Saturday, September 07, 2024

A Dad's Fault: Shooter's Dad Tells a Familiar American Tale

It was just the two of them, the teenager and his father, since an eviction a year earlier ended with the boy's parents parting ways in a separation that fractured the entire family. That's what Colin Gray told a Georgia sheriff's investigator who came to his door in May 2023 asking whether an online threat to commit a school shooting had been posted by his son, Colt.

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Now both Colt, 14, and Colin Gray, 54, are charged in the killings of two students and two teachers Wednesday at Apalachee High School in Barrow County, outside Atlanta. Nine others were hurt, seven of them shot. The teen is charged with murder, and his father is accused of second-degree murder for providing his son with a semiautomatic, AR 15-style rifle used to kill children. Arrest warrants say the elder Gray did so knowing his son "was a threat to himself and others."

Jackson County authorities ended their inquiry into Colt Gray a year ago, concluding that there wasn't clear evidence to link him to a threat posted on Discord, a social media site popular with video gamers. The records from that investigation provide at least a narrow glimpse into a boy who struggled with his parents' breakup and at the middle school he attended at the time, where his father said others frequently taunted him.

"He gets flustered and under pressure. He doesn't really think straight," Colin Gray told the investigator on May 21, 2023, recalling a discussion he'd had with the boy's principal.

Shooting guns and hunting, he said, were frequent pastimes for father and son. Gray said he was encouraging the boy to be more active outdoors and spend less time playing video games on his Xbox.

When Colt Gray killed a deer months earlier, his father swelled with pride. He showed the investigator a photo on his cellphone, saying: "You see him with blood on his cheeks from shooting his first deer."

"It was just the greatest day ever," Colin Gray said.

An eviction upended the Grays' family in summer 2022. On July 25 of that year, a sheriff's deputy was dispatched to the rental home on a suburban cul-de-sac where Colin Gray, his wife, Colt and the boy's two younger siblings lived. It was following the eviction, he said, that his wife left him, taking the two younger siblings with her.

Colt Gray "struggled at first with the separation and all," said the father, who worked a construction job.

"I'm the sole provider, doing high rises downtown," he told the investigator. Two days later, there was a follow-up interview with Colin Gray while he was at work. He said by phone: "I'm hanging off the top of a building. ... I've got a big crane lift going, so it's kind of noisy up here."

#1 | Posted by tonyroma at 2024-09-07 01:21 PM

Middle school had also been rough for Colt Gray. He had just finished the seventh grade when Miller interviewed the father and son.

Colin Gray said the boy had just a few friends and frequently got picked on. Some students "just ridiculed him day after day after day."

"I don't want him to fight anybody, but they just keep like pinching him and touching him," Gray said. "Words are one thing, but you start touching him and that's a whole different deal. And it's just escalated to the point where like his finals were last week and that was the last thing on his mind."

A year before they would both end up charged in the high school shooting, Colin Gray insisted to the sheriff's investigator that his son wasn't the type to threaten violence.

"He's not a loner, Officer Miller. Don't get that," the father said, adding: "He just wants to go to school, do his own thing and he doesn't want any trouble."

The scariest part of this story is the distinct probability that all of us know a parent or parents who struggle with a child suffering from the pressures of social anxiety, just like Colt obviously did.

#2 | Posted by tonyroma at 2024-09-07 01:25 PM

I am truly not one who's disinterested in the heartbreaking tragedy of school shootings, especially when we know what keeps them from happening in nearly every other civilized nation on this planet. When we hear a child had access to a weapon originally designed for warfare, it simply makes no sense, and we immediately blame the parent(s) for allowing it to happen.

I wanted to hate Colin Gray, but after only reading a couple paragraphs I came to an unmistakable conclusion: Except for the fact this father didn't make a habit of locking down all his weapons as a matter of practice - especially since his son showed obvious troubling signs - Colin was just a single dad trying to deal with a son challenged by mental health issues. Or in other words, a simple father dealing with all the cards life has dealt him in the best way he knows how.

At least by this rendering, this dad wasn't encouraging his son to be violent with their sharing of hunting, he was trying to connect with his son's self esteem, trying to make him more secure when confronting his fears and the bullying he's said to have been haunted by.

