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Thursday, December 04, 2025

... What if he didn't really change"what if the bureaucrats changed him? That's the puzzle piece America and the Trump administration are examining right now. Biden's hard turn left after taking office arrived without an external shock. Which invites a different reading, one that might sound cynical in any other era. Maybe the shift that began with a stack of pardon certificates wasn't evolution. Maybe it was a revolution by the people who held the pen

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FTA:

" Lyndon Johnson used the autopen 40 times for substantive documents"under 1% of his total output. Ronald Reagan, 120 (2%). George H. W. Bush, 80 (1.5%). Barack Obama, 2011"2014, 300 (3%), including the Deauville Patriot Act episode"with his explicit direction.
Joseph R. Biden, 2021"2024: more than 1,400 substantive autopen executions, constituting ~60% after July 2022"and zero presidential logins thereafter. In a courtroom, that's not ceremony. It looks like usurpation."

#1 | Posted by BellRinger at 2025-12-04 03:09 PM | Reply

I'm a borderline Hall of Fame troll, Alexandrite. I easily elicit multiple responses with a single post. And it doesn't take any effort.

#2 | Posted by REDIAL at 2025-12-04 03:20 PM | Reply

I'm a borderline Hall of Fame troll, Alexandrite. I easily elicit multiple responses with a single post. And it doesn't take any effort.
#27 | Posted by BellRinger at 2025-04-06 05:42 PM

#3 | Posted by truthhurts at 2025-12-04 03:28 PM | Reply

From the piece of ---- that the piece of ---- linked to

"On March 4, 1789, the new government opened under a Constitution born of pens. The framers were called signers for a reason: men who tied their names to acts so the public could associate the will to sign with the law."

Thomas Jefferson INVENTED the autopen

IOW jeff is a ------- ------- scum sucker

#4 | Posted by truthhurts at 2025-12-04 03:34 PM | Reply

Ballwasher the clown, what a pathetic MAGAT hack.

#5 | Posted by LegallyYourDead at 2025-12-04 03:39 PM | Reply

#4 truthNlies

That's not what that means, and it doesn't relate to autoPen.

AutoPen should be little different than DocUSign.

There needs to be verification the President had the intent to sign the document, and it needs to be recorded.

This has nothing to do with Biden, no expofacto crap, just going forward

#6 | Posted by oneironaut at 2025-12-04 03:47 PM | Reply

What a garbage pile thread. Wouldn't you know it Jeff is the author of said thread.

#7 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2025-12-04 04:25 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

share.newsbreak.com

#8 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2025-12-04 04:35 PM | Reply

Joseph R. Biden, 2021"2024: more than 1,400 substantive autopen executions, constituting ~60% after July 2022"

You know how I can tell this is dishonest s*&^? They try to sneak in an inflated stat without comparison to any other listed POTUS.

#9 | Posted by jpw at 2025-12-04 04:39 PM | Reply

" #9 | POSTED BY JPW AT 2025-12-04 04:39 PM | FLAG: "

Either read the article in its entirety or simply scroll up to post #1.

#10 | Posted by BellRinger at 2025-12-04 04:57 PM | Reply

"Biden's hard turn left"

Nobody's buying what you're selling.
Biden has been a Centrist and an Incrementalist his whole life.

#11 | Posted by snoofy at 2025-12-04 05:00 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

" 4 | POSTED BY TRUTHHURTS AT 2025-12-04 03:34 PM | FLAG: "

That "refutation" is nonsensical. Use of the auto pen is not controversial by itself. The sheer quantity that Biden's handlers used it strongly, suggests it was being done without Biden's knowledge.

FTA:

" Klain would eventually log 1,214 autopen accesses during his tenure from 2021 to 2023 ... . plan"routed through Susan Rice's terminal. Rice, Domestic Policy Advisor from 2021 to 2023, logged 312 autopen uses ... . Anita Dunn, senior advisor from 2021 to 2024, logged 189 uses ... . After July 2022, Biden logged no live signatures."

