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Hamas said its political chief Ismail Haniyeh was killed in "a treacherous Zionist raid on his residence in Tehran".

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Is the current conflict in the Middle East now going to expand?


#1 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-07-31 12:42 AM | Reply

Netanyahu wrote off those hostages long ago; he's been yammering for war with Iran long before that. It's long past time for the US to cut this sociopathic nutter loose.

#2 | Posted by Doc_Sarvis at 2024-07-31 08:28 AM | Reply

Political assassinations and war mongering, that's our "greatest ally in the middle east."

#3 | Posted by qcp at 2024-07-31 08:51 AM | Reply

"Hours after the Oct. 7 attacks [raping and murdering 1,200 Israeli civilian men, women, and children], Haniyeh appeared in a video released by Hamas leading prayers with other top Hamas officials. They thanked God for the success of the attack, which blasted through Israel's vaunted defenses and resulted in the deadliest assault in Israel's history. " hosted.ap.org

Tots and pears for the loss to humanity.

#4 | Posted by censored at 2024-07-31 10:06 AM | Reply

Enemies will be Enemies. That's what War is. Killing and fraud are the essence of it.

Israel is just more ethnically obsessed. More pardon my French, Nazi about it.

Eff,em. I hope the Muslims eat them alive.

#5 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2024-07-31 08:13 PM | Reply

"What was Ismail Haniyeh's net worth in 2024?

Ismail Haniyeh had an estimated net worth of $4 billion in 2024.

Haniyeh's net worth in 2024 consisted of earnings from his leadership role in Hamas, the Palestinian terrorist outfit, and various other financial activities linked to his position. Reports indicated that significant funds came from aid, kickbacks, and control over various enterprises in Gaza and other regions."

www.yahoo.com's%20net,of%20%244%20billion%20in%202024.

He was one of several billionaire Hamas leaders that get a cut of every transaction, but refused to even help get clean water to their people.

F them.

#6 | Posted by Corky at 2024-07-31 08:46 PM | Reply

Would Israel have even allowed fresh water into Gaza?

They are stealing water from the West Bank. How exactly could Ismail Haniyeh stop the "settlers" from stealing Palestinian water supplies?

Him being rich isn't the same as stealing water from thirsty people.

That's on the Israeli State, not him.

#7 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2024-07-31 09:07 PM | Reply

#7

It was the water infrastructure that was poisoning his people, and he refused to help replace it.

"The 65-second video notes that, with a turnover of $1 billion annually, Hamas is among terrorist organizations second only to the Islamic State, which has an estimated two to three times as large a turnover.

It notes that Hamas uses its funds for tunnel-building rather than basic infrastructure such as wells and water treatment, with the result that 12 per cent of childhood deaths in Gaza are due to contaminated water."

nationalpost.com

Top 3 Hamas leaders worth $11 bn, living luxurious life in Qatar

www.hindustantimes.com

Hamas digs up water pipes for bombs...

x.com

#8 | Posted by Corky at 2024-07-31 09:32 PM | Reply

This Dude was a top Palestinian diplomat. Israel assassinated him in Iran.

Besides being Criminal it was an act of War. This makes negotiation with Hamas and Iran virtually impossible. Like if Iran assassinated Netanyahu and then wanted to "talk".

Israel is trying to suck America into a major war. Eff them hard.

Let them Twist in the Wind. No help, diplomatic, military or financial.

Cut em' Loose.

#9 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2024-07-31 11:19 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Besides being Criminal it was an act of War.

Against who?

The terrorist group that raped and murdered 1200 people back in October?

The way Palestinians win in the same way Israelis win. How we all win. Hamas is destroyed and Gaza is occupied by a provisional government that continues to crush Palestinian nationalist sentiment. Just like Germany and Japan after WWII. In 50 years our kids will be vacationing in Gaza.

#10 | Posted by madbomber at 2024-08-01 01:31 AM | Reply

I doubt it.

Not all wars are quickly ended.

Many go on for decades.

Against who? Against Iran. Remember Them?

Israel wants Americans to Die for Them. Like a Bloodthirsty Moloch.

God, you're Dumb.

You think every war is like a world war two Movie.

