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Wednesday, January 15, 2025

President-elect Donald Trump on Tuesday said he will create a new agency called the External Revenue Service to collect tariffs and other forms of revenue that come from foreign sources, echoing a suggestion made by former adviser Steve Bannon at an event hosted by POLITICO Tuesday morning.

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"The president-elect appears ignorant of the fact that there's been an 'external revenue service' since July 31, 1789."

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-- Raw Story (@rawstory.com) January 14, 2025 at 12:14 PM

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... For far too long, we have relied on taxing our Great People using the Internal Revenue Service (IRS)," Trump said in a post on his social media platform Truth Social. "Through soft and pathetically weak Trade agreements, the American Economy has delivered growth and prosperity to the World, while taxing ourselves. It is time for that to change. I am today announcing that I will create the EXTERNAL REVENUE SERVICE to collect our Tariffs, Duties, and all Revenue that come from Foreign sources," Trump said.

The "birth date" of the agency is January 20, Trump said, which is the same day he will be sworn in to become the 47th president of the United States. ...


#1 | Posted by LampLighter at 2025-01-14 10:24 PM | Reply

So, Pres-elect Trump seems to be continuing to propagate his lie that tariffs (however ~beautiful~ they may be) are not passed on to who he calls "our Great People?"

... I will create the EXTERNAL REVENUE SERVICE to collect our Tariffs, Duties, and all Revenue that come from Foreign sources," ...

Yeah, the problem is that Foreign sources do not pay those tariffs.

American companies, importing those goods, pay those tariffs, increasing the costs for the goods they import.

And, who do you think those Americans companies will pass those increased costs to?

Not the foreign countries, but Americans the American companies sell those good to.

Why is not Pres-elect trump specific in that aspect of the result of his tariffs?

Maybe, tariffs are not as beautiful as he says?

Donald Trump calls tariff the most beautiful word,' threatens up to 2,000% tariff to block Mexican car imports (November 2024)
finance.yahoo.com

#2 | Posted by LampLighter at 2025-01-14 10:32 PM | Reply

The middle class will be crushed over the next 4 years.

Best of luck, America.

#3 | Posted by ClownShack at 2025-01-14 10:34 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

he will create a new agency called the External Revenue Service

He will do what Senior Co-President and DOGE Lord Commander Elon tells him to do. Nothing more. Nothing less.

#4 | Posted by REDIAL at 2025-01-14 10:36 PM | Reply

It is very simple

A tariff is a tax paid by a business when a product or material comes into the country.

They are a corporate tax paid by the importing business to the federal government.

It is NOT paid by the foreign country.

It is infantile to call this an External Revenue Service.

The tax will be paid by US businesses.

How stupid do you have to be to not understand this?

Magat scum, oh yeah.

#5 | Posted by truthhurts at 2025-01-14 10:44 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

The tax will be paid by US businesses. consumers.

#6 | Posted by ClownShack at 2025-01-14 10:47 PM | Reply

Correct, but I was referring to the actual mechanics of tariffs. How that additional tax is paid is likely to vary based on the business, but yes most businesses will pass that onto the consumer. I don't believe it is like a sales tax that is paid BY the consumer, it is more an operating expense like most companies pay, i.e. corporate tax.

The funny thing is another effect will be to raise prices for domestic goods in similar markets as competition disappears.

No one ever accused magat scum of being smart

#7 | Posted by truthhurts at 2025-01-14 11:00 PM | Reply

another effect will be to raise prices for domestic goods in similar markets

Can we call that "Lewzerflation"?

#8 | Posted by REDIAL at 2025-01-14 11:05 PM | Reply

I like the idea of using tariffs as a threat to Mexico to assist us in protecting our border.

When implemented, tariffs are a tax on the consumer. It's no different than raising taxes on business. The extra cost gets passed to the consumer. Smoot-Hawley further deepened the Great Depression, for example.

#9 | Posted by BellRinger at 2025-01-14 11:17 PM | Reply

When implemented, tariffs are a tax on the consumer.

Yep.

#10 | Posted by REDIAL at 2025-01-14 11:19 PM | Reply

I like the idea of using tariffs as a threat to Mexico to assist us in protecting our border.

You think the tariffs will solve your xenophobia?

You really are a Republican.

#11 | Posted by ClownShack at 2025-01-14 11:21 PM | Reply

You think the tariffs will solve your xenophobia?

No, he is defending Lewzer from bailing on his tariffs promise. "Oh, it was just a threat, he didn't actually mean doing it".

So, no closed border, no grocery prices coming down, and no tariffs. Promises made, promises bailed out on.

#12 | Posted by REDIAL at 2025-01-14 11:32 PM | Reply

"#12 | POSTED BY REDIAL AT 2025-01-14 11:32 PM | REPLY | FLAG:"

We will see how it plays out.

