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I may have asked this question here before, just with a different number of years, but...

Where were you 62 years ago today, November 22, 1963?

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I was 16-years old and a Junior in high school. I was in physics class when they announced that President Kennedy had been shot. Keep in mind that we lived in Northern Michigan and it was in the middle of deer season, so the first comments that we made among ourselves was that we didn't know Kennedy was a hunter, since for us, the only time we ever heard of someone getting shot was because of a hunting accident (there's no question that we were living sheltered lives). It was maybe 30-minutes later, when I was in study hall, that it was announced that Kennedy was dead and that this had taken place in Dallas.

About 15-minutes later, they announced that classes had been cancelled and that the buses would soon be taking us home. We were also informed that since it was Friday, and that Thanksgiving was the following Thursday, that school would be closed for the entire week, instead of the just the originally planned two-days, Thursday and Friday.

I was working in a local grocery store/meat market at the time and being in an area where a lot of hunters came for deer season, we were pretty busy, so my boss asked me to come in and work most of the days that I had off (I was already scheduled to work the weekends and after school so in the end, it was only a few extra hours). We had a TV at the store and we watched most of the news programs covering the activities of the week. Of course, everyone who came into the store had to stop, look at what was going on and express their opinions and views, to say nothing of speculating on what actually happened and who was ultimately responsible. While the term 'conspiracy theory' was not yet part of our lexicon, you could see how stuff like that got started and what perpetuated it.

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This is too depressing to talk about.

#1 | Posted by Zed at 2025-11-22 11:56 AM | Reply

JFK was before my time.
But this was a great SNL skit back in the day.

#2 | Posted by snoofy at 2025-11-22 11:57 AM | Reply

ot born yet.

#3 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2025-11-22 11:59 AM | Reply

And USSS S/A Clint Hill passed away earlier this year (4 Jan 1932 - 21 Feb 2025):


#4 | Posted by C0RI0LANUS at 2025-11-22 12:15 PM | Reply

I was having a dream.

It was a dream deeply rooted in the American Dream.

I had a dream that one day that this nation will rise up and live out the true meaning of its creed: "We hold these truths to be self evident that all men are created equal."

But.

It was only a dream.

#5 | Posted by donnerboy at 2025-11-22 12:27 PM | Reply

Immediately after JFK's assassination, the Soviet embassy in Mexico City cabled the Kremlin which blamed "right wing groups" for the attack. This intercepted cable was declassified and released a few years ago. But in November 1963 the American rightwing (through the media) quickly threw the suspicion away from themselves and onto "leftists" or "Marxists." The NYT headline was neutral, describing a "suspect" was arrested.

LBJ would later put former D/CIA Allen Dulles on the Warren Commission to investigate the assassination.

Source: USSR: Rightwing Behind JFK Assassination



#6 | Posted by C0RI0LANUS at 2025-11-22 12:45 PM | Reply

Kennedy's murder was an awful, surrealistic experience with painful memories that remain sharp even this far along.
In my border town people who'd gone across the line to shop or for lunch got stuck there when the news hit.
That because border snapped shut, pronto, a precautionary sealing-off of a potential escape route for the assassin.
It was the kickoff for some really rough times.

#7 | Posted by Doc_Sarvis at 2025-11-22 01:01 PM | Reply

I was in elementary school in Ft Worth near the airport where JFK landed; stayed home 'sick' that day to watch my little brother while Mom was shopping.

My best friend's family were Republicans, and I had heard the campaign slogan, "Nixon, Nixon he's our man, let's put Kennedy in the garbage can!".

My brother and I were playing army with imaginary bolt action rifles, and when I saw the motorcade on tv leaving for Dallas, I aimed, cocked the bolt and fired 3 times.

A little while later Walter Cronkite was on the tv reporting that Kennedy had been shot. Think it was the same evening that the rifle was recovered, and when I saw it was a bolt action rifle I freaked out and thought it was my fault!

Then when I was in jr high we moved to Irving, a few blocks from where Lee Harvey and Marina had lived. Which freaked me out again. Then later, of course, Martin and Bobby were also assassinated.

#8 | Posted by Corky at 2025-11-22 01:17 PM | Reply

Both Corky and Doc Sarvis were in Texas (or the American Southwest) the day JFK was assassinated.

And guess who was in Dallas on 21 Nov 1963?