#12 | Posted by BellRinger at 2025-12-04 05:05 PM | Reply

You're an -------

Biden is still alive dumbass

has he ever refuted that he signed or authorized the signature of anything'

You're a ------- horrible person

Carrying President Piggy's pisswater so you can troll us

Go ---- off ----

#13 | Posted by truthhurts at 2025-12-04 05:18 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Curious why the word "scandal" is in quotes, indicating this isn't really a scandal at all.

#14 | Posted by snoofy at 2025-12-04 05:52 PM | Reply

The sheer quantity that Biden's handlers used it strongly, suggests it was being done without Biden's knowledge.

#12 | POSTED BY BELLRINGER

No, it doesn't.

You want to chew on conspiracy, choose a real one like what Trump did with the live Epstein as well as what he is doing with Epstein dead.

#15 | Posted by Zed at 2025-12-04 05:55 PM | Reply

" #13 | POSTED BY TRUTHHURTS AT 2025-12-04 05:18 PM | FLAG: "

Want some tissue?

You sure as heck can't refute anything in the linked article so a good cry is the next best thing for you.

#16 | Posted by BellRinger at 2025-12-04 06:00 PM | Reply

Is the argument here that stuff got signed that Biden didn't want?

Or is there not really an argument at all?

#17 | Posted by snoofy at 2025-12-04 06:05 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

You sure as heck can't refute anything

16 | POSTED BY BELLRINGER

"Biden is still alive dumbass

has he ever refuted that he signed or authorized the signature of anything"

Is a refutation.

#18 | Posted by Zed at 2025-12-04 06:13 PM | Reply

#18. Oh, so Biden said it so it must be true. That's not really a refutation.

#19 | Posted by BellRinger at 2025-12-04 06:15 PM | Reply

Oh, so Biden said it so it must be true.

19 | POSTED BY BELLRINGER

If you want to take the position that Biden is utterly corrupt, have on.

It's my position that because Trump is utterly corrupt that he assassinated Jeffrey Epstein.

#20 | Posted by Zed at 2025-12-04 06:17 PM | Reply

"You sure as heck can't refute anything in the linked article"

I'd need verification from two RELIABLE sources before I even tried.

Original Content and Commentary

Bias: AllSides has rated RealClearPolitics' original content as Lean Right. News outlets like The New York Times and the Nieman Journalism Lab have reported a definitive shift to the right in the site's tone and a change in its funding sources toward conservative-aligned entities in recent years, particularly since the 2016 election cycle.

Content Concerns: Some original articles and opinion pieces have been criticized for elevating unverified or highly biased stories. The site has published content that other news organizations avoided due to concerns about substantiation or ethical issues, such as identifying a confidential whistleblower.

www.allsides.com

#21 | Posted by donnerboy at 2025-12-04 06:20 PM | Reply

" If you want to take the position that Biden is utterly corrupt, have on"

He's a grifter for sure. But that isn't what this thread is about. This is more proof that Biden was not in charge, due to dementia. Certain unelected members of his team were calling the shots. He may believe that he authorized all of those auto pen signatures but it's because he doesn't remember. The man has dementia.

#22 | Posted by BellRinger at 2025-12-04 06:23 PM | Reply

Biden was not in charge

You're a moron.

#23 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2025-12-04 06:25 PM | Reply

#17

It's not an Argument, it's a poorly attempted Distraction from the Fact that talking about Trump in a positive light is REALLY, REALY Hard Werk.

He's murdering fishermen; hell, he murdered over 600,000 people this year, 2/3rds of them children this year. His Economy is an eyesore. He' got NO Healthcare Plan.

His Most Ever in History Number of Billionaires By Far in a President's Cabinet is a really bad joke. He's extorting countries around the World and taking Bribes from the Highest Bidders Worldwide.

He looks more like a Pedophile Pimp's Best Friend each and every day... he uses all sorts of Distractions from that. He says ICE isn't tough enough on brown people. He Pardons Cocaine Kings while bombing fisherman and sending out his ICE Terrorist Thugs into the streets.

