161 ... you can run their identifiers through immigration databases after running their plate to obtain them ... a then executing a traffic stop when the infraction database confirms it ...

Is called developing probable cause.

And the violent mob that is the Minnesota population are so up in arms about papers ... . They stop vehicles they suspect have ice agents in them and do what is it? Oh yeah ask for their papers.

Cooperating with federal law enforcement in no way interferes with states rights. AND it endangers then population by placing convicted criminals on the streets that don't even belong in the country.

How can you defend that practice with a straight face?

154 no. I'm not. 1/4 are criminals. Okay. So what? The law doesn't say only people here illegally with a criminal record are subject to arrest and being brought before a judge. It says EVERYONE in the country illegally.

Why, if in the course of their duties, they come across someone here illegally with no criminal record, they should ignore them? Give me a reason they shouldn't arrest them and take them in front of an immigration judge.

You are misconstruing the problem. It is not telling ice they have an illegal alien in custody so they can allow them to place a detainer. So I guess that is my fault for not wording it properly.

If they don't report it to ICE, they can't place a detainer and take them into custody. The ICE Twitter page is rife with them showing pictures of illegals that had been released onto the streets without being told but something tells me you would say that is a "lie! They can't be trusted!"

Is not the same thing

144. What do you mean? I've already said it's not legally justified. But an ad caused by a faulty gun is it the same thing as "fired by the agent" no matter how many times you say it or how much you want it to be.

Asked and disproven. Again. Are you sure your last name isn't Trump? You lie enough to be welcomed into the family

That article does nothing to disprove the AD. At all. It just assumes that the first shot fired was from the agent. It doesn't even consider or try to show whether Prettis gun had an ad that sparked the shooting. The video attached to THIS article clearly shows where the AD happened first. But because you only love the lie, you can't believe it.

As I've said. That doesn't remove the culpability of the agents. It's still not likely a legally j justified shooting. You still have to verify your threat before sending rounds down range. They clearly didn't. All the AD does is make it a whole lot less nefarious and a whole lot more a horrible senseless tragedy that could have been prevented By the disarming agent announcing the gun was secure.

The funniest part about this is, I've never voted for Trump in any of his three elections. It is possible to support and defend law enforcement without being a Trump supporter it's called "objectivity." It's a great concept.

The saddest fact is, you won't believe th evidence disproving your lie right here in this article and I doubt you would believe the results of the DOJ investigation or even the Minnesota investigation all because you enjoy the warmth of your lie more than the truth.

#129 POSTED BY A_FRIEND AT 2026-01-28 09:23 AM | FLAG: Lies so much he had to say it twice to hope it's believed, the. Lies two more times hoping his bull will be believed.

#126 | POSTED BY A_FRIEND AT 2026-01-28 09:14 AM | FLAG: Lies so much he had to say it twice to hope it's believed.

Which was AFTER Prettis gun had an AD ... . SUPERFACT!

118 I have only had two. Lost the password to my ABH account after decades of use. If there was a way to reset the password I would have done so.

And nothing b I've said is a lie. The evidence contained in this article is pretty convincing. You sticking your fingers in your ears and covering your eyes doesn't change that.

Nice try though.

I do believe that 100% because it's true. I've seen no evidence that their traffic stops are unlawful.

And again no, it's because ice doesn't have to run around and find the criminal illegals out on the street because Texas honors ice detainers. You have zero evidence to the contrary.

This idea that ICE is "terrorizing families" is pure garbage. Every arrest on this country is traumatizing to families. We don't stop doing them because of it. It's a ridiculous premise. Every time a police officer smashes the window of sovereign citizen for failing to produce a drivers license on demand and then refusing to exit the car doesn't result in violence from the population. Ice doing it because an illegal alien who the officer had probable cause to stop and then resists arrest shouldn't either.

The law says they are subject to arrest and being brought before an immigration judge. That's it.

Your arguments about scale are specious at best. If it's lawful and moral to do by the dozens, it's lawful and moral to do by the thousands.

All I hear from the violent agitating criminals in Minneapolis is: "concentrate on the criminals!" Without a single drop of irony in their voice. Minnesota is a sanctuary state. That means when an illegal alien is convicted of a crime they don't share that with ICE. They just let them serve their sentence and release them back on the street ... .FORCING ICE to have to go find them and execute the traffic stops they hate so much to arrest them. If they simply shared info with ICE and honored detainers, the day they are scheduled for release from their sentence they would instead be transferred to an ICE detention facility, see an immigration judge, and be rightfully deported. The situation in Minnesota was CAUSED by them. Then the populace got pissed at ICE for doing the work that they caused to happen and reacted with violence. It's insane to think otherwise.

I really love the "why aren't they in Texas, there is more illegals there!" Argument. It's because in Texas they honor ICE detainers and they don't have to run around and find illegals convicted of crimes after they are released onto the streets for no reason whatsoever.

And yet somehow it is "Nazi!" And "fascism!" Because ICE is doing the work they are statutorily required to do, in a manner consistent with all law enforcement in the United States.

101: okay so the courts have ruled that immigration warrants are not sufficient to enter people's homes. That's true. The DOJs position is that they are sufficient when pursuing a fleeing suspect. I haven't seen anything that indicates they have changed the view that it is always acceptable as a warrant to enter homes. If you have a source for that, I am amenable to reading it. That said the DOJ believes they have an exception. That will be litigated I. Court and upheld or not. That doesn't mean it is some crazy nefarious bout of storm trooper tactics to "terrorize" the populace. Get a grip. As for businesses? Businesses are places where the public can enter and have a reduced expectation of privacy and reduced protections under the 4th amendment.

ICE uses traffic stops to effect arrests. Something that happens every day all day in the enforcement of laws in this country. As long as they have established probable cause for the existence of an immigration violation, their traffic stops are perfectly legal. They don't NEED. A warrant of any kind to execute a traffic stop and effect an arrest. The overwhelming majority of arrests in this country are made without a warrant. There is no indication that ICE doesn't properly obtain probable cause before arresting anyone. Citizens don't get to interfere with lawful traffic stops just because they don't like the president.

So please. Tell me how the ICE Mission can get done without traffic stops. What is the way to find the people here illegally and arrest them without traffic stops? It's very simple. Run the plate, then run their identifiers through the database and if the data indicates they are here illegally? Viola? PC to arrest.

Where, exactly is the 4th amendment violation?

You say "they are violating the 4th amendment!" But have offered no proof of such.

All you have is anecdotal evidence. Anecdotal evidence is anecdotal and in no way an indictment on anything other than particular case. Mistakes are terrible things and I hope everyone of them sues for redress and wins. Court is the place to fight them, not the side of the road.

Let them do their job and there would be no violence. The instigating citizens interfering with lawful arrests is without question the cause for the violence. Not then police simply doing their jobs and conducting lawful traffic stops.