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No S***.

Republicans do have an actual reason for destroying America.

It's the same reason a child takes a hammer to a piggy bank.

#1 | Posted by snoofy at 2024-03-28 10:35 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 4

This has been obvious since Reagan began blowing up the deficit with his voodoo economics.

#2 | Posted by johnny_hotsauce at 2024-03-28 11:13 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 4

Trickle Down economics never, ever werked... and they've been made worse by deficit spending on tax cuts that mainly help the already wealthy.

www.cbsnews.com

#3 | Posted by Corky at 2024-03-28 11:35 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Trickle Down economics never, ever werked.

Sure it does.

It makes millionaires into billionaires and the middle class into the working poor.

Jeff Bezos increases his wealth $7.9 million per hour through the labor of employees who have to urinate in bottles because they cannot make it across the warehouse to the bathroom and back during their breaks.

#4 | Posted by Nixon at 2024-03-28 12:11 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 8

Trickle Down economics never, ever werked

"Like hell they didn't"

-John F. Kennedy

#5 | Posted by eberly at 2024-03-28 12:15 PM | Reply

Given that his spending had proved a flop on this latter score, Kennedy turned to his Treasury secretary, Dillon, who had a plan to cut income tax rates across-the-board, from 20% to 30% apiece. The astronomically high tax rates of the time"the top rate of the income tax was an incredible 91%"was the reason, Dillon assured the president, that the nation could not shake the economic slows. As soon as people started doing well, given such high progressive tax rates, their earnings hit the tax structure, and severe disincentives to work and invest kicked in.

That summer, Kennedy adopted the plan and put the full force of his persuasive powers into getting a big tax-rate cut through Congress. In September 1963, the bill passed the House. It was under consideration by the Senate when Kennedy was assassinated that November. That shocking event moved the Senate and the new president, Lyndon Johnson, alike to push through Kennedy's bill as a memorial to the slain leader. In February 1964, the Kennedy tax-rate cut won Congressional approval and became law. As Kennedy's tax-rate-cut, strong dollar economic policy was being articulated and then implemented in the latter half of the presidency, the nation embarked upon an eight-and-a-half year, uninterrupted run of growth at just over 5% per year. Rarely have campaign promises, especially one so bold as to double the long-term rate of economic growth, been so comprehensively fulfilled.

time.com

#6 | Posted by eberly at 2024-03-28 12:18 PM | Reply

"As soon as people started doing well, given such high progressive tax rates, their earnings hit the tax structure, and severe disincentives to work and invest kicked in."

Well that's just a lie.

Republicans expect us to believe people are so stupid they will turn down a winning PowerBall ticket because they have to pay taxes on it.

#7 | Posted by snoofy at 2024-03-28 12:24 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 6

Larry Kudlow, lmao. Puh-lease.

Kennedy's program basically turned all the discounts on the original 90 percent into what those people were actually paying, more like 50 percent.

#8 | Posted by Corky at 2024-03-28 12:25 PM | Reply

8

you're saying it wasn't really a tax cut....just the appearance of one?

#9 | Posted by eberly at 2024-03-28 12:29 PM | Reply

"That boom came after Kennedy got Congress to try to stimulate the economy by passing a "liberal" agenda that included:

Increasing the minimum wage.
Expanding unemployment benefits.
Boosting Social Security benefits to encourage workers to retire earlier.
Spending more for highway construction."

.

"Congress finally approved the tax cuts in early 1964, three months after Kennedy's assassination. The following fiscal year, the federal budget deficit did indeed shrink. Stock investors loved it. Between 1962 and 1966, the Dow Jones industrial average nearly doubled.

To this day, conservatives point to that robust period as evidence that cutting taxes will lead to higher revenues.

But liberals say conservatives' interpretation is misleading because conditions were so different in the early 1960s, when the top marginal tax rate was 91 percent.

The Kennedy-backed tax cuts took down that rate to 70 percent. Today, the highest rate is 39.6 percent. Cutting the top tax bracket now would not have the same impact because it already has been lowered several times, the argument goes.

"You can only go to the well so many times before you lose effectiveness," says David Shreve, an economic historian who has written about the Kennedy-era tax cuts.

Shreve says there's another factor conservatives overlook: Kennedy's biggest tax cuts were aimed at average wage earners in hopes they would spend more.

Boosting the demand side of the economy "gave us the widest prosperity and longest unbroken run of growth in history" up to then.

In contrast, conservatives focus on "supply-side" cuts, which target the marginal tax rates for wealthier individuals. The goal is to encourage them to invest more and expand output."

www.npr.org

Yeah, so I was wrong, he only took the top rates down to 70 percent.

Then cuts for the lower tax brackets, and investment in infrastructure.

And NO deficit spending, but reducing the deficit instead.

Your Whataboutism is a Fail, Bev.

#10 | Posted by Corky at 2024-03-28 12:30 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

"So for the half century ever since, liberals and conservatives have been debating the lessons of the Kennedy-backed tax cuts.

But Allen Matusow, author of The Unraveling of America: A History of Liberalism in the 1960s, says this much is clear: The cuts were game changers. Marginal tax rates never returned to the very high levels of the early 1960s, he says.

"These were permanent tax cuts," Matusow says.

Kennedy also fought inflation. In 1962, he directed Labor Secretary Arthur Goldberg to mediate negotiations for a steel-industry labor contract. In the end, the steelworkers union agreed not to strike, even though workers would get no raises that year.

Kennedy praised the "obviously non-inflationary" contract, as well as the negotiators who demonstrated "industrial statesmanship of the highest order."

Then, days later, U.S. Steel CEO Roger Blough announced an immediate 3.5 percent steel price hike. Other companies followed suit. An enraged Kennedy condemned the "irresponsible" businessmen who had shown "utter contempt" for their country.

The companies rolled back the price hikes. And throughout the Kennedy years, inflation remained stable and low.