I could go on, but libs already know all this, and rwingers believe Trump's lies instead. Because they are in a Cult.

People who post :But, but, What About Biden?!" threads are some the worst cultists around.

#24 | Posted by Corky at 2025-12-04 06:25 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#21. The author cites hard numbers. And compares the numbers to other recent presidents. The difference in usage is staggering. And it's more problematic when we look at how many topimes Klain, Rice and Dunn logged in to the pen.

#25 | Posted by BellRinger at 2025-12-04 06:26 PM | Reply

Biden was not in charge, due to dementia. Certain unelected members of his team were calling the shots.

#22 | POSTED BY BELLRINGER

This is exactly what is being said about Donald as we speak.

I'm not sure where this leaves you.

#26 | Posted by Zed at 2025-12-04 06:26 PM | Reply

" It's not an Argument, it's a poorly attempted Distraction from the Fact that talking about Trump in a positive light is REALLY, REALY Hard Werk."

This thread has nothing to do with Trump. Your deflection is lame.

#27 | Posted by BellRinger at 2025-12-04 06:27 PM | Reply

This thread has nothing to do with Trump.

#27 | POSTED BY BELLRINGER

EVERYTHING has something to do with Trump.

Just ask him.

#28 | Posted by Zed at 2025-12-04 06:28 PM | Reply

" You're a moron.

#23 | POSTED BY ALEXANDRITE AT 2025-12-04 06:25 PM | FLAG: "

Are you even aware the linked book is available?

I'm willing to bet this is watered down from the scale of what had been happening.

www.amazon.com

#29 | Posted by BellRinger at 2025-12-04 06:29 PM | Reply

" I'm not sure where this leaves you.

#26 | POSTED BY ZED AT 2025-12-04 06:26 PM | FLAG: "

Biden supporters have ZERO credibility on Trump's cognitive condition.

#30 | Posted by BellRinger at 2025-12-04 06:30 PM | Reply

9 | POSTED BY BELLRINGER

Has it occurred to you yet that you are the increasingly lonely defender of a way of thinking and being in the world that his rapidly undoing itself?

#31 | Posted by Zed at 2025-12-04 06:30 PM | Reply

Biden supporters have ZERO credibility on Trump's cognitive condition.

#30 | POSTED BY BELLRINGER

Why don't you make a statement on Trump's cognitive condition?

#32 | Posted by Zed at 2025-12-04 06:31 PM | Reply

"This is more proof that Biden was not in charge, due to dementia."

So you're saying people forged Biden's signature.
That's what you're saying.
Just say that.

#33 | Posted by snoofy at 2025-12-04 06:32 PM | Reply

" The author cites hard numbers."

Sure he does.

Sorry if I cannot take his or your word about anything you accuse Biden of.

Where are his source documents? It's a serious allegation.

Where is the tally and list of Trump's use of the autopen for comparison ?

What was Biden's response to the allegations?

This is nothing but an attempted hatchet job by a biased partisan against a former US President who had broken no laws and is an honorable man.

You should ashamed ... if you had any shame.

#34 | Posted by donnerboy at 2025-12-04 06:35 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"The author cites hard numbers."

How do the numbers compare to other Presidents?

#35 | Posted by snoofy at 2025-12-04 06:39 PM | Reply

Certain unelected members of his team were calling the shots.
#22 | POSTED BY BELLRINGER

Give us some examples of actions that were taken against Biden's wishes.

#36 | Posted by snoofy at 2025-12-04 06:41 PM | Reply

Bellbot... who, were he ever that nice nice Polish conservative boy JeffyJ, has become a sad symbol of the Cult; a Republican without the ------ to be a Rick Wilson, or a Liz Cheney for that matter; someone who wants to talk about anything but the Leader of his Party.

Who is the new face of The Ugly American all around world; the most vile and corrupt and evil person to ever occupy the WH and lead in the world.

Trump Cultists appear to either be very, very Proud of that, or too hypnotized by his Lies to fight their Cultist delusions otherwise.