#13 | Posted by BellRinger at 2025-01-15 01:04 AM | Reply

We will see how it plays out.

I can't wait! Are you ready to go into full defensive mode? Of course you are.

#14 | Posted by REDIAL at 2025-01-15 01:28 AM | Reply

@#9 ... When implemented, tariffs are a tax on the consumer. ...

Yup.

So, why does Pres-elect Trump continue to try to assert that it is the foreign countries who will suffer from the tariffs imposed by Pres-elect Trump?

#15 | Posted by LampLighter at 2025-01-15 01:34 AM | Reply

"I can't wait! Are you ready to go into full defensive mode? Of course you are.

#14 | POSTED BY REDIAL"

Nope. I'm in total 'wait and see' mode.

#16 | Posted by BellRinger at 2025-01-15 01:57 AM | Reply

The tariffs are the worst policy projections IMO. After the spike we endured a couple of years ago we need inflation to come down below traditional numbers so that wages can catch up to price increases.

Tariffs accelerate inflation.

#17 | Posted by BellRinger at 2025-01-15 02:00 AM | Reply

@#17 ... we need inflation to come down below traditional numbers so that wages can catch up to price increases. ...

As I have posted on another thread, wage increases have surpassed inflation since 2023.

Here's the link I posted ...

Difference between the inflation rate and growth of wages in the United States from November 2020 to November 2024
www.statista.com

February 2023 seems to be the turning point your current alias' comment wants to hit, where wage growth exceeds inflation.

And that target occurred well over a year ago.



#18 | Posted by LampLighter at 2025-01-15 02:32 AM | Reply

An agency to charge Americans more for importing goods so they can charge other American more for finished products. Worst idea so far this century.

#19 | Posted by qcp at 2025-01-15 08:39 AM | Reply

It is infantile to call this an External Revenue Service.

It's just a part of the facade to keep the rubes convinced he isn't screwing them.

Because we all know the last thing they'll do is look up how things actually work...

#20 | Posted by jpw at 2025-01-15 10:11 AM | Reply

Tariffs accelerate inflation.

#17 | POSTED BY BELLRINGER

You don't get any say in the matter.

Trumpy doesn't need any of your advice he only needed your vote.

And this is what you voted for.

Gratz.

#21 | Posted by donnerboy at 2025-01-15 12:38 PM | Reply

Adding entire new agencies is the new way to cut government and work more efficiently! Who knew?

#22 | Posted by MBlue at 2025-01-15 02:43 PM | Reply

Adding entire new agencies is the new way to cut government and work more efficiently! Who knew?
I'm guessing the same people that got Mexico to pay for the big beautiful wall.

#23 | Posted by MBlue at 2025-01-15 02:44 PM | Reply

Foreign sources of revenue? Let's start with Trumpf's overseas bank accounts.


Links:

https://www.bbc.com/news/business-54625422

https://www.newsweek.com/full-list-trumps-foreign-bank-accounts-1770459

#24 | Posted by C0RI0LANUS at 2025-01-15 05:43 PM | Reply

"I like the idea of using tariffs as a threat to Mexico to assist us in protecting our border."
leave education to the nerds but now today they are angry because you're stupid.Don't whine about illegal immigration but want to penalize Mexican industries at the same time! Jobs for Mexicans in Mexico is the only real solution to illegal immigration. People with good jpbs don't wak 1,000 miles to escapeabject poverty or sail accross oceans foe the same reasons just like our grandparents did for thw same reasons.
Where are are "free trade" Republicans? I remember when union members would push brand new Japanese cars off the docks but Americans liked Japanese cars. Remember "Megatrends?" America decided to move past the economy but too many Americans decided to leave education for the nerds but now today they are angry that they can't afford the things those nerds can buy. That is why MAGA exists. Trump realised that there were millions of angry Americans who felt that our economy had left them behind so he started tgis "Make America Great Again" bulls**t. MAGA means uneducated morons should earn as much as educated professionals amd Trump thinls he can give the morons what thet want bt deporting immigrants abd stopping imported goods. It's just an illusion. Americans want imported goods and the cheap labor provided by immigrants and they are going to nrrd that labor to rebuild LA. MAGA won't rebuild it.

#25 | Posted by danni at 2025-01-16 05:33 PM | Reply

If ONLY Trump were as good an Economist as he is a Traitor.

The Purpose of creating this Agency is to distract from and extend the timeframe for Tariffs, which even he knows by now is a bad idea who's time hasn't come.

EVERYTHING he promised Voters is a Lie, just like like the Wall that Mexico would pay for.

Surprised, almost, that they still believe anything he says.