But perhaps Kennedy's most lasting economic legacy was the groundwork he laid for eventual passage of the 1964 Civil Rights Act and the Medicare program in 1965.

Both had the effect of reducing discrimination in access to hospital care for minorities, especially in the South. That improved the health of many American workers.

Matusow says Medicare also helped drive up medical costs as hospitals felt freer to raise prices, knowing they would get reimbursed by government. "

Medicare originated as a social welfare program, but it has had economic consequences."

from the same link above

#11 | Posted by Corky at 2024-03-28 12:35 PM | Reply

"Shreve says there's another factor conservatives overlook: Kennedy's biggest tax cuts were aimed at average wage earners in hopes they would spend more."

BTW, that's the OPPOSITE of "trickle-down".

Anyone pointing to revenue increases as "proof trickle-down works" doesn't understand what happened here.

FTW, a dollar of tax cuts at the top produces about 83 cents of economic activity. A dollar of welfare produces about $1.18 of economic activity. This tax cut was MUCH more aimed at the lower end. If this proves anything, it's that TRICKLE-UP works.

#12 | Posted by Danforth at 2024-03-28 12:36 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 6

10

It's not whataboutism, little fella.

"Puh-lease".....how gay are you, BTW?

Back to the subject.....your own words 100% acknowledge my point. Nothing happens in a vacuum and there are always multiple factors to be taken into consideration.

Everything you post is fine including this...."You can only go to the well so many times before you lose effectiveness,"....that's admitting going to the well worked.

Which means there is a sweet spot. The problem is we leapfrogged way past that to assume there is no floor to this and that's demonstrably false.

Or maybe it's just possible you really don't know what tricke down meant in the first place.

#13 | Posted by eberly at 2024-03-28 12:39 PM | Reply | Funny: 2

#12

Interesting how supply-side as a term is a media success, while demand-side is a, "Huh?".

The Great Society Programs werked as a whole, rather than the current single issue "solutions" we see today.

#14 | Posted by Corky at 2024-03-28 12:41 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

- you really don't know what tricke down meant in the first place.

I could at least spell it, lol.

The purveyors of original supply side and trickle down, there IS a technical difference, have mostly all admitted that neither ever werked.

Maybe some day so will you.

#15 | Posted by Corky at 2024-03-28 12:44 PM | Reply

Or maybe it's just possible you really don't know what tricke down meant in the first place.
#13 | POSTED BY EBERLY

Horse and Sparrows is a better description anyway.

It's possible you you really don't know what tricke down meant in the first place.

#16 | Posted by snoofy at 2024-03-28 12:44 PM | Reply

-Anyone pointing to revenue increases as "proof trickle-down works" doesn't understand what happened here.

To be clear, I'm not doing that. Tax revenue isn't irrelevant but economic activity is the true barometer, IMO.

#17 | Posted by eberly at 2024-03-28 12:53 PM | Reply

"Horse and Sparrows is a better description anyway."

Bingo.

It's like when a friend of mine asks why the richest guy at the table has to buy dinner for two of the nine others at his table.

I point out it's because he ordered the '99 Dom Perignon, Hudson Valley foie gras, Beluga caviar, Surf & Turf, and a 2010 Chateau Margaux, before his Louis XIII cognac.

And now he wants to split the bill 10 ways.

#18 | Posted by Danforth at 2024-03-28 12:54 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"have mostly all admitted that neither ever werked."

LOL

#19 | Posted by eberly at 2024-03-28 12:58 PM | Reply

economic activity is the true barometer, IMO.
#17 | POSTED BY EBERLY

Then why don't you support welfare spending? Welfare spending very clearly produces more economic activity per dollar than tax cuts for the rich.

#20 | Posted by snoofy at 2024-03-28 12:58 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"two of the nine others at his table."

Now shall we talk about their menu?

#21 | Posted by Danforth at 2024-03-28 01:01 PM | Reply

#18

Which is the economics we have today... if the rich guy also borrows from the other guests, and everyone else in the restaurant, to pay for the meal, aka deficit spending.

#22 | Posted by Corky at 2024-03-28 01:02 PM | Reply

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Snoofy, why are you interrupting a discussion?

You're not participating in it...you're interrupting it.

You're so ------- desperate for my attention you have to assign a -------- lying position to me just to pretend you have some relevance on this site other than to be a nasty troll?

I'm against welfare spending? you're a parasite.

#23 | Posted by eberly at 2024-03-28 01:03 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"he ordered the '99 Dom Perignon, Hudson Valley foie gras, Beluga caviar, Surf & Turf, and a 2010 Chateau Margaux, before his Louis XIII cognac."

I do that as well......but I share it with the table.....LOL

#24 | Posted by eberly at 2024-03-28 01:04 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

"To be clear, I'm not doing that."

I knew you weren't. Apologies if you thought I meant you.

"Tax revenue isn't irrelevant but economic activity is"

Agreed.

Trickle up works.

#25 | Posted by Danforth at 2024-03-28 01:06 PM | Reply

I'm against welfare spending?
#23 | POSTED BY EBERLY

Sorry, I must have gotten it into my head that you are a Republican.

#26 | Posted by snoofy at 2024-03-28 01:10 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

-LOL
#19

www.investopedia.com

billmoyers.com

Both the architects of Reaganomics, Stockman and Bartlett, have written extensively on it's total failure.

Don't you feel silly now?

#27 | Posted by Corky at 2024-03-28 01:12 PM | Reply

I VOTE IN REPUBLICAN PRIMARIES. I DON'T SUBSCRIBE TO NOR PROMOTE REPUBLICAN PARTY OBJECTIVES.

This is what makes you a trolling parasite, snoofy.

I'm not a registered republican because I believe in the republican party's agenda.

#28 | Posted by eberly at 2024-03-28 01:13 PM | Reply

I'm not a registered republican because I believe in the republican party's agenda.
#28 | POSTED BY EBERLY

Actually that is what makes you a troll.

