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Thursday, June 20, 2024

The Israel Defense Forces (IDF) on Tuesday announced that plans to launch an offensive in Lebanon against Hezbollah have been formally approved.

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Meanwhile, the Israeli Ynet news site reported that an anonymous "senior Israeli government official" told the news outlet that "if Hezbollah continues to attack Israel, southern Lebanon will look like Gaza. Beirut will not be immune."

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#1 | Posted by lee_the_agent at 2024-06-20 12:26 PM | Reply

The leader of Lebanon's Hezbollah militant group warns archenemy Israel against wider war

thehill.com

#2 | Posted by lee_the_agent at 2024-06-20 12:46 PM | Reply

Sow the wind...

#3 | Posted by LegallyYourDead at 2024-06-20 02:44 PM | Reply

European war machine raging.

#4 | Posted by fresno500 at 2024-06-20 04:28 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Make sure the 18 to 26 year-olds register for the draft as now legally required.

#5 | Posted by lee_the_agent at 2024-06-20 05:31 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Hezbollah will eat them for lunch.

#6 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2024-06-20 06:58 PM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 1

Popcorn

#7 | Posted by censored at 2024-06-20 11:13 PM | Reply

Bibi's son will be cheering from Miami.

#8 | Posted by reinheitsgebot at 2024-06-20 11:21 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

1.5 front war?

This will be cake.

Remember that time all of Israel's neighbors launched an attack on them?

I mean, remember those three times Israel's neighbors attacked them?

They always won.

They. always. win.

#9 | Posted by madbomber at 2024-06-21 02:55 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Hezbollah is taking out $100 million dollar iron dome batteries for pennies on the dollar.

#10 | Posted by tres_flechas at 2024-06-21 03:06 PM | Reply

Pennies on the $?

Hezzy is still gonna need to go back to their handlers in Qatar and Iran for more money.

And because I don't remember, were you this gushy about ISIS?

#11 | Posted by madbomber at 2024-06-21 03:35 PM | Reply

"Make sure the Orthodox 18 to 26 year-olds register for the draft as now legally required." FTFY!

#12 | Posted by danni at 2024-06-21 04:49 PM | Reply

1.5 front war? This will be cake. Remember that time all of Israel's neighbors launched an attack on them? I mean, remember those three times Israel's neighbors attacked them? They always won. They. always. win. #9 | Posted by madbomber

Unlike the half-measures that Israel has used to address the poor excuse for a war that Hamas put forth, Hezbollah will be receiving both barrels of Israel's Old Testament wrath.

Should be quite a show.

#13 | Posted by censored at 2024-06-21 08:43 PM | Reply

In 2006 Israel made a poor showing against Hezbollah.

This time will be worse for them. Hezbollah has more weapons and fighters now.

Israel is used to killing children from the air.

They can't fight a real Enemy.

Only helpless civilians.

#14 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2024-06-21 09:36 PM | Reply

"In 2006 Israel made a poor showing against Hezbollah."

They won't make that mistake again.
They'll go after civilian targets this time.
They're more effective against unarmed civilians.

#15 | Posted by snoofy at 2024-06-21 09:55 PM | Reply

"They'll go after civilian targets this time. They're more effective against unarmed civilians."

Yeah. In my many years of military training, I was always taught that it was best to waste munitions on targets that would have no outcome in the battle.

#16 | Posted by madbomber at 2024-06-22 04:04 AM | Reply

Lebanon?
Hubris.

#17 | Posted by Doc_Sarvis at 2024-06-22 05:38 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Yeah. In my many years of military training, I was always taught that it was best to waste munitions on targets that would have no outcome in the battle.
#16 | POSTED BY MADBOMBER

Like Hiroshima?

#18 | Posted by snoofy at 2024-06-22 09:06 AM | Reply

Hiroshima was a military hub. Troop camps, supply depots, communication centers, large port, and wartime industrial centers. It also had no significant cultural or historical sites, which the allies intentionally spared. There's several books about the selection committee you could read and become informed.

#19 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2024-06-22 12:46 PM | Reply

Like Dresden?

Like choosing to bomb Berlin in retaliation for Nazis bombing London?

#20 | Posted by snoofy at 2024-06-22 12:49 PM | Reply

Hiroshima:
70,000 - 126,000 civilians killed
7,000 - 20,000 soldiers killed

Nagasaki:
60,000 - 80,000 killed (within 4 months)
150+ soldiers killed

Sure seems like killing a bunch of civilians as opposed to soldiers is how we got Japan to surrender.