Let me be clear: Colin Gray deserves to be held responsible for his role in allowing his son access to a weapon he took to school and killed and injured innocent children and teachers who'd never done Colt any harm.

Having said that, I can still see myself in his shoes playing the cards I was dealt, and honestly - knowing how much you want to love and encourage your child when they have mental health struggles - there but for the grace of God,... under similar circumstances, it could have been my child.

#3 | Posted by tonyroma at 2024-09-07 01:29 PM

The boy's maternal grandfather claimed the father was verbally abusive to both Colt and his mother. I don't know how much validity to put in that claim. Other reports have indicated the mother has had problems with drugs and that the father had a history of back surgeries. One thing for sure: they were a family under stress who were in both emotional and financial distress.

#4 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2024-09-07 04:06 PM

The mom may have had Far Away Eyes...

www.youtube.com

Actually most of the people in this story seem to.

#5 | Posted by Corky at 2024-09-07 04:23 PM

One thing for sure: they were a family under stress who were in both emotional and financial distress.
#4 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday

But they had the money to purchase an AR15 as a gift?

Their emotional and financial distress seem self-inflicted.

#6 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2024-09-07 05:19 PM

How much is an AR-15? Can you buy them on credit?

#7 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2024-09-07 05:56 PM

Waah waah... Reasons..

People are still Dead.

Lock em' Up.

#8 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2024-09-07 08:34 PM

I wanted to hate Colin Gray, but after only reading a couple paragraphs I came to an unmistakable conclusion: Except for the fact this father didn't make a habit of locking down all his weapons as a matter of practice - especially since his son showed obvious troubling signs - Colin was just a single dad trying to deal with a son challenged by mental health issues. Or in other words, a simple father dealing with all the cards life has dealt him in the best way he knows how. . . .
Having said that, I can still see myself in his shoes playing the cards I was dealt, and honestly - knowing how much you want to love and encourage your child when they have mental health struggles - there but for the grace of God,... under similar circumstances, it could have been my child.
#3 | Posted by tonyroma

It seems to me that you identify with Colin Gray, which I suspect is what the officer who interviewed him did as well and which is probably why he took Colin at his word and didn't probe further into the family dynamics and didn't put both Colin and Colt on some sort of follow-up watch list. I understand the father trying to bond with his son over hunting and being proud of his first kill, provided that wasn't the only thing he was proud of him about. I can remember my brother-in-law being proud of my (now grown) nieces when they each shot their first deer, but he was proud of them for many other activities/accomplishments as well. He never had them smear deer's blood on their cheeks to honor the occasion though. Is that some sort of male-bonding ritual in hunting culture I'm unaware of? Could be.

#9 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2024-09-07 11:12 PM

PS I'm not saying your empathy is necessarily misplaced. I'm saying for me the verdict is stil out, and I'd like more information.

#10 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2024-09-07 11:30 PM

At least by this rendering, this dad wasn't encouraging his son to be violent with their sharing of hunting, he was trying to connect with his son's self esteem, trying to make him more secure when confronting his fears and the bullying he's said to have been haunted by.

#3 | Posted by tonyroma at 2024-09-07 01:29 PM | Reply | EYE ROLL

Violence = behavior involving physical force intended to hurt, damage, or kill someone or something.

Killing is violence... it's done that way on purpose... bullets are just speedy violence... in terms of the victim's lifespan... usually. Even when you're talking about deer.

Adam Lanza's mom said the same thing about bonding over firearms with her kid... then there was that 20-year-old republicl0wn fella... yeah share a common interest... the power to kill something.

Hmmmm... seems to me if you want to avoid your child wanting to get through the rageful hormones phase in life... you know when their brains aren't fully developed... some things can wait... like bonding with lethal weapons... killing something together...

Ironically the same folks willing to give an assault-style weapon to a person with a not yet fully developed brain get all upset when parents allow gender transition ... why? Because it's potentially harmful to the person whose brain isn't fully developed... doh!.. or whatever line of reasoning outside something biblical... smh

It's the life-altering decision thingies...