It's disingenuous to the very core of your being.

#29 | Posted by snoofy at 2024-03-28 01:14 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

-Both the architects of Reaganomics, Stockman and Bartlett, have written extensively on it's total failure.

You're changing the subject.

I wasn't arguing for supply side in general nor any other tax cut except Kennedy's cut.

Just 1 cut.

#30 | Posted by eberly at 2024-03-28 01:16 PM | Reply

-Don't you feel silly now?

I responded to snoofy.

so yes......

#31 | Posted by eberly at 2024-03-28 01:17 PM | Reply

"have mostly all admitted that neither ever werked."
LOL

#19 | POSTED BY EBERLY

Someone has hacked Bev's account!

#32 | Posted by Corky at 2024-03-28 01:18 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Eberly, why are you so angry at being labelled a Republican, after saying you are a Republican?

You really think you can change them?

Look in the mirror. They have changed you.

#33 | Posted by snoofy at 2024-03-28 01:19 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

-It's disingenuous to the very core of your being.

I'm not going to apologize for being superior to you in every way, snoofy.

I know that's what you want. I know that's why you chase me everywhere.

I can go weeks without posting here and when I return to post.....it takes you 45 seconds to respond. It doesn't matter what day or time. You're there...immediately even though I didn't remotely respond to you nor even about you.

You're there...immediately.

You live to troll me. There is literally no other purpose to your life.

Me

I'm everything to you. I'm your Jesus, your devil, the air, water, literally everything.

and why?

Because I'm superior to you in every way.

And you know it.

#34 | Posted by eberly at 2024-03-28 01:20 PM | Reply | Funny: 2

#32 | POSTED BY PUH-LEASE AT 2024-03-28 01:18 PM | FLAG: Doesn't know what "ever" means

#35 | Posted by eberly at 2024-03-28 01:22 PM | Reply

-why are you so angry at being labelled a Republican, after saying you are a Republican?

being a registered republican doesn't mean I favor any republican party policy.

name 1 I believe in.

#36 | Posted by eberly at 2024-03-28 01:22 PM | Reply | Funny: 2

I wasn't arguing for supply side in general nor any other tax cut except Kennedy's cut.
Just 1 cut.
#30 | POSTED BY EBERLY

Oh, sure!

You posted all that stuff on a thread about the faulite of Republican tax cuts... Just so you could say

"Whatabout Kennedy!"

That is what you did, according to you.

And then you accuse others of trolling!

If there was ever a thoughtful individual on your side of the keyboard, he has been reduced to a shadow of that man.

#37 | Posted by snoofy at 2024-03-28 01:23 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#35

www.youtube.com

#38 | Posted by Corky at 2024-03-28 01:24 PM | Reply

being a registered republican doesn't mean I favor any republican party policy.
#36 | POSTED BY EBERLY

It does mean that.
Words have meaning.
But your word means nothing to you, apparently.

#39 | Posted by snoofy at 2024-03-28 01:24 PM | Reply

"Whatabout Kennedy!"

in response to the statement....."never ever worked".

and I narrowed my retort to Kennedy's cut. Not a single other cut.

And both corky and danforth posted worthy responses specific to that cut. Not you, of course.

In the end, it doesn't matter how right I am or how wrong corky is (just kidding.....I pretty much believe we are on the same page)

but snoofy.....you present an obstacle to that happening. You're not part of it...you're in the way of it.

you're a trolling parasite.

#40 | Posted by eberly at 2024-03-28 01:27 PM | Reply

"And I shouted out, 'Who Killed the Kennedys?'
When after all, it was you and me."

www.youtube.com

Please allow me to introduce myself
I'm a man of wealth and taste....

#41 | Posted by Corky at 2024-03-28 01:31 PM | Reply

"Whatabout Kennedy!"

in response to the statement....."never ever worked".

Corky already addressed that:

you're saying it wasn't really a tax cut....just the appearance of one?
#9 | POSTED BY EBERLY

"That boom came after Kennedy got Congress to try to stimulate the economy by passing a "liberal" agenda that included:
Increasing the minimum wage.
Expanding unemployment benefits.
Boosting Social Security benefits to encourage workers to retire earlier.
Spending more for highway construction."
...
Your Whataboutism is a Fail, Bev.
#10 | POSTED BY CORKY

#42 | Posted by snoofy at 2024-03-28 01:31 PM | Reply

"two of the nine others at his table."

Seriously. Imagine the bread, rice and beans those two are eating.

The guy drinking the Cognac thinks he's being ripped off.

#43 | Posted by Danforth at 2024-03-28 01:36 PM | Reply

-Corky already addressed that:

and I already acknowledged and responded that, trolling parasite.

You see how unimportant you are? You're trying to defend your presence here by pointing to posts you didn't have anything to do with and you're not capable of making anyway just to you can talk to someone.

how sad, trolling parasite.

The last thing Corky or I need from a trolling parasite like you is to help us have a conversation.

#44 | Posted by eberly at 2024-03-28 01:38 PM | Reply

"you're saying it wasn't really a tax cut....just the appearance of one?"

It was the right kind of tax cut. Something aimed at the middle, and able to trickle both ways.

#45 | Posted by Danforth at 2024-03-28 01:40 PM | Reply

I'm going to hold you up a little longer, snoofy.

name 1 republican party policy I believe in.

#46 | Posted by eberly at 2024-03-28 01:40 PM | Reply

but snoofy.....you present an obstacle to that happening. You're not part of it...you're in the way of it.
you're a trolling parasite.
#40 | POSTED BY EBERLY

To sum up:

You're a Republican because you think you can bend Republicans to support, in this example, welfare spending.

Your own party affiliation -- coupled with your ostensible repudiation of everything that party stands for -- tells us where you think the real obstacle is.

Republicans are the obstacle.

#47 | Posted by snoofy at 2024-03-28 01:42 PM | Reply

name 1 republican party policy I believe in.
#46 | POSTED BY EBERLY

You have beliefs? That's a first!

