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Sunday, September 22, 2024

Caitlin Dickerson: A growing number of Americans are pointing to immigration as a top concern heading into the election. But a substantive debate on the issue has become impossible, given that Donald Trump and his vice-presidential candidate, J. D. Vance, are only escalating their use of outright lies and xenophobia in lieu of anything resembling fact-based policy solutions.

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On the campaign trail, Trump has said that immigrants are "animals" and "not human," and implied that millions are crossing the border each month; publicly available data show that the real number has never exceeded 200,000 a month this year. When Vance took to X to declare that Haitian immigrants in Springfield, Ohio, were eating their neighbors' pets, and Trump repeated the lie in a nationally televised debate the next day, those of us who have studied the United States' history of dehumanizing immigrants felt as if the clock had turned back 150 years, to when the same specious claim was used to justify vigilante violence against Chinese Americans, and laws including the Chinese Exclusion Act.

Trump and Vance's claims, along with other copycat assertions meant to imply that nonwhite immigrants are inherently immoral, such as the one about "Haitian prostitutes" aired at a Springfield city-commission meeting, have surfaced throughout American history. This summer, a survey ... found that nearly a quarter of Americans now believe that immigrants are "poisoning the blood of our country" and that "many immigrants are terrorists." More than a third of respondents said that "millions of undocumented immigrants illegally cast votes in our elections."

American voters have consistently indicated that they want order at the southern border, yet many economists agree that the large amount of immigration the U.S. experienced in recent years is a major reason the economy bounced back from the COVID-related downturn faster than that of any other nation in the world[EM]. This complex picture of immigration and its implications calls for the hard work of policy making and statesmanship. Again and again, misinformation and fearmongering have only made things worse.

#1 | Posted by tonyroma at 2024-09-22 06:07 PM | Reply

"Ohio residents flock to Springfield's Haitian restaurants:

They are family'

Locals support and volunteer at Haitian-owned businesses to stand against Trump and Vance's anti-immigrant lies

The line down the center of the Rose Goute Creole restaurant on Springfield, Ohio's South Limestone Street is halfway out the door.

It's been like this ever since former president Donald Trump falsely accused immigrants in Springfield of eating cats and dogs during a televised debate on 10 September."

www.theguardian.com

#2 | Posted by Corky at 2024-09-22 09:59 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Unless you are under the influence of trump and are part of "The Cult", the lies of him and his idiot VP, are plain to see. Lord I am so sick of this crap.

#3 | Posted by Yodagirl at 2024-09-22 10:02 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

They may "help no one", but, they damn sure "inspire" the MAGAts.

#4 | Posted by Angrydad at 2024-09-23 08:38 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Obligatory after seeing this... They're Eating The Cats ft. Donald Trump

#5 | Posted by GalaxiePete at 2024-09-23 08:52 AM | Reply

#3 | Posted by Yodagirl

That is pretty much it isn't it? They just excuse the lies OR double down on them.

#6 | Posted by GalaxiePete at 2024-09-23 09:17 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

It is amazing to think how many Americans either forget, don't know or deny their immigrant heritage. Where I'm from, my great grandparents arriving from Germany in the 1880's was a source of pride and status. Here in Okiehomie the locals are either of First American status, or are the issue of former outlaws and Confederate marauders. In the case of the former, they carry cards with their tribal affiliation, and in the case of the latter, deny the existence of anyone prior to their own parents.

Nearly everyone in this country is the offspring of an immigrant, who mostly came here for greater opportunity and/or religious freedom. That both are forgotten by the bigots in the red hats makes one question what those hat-heads are hiding...

#7 | Posted by catdog at 2024-09-23 09:30 AM | Reply

The lies help Republicans win.

#8 | Posted by Sycophant at 2024-09-23 10:24 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Xenaphobia the irrational fear of Xena warrior princess

#9 | Posted by THEBULL at 2024-09-23 10:50 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

#8

Yes. The lies help Republicans. The lies have driven public sentiment towards immigrants to severe lows.

#10 | Posted by Whatsleft at 2024-09-23 10:57 AM | Reply

Harris and her supporters should quit gaslighting us on the consequences of dumping large numbers of immigrants into small towns with no plans for assimilation. They should also quit lying about the legal status of many of the immigrants, they're only "legal" in sense that Biden has abused his powers and twisted the law and declared them "legal".

#11 | Posted by visitor_ at 2024-09-23 11:08 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

In reference: #11 | Posted by visitor_ at 2024-09-23 11:08 AM

From what bodily orifice did you pull that?

#12 | Posted by Hans at 2024-09-23 11:12 AM | Reply

#11

As usual, totally false on a number of fronts.

Temporary Protected Status, as the program is known, is given to qualifying individuals allowing them to remain in the country because conditions are considered unsafe in their home countries. The authorizations are temporary but can be renewed repeatedly as long as recipients stay in good standing and their prior homes are still considered unsafe.

Haitian nationals were first eligible for the status in 2010 when an earthquake destroyed much of the country's infrastructure.