On the other hand... a 14-year-old shouldn't terminate a pregnancy... don't get me started about what drugs can do to the undeveloped brain... not to mention all the information they have access to at all times right there on their phone... but let's not worry about the killing tool thingie... it's sort of ironic... and confusing.

When I was a kid we worried more about getting through a phalanx of infectious or self-inflicted diseases...

#11 | Posted by RightisTrite at 2024-09-08 09:02 AM

It seems to me that you identify with Colin Gray,

I don't think that I 'identify' with Colin as much as it was the facts and details of his life are so familiar with thousands of fathers like him. I've never owned a gun, never encouraged my son to partake in any firearms related activities, so in the sense of the weapons at issue here, I couldn't be more different because I both respect and understand the double-edged nature of firearms to both protect and project lethality as a matter of their purpose.

This morning, there's stories about the mother having contacted the school to warn them about her son. Obviously, there are complications I have no idea about. But I guess my initial response to reading excerpts from the police report indicated to me a single father ironworker trying to raise his troubled son while dealing with all the other things swirling in and around their lives. I saw in these two, a common theme of modern life where parents have pressures upon them that my parent's generation simply didn't in the scale we see today.

And I wonder, what programs or specialists might have been able to provide a better path for Colt had he been willing or able to seek guidance and counseling. But it's equally possible that he rejected the help being offered to him.

But at the end of the day, people that shouldn't be, are dead and some injured. None of them deserved their fates. And that's where we are at this moment, with the future ready to extract punishment and retribution through our courts and laws. But we know it's going to happen again and again if we don't change the ways we deal with the conflict that proliferation of firearms causes due to their constitutional protections.

Maybe the answer with AR-styled weapons could be some kind of law regulating their non-use and storage - nothing affecting their non-criminal active use at all. Perhaps such a law might demand that when not in use all of these weapons must either have trigger locks attached or be kept in locked gun safes or other lockable devices. Maybe even making it against federal law to sell or transfer any firearm that doesn't come with a working trigger lock at the point of sale. The trigger lock manufacturers would certainly be happy, and just maybe we could put a meaningful impediment between teenagers and weapons capable of shooting many people in very short periods of time.

#12 | Posted by tonyroma at 2024-09-08 09:54 AM

The mother tried. School officials looked for him but mistakenly focused on a student with a similar name.

They could have locked down the school before gunshots erupted.

Mother of Georgia suspect is said to have called school before shooting, warning of emergency'

The mother of the suspected Apalachee High School gunman said that she called the school on the morning of the shooting and warned a counselor about an "extreme emergency."

The mother of the suspected Apalachee High School gunman told family members that she called the school on the morning of the shooting and warned a counselor about an "extreme emergency" involving her 14-year-old son, according to text messages obtained by The Washington Post and an interview with a family member.

That account is supported by a call log from the family's shared phone plan, which shows a 10-minute call from the mother's phone to the school starting at 9:50 a.m. " about a half-hour before witnesses have said the gunman opened fire.

"I was the one that notified the school counselor at the high school," Marcee Gray texted her sister following the shooting on Sept. 4, according to a screenshot of the exchange. "I told them it was an extreme emergency and for them to go immediately and find [my son] to check on him."

www.washingtonpost.com

#13 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2024-09-08 12:54 PM

How much is an AR-15?

They've gotten very cheap. Budget guns will run you about $400-500. You can get them cheaper in some cases.

Can you buy them on credit?

#7 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday

Of course, just like everything else.

#14 | Posted by jpw at 2024-09-08 03:13 PM

#13 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY

PS - The father bought him an AR-15 AFTER authorities were alerted to threats and searched their home in 2023 !

#15 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2024-09-08 03:45 PM

#3 Tonyroma The father should be held responsible. After the FBI talked to his son about his posts, he goes and buys an AR-15 for his son for Christmas. He knew his son had problems so he buys him a GUN! I don't hate either one but they are both reponsible and both need to go to jail.

