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Sunday, April 28, 2024

About a year ago, Florida Governor- and then presidential candidate- Ron DeSantis passed one of the toughest crackdowns on immigration in the country.

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Georgia tried that no undocumented thing before. They lost their keister's in the process.

#1 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2024-04-27 11:33 PM | Reply

More rippling effects from Bootsie's flopper of a debut as just another MAGAt loudmouth. Really should've ditched those heels, Casey. Not to worry, though: there won't be a "next time" for nasty Ron. He's done, gone, fully baked, buh-bye. As for humans, they, like those in the article, will be adversely affected by a goon's groveling at the altar of cruelty and hate where all good GOPers go to worship.

#2 | Posted by Doc_Sarvis at 2024-04-28 04:58 AM | Reply

The left loves them some indentured servitude...

#3 | Posted by lfthndthrds at 2024-04-28 01:36 PM | Reply

Elections have consequences, and one of the consequences of Bootsy's re-election is that many employers who count on low-wage, low-skilled employees are now going without in the Sunshine State. With the old Jewish grandma contingent from Dade/Broward/Palm Beach Counties not stepping up, and the folks at The Villages too busy chasing 60-year old tail, the only untapped labor source left for Florida employers might be the prison population. I would not be surprised if someone at the State has already thought of that one.

Meanwhile at Doral and Mar-a-Lago, the Trump organization is already asking for dozens of temporary visas for Eastern European college girls eager to work in Florida for the summer, perhaps to catch some wealthy American who can offer connections to a green card ...

#4 | Posted by catdog at 2024-04-28 02:26 PM | Reply

the only untapped labor source left for Florida employers might be the prison population.

Au contraire! The state of Florida has loosened all those bothersome child labor laws to take care of the lack of migrants.

FREEDUMB!

#5 | Posted by YAV at 2024-04-28 03:03 PM | Reply

With none of those pesky water breaks!!

#6 | Posted by truthhurts at 2024-04-28 03:34 PM | Reply

#3 | POSTED BY LFTHNDTHRDS

Tell me you didn't read the headline without telling me you didn't read the headline.

JFC you dumb

#7 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2024-04-28 07:30 PM | Reply

From the cited article...

... SB1718 punishes employers who use undocumented workers....

That's the crux of it.

When that law was passed I expressed favor in it because it had provisions that targeted those who hire the undocumented workers.

[Gasp] - yeah, on this one I agree with Gov DeSantis.


#8 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-04-28 07:37 PM | Reply

@#5 ... Au contraire! The state of Florida has loosened all those bothersome child labor laws to take care of the lack of migrants. ,,,

Yeah, there's that.

Keep the kids from studying so they remain ignorant.



#9 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-04-28 07:39 PM | Reply

SB1718 punishes employers who use undocumented workers....

Isn't this what Lumper said was the problem, that employers are using undocumented workers? Hence they cross the border to work?

Hilarious ya'll are concerned about this ...

Is it ok for Uber, Uber eats and other companies like them to use newcomers as labor? Even though not authorized to work in US?

#10 | Posted by oneironaut at 2024-04-28 07:43 PM | Reply

Just a point of clarification. The Fl law had negligible penalties for the corporations HIRING undocumented workers but draconian penalties for the undocumented workers themselves and their families and friends.

The corporations are now having a problem because their workforce fled the state, predictably.

#11 | Posted by truthhurts at 2024-04-28 07:50 PM | Reply

@#10 ... Hilarious ya'll are concerned about this ... ...

I was/am concerned about this.

Which is why I wrote in the message prior to the one your current alias replied to...

... When that law was passed I expressed favor in it because it had provisions that targeted those who hire the undocumented workers. ...


#12 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-04-28 07:53 PM | Reply

@#11 ... The Fl law had negligible penalties for the corporations HIRING undocumented workers but draconian penalties for the undocumented workers themselves and their families and friends. ...

Good point.

Thanks for raising that.

#13 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-04-28 07:54 PM | Reply

www.flsenate.gov

Penalties for corporations hiring undocumented workers:

44 For a violation of this section, the department shall place the employer on probation for a 1-year period and require that the employer report quarterly to the department to
demonstrate compliance with the requirements of subsection

For subsequent violations within 24 months

The department shall take the
following actions for a violation involving: (a) One to 10 unauthorized aliens, suspension of all applicable licenses held by a private employer for up to 30 days
by the respective agencies that issued them.
(b) Eleven to 50 unauthorized aliens, suspension of all applicable licenses held by a private employer for up to 60 days by the respective agencies that issued them. 327
(c) More than 50 unauthorized aliens, revocation of all applicable licenses held by a private employer by the respective agencies that issued them

OHS NOS a 30 day license suspension!!!!!!!!!