The OP, whomever he may be, is constantly posting Whataboutism Threads that distract from the worst problem we have in this country; the Obvious Criminal in the WH.

#37 | Posted by Corky at 2025-12-04 06:44 PM | Reply

EBiden supporters have ZERO credibility on Trump's cognitive condition.

#30 | POSTED BY BELLRINGER

Which is a meaningless statement.

Biden supporters have ZERO credibility on anything according to you. No one here has any credibility but you and your maga maroon comrades in crime.

Apparently.


#38 | Posted by donnerboy at 2025-12-04 06:45 PM | Reply

I guess threads like these are a good thing. If Jeff didn't post such balderdash we would think there was something wrong with him. Just sayin

#39 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2025-12-04 06:46 PM | Reply

the Obvious Criminal in the WH.

#37 | POSTED BY CORKY

Argument?

BELLRINGER?

#40 | Posted by Zed at 2025-12-04 06:46 PM | Reply

Certain unelected members of his team were calling the shots.
#22 | POSTED BY BELLRINGER

Based on the law and the orders of the President.

Nothing this author has said (without any proof) proves otherwise.

#41 | Posted by donnerboy at 2025-12-04 06:47 PM | Reply

@#41 ... Nothing this author has said (without any proof) proves otherwise. ...

It does seem to show yet another lame attempt to draw attention away from the Epstein Files.


#42 | Posted by LampLighter at 2025-12-04 06:51 PM | Reply

Based on the law and the orders of the President.
- donorbot

What orders? Link to those documents.

Nothing this author has said (without any proof) proves otherwise.
- donorbot

Makes sense, everyone but you know you can't prove a negative.

#43 | Posted by oneironaut at 2025-12-04 06:52 PM | Reply

The thread article author, BTW... is a longtime Friend of Trump and one of his Playmates in Mar a Lardo.

If you read this below, "Trump is Wonderful!" article, Bellslinger, be sure and get some lotion, a pair of tweezers, TP, and a magnifying glass, cause you'll need them:

medium.com

#44 | Posted by Corky at 2025-12-04 07:00 PM | Reply

Jake Tappers book is expensive toilet paper.

#45 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2025-12-04 07:16 PM | Reply

Jake Tappers book is expensive toilet paper.

Posted by Alexandrite at 2025-12-04 07:16 PM | Reply

Not when it lands up in the dollar bin.

#46 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2025-12-04 07:20 PM | Reply

" Jake Tappers book is expensive toilet paper.

#45 | POSTED BY ALEXANDRITE AT 2025-12-04 07:16 PM | FLAG: "

Because it upsets your preferred narrative?

#47 | Posted by BellRinger at 2025-12-04 07:22 PM | Reply

What orders? Link to those documents.

It's your absurd maga accusation.

Not mine. I don't need to prove anything.

...

but you know you can't prove a negative.

#43 | POSTED BY ONEIRONAUT

It's a shameful maga conspiracy theory. Not mine.

You can't even prove a positive Commie Spyboy.

#48 | Posted by donnerboy at 2025-12-04 07:23 PM | Reply

Because it upsets your preferred narrative?

#47 | POSTED BY BELLRINGER

Oh?

Do tell!

You just posted a hateful hack job promoting another maga conspiracy.

What's our "preferred narrative" regarding that again?

#49 | Posted by donnerboy at 2025-12-04 07:26 PM | Reply

#49 | Posted by donnerboy at 2025-12-04 07:26 PM | Reply | Flag:

STFU Raetard

#50 | Posted by lfthndthrds at 2025-12-04 08:06 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

" What's our "preferred narrative" regarding that again?
#49 | POSTED BY DONNERBOY AT 2025-12-04 07:26 PM | FLAG: "

That Biden was sharp as a tack and in complete control.

#51 | Posted by BellRinger at 2025-12-04 08:07 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

#18. Oh, so Biden said it so it must be true. That's not really a refutation.