#16 | Posted by Ronnie68 at 2024-09-08 09:21 PM

#11 Rightistrite I was with you until you said a 14yo shouldn't terminate a pregnancy. Yeah, she should she's too young to have a child, it could kill her, she's a child and isn't mature enough to raisea child, the child could be born with defects, also, it's not your decision to make!

#17 | Posted by Ronnie68 at 2024-09-08 09:28 PM

I don't care what problems you are having in life. And how much you are trying to "bond" with your son. You still have responsibilities. To the safety of your son and the community in which you are raising him.

You don't give free "unregulated " access to deadly weapons to young children who are having mental problems.

At a minimum that weapon should have been securely locked up and inaccessible until the next "bonding" session.

The fault also lies in the states loose gun regulation laws and deadly weapons safety education that lull parents into allowing this kind of situation to be normalized.

#18 | Posted by donnerboy at 2024-09-08 09:38 PM

The parents are always responsible.

#19 | Posted by ClownShack at 2024-09-08 09:39 PM

#3 Tonyroma The father should be held responsible.

Did you miss my unqualified statement?

Let me be clear: Colin Gray deserves to be held responsible for his role in allowing his son access to a weapon he took to school and killed and injured innocent children and teachers who'd never done Colt any harm.
I couldn't be any clearer. I offered Colin no legal pass whatsoever and I did not advocate for one.

It's amazing we all have the ability to focus on what we want and miss what else is clearly there. No criticism, because I often do that myself here.

#20 | Posted by tonyroma at 2024-09-08 10:08 PM

Everyone: I composed this thread's title myself. The article's title is something completely different. I felt the tale of the article was that the father was at fault, but learning about his life and relationship with his son, I sensed no malicious neglect or indifference on what he was trying to do to reach his son.

But that doesn't absolve him from full responsibility. And I'd say the same had it been me and my own son. My point was to note the entire situation was much more complicated that one of just unquestioned neglect in securing his firearms. Colin was trying to love his imperfect son from his own imperfect life and imperfect decisions.

#21 | Posted by tonyroma at 2024-09-08 10:20 PM

I don't care what problems you are having in life. And how much you are trying to "bond" with your son. You still have responsibilities. To the safety of your son and the community in which you are raising him.

While you may have a moral or civic responsibility to your child or the community at law, especially criminal law, there generally is no such responsibility. Rarely does law hold one responsible for the acts of third parties. This is an attempt at finding an exception to the general rule. I'm skeptical based on available information in this case.

#22 | Posted by et_al at 2024-09-09 01:03 AM

Re 22

The Crumbleys were accused of not securing the newly purchased gun at home and acting indifferently to signs of their son's deteriorating mental health, especially when confronted with a chilling classroom drawing earlier that same day.

The Crumbleys earlier this year were convicted of involuntary manslaughter.

So it (holding parents accountable) can be done.

#23 | Posted by donnerboy at 2024-09-09 02:05 AM

I'm sorry, but I just cannot imagine any father buying his 14 year old kid an AR rifle. Beyond 'bonding' or trying to improve 'self esteem', from where I sit (far away from the world of guns and the accompanying culture and mind--set) the idea of buying any 14 year old kid a weapon of that strength and lethality is mind blowing. It makes me want to scream, "are you ------- crazy?".

#24 | Posted by moder8 at 2024-09-09 07:17 PM

Next year Junior gets a howitzer.

#25 | Posted by moder8 at 2024-09-09 07:43 PM

Rural kids grow up owning more powerful hunting rifles.

#26 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2024-09-09 09:19 PM

Much more powerful. Not eve in the same class of power, carbine vs rifle.

#27 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2024-09-09 09:20 PM

@#23 ... acting indifferently to signs of their son's deteriorating mental health ...

When is that a crime?

Along those lines, this new rule may be a good thing: drudge.com



#28 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-09-09 09:28 PM

Not eve in the same class of power, carbine vs rifle.

You'll agree that it's more than sufficient for hunting 8 year old kids and unarmored adults at point blank range?

#29 | Posted by REDIAL at 2024-09-09 09:35 PM

Can you buy them on credit?
#7 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday

If the dad did, it affirms my point about self-inflicted financial issues.

#30 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2024-09-10 01:05 AM

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