoofy,

If you are claiming you have no secrets then you're a lying man.

#107 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2025-11-24 10:49 AM

Db,

"You told me just the other day you only scatter if someone brings your wife into it. Get a grip"

What is scatter?

I said it pisses me off if you insult my wife.

#108 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2025-11-24 10:52 AM

Db,

I understand what you meant.

I might stop conversing with someone when they resort to insults...no fun for me in that.

People might not agree with me but I don't usually insult someone unless they get on my nerves and have earned it.

#109 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2025-11-24 01:28 PM

Snoofy,

There's secrets that might not want to come out or be confirmed about June 14, 1947.

There are stories of aliens retrieved described as 3.5 to 4.5 ft tall, thin bodies and large heads.

We might have retrieved one alive and we may have shot another one in the back trying to move away.

Maybe....

#110 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2025-11-24 01:36 PM

Snoofy,
If you are claiming you have no secrets then you're a lying man.
#107 | Posted by BillJohnson

I have no secrets I have not made peace with.

#111 | Posted by snoofy at 2025-11-24 01:51 PM

'In 1947, A High-Altitude Balloon Crash Landed in Roswell. The Aliens Never Left

Despite its persistence in popular culture, extraterrestrial life owes more to the imagination than reality

Apparently, it was better from the Air Force's perspective that there was a crashed alien' spacecraft out there than to tell the truth," says Roger Launius, the recently-retired curator of space history at the Smithsonian's National Air and Space Museum in Washington, D.C.

"A flying saucer was easier to admit than Project Mogul," Launius adds, a chuckle in his voice. "And with that, we were off to the races."

It was after the close of World War II, a time when nuclear weapons cast a long shadow. Truth-telling was not a priority, and there were remarkably unusual events underscoring the situation at hand."

www.smithsonianmag.com

So... what's your next lame Distraction, BJ? Mail-in Ballots? Pizza Parlor Pedos? Trump's Magnificence? Your Drag Queen Days?

#112 | Posted by Corky at 2025-11-24 01:59 PM

Corky,

A awful lot of people are lying in unison and have synchronized their stories if you're right.

Even the military is in on it.

#113 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2025-11-24 02:31 PM

Corky,

Even Congress has gotten in on it.

And people have been seeing things that aren't there.

#114 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2025-11-24 02:35 PM

I just don' know who to believe... the Smithsonian or Bathhouse Bill.

#115 | Posted by Corky at 2025-11-24 02:43 PM

Corky,

"Smithsonian?"

Huh? Not worth going down that rabbit hole.

#116 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2025-11-24 04:32 PM

Corky,

I've been reading about this stuff for years.

What's interesting is that the longer this goes on, the more we hear from credible people saying the rumors are true, not false. It's not random bloggers. It's pilots, military personnel, intelligence officials. People with firsthand knowledge.

Watch this film and bring yourself up to speed on what these folks are actually saying today.

I have a question.

My observation over the years has been it tends to be liberals who are the quickest to dismiss the possibility any of this is real.

I have my own opinion why that is. I'll let you watch the film first.

Hard evidence would be nice but the impact could be terrible.

Even Star Trek understood the necessity for the Prime Directive.

#117 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2025-11-24 05:12 PM

Corky,

I've been reading about this stuff for years.

Watch this film and bring yourself up to speed on what these folks are actually saying today.

One person in this film was a former Director of FAA security. He said we are "absolutely not alone."

Now Schumer has challenged Trump to release classified UAP documents. Good luck finding them.

#118 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2025-11-24 05:35 PM

I wrote I noticed over the years liberals are quickest to argue with me but I meant to drop that out after adding Schumer.

Both versions got posted.

#119 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2025-11-24 05:37 PM

Junior, Catholic HS, Dever CO. ...I was sitting in detention for choosing a inappropriate time to voice my neophyte objection to the war in Vietnam, when another priest entered and whispered in Father Xavier ear, resulting in a curse-laden diatribe miles out of character.

#120 | Posted by dutch46 at 2025-11-24 05:38 PM

Corky.

If the American government, specifically the President, was to get on TV and say, "we are not alone", that would have a hard impact on the economy and the stock market.

Just like the Democrats did with COVID demanding businesses be totally shuttered and destroyed the strong Trump economy, Schumer is attempting to do it again.

He would love Trump to actually do that. Schumer could even rattle wall street just by talking about UFOs.

And why is Schumer deflecting away from the Epstein list? Could it be he's hearing from liberals who are privately admitting they're on the list?

#121 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2025-11-24 06:20 PM

#121 Will someone be as so kind to say "Hello" to BJ boi for me?

"With deep consideration of your thoughts, BJ boi ...your friend, A_Friend"

Thank you, fellow denizens.

#122 | Posted by A_Friend at 2025-11-24 06:30 PM

- COVID demanding businesses be totally shuttered and destroyed the strong Trump economy, Schumer is attempting to do it again.

You are actually not alone, BJ. I can see that now.

Your Cult Leader lives in your head.

#123 | Posted by Corky at 2025-11-24 06:43 PM

#121 Interesting "story."

Will someone please tell BJ boi that there is some drool racing down the right side of his virtual chin?

It would be a community service.

Thank you.

#124 | Posted by A_Friend at 2025-11-24 06:44 PM

"Who knows what evil lurks in the hearts of internet trolls? The Shadow knows!"

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