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Saturday, June 29, 2024

Thursday night's debate will be remembered for President Biden's disastrous performance. But it also laid bare a key theme heading into November: a clash over how good or bad the economy that former President Trump handed off to Biden really was.

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... Why it matters: Memories fade, but the numbers can give a clearer view of the economic conditions that prevailed the last time Trump was president. The pandemic was a stark dividing line.

- - - The pre-pandemic Trump economy really was terrific by nearly every measure. But at the start of 2021 when Biden took office, the U.S. economy was more dismal than we may allow ourselves to recall.

- - - An open debate is whether Biden's approach to dealing with it -- the $1.9 trillion American Rescue Plan passed in March 2021 -- was necessary to achieve the rapid rebound that occurred, or if that would have happened anyway and ARP unnecessarily fueled inflation.

Flashback: This time five years ago, the U.S. economy was so good that the New York Times was sending economics writers to New Hampshire to try to suss out how Democrats running for president would deal with this dilemma.

- - - The unemployment rate averaged 3.7% in 2019.

- - - Inflation was running below the Fed's 2% target and average hourly earnings were rising more than 3%, meaning American workers' real wages were increasing at a comfortable clip.

- - - With inflation well-contained, the Fed cut rates three times that year, a "mid-cycle adjustment," as chair Jerome Powell called it, that seemed poised to keep the economy on its happy growth trajectory.

Yes, but: By the end of 2020, it was a very different story. The pandemic was still raging, with deaths peaking the first week of January 2021.

- - - The unemployment rate stood at 6.7% in December 2020, the month before Biden took office. There were 9.3 million fewer jobs that month than a year earlier, and Q4 GDP was 1.1% below 2019 levels. ...


#1 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-06-29 01:02 AM | Reply

"Numbers? Numbers?

Numbers are like Facts; they are whatever Trump says they are!"

Trump's lies can be debunked ad infinitum, but Trumpers really don't care about facts, only about what Dear Leader says, no matter how reality-free.

#2 | Posted by Corky at 2024-06-29 01:59 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 6

This isn't really a fair discussion without going into the economy Trump inherited from Obama, which was also fantastic. Trump had to do very little for that to continue. And he should get very little credit as it did continue.

#3 | Posted by Whatsleft at 2024-06-29 03:40 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Work those numbers baby! Oh yeah!
Everything cost twice what it did, but look! Numbers!

#4 | Posted by look_inward at 2024-06-29 04:58 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#4 | POSTED BY LOOK_INWARD

You won't find anywhere else on the planet that has lowered the inflation rate quicker than the United States.

Swallow it.

#5 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2024-06-29 05:50 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 7

Work those numbers baby! Oh yeah!
Everything cost twice what it did, but look! Numbers!

#4 | POSTED BY LOOK_INWARD

But definitely don't look at them.

Keep looking inward.

#6 | Posted by donnerboy at 2024-06-29 07:55 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Everything dotard touches dies.

'Nothing compares': Unemployment filings top 1 million for 20th straight week

abcnews.go.com

#7 | Posted by reinheitsgebot at 2024-06-29 08:05 PM | Reply

This is cute.... The reckoning is coming.... be patient..

#8 | Posted by lfthndthrds at 2024-06-29 09:48 PM | Reply

Your headline should read, " The economy COVID handed Biden. More from the article

The primary thing that has been driving the statistics is just the public health emergency, the fact that if you leave your home, if you go to work, if you go to shop, you face a higher risk of becoming infected than if you just stay at home," he said. "And that is the driver of a weak economy, people aren't shopping for things, people aren't leaving their homes, they're not as willing to go risk their lives by going to work"

I'm not taking Trumps side on this, I am saying that it is very difficult to make fair judgements against either candidates handling of the COVID economy. Those that do simply manipulate the myriad of statistics to suit their desired interpretation.

One of the most troubling things about the debate and the discussion is the focus on the past. I'm more interested in the future.

#9 | Posted by Miranda7 at 2024-06-29 10:26 PM | Reply

I remember Faucis lockdowns ------- over the entire economy. In fact that fascist ------- twerp owes the country about 7 trillion dollars

#10 | Posted by THEBULL at 2024-06-30 01:24 AM | Reply

False memories from those who traffic in "alternative facts."

#11 | Posted by Doc_Sarvis at 2024-06-30 05:19 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 5

No, Doc, I think the Bull is right! Experts on disease and human health are fascists. They go into the health professions so they can rule the world with an iron fist.

Just like all the other scientists. It's all about power. They act like they're studying cells and biology and climate and all that nerdy stuff, but in reality they're meeting at "laboratories" to continue plotting to take over the world with microscopes, books and slide rules.

Only Donald Trump knows the truth, not these mean scientists.

#12 | Posted by cbob at 2024-06-30 07:19 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

They're all Pinky and The Brain I tells ya!

#13 | Posted by YAV at 2024-06-30 08:18 AM | Reply

" They're all Pinky and The Brain I tells ya!

#13 | POSTED BY YAV AT 2024-06-30 08:18 AM | FLAG: "

Pinky and the brain?

Is that a reference to Pinky Tuscadero?