#26 | Posted by Corky at 2025-01-16 05:56 PM | Reply

His talk about "annexations" is a bone to Putin who thinks he annexed Crinea to normalise the idea that big countries can just "annex territory wherever they want thereby legitimizing Putin's illegal and brutal war in Ukraine.

#27 | Posted by danni at 2025-01-16 06:40 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

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President-elect Donald Trump on Tuesday said he will create a new agency called the External Revenue Service to collect tariffs and other forms of revenue that come from foreign sources

OMG! All this time we have imposed tariffs, but were not "collecting" $$ from them? Mamma mia, now I understand why we have record trade (and fiscal) deficits!

This one weird Trump trick is genius! This man knows more about taxes than anybody ever!

Finally we will have an AGENCY to collect TARIFFS, and all kinds of deficits will just disappear!

Never mind the legislation George Washington signed on July 31, 1979 creating the US Customs Service (currently known as Customs and Border Protection Agency) that does the collections of import duties now, it's old and needs reBRANDing / re-TRUMPing... like NAFTA / USMCA, Gulf of Mexico / Gulf of America, Greenland / Trumplandia etc.

More departments / agencies = Efficiency!
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#28 | Posted by CutiePie at 2025-01-17 06:02 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

U.S. Treasury Secretary says Yellen says Trump's plan for new revenue agency won't save money for taxpayers U.S. Customs already does ecerything his proposed nr=ew agency would do; just another demonstration of his ignorance; and proof that he is a buffoon:"
"CBP is the largest federal law enforcement agency and is the nation's second largest revenue-collecting agency in the federal government, enforcing the collection of over $90B annually in duties, taxes, and fees."

www.google.com

#29 | Posted by danni at 2025-01-17 07:09 AM | Reply

Donald Trump says "Duh! yeah, I knew that but I just forgot."

#30 | Posted by danni at 2025-01-17 07:12 AM | Reply

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#18 | Posted by LampLighter at 2025-01-15 02:32 AM
As I have posted on another thread, wage increases have surpassed inflation since 2023. ...

Difference between the inflation rate and growth of wages in the United States from November 2020 to November 2024
www.statista.com

February 2023 seems to be the turning point your current alias' comment wants to hit, where wage growth exceeds inflation.

There are several "economic" issues with this "economic statistic":

1. This data is not cumulative. Inflations (and wages) accumulate: plot and overlay them both over "cumulative S-curves" and you'll see that inflation curve is way higher than wage curve over last 4 years - simple math, smaller percentage of initially larger number may give you a larger delta over higher percentage from smaller number. Just because the average wage growth overtook average inflation for a period of time (in this case ~1.5 yr) doesn't necessarily compensate, and in fact may still increase the loss of real purchasing power. You can plot and verify this in any spreadsheet.

2. Wages and inflation numbers are "average" numbers; however, the growth in wages is much higher at the top quartile (including WS and financial / professional sectors and performance bonuses when stock market took off in October 2022 - OpenAI/ChatGPT announcement - which explains early 2023 average wage/inflation "turning point") while bottom quartiles had slower growth in wages but much higher expenses / "inflation" as percent of their earnings, particularly in shelter and food segments - "real inflation" was not distributed equally at every level.

3. Also, inflation [growth] applies to everyone (even if unequally), but wage growth only applies to [current] wage-earners, but doesn't include those out of work / job market - retired / "grey" population of non-wage-earners is higher... yet labor participation rate is 62.5% - still below pre-pandemic and near 1977 levels - of which ~20% are working part-time, maybe multiple and/or gig jobs.

Inflation "number" is also underweighted, particularly for lower end-user segment, e.g., in the last 20 years Social Security annual COLA increases averaged about 2%, while Medicare Part B premiums increases averaged ~5% annually. (www.statista.com - Part B premiums 2003-2022)

That's why Biden's approval on economy was ~33% - almost exactly corresponding to ~60-70% of people thinking "we are in recession" / "country is on the wrong track" - numbers that Dems kept ignoring or chalked up to "deplorables" and "ignorance."

www.newsweek.com - As Biden Bids Farewell, Americans Sting Him in Final Verdict - NW, 2025-01-15
|------- His approval on a number of issues - immigration, foreign affairs and the economy - similarly returned with approval ratings of 31 percent, 32 percent and 33 percent, respectively. Unsurprisingly, then, the overall rating for his presidency sits at 38 percent of respondents calling it a success and 61 percent calling it a failure.
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Economy average/compound growth # looked good - but distribution was top-heavy, as was predictable from demand-side / "trickle-up" economy, especially compounded by "industrial policy" of mostly wasteful spending, particularly on "manufacturing" which, according to last week's numbers, is still in recession.
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#31 | Posted by CutiePie at 2025-01-17 07:14 AM | Reply

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