#19 | Posted by BellRinger

You really are dumb, oh wait a fucking troll

Yes, if Biden said he signed or authorized the signatures

He did

It is truly that simple you stupid fuck.

It is HIS authority.

It is HIS responsibility

He accepts responsibility for all of those signatures

Thus, they are authorized.

Because the guy responsible for them has accepted responsibility for them

It is a hell of a lot more constitutional than declassifying something by thinking about it.

Of all the stupid ass fucking bullshit President Piggy puts our and lying piece of shit jeff defends, this is one of those cake takers.

#52 | Posted by truthhurts at 2025-12-04 08:48 PM | Reply

That Biden was sharp as a tack and in complete control.
#51 | Posted by BellRinger

Still waiting for anything "signed" by Biden's nefarious autopen abusers that Biden didn't want signed.

Anything.

Just one thing.

#53 | Posted by snoofy at 2025-12-04 08:49 PM | Reply

" Yes, if Biden said he signed or authorized the signatures

He did"

You are a very dumb man.

#54 | Posted by BellRinger at 2025-12-04 08:52 PM | Reply

I'm a borderline Hall of Fame troll, Alexandrite. I easily elicit multiple responses with a single post. And it doesn't take any effort.
#27 | Posted by BellRinger at 2025-04-06 05:42 PM

how do you look at yourself in the mirror?

Does it make you feel like a man to troll an anonymous news blog with a hundred or so commenters?

Pathetic does not begin to describe you

#55 | Posted by truthhurts at 2025-12-04 08:53 PM | Reply

" Yes, if Biden said he signed or authorized the signatures
He did"
You are a very dumb man.

#54 | Posted by BellRinger a

I literally laughed out loud

You can't even understand what you are claiming

You are claiming Biden was not aware of what was signed in his name

Yet Biden does not refute that

That means Biden accepts responsibility for them.

that is a simple fact

#56 | Posted by truthhurts at 2025-12-04 08:55 PM | Reply

Name 1 of the 1400 or so autopen executions that Biden did not authorize?

Shit I ain't 80 years old I LOVE electronic signing, fucking early onsite Arthur itis I suspect.

#57 | Posted by truthhurts at 2025-12-04 08:57 PM | Reply

"Two months later, the $1.9 trillion American Rescue Plan signing statement followed the same nocturnal pattern: very late-night West Wing upload, the president not in residence. By September 9, 2021, the OSHA vaccine memo cleared through EOB 276 again."

Are Republicans so dumb they think Biden has to personally push the Autopen button, or it doesn't count?

#58 | Posted by snoofy at 2025-12-04 09:07 PM | Reply

" You are claiming Biden was not aware of what was signed in his name"

Correct. Did you even look at the numbers?

I know that Biden accepts responsibility for them. What's being said is some of them (most?) we're made without his knowledge. It speaks to his Woodrow Wilson 2.0 presidency.

#59 | Posted by BellRinger at 2025-12-04 09:13 PM | Reply

" d I LOVE electronic signing"

Electronic signing and auto pen are completely different things.

#60 | Posted by BellRinger at 2025-12-04 09:14 PM | Reply


Name 1 of the 1400 or so autopen executions that Biden did not authorize?

Which ones did he actually authorize? Do you have any proof?

#61 | Posted by oneironaut at 2025-12-04 09:25 PM | Reply

Autopens, laptops... Trumpers are such technophobes.

But hey, Distracting from the Worst President in History, Twice, ain't easy.

#62 | Posted by Corky at 2025-12-04 09:25 PM | Reply


Are Republicans so dumb they think Biden has to personally push the Autopen button, or it doesn't count?
#58 | POSTED BY SNOOFY

What do you mean by "push"?

If it doesn't know he's signing it, then WTF is the point of having a President.

#63 | Posted by oneironaut at 2025-12-04 09:26 PM | Reply

How many of the orange child rapist's 1500 J6 pardons were signed by autopen?

#64 | Posted by Reinheitsgebot at 2025-12-04 09:28 PM | Reply

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