#14 | Posted by BellRinger at 2024-06-30 11:42 AM | Reply

Pinky and the brain?
Is that a reference to Pinky Tuscadero?

#14 | POSTED BY BELLRINGER

You could try Googling "Pinky and the Brain", instead of simply making an ignorant comment.

...Oh wait. I forgot who you are for a moment.

#15 | Posted by Whatsleft at 2024-06-30 05:07 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Oh wait. I forgot who you are for a moment.

#15 | Posted by Whatsleft at 2024-06-30 05:07 PM | Reply | Flag

No one forgot who you are. or who you're voting for. especially the hungry people...loser

#16 | Posted by lfthndthrds at 2024-06-30 10:36 PM | Reply

Whatsleft has a pic of his neighbor he's feeding in his wallet and didn't even know it.....

#17 | Posted by lfthndthrds at 2024-06-30 10:37 PM | Reply

Let's bring some actual data to this discussion:

The peak full time employment under Trump occurred in Dec'2019 at 131.7M, when Trump took office in Jan'17, the full time number was at 124.6M meaning that he created 7.1M full time jobs with ~93% of those jobs in the private sector.

For Biden, his current full time number is 133.3M, a 1.6M increase from the number Trump achieved without accounting for 'bounce back' jobs due to covid. Of the 1.6M jobs, roughly 70% were in the private sector. Also, in terms of full time jobs, they have actually decreased from Biden's high in Jan'23 by ~1.5M (many high paying in tech) and that is a big part of the reason why people are seeing a weak economy now.

Further, we have had anywhere between 10-19M illegals enter the country - assuming 70% are of working age, we would need to grow jobs by 7M at a minimum just to account for them - which we see in the boom in part time jobs. What this means is that native born citizens have less total employment now than under Trump. Further outside of those making $7.25-$15.00 per hour in 2021), the remaining employees (predominantly middle class) have seen inflation far outpace wage growth - so yes indeed, they should feel poorer because they are.

In terms of native born US citizens, employment peaked at 131.7M in Oct 2019 and is currently 130.5M - so, down 1.2M under Biden....yeah, a lot of those were 'black jobs' taken by illegals so again, the anger is justified.

US native born population
fred.stlouisfed.org

US full time jobs
fred.stlouisfed.org

#18 | Posted by Claudio at 2024-07-01 01:27 AM | Reply

@#18 ... Let's bring some actual data to this discussion: ...

OK, let's, but without the editorial comment.

Oh wait, that stipulation seems to negate your comment.

... Further, we have had anywhere between 10-19M illegals enter the country ...

Maybe your current alias should criticize the red-state employers who seem to employ those folk?

And, thank-you for the links your current alias provides in the comment.

But do they really bolster the case your current alias presents?

If so, how?



#19 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-07-01 01:44 AM | Reply

"Maybe your current alias should criticize the red-state employers who seem to employ those folk?"

Any employer knowingly hiring illegals should be jailed.

"And, thank-you for the links your current alias provides in the comment.
But do they really bolster the case your current alias presents?
If so, how?
#19 | POSTED BY LAMPLIGHTER"

They 100% back my comments and the reasons why people think the economy is broken - because of native born, middle class US citizens, it is. That is why people think Biden is mentally unfit when we tries to tout his accomplishments on the economy.

#20 | Posted by Claudio at 2024-07-01 02:29 AM | Reply

Yeah, they don't back your comments. The links is good, though, as are the "Data Suggestions Based On Your Search". So thanks for that. BTW, you can actually edit the dates and put in the start of Trump's term to the end of the available data (5-1-2024). Biden's term picks up on January 2021.

Let me make it easier, at least on Trump's numbers:
www.factcheck.org
Biden (so far in 3 years):
www.factcheck.org

#21 | Posted by YAV at 2024-07-01 09:21 AM | Reply

"#21 | POSTED BY YAV"

So, you are suggesting that we just ignore the impact of covid? Again, this is why liberals are not taken seriously and your 'strong economy' arguments are rejected by average Americans.

#22 | Posted by Claudio at 2024-07-01 09:37 AM | Reply

"So, you are suggesting that we just ignore the impact of covid?"

Trump did.

#23 | Posted by snoofy at 2024-07-01 09:41 AM | Reply

#22 - I didn't even come close to saying that. Pretty sad you have to resort to putting words in my mouth that you can then argue with yourself.

#24 | Posted by YAV at 2024-07-01 09:50 AM | Reply

#23 - exactly. I'm including it, and it's impact in our recovery from it - better than any country in the world - because of Biden, and that's why Trump has to ignore it.

#25 | Posted by YAV at 2024-07-01 09:52 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

So, you are suggesting that we just ignore the impact of covid?

#22 | POSTED BY CLAUDIO

You certainly are.

Are you pretending the economic issues we are still facing aren't a result of having to rebuild a broken economy, make sure people don't lose their homes, supply chain issues, and corporate greed following the pandemic?

WHY do you want to take into account the Pandemic for Trump but not Biden?

We have the best recovery of any industrialized nation on the planet.

#26 | Posted by Sycophant at 2024-07-01 12:12 PM | Reply

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