The growth of the Haitian population in Springfield comes from actions undertaken by local officials. Springfield, which had shrunk in population for several decades, needed workers. Those opportunities, a relatively low cost of living and support from the community played big roles in drawing Haitians to the city, according to a 2023 Dayton Daily New article examining Springfield's growing Haitian population.

The city began pitching itself after 2014 to potential employers as a good place for new factories and distribution hubs, and several new companies opened facilities there by the end of the 2010s, the New York Times reported. A lack of workers opened the door for Haitian immigrants to work, and word of mouth helped rapidly draw more to the city, experts told the Times for that story.

It's the height of idoicy for dingbats to keep insinuating that Harris personally can be tied to Springfield in her role as VP. Anyone ever seen Mike Pence be blamed for Trump's Muslim ban, or his anti-immigrant rhetoric of not-even veiled racism and prejudice?

Springfield is responsible for the influx of immigrants into their community, though responsibility lies with governments at all levels to meet the needs of its citizens. I wonder if JD Vance advocated for federal assistance instead of demonizing immigrants only there to provide their labor in support of local businesses, how much better the city and its immediate outlook might be. But trying to turn people against each other is all Trump/Vance offers to this nation while morons like Visitor happily tote their polluted water, drinking the poison and regurgitating its toxicity wrapped up tightly in their own ignorance.

#13 | Posted by tonyroma at 2024-09-23 11:23 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

To qualify for Temporary Protected Status, which maybe renewed indefinitely under Biden/Harris all the immigrant has to do is request it. NGOs funded by Biden/Harris and billiares that hate America provide free legal services to smooth the process.

A small town losing population due to a high unemployment rate that has been averaging 7% above US unemployment rate from 2019-2023, solves that problem by importing poor, low skill workers from the third world. Marx was one hell of an economist.

#14 | Posted by visitor_ at 2024-09-23 11:51 AM | Reply

To qualify for Temporary Protected Status, which maybe renewed indefinitely under Biden/Harris all the immigrant has to do is request it. NGOs funded by Biden/Harris and billiares that hate America provide free legal services to smooth the process.
A small town losing population due to a high unemployment rate that has been averaging 7% above US unemployment rate from 2019-2023, solves that problem by importing poor, low skill workers from the third world. Marx was one hell of an economist.

#14 | Posted by visitor_

"Lies about Immigration help no one"

Visitor_: "Hold my crack pipe..."

#15 | Posted by Sycophant at 2024-09-23 12:05 PM | Reply | Funny: 5

Harris and her supporters should quit gaslighting us on the consequences of dumping large numbers of immigrants into small towns with no plans for assimilation. They should also quit lying about the legal status of many of the immigrants, they're only "legal" in sense that Biden has abused his powers and twisted the law and declared them "legal".

Posted by visitor_

Haitians come here and assimilate.

Visitor_: "They didn't assimilate! They are still black!"

#16 | Posted by Sycophant at 2024-09-23 12:17 PM | Reply | Funny: 2

Marx was one hell of an economist.

#14 | POSTED BY VISITOR_

So you are a fan of Karl Marx now? Is that even allowed?

Oh do be careful!!

What if Trumpy finds out that you are a Marxist?

They will Liz Cheney you!

#17 | Posted by donnerboy at 2024-09-23 12:58 PM | Reply

Fake news.

Lies about immigration always helps fascists, which is why fascists always scaremonger about immigration.

#18 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2024-09-23 02:16 PM | Reply

To qualify for Temporary Protected Status, which maybe renewed indefinitely under Biden/Harris

any sitting US President, because it's a federal regulation which Donald Trump tried to unilaterally take away from the Haitian immigrants for no other reason than his deeply-held racism, and he was rebuffed by our federal courts.

A small town losing population due to a high unemployment rate that has been averaging 7% above US unemployment rate from 2019-2023,

Another easily disproven lie.

Except for the Covid months of April-September 2020, Springfield Ohio's unemployment rate never exceeded 7% which makes it impossible for it to be 7% higher than the national average.

When a liar disrespects your intelligence to your face - ignore whatever the liar says without attribution because you already know that it and the truth have never met.

#19 | Posted by tonyroma at 2024-09-24 07:14 AM | Reply

To qualify for Temporary Protected Status, which maybe renewed indefinitely under Biden/Harris

any sitting US President, because it's a federal regulation which Donald Trump tried to unilaterally take away from the Haitian immigrants for no other reason than his deeply-held racism, and he was rebuffed by our federal courts.

A small town losing population due to a high unemployment rate that has been averaging 7% above US unemployment rate from 2019-2023,

Another easily disproven lie.

Except for the Covid months of April-September 2020, Springfield Ohio's unemployment rate never exceeded 7% which makes it impossible for it to be 7% higher than the national average.

When a liar disrespects your intelligence to your face - ignore whatever the liar says without attribution because you already know that it and the truth have never met.

#20 | Posted by tonyroma at 2024-09-24 07:14 AM | Reply

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