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Wednesday, July 10, 2024

The melting of one of North America's largest ice fields has accelerated and could soon reach an irreversible tipping point.

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... In the summer of 2022, I skied across the flat, smooth, and white plateau of the icefield, accompanied by other researchers, sliding in the tracks of the person in front of me under a hot sun. From that plateau, around 40 huge, interconnected glaciers descend towards the sea, with hundreds of smaller glaciers on the mountain peaks all around.

Our work, now published in Nature Communications, has shown that Juneau is an example of a climate "feedback" in action: as temperatures are rising, less and less snow is remaining through the summer (technically: the "end-of-summer snowline" is rising). This in turn leads to ice being exposed to sunshine and higher temperatures, which means more melt, less snow, and so on.

Like many Alaskan glaciers, Juneau's are top-heavy, with lots of ice and snow at high altitudes above the end-of-summer snowline. This previously sustained the glacier tongues lower down. But when the end-of-summer snowline does creep up to the top plateau, then suddenly a large amount of a top-heavy glacier will be newly exposed to melting.

That's what's happening now, each summer, and the glaciers are melting much faster than before, causing the icefield to get thinner and thinner and the plateau to get lower and lower. Once a threshold is passed, these feedbacks can accelerate melt and drive a self-perpetuating loss of snow and ice which would continue even if the world were to stop warming.

Ice is melting faster than ever ...


#1 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-07-10 12:47 AM | Reply

Good. Burn it down.

#2 | Posted by look_inward at 2024-07-10 08:44 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Good. Burn it down.

#2 | Posted by look_inward at 2024-07-10 08:44 PM

look_inward Larping as someone who actually believes in anthropogenic climate change.

lol.

It's real whether you believe it or not.

Happy extinction.

#3 | Posted by billy_boy at 2024-07-10 09:12 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

You know... I used to tell deniers about how during the time I lived there I saw three glaciers recede. When I first moved there, if I stood on my roof I could see 5 ... 3 had receded out of view when I left 14 years later. I remember people giving me lofty explanations on how it was a hoax... I know what I saw with my own two eyes.

#4 | Posted by RightisTrite at 2024-07-10 09:31 PM | Reply

I've mapped AK for the last 23 years.
It is all very real (GW and ice pack loss)

We need to be off of Fossil Fuels yesterday.
We need to get rid of single use plastics yesterday.
We need to halt plastics flowing into the ocean yesterday...

We have so much work to do. And it all should have been
done already.

#5 | Posted by earthmuse at 2024-07-11 06:31 AM | Reply

We are screwed, thanks to the Big Oil boys and the politicians they bought off to make fossil fuels mandatory across the country. It was "drill, baby, drill" for decades when we should have been working together to find a way to control human caused global warming. And still the idiot Republican Party is running a "drill, baby, drill" advocate for President.

#6 | Posted by Hughmass at 2024-07-11 06:37 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

There are positive changes afoot. It is not ALL doom and gloom.
However, it is so very much a likely case of too little too late...

On the positive side: Germany (the world leader for large countries)
now produces 65% of its total energy needs from
Green Energy Sources.

The E.U. for the first time ever, just passed 50%
of its total energy needs being produced from Green
Energy Sources.

China just built the world's largest solar farm, with
twice the productive output in Gigawatt Hours than the
next largest solar farm. It produces enough electricity
to power something like 11 million homes full time.

And the U.S. (ever the laggard in Green Energy) finally
produced (just this last year) more total energy from
all Green Energy sources combined, than from Fossil Fuel
generated sources.

#7 | Posted by earthmuse at 2024-07-11 06:54 AM | Reply

On the positive side: Germany (the world leader for large countries)
now produces 65% of its total energy needs from
Green Energy Sources.

#7 | Posted by earthmuse at 2024-07-11 06:54 AM

Yeah, they burn trees and call it "renewable energy"

#8 | Posted by lfthndthrds at 2024-07-11 08:03 AM | Reply

source? Or are you just blathering again?