None other than former VPOTUS Richard Nixon: commons.wikimedia.org

#9 | Posted by C0RI0LANUS at 2025-11-22 01:25 PM | Reply

I guess I was right about my comment with respect to 'conspiracy theories' that I made at the end of my opening entry in this thread...

OCU

#10 | Posted by OCUser at 2025-11-22 01:29 PM | Reply

In Ms. Cobb's (a real b***h) third grade class at Rosa Pearson elementary in Paris, Texas. www.facebook.com (upper right corner, windows faced the wooden two story one stall with a slide pole fire station to the west across the street from my grandparent house the backyard of which I walked to get to school) Ms. Shiver (my future 5th grade teacher and sister in law to the Texas governor) and a sixth grade teacher whose name I don't remember (upper right windows) came to the door crying to make the announcement. School dismissed shortly thereafter,

#11 | Posted by et_al at 2025-11-22 02:19 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Lou Reed wrote a narrative song about JFK's death. Bob Dylan wrote at least one.

The Byrds rewrote the lyrics on an older song:

www.youtube.com

This is a newer reproduction of Dion on the Smother Bros show, which was the prolly the first time a lot of people saw 'Abraham, Martin, and John' live after hearing it on the radio circa 1968:

www.youtube.com

18 Songs That Mention President Kennedy
JFK was assassinated in Dallas 60 years ago today.

www.billboard.com

#12 | Posted by Corky at 2025-11-22 02:21 PM | Reply

#11

I went to university in Commerce, and Paris was a great little town to visit (picking mushrooms from under cow paddies along the way!). I hear it's still very nice.

#13 | Posted by Corky at 2025-11-22 02:33 PM | Reply

Thanks for posting Dion, Corky.

A New Yorker from da' Bronx, Dion tried to re-shape his image from his Doo-Wop background with the Belmonts. Alas, this ballad was his only hit from what I recall, but what a hit.

Sidenote: The US and the American people were in shock and mourning November and December 1963, as you and the rest of us all know. Heck, the opening scene of Gilligan's Island shows a US flag at half-staff when the Minnow leaves port.

Robin and the Seven Hoods was being filmed at the time of JFK's assassination. Frank Sinatra fell into shock at hearing the news in the studio and you can see his demeanor change through the film.

So, here is a song that sounds great, but the lyrics are inconsistent for that awful period: www.youtube.com

#14 | Posted by C0RI0LANUS at 2025-11-22 03:18 PM | Reply

#14 Anyone who can combine history, a keen eye for popular entertainment, and good music is a winner in my book. Congratulations.

#15 | Posted by A_Friend at 2025-11-22 03:20 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#14 Anyone who can combine history, a keen eye for popular entertainment, and good music is a winner in my book. Congratulations.

#15 | Posted by A_Friend at 2025-11-22 03:20 PM | Reply | Flag: "Danke schon!"


#16 | Posted by C0RI0LANUS at 2025-11-22 03:34 PM | Reply

There was a recent ESPN segment about UTC football and the gas station at the north of the stadium. I've been to that gas station. www.youtube.com

#17 | Posted by et_al at 2025-11-22 03:36 PM | Reply

#16 Sehr gern, mein guter Freund.

#18 | Posted by A_Friend at 2025-11-22 03:36 PM | Reply

As luck would have it, I am meeting a friend and his wife tonight who flew missions with USAF intelligence during the Cuban Missile Crisis and other operations. Besides having a UFO story or two, my friend shook hands with both JFK and MLK. And we discuss that period with a fine tooth comb, including stories about Muhammad Ali.

#19 | Posted by C0RI0LANUS at 2025-11-22 03:38 PM | Reply

JFK was assassinated in Dallas 60 years ago today.

#12 | Posted by Corky at 2025-11-22 02:21 PM

Actually 62-years ago today...

#20 | Posted by OCUser at 2025-11-22 04:27 PM | Reply

The article was a couple of years old.

#21 | Posted by Corky at 2025-11-22 04:32 PM | Reply

Not even a twinkle in my 10 year old father's eye.

#22 | Posted by jpw at 2025-11-22 05:34 PM | Reply

I was in 3rd grade. There wasn't anything unusual about the day that an 8-year-old could discern.

But, on my bike on the way home, I ran into a friend, Doug Smith, who told me that he had been in the front office (of the school) and they were talking about what was happening in Dallas. This was around 3:00pm Eastern Time.