#21 | Posted by snoofy at 2024-06-22 12:54 PM | Reply

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#21 | Posted by snoofy at 2024-06-22 12:54 PM
Hiroshima:
70,000 - 126,000 civilians killed
7,000 - 20,000 soldiers killed

Nagasaki:
60,000 - 80,000 killed (within 4 months)
150+ soldiers killed

You have lived in San Diego - a well-known "Navy town" and a major hub for US military and defense industry with 1.4M population and >$300B in GDP.

Care to give us a ratio of Navy+Army+AF personnel relative to "civilian" population - many of which work in "supporting capacity" with Navy and/or defense industry?

For example, Naval Base itself employs less than 42K people - that's including enlisted and "civilian" personnel.

Northrop-Grumman (a defense-related corporation) employs more than 6K of "civilians," etc. etc. In your opinion, does this make it an important "military target" or because the ratio of military personnel ("soldiers") to "civilian" population is so minuscule, San Diego has nothing to worry about?

Sure seems like killing a bunch of civilians as opposed to soldiers is how we got Japan to surrender.

Sure seems like you are just throwing "numbers" against the wall, without any understanding of relational importance / qualitative differences between them, or strategic importamce of locations (and industries they may contain/serve), whether people there are enlisted "soldiers" or "civilians."
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#22 | Posted by CutiePie at 2024-06-22 03:18 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

More babbling. Just shut up. You're boooring and idiotic.

You quote figures without any context or relevance.

It's not impressive.

#23 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2024-06-22 03:27 PM | Reply

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#10 | Posted by tres_flechas at 2024-06-21 03:06 PM
Hezbollah is taking out $100 million dollar iron dome batteries for pennies on the dollar.

You must be referring to the poorly made fake video of Iranian Almas exploding that made rounds two weeks ago? Nice looking blast ("BOOOM!") but there was no Iron Dome anywhere near it.

This had as much credibility as Houthis claiming recently shooting down F-22 over Red Sea (where no F-22s are deployed) ... but the videos of Israeli soldiers firing fireballs from trebuchet at Hezbollah's positions in Lebanon are real - they are used to burn the bushes and other plantations that provide the cover - to prevent Hezbollah fighters from infiltrating into the south (trying to create a "buffer zone"), while at the same time conducting airstrikes targeting Hezbollah military structures in southern Lebanon.

"Some 60,000 Israelis and 100,000 Lebanese residents have been displaced from both sides of the border since October 7, due to Hezbollah sending rockets and drones into villages and civilian areas of northern Israel" - talking about terrorist groups targeting civilians?

That's one reason why Israel is "retiring" their old PATRIOTS (they go back to the US, which in turn will replace units provided by Germany and other allies to Ukraine) and replacing them with native and jointly-developed integrated multi-layered arrays of Iron Dome, Arrow 2/3 and David's Sling.

Israel's MIC just reached their export record of $13B - not bad for a tiny country.


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#24 | Posted by CutiePie at 2024-06-22 04:05 PM | Reply

Isn'treal: All of our enemies are religious fanatics!!!!

Normal person: I see.. And who founded your country?

Isn'treal: GOD!

Normal person: Ah... And how do you know this?

Isn'treal: THE BIBLE!!!

Normal person: Ok,,,, and what do you name your military operations after?

Isn'treal: BIBLE VERSES!!!!!!!!!!!!

Normal person: Yeah,,,,,, and you use AI to target specific people. What is that called, specifically?

Isn'treal: THE GOSPEL OF THE LORD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

#25 | Posted by tres_flechas at 2024-06-22 06:42 PM | Reply

Folks who unironically refer to themselves as "god's chosen people",,,,

Yeah....

#26 | Posted by tres_flechas at 2024-06-22 06:44 PM | Reply

You must be referring to the poorly made fake video of Iranian Almas exploding that made rounds two weeks ago?

#24 | POSTED BY CUTIEPIE AT

No, idiot.

I'm referring to Hezbollah literally destroying a 100 million dollar iron dome battery for pennies on the dollar.

Just like a said.

#27 | Posted by tres_flechas at 2024-06-22 06:46 PM | Reply

Sure seems like killing a bunch of civilians as opposed to soldiers is how we got Japan to surrender.

#21 | POSTED BY SNOOFY AT 2024-06-22 12:54 PM | FLAG:

Yeah, that's who works in the factories and ports. When Shinano was sunk it had a large complement of civilian workers on board still finishing and installing systems.

#28 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2024-06-22 07:06 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

The irony of picking Dresden. It was a rail hub, had 110 factories and 50,000 workers for them. The outrage of it getting firebombed, of disproportionality, come from the Nazi party and their descendents.

#29 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2024-06-22 07:09 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"Yeah, that's who works in the factories and ports."

I guess that's what children do in Gaza. I guess destroying those... consults notes... factories and ports is the way to destroy Hamas. LOL.