#9 | Posted by earthmuse at 2024-07-11 08:35 AM | Reply

source?

The EU does burn a lot of wood for fuel.

#10 | Posted by REDIAL at 2024-07-11 09:15 AM | Reply

I voted for Al Gore because I thought his focus was correct. I was living in Alaska at the time is why.

Christian right thinks they're making the place ready for jayzus. I'm serious... they don't care.

#11 | Posted by RightisTrite at 2024-07-11 10:16 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

#11
Which is why candidates' religions are legitimate subjects for voter interest/concern. If someone has made it clear they subscribe to some ancient nonsense which encourages believers to speed up the time to End Times of whatever, well, it would be nice to know that if they, say, hold the nuke codes. Brass tacks example, Christian Nationalists. For me, their views threaten the national wellbeing. They can believe what they want, but I do not have to respect it or vote for it.

#12 | Posted by Doc_Sarvis at 2024-07-11 10:24 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Yeah, they burn trees and call it "renewable energy"

#8 | POSTED BY LFTHNDTHRDS

Biomass is a renewable resource dumbass.

And while biomass is not exactly carbon neutral the trees and waste that are burnt are just releasing carbon they previously absorbed. And planting more trees will eventually reabsorb it. So it is magnitudes more carbon neutral than fossil fuels.

You cannot reabsorb carbon released by burning fossil fuels by planting more fossils.

#13 | Posted by donnerboy at 2024-07-11 12:13 PM | Reply

Biomass is basically carbon neutral at decadal to centurial scales, which are the scales we are experiencing MMGW.

Any argument that says otherwise is alternative (universe) facts.

I will concede there is other air pollution (not CO2) associated with burning biomass. Modern biomass stoves, furnaces, boilers are improving at capturing particulates, reducing risk from pollution.

I've seen woodstoves where you can't tell they're burning by looking at the stack. They're more pricey, so not widely adopted in the US where people who burn wood for heat tend to be broke.

#14 | Posted by horstngraben at 2024-07-11 12:41 PM | Reply

The correct answer from the start was- Hemp.
But instead we went with Big Oil.

#15 | Posted by look_inward at 2024-07-11 02:18 PM | Reply

The correct answer from the start was- Hemp.
But instead we went with Big Oil.

#15 | Posted by look_inward

WE are trying to move on from big oil.

YOU support the cult that is stopping that from happening.

#16 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2024-07-11 02:40 PM | Reply

I'm of the opinion that the Point of No Return moving goalposts have already been passed. There is no way we see the glaciers return in our lifetime, because that required actual change back in the 90's. But hey, Al Gore was fat, so you know, we couldn't do anything back then or now.

#17 | Posted by chuffy at 2024-07-11 06:02 PM | Reply

Some places will take advantage of it...

www.aljazeera.com

#18 | Posted by RightisTrite at 2024-07-11 08:12 PM | Reply

I know what I saw with my own two eyes.

One day a man has a beard, the next day, he puts on a dress and demands us to call him a "she".

Do your eyes lie then?

#19 | Posted by boaz at 2024-07-11 09:20 PM | Reply

Italics off

#20 | Posted by boaz at 2024-07-11 09:21 PM | Reply

The GOP will always go with Big Oil.
It is one of their Primary Donors...

Which is part of the problem, when you have
one out of two political parties in the country
ultimately beholden to continuing the pollution,
and fighting change for the better.

#21 | Posted by earthmuse at 2024-07-12 06:40 AM | Reply

I know what I saw with my own two eyes.

One day a man has a beard, the next day, he puts on a dress and demands us to call him a "she".

Do your eyes lie then?

#19 | Posted by boaz a

What did your own eyes see on trump's inauguration day when he claimed to have the biggest crowd size ever?

#22 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2024-07-12 01:14 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

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