I didn't quite believe Doug, as he was known as somewhat of a cut-up.

But, sure enough, when I got home, my mom was glued to the television, where I joined her in disbelief... for the next several days... joined by my older brothers and father.

#23 | Posted by A_Friend at 2025-11-22 05:52 PM | Reply

This is the day folks remember the whole day. Same with 9-11. But this was the the most memorable day if you're at least 70+ years old.

#24 | Posted by eberly at 2025-11-22 06:22 PM | Reply

#24 Etched in our memories... Sort of the exact same way our parents and grandparents felt on and after Sunday, December 7, 1941.

#25 | Posted by A_Friend at 2025-11-22 06:43 PM | Reply

#24 Etched in our memories... Sort of the exact same we and our families and loved ones felt on and after Tuesday, September 11, 2001.

#26 | Posted by A_Friend at 2025-11-22 06:45 PM | Reply

#22

You missed all the fun! Elementary School Cold War Nuclear Bomb 'Duck and Cover' Drills in the school building halls... like that was going to help!

Black and white tv, dial telephones. The Lone Ranger. Elvis. Rock and Roll. Texas Swing.

A young, charismatic liberal-ish decorated war hero President assassinated in the streets for being a liberal, and many of the Republicans snickering behind their hands. Or laughing out loud in some parts of Texas and Mississippi (where slavery was sorely missed).

The Beatles. Day Tripper was played over the school announcement system in our 6th grade by some kid I think.

She's a big teaser
She took me half the way there
She's a big teaser
She took me half the way there, now

Of course, those lyrics were always sung as pr*ck teaser.

Good times... well, until MLK was also assassinated in the streets for being Uppity While Black.

And then Robert Kennedy, who likely would have been the next President, was gunned down in a hotel kitchen, again for being a liberal and not being sufficiently racist and being suspiciously Catholic.

Then you missed Tricky Dick, whom JFK had barely defeated in 1960 and whom defeated Hubert Humphrey in 1968 because George Wallace go 14 percent of the vote, and most all of the racist vote, but who Resigned just before he would have been Impeached for trying to rig the Election.

And Vietnam, where America's morals-free corporate owned President Nixon landed us. And whom Americans of all ages, after my gen prodded them into it, joined mass coordinated protests in cities big and small all over the country ran him out of office and the country out of Southeast Asia.

Of course, he was nowhere near as efficient at corporate politics as Reagan of the Trickle Down MYTH and the Fake Hostage Crisis whom you might remember

Now, since 2010 and CU's Money as Speech, the elite own everything; all of one Party and enough of the other) and including their Clown Puppet in the WH, whom the same white nationalist faux-christian populist rwingers that backed Nixon and Reagan (and GW, who doesn't actually exit now, and never did!) thinks loves them.

It were be funny were it not so sad.

#27 | Posted by Corky at 2025-11-22 06:48 PM | Reply

George Carlin had this to say about these kind of assassinations:

www.youtube.com

less than 30 secs

#28 | Posted by Corky at 2025-11-22 06:56 PM | Reply

I turned 59 days old.I was deeply saddened I guess.

#29 | Posted by Scotty at 2025-11-22 07:07 PM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 1

29:

I was 3, and from what I understand, I ate peanut butter sandwiches for three days.

#30 | Posted by Dbt2 at 2025-11-22 09:49 PM | Reply

I was -5.

#31 | Posted by a_monson at 2025-11-22 10:16 PM | Reply

I was in 7th grade in a Catholic School in Mississippi because the Navy had built a new air base to train jet pilots there and my father was a pilot instructor there. It was afternoon when a nun entered the classroom crying and announced that the President had been shot. The class erupted in cheering. This was 1963 in Mississippi and John Kennedy supported Civil Rights for "colored people" which caused him to be hated by most white people in Mississippi. They dismissed us early and we all went home where coverage of this was non-stop for the next week right through the funeral. It dominated everything; every conversation, every moment people were crying all over the Navy base and in our home. 9-11 is the only thing I could compare it to. I still remember it like yesterday!

#32 | Posted by danni at 2025-11-22 10:45 PM | Reply

#32

Complete total takeover of the airwaves. That was ABC, CBS and NBC. That's it. Complete takeover for about a week.

Mine was NBC KXII channel 12 out of Sherman via translator channel 2. One.