Name one remotely controversial policy you believe in.

#48 | Posted by snoofy at 2024-03-28 01:44 PM | Reply

-You're a Republican because you think you can bend Republicans to support, in this example, welfare spending.

nope.

If I offered you $100K to get just one thing right....could you do it?

nah.......

#49 | Posted by eberly at 2024-03-28 01:44 PM | Reply

-You have beliefs? That's a first!

$200K?

I have more actual beliefs than you, no doubt.

but since you're going to insist you know what they are......then tell me what they are.

#50 | Posted by eberly at 2024-03-28 01:46 PM | Reply

-It was the right kind of tax cut. Something aimed at the middle, and able to trickle both ways.

sorry....I'm beating a homeless person off my leg who wants free booze.

I agree with that.......

#51 | Posted by eberly at 2024-03-28 01:46 PM | Reply

-Name one remotely controversial policy you believe in.

go ---- yourself....you're the one who's constantly telling me what I believe in....so get to it. tell me my beliefs.

#52 | Posted by eberly at 2024-03-28 01:47 PM | Reply

The last thing Corky or I need from a trolling parasite like you is to help us have a conversation.
#44 | POSTED BY EBERLY

You must really think being called a parasite stings, like how much it hurts you when you get called a supporter of the Republican agenda, just for being a Republican.

#53 | Posted by snoofy at 2024-03-28 01:51 PM | Reply

I decided to give snoofy his birthday present by actually responding to him........but I have to take a break now.

But I'll be back........

and I better see that list of beliefs I am so enamored with that's consistent with the republican party platform when I return.

maybe snoofy can enlist some help......a lifeline if you will.......tell me what I believe in if you think I'm such a disciple for the republican party.

#54 | Posted by eberly at 2024-03-28 01:53 PM | Reply

"I have more actual beliefs than you, no doubt."

I'm sure you think that.

You're the guy dating the Republican Party stripper, who believes he can change her.

#55 | Posted by snoofy at 2024-03-28 01:54 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"Familiarity breeds contempt and children."

- Mark -----

"You people are the bitchiest bitching bitches!"

- Rcade

#56 | Posted by Corky at 2024-03-28 02:11 PM | Reply

"I better see that list of beliefs I am so enamored with that's consistent with the republican party platform when I return."

What Republican Party Platform, Eberly? There isn't one.
Republicans voted against having a platform, don't you remember?

"RNC may again adopt a party platform this year after not having one in 2020, Lara Trump says"
www.jsonline.com

#57 | Posted by snoofy at 2024-03-28 02:25 PM | Reply

Gutless little worm.

You wanted my attention. Here it is.

What are my beliefs, parasite?

Or does this mean there is a limit to your lies? You actually can't tie my beliefs to the Republican Party? You can't name a single belief?

And no help for you from anybody I see. No life preserver. No lifeline.

Everybody scattered.

Everybody hates you Snoofy.

You smell worse than a homeless man. Worse than the drunken savage.

#58 | Posted by eberly at 2024-03-28 04:28 PM | Reply

Worse than Trump's diapers??

I'm glad I took a break from this place last year... I needed it.

Why don't you two kiss and make up?

We could turn it into a Gay Maybe Trans? thread and get hundreds of Comments!

#59 | Posted by Corky at 2024-03-28 06:41 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"What are my beliefs, parasite?"

To review.
You asked me:
"I better see that list of beliefs I am so enamored with that's consistent with the republican party platform when I return."
(I sort of envisioned you saying 'I want pictures of Spiderman!' and pounding on your desk when you said that.)

Anyway, the thing is:
There is no Republican Party Platform and hasn't been for four years now.

That leaves us two options.
You're either quite clever, or profoundly ignorant.
Actually. I think you are both clever and ignorant.

And I think you don't quite know where one starts and the other ends.

#60 | Posted by snoofy at 2024-03-28 09:39 PM | Reply

Worse than Trump's diapers??
I'm glad I took a break from this place last year... I needed it.
Why don't you two kiss and make up?
We could turn it into a Gay Maybe Trans? thread and get hundreds of Comments!
#59 | Posted by Corky at 2024-03-28 06:41 PM

There's queer, then there's bent.:]

Ownership society is self-serving by definition.

Desperation breeds resent.

#61 | Posted by redlightrobot at 2024-03-28 11:52 PM | Reply

60

Gutless little troll.

you're nothing

#62 | Posted by eberly at 2024-03-29 10:39 AM | Reply

A VAT would go a long way in solving funding problems.

USans don't want a VAT. Conservatives don't want any taxes, and progressives only want the rich to pay taxes.

A VAT treats everyone equally.

#63 | Posted by madbomber at 2024-03-29 01:47 PM | Reply

"A VAT treats everyone equally."

LOL

#64 | Posted by snoofy at 2024-03-29 01:50 PM | Reply

" USans don't want a VAT. "

Nor do they want an admission that everyone who ever invested in a Roth IRA was wrong.

#65 | Posted by Danforth at 2024-03-29 01:50 PM | Reply

Gutless little troll.
you're nothing
#62 | POSTED BY EBERLY

Nothing, that's the same thing as what's in the current Republican Party Platform.

But I'm the troll. Not the Republican Party with no Platform! Sure.

#66 | Posted by snoofy at 2024-03-29 02:02 PM | Reply

" I can go weeks without posting here and when I return to post.....it takes you 45 seconds to respond"

For you, it's Snoofy. For me, it's Twoothy.

#67 | Posted by BellRinger at 2024-03-29 09:40 PM | Reply

So the Clinton capital gains tax cuts had no effect?

LMAO.

#68 | Posted by oneironaut at 2024-03-30 10:57 AM | Reply

Republicans are the obstacle.
#47 | POSTED BY SNOOFY

LOL

#69 | Posted by oneironaut at 2024-03-30 11:01 AM | Reply

Clinton balanced the budget.lol

www.factcheck.org

#70 | Posted by reinheitsgebot at 2024-03-30 11:04 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

-But I'm the troll. Not the Republican Party with no Platform! Sure.

