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Tuesday, January 14, 2025

According to nearly a dozen retired officers and current military lawyers, as well as scholars who teach at West Point and Annapolis, an intense if quiet debate is underway inside the U.S. military community about what orders it would be obliged to obey if President-elect Donald Trump decides to follow through on his previous warnings that he might deploy troops against what he deems domestic threats, including political enemies, dissenters and immigrants.

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'I Think Things Are Going to Be Bad, Really Bad': The US Military Debates Possible Deployment on US Soil Under Trump Trump has said he wants to use active duty U.S. troops to quell protests and round up immigrants. Will the military comply?

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-- Jon Cooper (@joncooper-us.bsky.social) January 12, 2025 at 7:22 PM

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More: "It's legally and ethically dicey to have open conversations about this," says Graham Parsons, a philosophy professor at West Point who urged military officers and troops to consider resisting "politicized" orders in a New York Times op-ed in September. One concern is whether the military could tarnish itself with an incident like Kent State, when four college students were shot to death by jittery and poorly trained Ohio National Guardsmen in 1970.

"Soldiers are trained predominately to fight, kill and win wars," says Brian VanDeMark, a Naval Academy historian and author of the 2024 book Kent State: An American Tragedy. "Local police and state police are far better trained to deal with the psychology of crowds, which can become inherently unpredictable, impulsive and irrational. If you're not well trained to cope, your reaction might be inadequate and turn to force." He adds that at the Naval Academy as well as West Point, "my impression is this is an issue that is being thought about and worried about a lot but it's not openly discussed."

#1 | Posted by qcp at 2025-01-13 09:28 AM | Reply

Don't worry, lads. All you have to do to assure your careers is pull the trigger when ordered. Not shooting fellow citizens is so outmoded. Thus sayeth MAGA.

#2 | Posted by Zed at 2025-01-13 10:03 AM | Reply

Throw in the inherent volatility of having tens of thousands of GWOT troops who have extensive urban combat training and experience and a strong dislike for the government that gave it to them...

#3 | Posted by jpw at 2025-01-13 11:15 AM | Reply

Dotard can't wait to unleash his McVeigh wannabes.

#4 | Posted by reinheitsgebot at 2025-01-13 11:18 AM | Reply

"Soldiers are trained predominately to fight, kill and win wars," says Brian VanDeMark, a Naval Academy historian and author of the 2024 book Kent State: An American Tragedy. "Local police and state police are far better trained to deal with the psychology of crowds, which can become inherently unpredictable, impulsive and irrational. If you're not well trained to cope, your reaction might be inadequate and turn to force." He adds that at the Naval Academy as well as West Point, "my impression is this is an issue that is being thought about and worried about a lot but it's not openly discussed."

#1 | Posted by qcp

Increasingly, local and state police ARE former/retired military.

#5 | Posted by Whatsleft at 2025-01-13 05:49 PM | Reply

Local police and state police are far better trained to deal with the psychology of crowds...

If you're speaking of antagonizing and then attacking these crowds, you would be correct.
I've never understood the logic of using police to control anti-police demonstrations. They can't help but take it personally, because it is.

#6 | Posted by TFDNihilist at 2025-01-14 09:03 AM | Reply

#5

And outfitted with military grade weapons and hardware.

#7 | Posted by lee_the_agent at 2025-01-14 01:48 PM | Reply

I ain't going to cause no trouble.
If America has decided it wants to be lead
by a Fricking Dumb Feck, that is utterly corrupt,
so be it. I'm just going to stumble the best
I can towards retirement in the 2-4 years I have left
and then head for the door. Quite possibly, quite literally.

There are ramifications for trashing our country (and I'm speaking
to MAGA and the GOP here). You want to cause a brain drain, and
get rid of the intellectuals in this country?

Good luck running the debt filled husk that remains. Some of us
have the will and the means to leave the country for good if we want.
Push us too far, and we will want to.

#8 | Posted by earthmuse at 2025-01-14 02:06 PM | Reply

You want to cause a brain drain,

I plan to take my treasure with me.

#9 | Posted by mattm at 2025-01-14 02:14 PM | Reply

"Five questions Hegseth dodged at his Defense Department confirmation hearing

Would he use the military against Americans?

Will he resign if he drinks?

Should domestic violence be disqualifying?

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www.axios.com

That's how bad it's gotten.

#10 | Posted by Corky at 2025-01-14 04:33 PM | Reply


That's how bad it's gotten.
~ CorkyTheBigot

These a horrible sound bite questions. Its a serious position, people should ask serious questions.

For instance the US Navy has more Admirals than active warships.

Should the US build more warships, or fire more Admirals?

#11 | Posted by oneironaut at 2025-01-14 09:29 PM | Reply

@#11 ... These a horrible sound bite questions. Its a serious position, people should ask serious questions.

For instance the US Navy has more Admirals than active warships.

Should the US build more warships, or fire more Admirals? ...

That your current alias thinks those are serious questions about our National Security is quite telling.


#12 | Posted by LampLighter at 2025-01-14 10:08 PM | Reply

@#10 ... "Five questions Hegseth dodged at his Defense Department confirmation hearing ...

One of my takeaways from the hearing was his apparent admission of the drinking and sexual acts he has been accused of.

While he tried to label the accusations as ~anonymous accusations~ (even though there do seem to be names behind those accusations), he also said that he is ~not that person that he was back then.~

So, he seems to say, well, yeah, I did that, but that is not me now.


#13 | Posted by LampLighter at 2025-01-14 10:13 PM | Reply

11

You aren't a serious person... you're a TheilBot Fascist wannabe, but not really bright enough to make his team.

Perhaps if you went to Singapore and studied the Corporate Government there you would know what's what with the Corporate Feudalism you admire so much.

www.niskanencenter.org

Elon Musk and Peter Thiel's War on Democracy
The two oligarchs share an agenda that goes well beyond securing tax cuts and regulatory rollbacks.

www.truthdig.com

#14 | Posted by Corky at 2025-01-14 10:17 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

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