#33 | Posted by et_al at 2025-11-22 11:22 PM | Reply

Cor,

"Besides having a UFO story or two"

Movie Age of Disclosure has been released on Amazon Prime. I've been waiting for this film a long time. It's a good culmination of info on UAP (UFO).

I've been keeping up with UAP info for years and occasionally post on the subject.

If you read my old posts on the subject, it appears my facts I was posting were pretty much exactly what is being said in the film. I've only watched about half so far. A large number of highly credentialed people are being brought out in the film. These people are saying absolutely we are not alone and some claim to have seen non-humans and their crafts.

For me, the film isn't bringing out much anything new so far in information.

It's possible this life form predates mankind on earth and possibility lives in the ocean. One man said only 80% of the ocean floor has been mapped.

You can thank Trump for bringing this information to Congress taking it serious. He demanded the DOD provide Congress with a report what they know.

DOD said, yes...UFO's are real and we don't know where they came from, but do not believe it is China or Russia.

It's very interesting Trump selected Rubio for four positions. Rubio has been a major player for years concerned from a national security perspective. Our fastest manned rockets can fly about Mach 6. These crafts have been clocked at Mach 52 and make high speed 45 degree turns. And drop from 80000 ft to 200 ft in a couple of seconds. Marco Rubio has been concerned about this for some time.

Rubio's roles.
Secretary of State
National Security Adviser
U.S. Archivist
Head of USAID

#34 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2025-11-23 12:23 AM | Reply

Cor,

They have a strong interest in nuclear technology (ships, etc) and both the US and Russia have seen their nuclear missiles arm and disarm themselves. One report a man said he say a light beaming into the nuclear facility.

#35 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2025-11-23 12:30 AM | Reply

BillJohnson,

If you want to stroll down this path, I would suggest "they" are checking our nuclear warheads to make sure ours suck compared to what they have.

In terms of "UFO Tech" being real, the Navy UFO Patents are the only compelling evidence I can think of. The Patent Office doesn't say it's impossible. They simply say we can't generate sufficient energy gradient by a factor of 10^8 to make this dream a reality.

Well, somebody can.

#36 | Posted by snoofy at 2025-11-23 12:54 AM | Reply

Rubio's roles:
Secretary of State
National Security Adviser
U.S. Archivist
Head of USAID

Flag: frightening as hell.

#37 | Posted by Dbt2 at 2025-11-23 07:54 AM | Reply

Rubio's roles:
Secretary of State
National Security Adviser
U.S. Archivist
Head of USAID
Empty Suit

#37 | Posted by Dbt2 at 2025-11-23 07:54 AM | Reply | Flag: frightening as hell.

And subtle saboteur of the ACA (Obamacare): archive.ph

#38 | Posted by C0RI0LANUS at 2025-11-23 08:43 AM | Reply

27.

You need to read this.

www.amazon.com

MLK, JFK, RFK, Malcolm: All killed by the international war machine, ongoing archive revelations and investigations show.

Racism, antiCatholicism, internecine Muslim feuds . . . all a cover story.

#39 | Posted by Dbt2 at 2025-11-23 10:21 AM | Reply

Here at last is the long-awaited sequel to James Douglass's bestselling work, JFK and the Unspeakable: Why He Died and Why It Matters. That book, unlike most books that posit a conspiracy in JFK's assassination, focuses less on "who dunnit" as on "why they dunnit." Douglas's answer was to trace the steps by which JFK moved from being a traditional Cold Warrior to a prophetic commitment to peace, willing to risk his own life in order to avoid nuclear war. In particular JFK's partnership in pursuit of peace with ostensible adversary, Nikita Khrushchev, caused him to be regarded as a traitor by elements of the military-industrial-intelligence complex who deployed the mechanisms of the National Security State--which had previously targeted foreign "threats"--to neutralize the President of the United States.

This new volume necessarily returns to the story of JFK, and demonstrates how the same story was enacted again and again in the deaths of his brother, Bobby Kennedy, as well as the killings of Malcolm X and Martin Luther King, Jr. In each case, American figures who made a prophetic commitment to peace and social transformation were regarded as enemies of the state who had to be eliminated. Douglass believes that this hidden history holds a key to recovering and advancing their mission, and setting our country and the world on a path to peace.