#11 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2024-08-01 05:08 AM | Reply

Tots and pears for the loss to humanity.

#4 | Posted by censored

I don't think anyone is going to argue he was a good man.

But it should at least mildly concern you that Israel is such a loose cannon.

I, for one, would not like to see the world burn over bronze age goat herder myth-based claims of superiority and land ownership not backed by anything else.

#12 | Posted by jpw at 2024-08-01 09:48 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

F them.

#6 | Posted by Corky

See above.

#13 | Posted by jpw at 2024-08-01 09:49 AM | Reply

The terrorist group that raped and murdered 1200 people back in October?

Oh please. If it's simply body count, you'd be condemning Israel.

You do know you don't have to take a side, right? Both sides are ---- and it's ok to admit so.

#14 | Posted by jpw at 2024-08-01 09:50 AM | Reply

Israel is given the same impunity by America as Trump is given by his constituency. Democrats can't abide the latter but acquiesce to the former. Republicans rabidly support both.

The other day, Israel assassinated 2 more noted journalists and some members of its official government said it was appropriate to -------- prisoners with broomsticks. It is important to note they see every Palestinian, whether male, female, young, old, infant, child, or elderly, as Hamas.

I believe there is an important connection there. It says something about America now and the direction in which America is headed. Even if Donald Trump doesn't reach the White House, America will still be dealing with the repercussions of fostering such impunity both at home and abroad for a long, long time. I think it might be quite fatal to the country as a physical, unified state and its institutions as global beacons for freedom, justice, fairness, and lawfulness.

#15 | Posted by ExpectingReign at 2024-08-01 10:07 AM | Reply

Both sides are ---- and it's ok to admit so.
#14 | Posted by jpw

No they aren't Israel supports many if not most Democrat/liberal causes.

One is western ideals. One is a backwards theology.

To claim they are equivalent you have blind yourself from reality and agree with the bombardment of propaganda.

#16 | Posted by oneironaut at 2024-08-01 10:11 AM | Reply

Members of the Israeli government publicly stating that rectally raping prisoners with broomsticks as something acceptable is a "western ideal"?

#17 | Posted by ExpectingReign at 2024-08-01 10:16 AM | Reply

I apologize for not including a link. This is what I am referring to. Kindly read the whole article. There are actually numerous Israelis, both in its citizenry and in its government, who are up in arms and rioting because they believe that the ---- rape of prisoners is acceptable and should not be punished.

www.cbsnews.com

"Western Ideals" ?

#18 | Posted by ExpectingReign at 2024-08-01 10:25 AM | Reply

I've said that there's no good guys in this fight since day one... and have criticized both pretty equally.

Hamas leadership is just as I described it above, which in no way argues that Israeli leadership is any better.

#19 | Posted by Corky at 2024-08-01 10:34 AM | Reply

I don't think anyone is going to argue he was a good man. But it should at least mildly concern you that Israel is such a loose cannon.

Iran encourages Hamas to murder 1,200 Israeli civilian men, women, and children but it's Israel that's the loose cannon for visiting some payback on the terrorist murderers that Iran was harboring and aiding? Because Iran's territorial integrity is more inviolable than that of Israel?

I, for one, would not like to see the world burn over bronze age goat herder myth-based claims of superiority and land ownership not backed by anything else. #12 | Posted by jpw

Don't know what to tell you. Israel has nukes and Iran is close to developing its own. And only one of those nations has sworn to destroy the other. But Israel isn't going to stand idly by and let that happen. So ... popcorn!

#20 | Posted by censored at 2024-08-01 10:53 AM | Reply

"Oh please. If it's simply body count, you'd be condemning Israel."

That body count is part of Hamas's plan. It's by design.

Why do you think 90 Palestinians died in the strike against the leader of the Hamas military wing two weeks ago? Inaccurate weapons? Carpet bombing? An intent to kill civilians?

Let me put it this way. If Israel were to strike the head of the US military, the resulting civilian casualties could be counted on one hand. Why? because a wartime commander is not going to be surrounded by civilians...unless they are doing so intentionally.

Like I said. By design. Every last Palestinian man, woman, and child is expendable. They're all human shields. And even the loss of a valuable commander might be more value-added if the global outcry is significant enough.