Yes, you are the troll.

The republican party is something you can literally bitch about until you fall over dead. I won't argue with you because I don't have a good argument for the republican party.

I'm not in a club, not trying to make friends, not subscribing to a party's agenda. Do you ever see me patting republicans on the back for being good stewards? You ever see me run down Joe Biden or the democratic party for being bad stewards? I might accuse the dems of being politicians at times but it's never because I think the GOP is ever any better.

You cannot understand that. You just can't do it. You're too invested in smelling my --- because you believe the DNA from my --- is superior to whatever mongrel DNA you possess.

And.......you're probably right.

#71 | Posted by eberly at 2024-03-30 12:16 PM | Reply

"I don't have a good argument for the republican party."

You.
You are the good argument for the Republican Party.

#72 | Posted by snoofy at 2024-03-30 12:21 PM | Reply

"I'm not in a club, not trying to make friends, not subscribing to a party's agenda."

I can't help it if you don't understand what it means to be a Republican.
But it means something to be a Republican.
Just because you live in a moral vacuum doesn't mean we do.

#73 | Posted by snoofy at 2024-03-30 12:30 PM | Reply

Eberly, in all seriousness, if really doesn't mean anything to you to be a Republican, you wouldn't constantly be patting yourself on the back for your Very Good Reasons for being a Republican.

#74 | Posted by snoofy at 2024-03-30 12:40 PM | Reply

Got any more trash to post, troll?

YOU bring up my being a republican. I never do. It's just in my profile. I could remove it but I'm not. It's the truth. I'm a registered Republican.

Not for the reasons you WANT me to be a republican.

I'm a gun toting, abortion denying, redneck. THAT'S why I'm a republican. Right?

You need it to be for that reason.

Because you're an ignorant, uneducated, mistake making moron troll.

And I bother you. Because I'm not.

#75 | Posted by eberly at 2024-03-30 01:31 PM | Reply

"in all seriousness"

LOL. Please, don't talk about serious.

Nobody here takes you serious. You can see that.

Everybody here takes me serious even those who don't care for me.

Nobody takes you serious. Never will.

#76 | Posted by eberly at 2024-03-30 01:33 PM | Reply

"But it means something to be a Republican."

Not what you want it to mean.

You're dumber than Gracie. Every leftie here who isn't a moron cringes when they see your name.

You're a blight everyone pretends not to see

#77 | Posted by eberly at 2024-03-30 01:35 PM | Reply

"You.
You are the good argument for the Republican Party."

What does mean?

What have I done to you, son?

Where did I touch you?

What have I taken from you, victim?

#78 | Posted by eberly at 2024-03-30 01:36 PM | Reply

YOU bring up my being a republican
- eberly

He brings it up because he doesn't understand nuance, needs to Lump people in groups.

He's a Lumper, it's what they do. Everything needs to align with their narrow perspective or the person is a NAZIS.

#79 | Posted by oneironaut at 2024-03-30 01:40 PM | Reply

"You.
You are the good argument for the Republican Party."

"What does mean?"

It means you think you're a better person than the gun toting abortion denying rednecks you routinely break bread with and pray with and identify with politically.

It means your dumb blonde act is very convincing to you.

#80 | Posted by snoofy at 2024-03-30 02:26 PM | Reply

"It means you think you're a better person than the gun toting abortion denying rednecks you routinely break bread with and pray with and identify with politically."

I AM a better person than them.

And you.

everyone here believes they are better than that person.

Including you.

What's so special about that?

Jesus, are you really older than 21? You're such a ------ moron but it's concealed mostly when you're just smelling my ---.

An actual exchange with you is quite telling.

You really are a completely useless disposable tampon.

#81 | Posted by eberly at 2024-03-30 04:08 PM | Reply

-It means your dumb blonde act is very convincing to you.

Sad little stain.

#82 | Posted by eberly at 2024-03-30 04:09 PM | Reply

"What's so special about that?"

The special part is you saying you're better than Republicans while also being a Republican.

You are the embodiment of why there's a #NotAllMen hash tag.

en.wikipedia.org

#83 | Posted by snoofy at 2024-03-30 05:06 PM | Reply

"I AM a better person than them."

It's perfectly reasonable to judge a man by the company he keeps.

#84 | Posted by snoofy at 2024-03-30 05:11 PM | Reply

"You really are a completely useless disposable tampon."

Disposable tampons are extremely useful. Weird comment from a guy with daughters. But also one that's true to your Republican values.

#85 | Posted by snoofy at 2024-03-30 05:13 PM | Reply

Snoofy, you are a desperate little parasite.

I'm just guessing, but I feel like your ideal world is the one where you are owed something, and everyone just knows it.

A situation where you don't have to acknowledge that without outside help, you probably wouldn't be part of this esteemed DR community.

You're welcome.

#86 | Posted by madbomber at 2024-03-30 05:18 PM | Reply

"I'm just guessing, but I feel like your ideal world is the one where you are owed something, and everyone just knows it."

How is that anything special.

Aren't you owed your government pension, and your Second Amendment rights?

#87 | Posted by snoofy at 2024-03-30 05:20 PM | Reply

"I'm not in a club, not trying to make friends, not subscribing to a party's agenda."

so you're not a member of a country club brushing elbows with banker republicans?

do you all laugh at the rednecks in your party behind their backs?

#88 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2024-03-30 05:22 PM | Reply

-It's perfectly reasonable to judge a man by the company he keeps

Except for the fact you know nobody.

You have zero friends in the world.

Judge that.

#89 | Posted by eberly at 2024-03-30 05:26 PM | Reply

"so you're not a member of a country club brushing elbows with banker republicans?"

It's golf and whiskey. Very little politics.

But you and Snoofy think you know better ... .but you know nothing.