#30 | Posted by snoofy at 2024-06-22 07:32 PM | Reply

"The outrage of it getting firebombed, of disproportionality, come from the Nazi party and their descendents."

Never knew that about Kurt Vonnegut.

#31 | Posted by snoofy at 2024-06-22 07:33 PM | Reply

It came from Music and Art lovers everywhere.

The Allies committed crimes against humanity with the Dresden bombing.

It was Vandalism, nothing less. They saw something beautiful and Had to Destroy It.

The British admitted as much at the time.

Sitzkrieg is revising history.

That's the usual thing with War Lovers.

#32 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2024-06-22 09:38 PM | Reply

"SEND 16 BILLION NOW!! THE LORD COMMANDS IT!!!"

-- Isn'treal

#33 | Posted by tres_flechas at 2024-06-22 10:56 PM | Reply

They saw something beautiful and Had to Destroy It.
The British admitted as much at the time.

Dresden bombed because it was beautiful? New one for me. Got a link for those statements? Thanks.

#34 | Posted by Doc_Sarvis at 2024-06-23 06:02 AM | Reply

Asked what precautions the military took during its genocidal war against Plains Indians to separate noncombatants from combatants, Phil Sheridan replied: same as we took at Vicksburg during the Civil War. In other words: none. But that's war for you. Ghastly.

#35 | Posted by Doc_Sarvis at 2024-06-23 06:55 AM | Reply

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#31 | Posted by snoofy at 2024-06-22 07:33 PM |
Never knew that about Kurt Vonnegut.

So instead of facts re strategic military value and importance of "strategic targets" in war you prefer to rely on emotional reaction of writer who was American POW of German descent whose anti-war opinions were shaped by sequence of unfortunate life events - losing his ROTC deferment, losing his mother to suicide from OD, being captured by Germans and becoming POW during Battle of the Bulge...

|------- ... Since Dresden served as a major center for Nazi Germany's rail and road network, its destruction was intended to overwhelm German authorities and services - and to clog all transportation routes with throngs of refugees. The Allied assault came less than a month after some 19,000 U.S. troops were killed in Germany's last-ditch offensive at the Battle of the Bulge, and three weeks after the grim discovery of the atrocities committed by Nazi forces at Auschwitz.

... On February 13, 1945, American POWs heard Dresden's fire sirens... German guards moved them into undergound meat locker.** When they came back to the surface, "the city was gone," remembered writer and social critic Kurt Vonnegut - one of the American POWs who witnessed the Dresden bombing.

British RAF's Pathfinders ("Blind Illuminator") aircraft dropped thousands of "visual markers" on prospective targets, to increase bombing accuracy . The main attack followed with over 500 "Lancaster" bombers. The U.S. Air Force followed the next day and launched another raid with 210 bombers on February 15. German Luftwaffe and anti-aircraft defenses were totally destroyed, with the RAF losing six planes.

Allied strategists were afraid of allowing the Wehrmacht to regroup within Germany's border if they eased the pressure. The U.S. Army alone had suffered almost 140,000 casualties from December to January 1945 and 27,000 in the week prior to the Dresden bombing alone - the heaviest losses by the Western Allies' in the war.

So while the Dresden bombing was devastating, it was part of a war in which such tactics had been widely deployed. Less than three months later, and eight days after Adolf Hitler committed suicide, the German High Command signed the unconditional surrender.

It did not even stand out in the war's history of "strategic bombing" of cities. Most German cities had been flattened by 1945, and many left higher proportionate death rates and degrees of destruction. The bombing of Hamburg in July 1943 killed more than 30,000. The Luftwaffen raids on Eastern European cities such as Belgrade (more than 17,000 dead) or Warsaw (up to 25,000 dead) were far more deadly - to say nothing of non-nuclear city bombings in Japan.

Initial estimates of the number of dead seemed to suggest that the Dresden Bombing was unusually cruel. David Irving would claim in his 1963 book, The Destruction of Dresden, that Dresden bombing was "the biggest single massacre in European history." His estimate of 150,000 to 200,000 dead was significantly higher than previously published figures but became accepted and quoted without dispute, even though his assertion that Dresden was the "Hiroshima of Germany" lacked any evidence.

Irving became a "hard-core" Holocaust denier and National Socialism revisionist, "willfully misrepresented historical evidence to promote Holocaust denial and whitewash the Nazis" and was found providing documents forged by Nazis, including Tagesbefehl 47 ("Daily Order 47", TB 47), a document promulgated by Nazi Propaganda Minister Joseph Goebbels, and the claims by a former Dresden Nazi Hans Voigt, without verifying them against official sources available in Dresden.
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** It took Kurt Vonnegut 23 years to write "Slaughterhouse Five" about his traumatic experience.
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#36 | Posted by CutiePie at 2024-06-23 09:28 PM | Reply

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