#21 | Posted by madbomber at 2024-08-01 12:54 PM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 1

"You do know you don't have to take a side, right? Both sides are ---- and it's ok to admit so."

I think there are negative aspects to Israeli policy. I wouldn't have been as rash as they have been. But their logic is sound. It's no different than that of the allies during WWII when fighting Germany and Japan.

#22 | Posted by madbomber at 2024-08-01 12:56 PM | Reply

"It is important to note they see every Palestinian, whether male, female, young, old, infant, child, or elderly, as Hamas."

Hamas sees it that way too.

#23 | Posted by madbomber at 2024-08-01 12:56 PM | Reply

Ethnic wars are often seen as wars of identity, meaning everyone is a fair target.

No Innocent Bystanders. Infants are just terrorists waiting to Ripen.

Kill the Women they produce more enemies, nobody is safe from attack.

Nazi like because it's based on immutable differences that are "blood and soil" based.

If American aid and financial assistance were to be stopped. Israel would relent.

They are only so reckless because they know America will back them no matter how inhumane and savage they become.

If they saw clear limits to what the US was willing to tolerate they would lose some of this open Bloodlust and Revenge behavior.

If the US joined the rest of the world and called for prosecutions of top Likud and IDF leadership they would be very different.

Believe That.

#24 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2024-08-01 03:19 PM | Reply

raping and murdering 1,200 Israeli civilian
#4 | POSTED BY CENSORED

No one has raped these people as hard as you have.

Congratulations.

May their souls haunt you.

#25 | Posted by ClownShack at 2024-08-01 03:23 PM | Reply

That body count is part of Hamas's plan. It's by design.

Yea. The Jews would have been just fine had they behaved in their ghettos.

It really was their own fault the had to be exterminated.

#26 | Posted by ClownShack at 2024-08-01 03:25 PM | Reply

If America Bombed illegal settlements, and Sanctioned Israel, like they do Venezuela or Cuba, Believe me, this crap would stop quick.

Israel is a colony the West. They need material support constantly at every level.

Stop feeding them and they will behave. My impression is that Israel thinks they run the US. They Tell us what they need, and we just eagerly supply it.

This attitude needs to be corrected.

They need a firm yank on the chain. To be humbled.

#27 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2024-08-01 03:27 PM | Reply

"This is war, this isn't a pickup basketball game" - Col. Anthony Moreno, 2nd Brigade of the 1st Infantry Division, US Army.

#28 | Posted by bigalxenos at 2024-08-01 04:27 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

To claim they are equivalent you have blind yourself from reality and agree with the bombardment of propaganda.

#16 | POSTED BY ONEIRONAUT

And you should know!

Blinding yourself to reality and bombarding us with propaganda is your particular specialty.

#29 | Posted by donnerboy at 2024-08-02 11:45 AM | Reply

#29
Third grade retorts from the 5th grader.

You got nothing

#30 | Posted by oneironaut at 2024-08-02 12:04 PM | Reply

So the bomb was sitting in the apartment for months.
Activated when knew VIP was in residence.

How many such bombs are in Iran? Only Mossad knows.

The leadership in Iran has got to be shaken.

#31 | Posted by oneironaut at 2024-08-02 12:06 PM | Reply

You got nothing

#30 | POSTED BY ONEIRONAUT

You know nothing.

#32 | Posted by donnerboy at 2024-08-02 12:10 PM | Reply

You know nothing about America. And Americans.

And even worse. You think you do.

#33 | Posted by donnerboy at 2024-08-02 12:12 PM | Reply

Iran encourages Hamas to murder 1,200 Israeli civilian men, women, and children but it's Israel that's the loose cannon for visiting some payback on the terrorist murderers that Iran was harboring and aiding? Because Iran's territorial integrity is more inviolable than that of Israel?

It's disturbing how myopic some of you are.

This didn't start with Hamas' attack on Israel.

Making an argument based on that isn't making an argument at all.

#34 | Posted by jpw at 2024-08-02 02:49 PM | Reply

funeral... put someone new in... okay done... btdt

#35 | Posted by RightisTrite at 2024-08-02 04:34 PM | Reply

This didn't start with Hamas' attack on Israel.