And what is the penalty for the undocumented worker?
An alien who is not duly authorized to work by the immigration laws of the United States, the Attorney General of the United States, or the United States Secretary of the 339
Department of Homeland Security and who knowingly uses a false identification document or who fraudulently uses an identification document of another person for the purpose of
obtaining employment commits a felony of the third degree,

A felony

So, the entity making all the money gets put on probation, the peon making $10/hour gets a felony

#14 | Posted by truthhurts at 2024-04-28 07:58 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

JFC you dumb

#7 | POSTED BY RSTYBEACH11 AT 2024-04-28 07:30 PM

I know when to use you, you're and your. So there's that, moron.

#15 | Posted by lfthndthrds at 2024-04-28 08:04 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

@#15 ... I know when to use you, you're and your. So there's that, moron. ...

I don't think the question is about whether or not your current alias tries to use posts here. It is obvious that your current alias tries to use posts. For me, that is a given.

I think the real question is how adeptly your current alias uses those posts.

From what I've seen of your current alias' posts, I may proffer one suggestion.

It really needs to try harder. All it seems to do is further an opinion that it is clueless.


But, I'm willing to see evidence that counters my current opinion.

In other words...

Your current alias is up. What's it got beside its usual drivel?

#16 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-04-28 08:13 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

#16 Your paranoia has hit rock bottom. LFT has been on this site since 2006. Much longer than you.

#17 | Posted by gracieamazed at 2024-04-28 08:17 PM | Reply

@#14 ... So, the entity making all the money gets put on probation, the peon making $10/hour gets a felony ...

Yeah.

Employers breaking the law in Florida get probation.

Thanks for that follow-up.

It almost seems as if Florida wants to encourage the hiring of undocumented workers, encouraging more undocumented workers to visit the Country.

An excerpt from the Border Patrol Union webpage that was deleted during fmr Pres Trump's term:
web.archive.org


  • Walls and fences are temporary solutions that focus on the symptom (illegal immigration) rather than the problem (employers who knowingly hire illegal aliens).

  • Walls and fences are only a speed bump. People who want to come to the United States to obtain employment will continue to go over, under, and around the walls and fences that are constructed.

  • Walls and fences will undoubtedly result in an increase in fraudulent documents and smuggling through the Ports of Entry.

  • Walls and fences do not solve the issue of people entering the country legally and staying beyond the date they are required to leave the country, a problem which will undoubtedly increase as more walls and fences are constructed.


  • Yeah, the big issue looks to be the employers, not the employees.

    Why did the Florida law skirt that?


    #18 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-04-28 08:23 PM | Reply

    @#17 ... Your paranoia has hit rock bottom. LFT has been on this site since 2006. Much longer than you. ...

    And ...

    Please explain the relevance of your comment to the comment it replied to. Or to anything, actually.

    One thing I do notice is that your comment says nothing to contradict what I have stated, so you agree with what I said?

    Or is it yet another 5 o'clock Charlie moment for you?

    What's yer got?

    [channeling Alf] I'm all ears. ...

    Thanks.

    Yer up...



    #19 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-04-28 08:29 PM | Reply

    Much longer than you.

    #17 | Posted by gracieamazed

    Uh oh, seniority police.

    #20 | Posted by horstngraben at 2024-04-28 09:56 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

    #20 | Posted by horstngraben at 2024-04-28 09:56 PM | Reply |

    Seniority police?
    That's hilarious.
    If Kristi Noem was any further up your rectum, you'd have two heads.

    #21 | Posted by lfthndthrds at 2024-04-28 10:34 PM | Reply

    @#21 ... If Kristi Noem was any further up your rectum, you'd have two heads. ...

    ... and the relevance to this discussion is... what?

    Why does your current alias seem to be so afraid of discussing the actual issue?


    Instead, it seems to prefer hurling insults.

    I mean, if insults are all it's got to substantiate what it says, well, that's a good admission.

    So, what say ye?


    #22 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-04-28 10:57 PM | Reply

    False, I'm sorry businesses, you'll just have to pay people eligible to work in the US. Actually it's a major benefit to citizens. Why do Democrats keep trying to represent foreigners like illegal aliens and Ukraine? Why does the lying media always try to cover for Democrats traitorism?

    #23 | Posted by THEBULL at 2024-04-29 08:16 AM | Reply

    #23 | POSTED BY THEBULL AT 2024-04-29 08:16 AM | REPLY | FLAG:

    Agreed. No more hiding inflation behind iiegap labor. Labor who are paid substandard wages and no health benefits.

    Watch as the left fights for the continued use of illegal labor.

    #24 | Posted by lfthndthrds at 2024-04-29 09:34 AM | Reply

    Drunk uncle shows up again.

    #25 | Posted by YAV at 2024-04-29 09:34 AM | Reply

    *illegal

    #26 | Posted by lfthndthrds at 2024-04-29 09:34 AM | Reply

    #17 what was LFT's handle in 2006?

    #27 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2024-04-29 09:56 AM | Reply

    -Your paranoia has hit rock bottom. LFT has been on this site since 2006. Much longer than you.

    He knows that. He's not paranoid. It's just a reflex when he's being challenged. He thinks it's an effective tool to shut people up.