#40 | Posted by Dbt2 at 2025-11-23 10:22 AM | Reply

The details in this book about how the FBI paid the Tennessee State Prisons $40K for Ray's release, and then moved him around for a year and a half before the assassination alone is worth the price of the 600-page book. Not to mention his manipulation in the days leading up to the shooting.

Before he was sprung from jail, the FBI already has four aliases for him: down to the scars on his face. The four men whose name Ray used were all Canadian, all from the Scarborough area around Toronto ... all working for defense contractors.

#41 | Posted by Dbt2 at 2025-11-23 10:27 AM | Reply

Best Sellers Rank

#3 in United States History (Books)
#7 in Religious Studies (Books)

(Yeah, I worked on this one too.)

#42 | Posted by Dbt2 at 2025-11-23 10:30 AM | Reply

JFK abruptly cancelled a 2 Nov 1963 trip to Chicago: abc7chicago.com

#43 | Posted by C0RI0LANUS at 2025-11-23 10:33 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

JFK Cuban Hit team...

"Authorities found high-powered weapons and ammunition in a boarding house linked to a radical Cuban exile named Homer Echevarria, who had reportedly said his group was "gonna get him"."

www.google.com

;;
Homer Echevarria

www.archives.gov

"A JFK file released in 2018, sometimes implied to have been newly released in 2025, contains a quote from a Cuban anti-Castro arms dealer named Homer S. Echevarria speaking to government informant Thomas Mosley.

Echevarria claimed to him, "We now have plenty of money"our new backers are Jews"as soon as we' (or they') take care of Kennedy," the day before the Kennedy assassination, which caught the attention of the Secret Service and FBI.

Upon their investigation, they found no connection between Echevarria or his words to the assassination. One Secret Service Agent, Joseph Noonan, even expressed doubts about Mosley's report, believing Echevarria was just being a braggart."

aish.com

That's from an Israeli source, so taken with a few grains of salt.

There's a pretty recent book: Chicago '63

www.terrencemccauley.com

And this from Unredacting History:

www.maryferrell.org

#44 | Posted by Corky at 2025-11-23 11:01 AM | Reply

But this was the the most memorable day if you're at least 70+ years old.

#24 | POSTED BY EBERLY

Not quite there so honestly my memory of that day is pretty dim. Tho I do seem to remember it I was too young to understand any of it. Everyone was very upset so as I recall I stayed outside away from them. The day of the moon landing is a much brighter memory for me. I can remember most of what I was doing before after and during that wonderful day July 20th 1969. I believe that was the day inspired me to become interested in aviation and computer technology and launched me on my way to my eventual career in electronics and computer science.

#45 | Posted by donnerboy at 2025-11-23 11:09 AM | Reply

- that wonderful day July 20th 1969.

An incredible day that brought America together for just a bit in the midst of the Vietnam War and the slew of assassinations that divided us.

I am awaiting
perpetually and forever
a renaissance of wonder

from

I Am Waiting

By Lawrence Ferlinghetti (1958)

www.poetryfoundation.org

#46 | Posted by Corky at 2025-11-23 11:23 AM | Reply

I remember there was no Saturday morning cartoons.

Instead, there was a long line of cars driving slow behind each other.

All channels were showing the same thing.

I was disappointed.

#47 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2025-11-23 11:26 AM | Reply

Snoofy,

Maybe the "aliens" want to make sure they can turn our missiles off, if we actually start shooting them at each other.

#48 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2025-11-23 11:28 AM | Reply

Maybe the "aliens" want to make sure they can turn our missiles off, if we actually start shooting them at each other.

#48 | POSTED BY BILLJOHNSON

No one is coming from the heavens or the future or some other dimension to save us from ourselves.

It's more likely they would just wait until we are done destroying ourselves and then step in and take the Earth for themselves.

To an intelligence capable of crossing the vast emptiness of space and time to reach us.. we are Bugs.

#49 | Posted by donnerboy at 2025-11-23 11:35 AM | Reply

I can't imagine why aliens would care if we kill each other. We don't care if we kill each other. People like you say Gaza is getting what it deserves.

Aliens aren't going to save us from ourselves. That's just a prayer in the dark.

#50 | Posted by snoofy at 2025-11-23 11:36 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Careful now...or this will become a Gay Mail-in Ballot Trans Trump the Innocent thread.

#51 | Posted by Corky at 2025-11-23 12:06 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

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