Agreed! It most certainly did not. If you want a brief history that I've posted numerous times before, here you go.

Making an argument based on that isn't making an argument at all. #34 | Posted by jpw

I thought that the question was whether Israel is acting like a loose. It seems to me that Israel was acting extremely responsibly with this killing.

It was a decapitation. One that minimized collateral harm while accomplishing a strategic military goal. On the territory of a nation that already declared itself hostile and initiated atrocities on Israeli soil just 10 short months ago.

If only our own nation behaved like Israel, we could have saved 8 TRILLION dollars on the the Iraq and Afghanistan wars, about 5,000 American military lives, 1 million Iraqi lives, and about 100,000 Afghan lives.

#36 | Posted by censored at 2024-08-02 05:15 PM | Reply

Censored is sooo Stupid. Targeted assassination is a crime. And mostly counterproductive. It leads to more targeted killings, and escalation of wars, the only reason Israel uses it is because they think they can't be touched that way themselves.

Wait until top Israeli leadership starts getting snuffed.

Wait until top American leadership starts getting snuffed.

Then you'll see how "efficient" and "surgical" it is.

Dumb.

#37 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2024-08-02 05:39 PM | Reply

Also Ismail Haniyeh was a top Palestinian diplomat. Israel very "efficiently",made any peace negotiations or cease fire almost impossible.

Israel wants a major war and they want the US to FIGHT IT FOR THEM.

they can ---- Right Off.

Not our friends.

#38 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2024-08-02 07:31 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"Censored is sooo Stupid. Targeted assassination is a crime."

Are you kidding?

Ever heard of Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi?

How about Osama bid Laden?

Some of Haniyeh's fellow Islamists?

#39 | Posted by madbomber at 2024-08-03 07:14 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"Israel wants a major war and they want the US to FIGHT IT FOR THEM."

Why do you care. It would probably go very similar to our last fight against an Islamic State, which was basically US fighters and bombers destroying ISIS stuff. Almost boring...ask anyone who flew those missions.

#40 | Posted by madbomber at 2024-08-03 07:16 AM | Reply

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Just as Putin uses "meat waves" (of Russian mobiks) to gain territory, Russia and Iran have long been using civilian Palestinians ** (preferably children and women, for greater propaganda psych and visual effect on TV / TikTok etc.) as "sacrifice" in Ismail Haniyeh and Yahya Sinwar's own words - the more "Israeli victims" can be claimed, the better, to offend "Western sensitivities" ... and so far, at least until recently, their propaganda "wushu" has been successful:

www.newsweek.com - Ismail Haniyeh Saved My Life. But I'm Not Grateful - 2024-08-01, by Paul Martin (NPR, BBC)

|------- While Hamas continued periodically firing rockets into Israel, not differentiating between military and civilian targets, most of the casualties in 2007 under Haniyeh's leadership were caused by internecine fighting. "Aren't you ashamed," I asked him while filming another report, "that of the last 100 Palestinians killed in Gaza, 98 have been killed by either Hamas or Fatah?"

... They had hidden in the ... largest hospital, Shifa, and inside specially constructed underground cells, leaving their own population to bear the brunt of the fighting. Haniyeh emerged 10 days after the ceasefire. Many locals portrayed him and his cronies as cowards but dared not say that too loudly. He had (in his own terminology) sacrificed another thousand or more civilians to "the cause" and vowed to continue doing so.

... By unleashing a war that "sacrificed" thousands of his citizens and devastated his territory while stubbornly and pointlessly holding on to civilian hostages***, he has set back the Palestinian cause by decades...
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Israel kept supplying Gaza with fresh water and electricity (same as to nearby kibbutzim) - though Hamas has refused paying for it - even when Hamas broke each and every one of 15 "permanent ceasefires" since 2007.

www.newsweek.com - Israel Has Nearly Wiped Out Hamas' Military Leadership - 2024-08-01

|---------- ... Israel has taken out up to four of every five senior Izzedine al-Qassam Brigades commanders ... plus an estimated 15,000-20,000 trained Hamas fighters. ... a significant number of the Hamas fighting force has been dismantled, with many fighters captured in Israeli prisons..."