#90 | Posted by eberly at 2024-03-30 05:27 PM | Reply

"do you all laugh at the rednecks in your party behind their backs?"

Do you laugh at the ------- in the Democratic Party?

Do you realize what a stupid question that is?

#91 | Posted by eberly at 2024-03-30 05:30 PM | Reply

"A situation where you don't have to acknowledge that without outside help, you probably wouldn't be part of this esteemed DR community."

I'm perfectly happy to acknowledge my white privilege has heaped copious quantities of outside help on me. Same for my middle class parents.

I routinely mock the myth of the self made man; I can't imagine how you can read the things I say and end up where you're at.

#92 | Posted by snoofy at 2024-03-30 05:31 PM | Reply

"It's golf and whiskey. Very little politics."

I guess that's why you don't know what douches Republicans are.

You'd rather just get drunk, and you don't care who you get drunk with, as long as they're not poor or female.

#93 | Posted by snoofy at 2024-03-30 05:32 PM | Reply

Im not in a democrat filled country club telling people on a blog how im so much better than people in the party, eberly. That's you, mr. republican.

have you always been a rwo-faced little punk?

#94 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2024-03-30 05:44 PM | Reply

-You'd rather just get drunk,

And pick on waiters who act like you.

#95 | Posted by eberly at 2024-03-30 05:45 PM | Reply

Why am I not surprised eberly is ------ to wait staff?

you are vile.

#96 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2024-03-30 05:46 PM | Reply

"Im not in a democrat filled country club telling people on a blog how im so much better than people in the party, eberly. That's you, mr. republican."

Sure you do. Just not at a country club. Maybe a soup kitchen. Or a Burger King.

But you're 1000000% more judgmental than I'll ever be.

You and Snoofy are as judgmental as anybody.

Which is fine.

You don't give a ---- I'm judgmental.

Except when you realize you're perceived as being a loser.

That's on you.

#97 | Posted by eberly at 2024-03-30 05:49 PM | Reply

-You'd rather just get drunk,
And pick on waiters who act like you.
#95 | POSTED BY EBERLY

^
From each according to his ability.

#98 | Posted by snoofy at 2024-03-30 05:49 PM | Reply

"Why am I not surprised eberly is ------ to wait staff?"

Only when they act like you

Which is almost never.

And nobody is surprised you can't see sarcasm.

So desperate to sniff my ---

#99 | Posted by eberly at 2024-03-30 05:50 PM | Reply

From each according to his ability.

#98 | POSTED BY SNOOFY AT 2024-03-30 05:49 PM | FLAG: Waiter

#100 | Posted by eberly at 2024-03-30 05:51 PM | Reply

"But you're 1000000% more judgmental than I'll ever be."

That's really just a reflection of your unwillingness to stake out your own position on politics.

Like you said, it the scotch and cigars that turns your crank.

The idea of e.g. supporting abortion rights seems so alien to you, you can't believe anyone would risk their non political fun time with like minded individuals over something that will never personally impact your daughters since they'll be on a plane to Canada for an abortion if Republicans get their way.

#101 | Posted by snoofy at 2024-03-30 05:54 PM | Reply

"Why am I not surprised eberly is ------ to wait staff?"

Eberly is the kind of guy who calls all the waitresses "Honey."

#102 | Posted by snoofy at 2024-03-30 05:58 PM | Reply

Eberly:

I want you to know the biggest challenge to your credibility is all the anger.

If you really believe you're not doing anything wrong with your Lynyrd Skynynd Simple Man shtick hanging out with your date-raping golf buddies, you would not have such a heightened emotional response when you get called out for it.

The frustration you feel is because you are not living up to your potential.

You're not even trying. I can't say why. Maybe you peaked in high school and you know it.

#103 | Posted by snoofy at 2024-03-30 06:04 PM | Reply

eberly looks down on people that work at soup kitchens and burgerking.

what a bitch.

#104 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2024-03-30 06:09 PM | Reply

"eberly looks down on people that work at soup kitchens and burgerking."

While telling us he's better than Republicans who look down on people that work at soup kitchens and burgerking.

#105 | Posted by snoofy at 2024-03-30 06:16 PM | Reply

Here's a quarter, Beverly. Buy a ------- life.

#106 | Posted by LegallyYourDead at 2024-03-30 06:17 PM | Reply

Every tax cut should be directed only to making USA citizens less oppressed. Every tax increase should be directed to making US corporations and our treasury stronger.

#107 | Posted by Robson at 2024-03-30 06:23 PM | Reply

" Every tax cut should be directed only to making USA citizens less oppressed"

Then why weren't you foursquare against the Trump tax code, which gave more to foreign investors than it did to American workers?

Are you uninformed?

#108 | Posted by Danforth at 2024-03-30 06:33 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

-Here's a quarter

That would be generous ... ... .if you had a quarter

#109 | Posted by eberly at 2024-03-30 06:38 PM | Reply

-the biggest challenge to your credibility

There is no challenge to my credibility.

Nor yours either. Who would challenge your status? You have none

#110 | Posted by eberly at 2024-03-30 06:40 PM | Reply

-The frustration you feel is because you are not living up to your potential.

I'm not frustrated. This is the most attention I've ever given you, troll.

It's your birthday. At least for a couple days.

I'll be over today. I won't entertain you by responding to your garbage

You're a complete POS with no chance of being anything but ----.

----. That's the best you'll be. Ever. ----.

You make EVERYTHING about ME.

I am your God.

#111 | Posted by eberly at 2024-03-30 06:47 PM | Reply

eberly has gone bye-bye.

#112 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2024-03-30 06:50 PM | Reply

101

I support abortion rights.

It's that simple. But I'm going to join the Democratic Party to symbolize that. That's a complete waste of time.

Do you notice that not a single, credible lefty will ever align with you during these arguments, right?

You do see that don't you?

You and speakstuoid are twins and credible lefties have nothing to do with either of you.