    And maybe it is occasionally.

    #28 | Posted by eberly at 2024-04-29 10:26 AM | Reply

    The only part of this I know anything about first-hand is the fact that farmers do as little as possible to get good workers. They farming industry has always been net positive hiring, meaning there are people coming to them for jobs. Where most other industries have to try to entice people to work there by offering good benefits, allowing remote work (which obviously isn't possible in this paradigm), use job boards across multiple regions to expand their visibility, etc., farmers just have people coming to them by word of mouth.

    Farmers refuse to modernize and implement hiring practices that meet today's working generations. It's much easier and cheaper to do what they've been doing. The whole argument that we need migrants for jobs is very false. They just don't want to give employees what liberals have been fighting for for decades, and yet liberals are the ones behind farmers and supporting them wanting immigrants. So, which is it, do you want people to have livable wages and benefits that treat them like humans or do you want people to be hired into sweatshop conditions just because there are people who will accept them?

    Can you please just get rid of your hypocrisy for one day and see the world objectively?

    #29 | Posted by humtake at 2024-04-29 12:48 PM | Reply

    The conundrum that will not go away. Republicans have demonized undocumented immigrants and worked themselves up into a frothing rage over their continued arrival. Yet the huge GOP business class which makes up the financial base of the GOP desperately needs those undocumented workers to stay afloat - and to keep America's 401(k)s and IRA growing. There is neither a way to reasonably argue that the hypocrisy does not exist, nor any way currently to resolve it without devestating economic impact.

    #30 | Posted by moder8 at 2024-04-29 02:07 PM | Reply

    LFT has been on this site since 2006. Much longer than you.
    #17 | POSTED BY GRACIEAMAZED

    What the fnkc does that matter? JFC you dumb

    #31 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2024-04-29 03:03 PM | Reply

    Can you please just get rid of your hypocrisy for one day and see the world objectively?
    #29 | POSTED BY HUMTAKE

    What a hypocritical thing for a MAGAt to say.

    Anyways, let's cut through the bull here about immigration and farming. So, we've got this setup where farms heavily depend on immigrant labor. Why? Because it's tough, back-breaking work that doesn't exactly scream dream job' to folks already here. And let's be honest, farmers aren't exactly falling over themselves to doll up these jobs either. They're stuck in their ways, hiring on the cheap, the old-school word of mouth style, while other industries are out there hustling, sprucing up job ads, throwing in perks and whatnot to lure in the crowd.

    Now, here's where it gets sticky. We say we need these migrant workers because nobody else will do these jobs. But hold up, doesn't that sound a bit like we're just okay with tossing them into the grinder because they're the only ones desperate enough to hop in? That's the pitch, folks. It's like saying, "Hey, we've got a really lousy deal here... who wants in?" And when you frame it like that, it's not a surprise the line isn't exactly out the door with locals.

    So then, we've got the champions of the left, waving flags for both farmers and immigrant rights, but also preaching about fair wages and human decency. Makes you wonder, doesn't it? Are we fighting for better lives or just cheaper tomatoes? See, backing the farmers doesn't mean you endorse sweatshops on soil. It means pushing for a system where everyone, regardless of where they're from, gets a fair shake at a decent day's work.

    The real kicker? We don't have to choose between treating people right and keeping farms afloat. This isn't an all-or-nothing game. We can pay folks properly, treat them with respect, and still munch on our salads. It just means maybe paying more than a buck for lettuce and actually valuing the work that goes into growing our grub.

    So, let's start treating this like the serious issue it is, not just a political football to be tossed around for points. We need real solutions that make life better for everyone"farmers, workers, and yes, even us, the consumers. It's all connected. Swallow it.

    #32 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2024-04-29 03:17 PM | Reply

    "So, we've got this setup where farms heavily depend on immigrant labor. Why? Because it's tough, back-breaking work that doesn't exactly scream dream job' to folks already here. And let's be honest, farmers aren't exactly falling over themselves to doll up these jobs either."

    Farms are also located in rural America where it's hard to get people to relocate.

    My clients (actual farms....some of you might want to visit one some day if you're gonna bather on about them on the internet) are commonly using H2A workers from South Africa in addition to immigrant labor.

    And it isn't just farms...it's the commerical ag businesses who use them as well.

    Cattle feedyards
    Dairys (which are farms)
    Commercial grain/feed/fertilizer companies.

    #33 | Posted by eberly at 2024-04-29 03:32 PM | Reply

    " My clients [ ... ] are commonly using H2A workers from South Africa in addition to immigrant labor."

    And they're not the hirers bitching. Only the folks used to subverting the law are complaining.

    #34 | Posted by Danforth at 2024-04-29 03:36 PM | Reply

    34

    They are always bitching.........they're farmers

    #35 | Posted by eberly at 2024-04-29 03:40 PM | Reply

    So God Made A Whiner.
    --Paul Harvey (paraphrased)

    #36 | Posted by snoofy at 2024-04-29 03:50 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

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