2/3 of voters think Israel should join NATO. 2/3 of voters believe NATO should protect Israel. 2/3 of voters believe Israel is trying hard to minimize casualties. 80% think Hamas need to be removed from running Gaza.

If they're going down that road, they have to ask if Palestine was a nation created by the West, and who won the civil war that broke out between Palestinians and Jews in 47.

The Holy War Army. 1300 fighters. I've seen larger paintball games.

It's funny that you called it a civil war

#16 | POSTED BY SNOOFY AT 2024-05-01 10:13 AM | REPLY

Not if you minored in history. That's what it's called. "The 1947-1948 civil war in Mandatory Palestine". Obviously, Mandatory Palestine being an entirely Western creation that only lasted 1920-1948 after Ottoman rule.

or are you saying the Middle East is part of The West?

#20 | POSTED BY SNOOFY AT 2024-05-01 10:27 AM | FLAG:

Most of the Sunni part, which owns most of the ME, is US Hegemony aligned and a major business partner with both the US and Europe. Hence, Reconciliation with Israel. Hence, Shia Iran, aligned with Russian hegemony and member of the self-described Axis of Resistance, fueling a major Hamas attack against Israel.

We don't get to pick our allies. Sometimes they're butchers. It's the price of hegemony. If you don't like it, isolationism beliefs beckon, this is the unavoidable price of global politics.

First of all, we do get to pick our allies.

#28 | POSTED BY SNOOFY AT 2024-05-01 11:43 AM | FLAG:

You misunderstand the euphemism. We pick Saudi Arabia, which we would never pick morally. Looking at the region it's not a choice, it's a forced decision to maintain hegemony regardless of their moral midgetry and Islamic colonialism. Kashoggi who?

Second, duh. Through the Cold War, it was the bastion of Democracy in a hostile land with their neighbors backed by Russians. The Egyptian tanks that breached the Bar-Lev line were T-62 and T-55 models. This has never at any point since WW2 not been a front in the US-Russian battle for hegemony, and it still is right now.

In the 20s-40s, The British Colonial Police (local mixed arabs, jews, & others, led by brits) fought mostly Arab militias and occasionally a militant jew. One of the bigger wars being the 36-39 Arab Revolt in Palestine. Brits, Jews, and Arabs fought an alliance of 3 Palestinian factions. The Palestinians revolted to close the borders to Jewish refugees and forbid land purchases. Palestinians lost, everybody came to the negotiating table in London, negotiations failed and the White Paper of 1939 was issued. It limited Jewish immigration for 5 years and restricted Jewish land purchases in 95% of Palestine. Proving that.. violence works if you annoy the brits enough?

Which in the context really makes you appreciate how it's all come full circle. Hamas launches a very violent, very personal attack on Israel. Hamas gets steamrolled for 8 months to a year. Might still managed to annoy the world with violence enough to squeak out some kind of political win.