Especially when you go down this road of making EVERYTHING about me then complain I made it about me.

I am your God

#113 | Posted by eberly at 2024-03-30 06:53 PM | Reply

"on a plane to Canada for an abortion"

Just because every woman in your life needs abortions doesn't mean everyone experiences that.

And I'll do what I can to let them have them.

But not everyone is surrounded by abortion needers like you.

Your mom, sister, girlfriend, grandma, cousin.

Don't assign those problems to everyone else as though it's that normal

#114 | Posted by eberly at 2024-03-30 06:57 PM | Reply

" not everyone is surrounded by abortion needers like you."

Let's not conflate abortions with women's health care, shall we? The areas that are seeing OB/GYNs flee (eg, TX, ID) won't JUST be losing access to abortions.

#115 | Posted by Danforth at 2024-03-30 07:04 PM | Reply

Don't assign those problems to everyone else as though it's that normal
#114 | POSTED BY EBERLY

That's exactly what Republicans are doing.
Making abortion access a problem for everyone.
And you're acting like it's no big deal.
Because as you so said, it will never affect you.
So screw anyone affected by it.

Republican values, on full display.

#116 | Posted by snoofy at 2024-03-30 07:21 PM | Reply

"I support abortion rights."

No, you don't.

You spent your entire political life being wrong about Republicans and abortion.

You took abortion rights for granted.

And you still haven't learned anything from that mistake.

#117 | Posted by snoofy at 2024-03-30 07:23 PM | Reply

"There is no challenge to my credibility."

Here, I'll let you explain your credibility:
"It's golf and whiskey. Very little politics."

#118 | Posted by snoofy at 2024-03-30 07:28 PM | Reply

-Let's not conflate abortions with women's health care, shall we?

Fair enough.

#119 | Posted by eberly at 2024-03-30 08:29 PM | Reply

"No, you don't."

You---------. You take men into your mouth and ---

This is fun ... ... you tell a lie ... ..I tell a lie.

#120 | Posted by eberly at 2024-03-30 08:30 PM | Reply

Snoofy, my credibility could never be lower than yours.

Not on my worst day.

Not on your best day.

It's impossible

#121 | Posted by eberly at 2024-03-30 08:31 PM | Reply

Snoofy, how many abortions are you in peoples business about?

Not just the ones you fathered ... ..all of them.

#122 | Posted by eberly at 2024-03-30 08:33 PM | Reply

"Snoofy, how many abortions are you in peoples business about?"

None.
My view on abortion are that it's none of my business.
The Republican view on abortion is that it's Republican business.
Republicans have been telling you that your entire life and you still don't understand what it means.

#123 | Posted by snoofy at 2024-03-30 08:39 PM | Reply

"You---------. You take men into your mouth and ---"

If I do, or if I don't, that's my business.

But Republicans like you are always trying to make it your business.

Why is that?

#124 | Posted by snoofy at 2024-03-30 08:41 PM | Reply

-Republicans have been telling you that your entire life and you still don't understand what it means.

What did they tell you? You make it seem like I have abortion conversations with people.

I don't. You do obviously. You're a ------ psycho. Everyone you consort with has to be ------ nuts if they hang around you.

#125 | Posted by eberly at 2024-03-30 08:50 PM | Reply

"that's my business."

The only business you have is to stick your face in my ---.

Nothing else.

#126 | Posted by eberly at 2024-03-30 08:51 PM | Reply

How long have you two been married?

#127 | Posted by Corky at 2024-03-30 08:53 PM | Reply

eberly is a clown and he really showed his ass today. pathetic.

#128 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2024-03-30 08:58 PM | Reply

128

My --- is beautiful Alex and you should know considering how much you taste it.

127

I'm giving Snoofy my Easter gift. Giving him some attention

And it's not like this silly exchange is any different from any other time he's trying to get my attention

It's just that he's getting the attention this time.

#129 | Posted by eberly at 2024-03-30 09:05 PM | Reply

What did they tell you? You make it seem like I have abortion conversations with people.
#125 | POSTED BY EBERLY

Republicans told us all the same thing for thirty years. Republicans told us that they were going to overturn Roe v Wade.

You simoly weren't paying attention, because you simply don't care. And when you did inevitably get an earful of it, you cared just enough to dismiss it as crazy talk.

You asked me to tell you which of your views align with the Republican Party Platform.

You're so ignorant of Republican politics, you didn't even know Republicans no longer have a Party Platform.

This is why you don't have any credibility, at least not when it comes to politics.

Stick to booze and golf and Grindr.

#130 | Posted by snoofy at 2024-03-30 09:15 PM | Reply

"You make it seem like I have abortion conversations with people."

Honey, you make it obvious why no woman is ever going to trust you with that conversation.

#131 | Posted by snoofy at 2024-03-30 09:28 PM | Reply

"I'm giving Snoofy my Easter gift."

He Is Risen!

I'm Viagra for Eberly.

#132 | Posted by snoofy at 2024-03-30 09:30 PM | Reply

So.... are we saying that having sex with Eberly is, "Primarily Responsible for Increasing Debt Ratio"?

#133 | Posted by Corky at 2024-03-30 09:35 PM | Reply

Not unless my pimp raised my rates or something.

Oh well I'm sure it will trickle down.

I bet Eberly doesn't know that women take The Pill for reasons other than birth control.

#134 | Posted by snoofy at 2024-03-30 09:39 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

133

Snoofy imagines he already has.

#135 | Posted by eberly at 2024-03-30 11:35 PM | Reply

-Honey, you make it obvious why no woman is ever going to trust you with that conversation.

It's none of my business.

Yet another admission of lying. You think abortions ARE your business.

You're a Lying worthless punk who will go this grave (paid for by me) following me around ------- my leg for just a second of my attention

#136 | Posted by eberly at 2024-03-30 11:39 PM | Reply

In case some people might think Republicans gave reductions to everyone, here is the breakdown

Income Range: $0 to $19,050 (Single Filers) / $0 to $38,700 (Married Filing Jointly):
Reduction: Generally saw reductions from 15% to 10%.