... Experts say taking out the group's leadership is a tactic designed to grind down Hamas until the organization is unable to function effectively, ultimately forcing it to agree to unfavorable ceasefire terms and return the remaining hostages.
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Short history of Mossad (and Israel's neighbors): www.youtube.com - How the Most Elite Spy Agency Operates (YT, 23min)

Here are some [second or third rounds of] real ongoing genocides, but without the "Jew Problem"... they're not on the news every day, if ever... so who really cares, right?

www.npr.org - Sudan's conflict 1-year anniversary - April 15, 2024

worldwithoutgenocide.org - Yemen, Saudi-backed Sunni vs Iran-backed Shi'a (Houthis) - 2023

BTW, it seems Iran-backed Houthis' "solidarity" with Iran-backed Hamas disappeared after Israeli raid destroyed much of their military infrastructure and their fighting "spirit"... so if it's a better way to deal with terrorists than "taking the win," why didn't the USA and UK leaders get this from the start? "Pontius Pilate syndrome"?
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#41 | Posted by CutiePie at 2024-08-04 04:17 AM | Reply

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** To Hamas, PIJ, etc. and their Iranian and Russian masters, "Palestinian Lives Don't Matter" - they are just pawns to be, in the words of "sacrificed" for the advancement of the "Palestinian cause" of destruction of state of Israel ("Little Satan") after which they can fully turn their sights on the "Great Satan" - the USA
en.wikipedia.org - Great Satan.

*** "Civilian hostages" is another thing that Hamas and other Islamist terrorists have in common with Putin's Russia - they learned long ago that people in Western democracies (USA and Israel, in particular) will put tremendous pressure on their governments to exchange these "civilian hostages" for jailed spies, killers and others who are very valuable to them - cases in point are Brittney Greiner and this week's exchange which included a cold-blooded FSB assassin Vadim Krasikov serving life sentence for "state terrorism" in Germany, two cyber hackers and a military equipment smuggler in the US.

As usual, we "took the win" and had a victory dance, while Putin held on to some "American spies" just in case, so FSB doesn't have to work as hard next time, when they need "hostages" for exchanges.
www.cbsnews.com - U.S.-Russia prisoner exchange includes Vadim Krasikov, Russian assassin serving a life sentence in Germany

In related news, the "'Great Democracies' of the World Unite!" in the feigned "outrage" over death of one of several terrorists who became multi-billionaire "sacrificing" women and children of Palestinian civilians:

- China denounced the killing of Hamas leader Ismail Haniyeh as an "act of assassination"

- Putin's deputy foreign minister said killing of Palestinian leader in Iran "absolutely unacceptable political assassination"

- Iran said there will be "special operations" conducted in response to the killing of Hamas' political chief in Tehran

- Iran calls for "immediate action" against Israel over strike on Hezbollah

- Islamic Republic of Iran Permanent Mission to the United Nations announced that Hezbollah would begin deliberately targeting Israel's civilians, claiming that it had not done so until now.

- Iran is expected to attack Israel on Monday, as US officials arrive in Middle East
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#42 | Posted by CutiePie at 2024-08-04 04:26 AM | Reply

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#38 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2024-08-02 07:31 PM
"Censored is sooo Stupid. Targeted assassination is a crime."

#39 | Posted by madbomber at 2024-08-03 07:14 AM

    Are you kidding?
    Ever heard of Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi?
    How about Osama bid Laden?
    Some of Haniyeh's fellow Islamists?

So that this would be closer to "home" for our resident Putin's troll Effeteposer, add this far from complete list:
Alexander Litvinenko, Sergei Skripal, Boris Berezovsky, Boris Nemtzov, Yevgeny Prigozhin, Mikhail Lesin, and a number of people who fell from windows for no particular reason.

The assassination of Zelimkhan Khangoshvili in Berlin in 2019 was executed by none other than FSB operative Vadim Krasikov, who was just returned home as part of Putin's "hostages" swap with the USA and other countries - see my previous post.

www.theguardian.com - Twenty years of ruthlessness: how Russia has silenced Putin's opponents - 2023-August-27
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#43 | Posted by CutiePie at 2024-08-04 04:36 AM | Reply

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