Income Range: $19,051 to $77,400 (Single Filers) / $38,701 to $155,800 (Married Filing Jointly):
No reduction in tax rates in this income range. Tax rates remained the same.

Income Range: $77,401 to $165,000 (Single Filers) / $155,801 to $237,950 (Married Filing Jointly):
Reduction: Saw reductions from 31% to 28%.

Income Range: $165,001 to $315,000 (Single Filers) / $237,951 to $315,000 (Married Filing Jointly):
Reduction: Experienced reductions from 36% to 33%.

Income Range: $315,001 and above (Single Filers) / $315,001 and above (Married Filing Jointly):
Reduction: Saw reductions from 39.6% to 35%.

The range $19,051 to $77,400 (Single Filers) / $38,701 to $155,800 (Married Filing Jointly) got no tax break under the Bush tax cuts. Everyone screws the Middle Class.

I've said on here many times I think the most wealthily should be taxed more. Or to put it another way, lower earners should get a tax break.
The super rich most likely got their wealth by exploiting people and using tax loopholes.

#137 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2024-03-31 09:53 AM | Reply

My last post refers to the Bush tax cuts.

#138 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2024-03-31 09:54 AM | Reply

" I've said on here many times I think the most wealthily should be taxed more."

You've voted many times for exactly the opposite.

#139 | Posted by Danforth at 2024-03-31 11:03 AM | Reply

Dan,

That is a problem when you vote.

You end up throwing the baby out with the bathwater.

Neither party gives me everythibg I want.

It's sort of ironic how so many people who are either poor or rich see money as their ultimate concern when they vote when there are so many important issues.

#140 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2024-03-31 11:31 AM | Reply

"You end up throwing the baby out with the bathwater."

I vote against discrimination. That bathwater DESERVES to be flushed.

"Neither party gives me everything I want."

But the Dems were the ones who proved your life choices wrong. To the point where you're now suggesting equal rights for gays means second-class citizenry for women.

And then you go vote for the folks who want to turn women into second-class citizens. Enthusiastically.

#141 | Posted by Danforth at 2024-03-31 11:39 AM | Reply

"That is a problem when you vote."

Speaking of voting, how long did it take you to vote in the last Presidential election? I ask because every time I see long lines, the vast majority in those lines are minorities.

At my voting precinct, it was 11 minutes, car door to car door, with about 2 minutes transit to the poll. So 7 minutes, net.

How long did it take you?

#142 | Posted by Danforth at 2024-03-31 11:42 AM | Reply

Dan,

"But the Dems were the ones who proved your life choices wrong."

Personally, I have found some people on the left to be as hate filled as those on the right.

I don't let the opinions of either affect me.

#143 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2024-03-31 12:07 PM | Reply

Tax to percentage of GDP hasn't changed much...
fred.stlouisfed.org

Spending as percentage of GDP is linear growth.
fred.stlouisfed.org

Spending is the issue.

US projected to spend 1.6$T in debt servicing this year.

#144 | Posted by oneironaut at 2024-03-31 12:31 PM | Reply

"Personally, I have found some people on the left to be as hate filled as those on the right."

Lucky you.

Now...How long did it take you to vote in the 2020 Presidential Election? This is at least the fifth time I've asked.

Is the reason you won't answer you mailed one in?

#145 | Posted by Danforth at 2024-03-31 01:42 PM | Reply

"US projected to spend 1.6$T in debt servicing this year."

We should probably find out who changed America's fiscal sights, and lock them up.

#146 | Posted by Danforth at 2024-03-31 01:43 PM | Reply

"Republicans expect us to believe people are so stupid they will turn down a winning PowerBall ticket because they have to pay taxes on it."

This year, I have a lot of longtime investors in CDs owing surprising taxes, since their usual less-than-1% has, in some cases, more than quadrupled.

I remind them having to pay more taxes because they made MUCH more money is no reason to bitch.

#147 | Posted by Danforth at 2024-03-31 02:22 PM | Reply

Dan,

I voted in person.

#148 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2024-03-31 03:32 PM | Reply

Dan,

I also voted early.

Very easy.

#149 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2024-03-31 03:38 PM | Reply

" We should probably find out who changed America's fiscal sights, and lock them up.

#146 | POSTED BY DANFORTH AT 2024-03-31 01:43 PM | FLAG: "

We'd have to lock up thousands of current and former politicians.

#150 | Posted by BellRinger at 2024-03-31 05:15 PM | Reply

Government overspending is actually responsible for all of the debt

#151 | Posted by THEBULL at 2024-03-31 06:13 PM | Reply

"We'd have to lock up thousands of current and former politicians."

No, just two.

#152 | Posted by Danforth at 2024-03-31 08:40 PM | Reply

@#151 ... Government overspending is actually responsible for all of the debt ...

Spending approved by the House.

So, what's yer point?

#153 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-03-31 08:42 PM | Reply

"I voted in person."

HOW LONG DID IT TAKE?

Because you're in favor of "certain" folks having to wait in line for HOURS.

Did it take hours, or minutes because of the color of your skin?

#154 | Posted by Danforth at 2024-03-31 08:42 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"I also voted early. Very easy."

The folks you vote for want to eliminate early voting. And easy voting.

So...less than my seven minutes?!?

#155 | Posted by Danforth at 2024-03-31 08:43 PM | Reply

Government overspending is actually responsible for all of the debt
#151 | POSTED BY THEBULL

That's just dumb.
It's like saying overspending on their part is how people end up in poverty.

#156 | Posted by snoofy at 2024-03-31 08:47 PM | Reply

"HOW LONG DID IT TAKE?"

Annnnnnnnd, once again, BillJohnson directly refuses to answer my direct question.

#157 | Posted by Danforth at 2024-04-01 07:47 PM | Reply

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