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Trump Calls for Immediate Ceasefire in Ukraine

Donald Trump on Sunday pushed Russian leader Vladimir Putin to act to reach an immediate ceasefire with Ukraine ...

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Trump calls for 'immediate ceasefire' in Ukraine after meeting Zelenskyy

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-- The Guardian (@theguardian.com) December 8, 2024 at 10:23 AM

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... Asked on NBC's "Meet the Press" if he were actively working to end the nearly 3-year-old Ukraine war, Trump said, "I am."

He refused to say if he had spoken to Putin since winning election in November. "I don't want to say anything about that, because I don't want to do anything that could impede the negotiation," Trump said.

Trump's call for an immediate ceasefire went beyond the public policy stands taken by the Biden administration and Ukraine and drew a cautious response from Zelenskyy. It also marks Trump wading unusually deeply into efforts before his Jan. 20 inauguration to resolve one of the major global crises facing the lame-duck Biden administration. ...

Zelenskyy described his discussions Saturday with Trump, brought together by French President Emmanuel Macron, as "constructive" but has given no further details.

Zelenskyy cautioned that Ukraine needs a "just and robust peace, that Russians will not destroy within a few years."

"When we talk about an effective peace with Russia, we must talk first of all about effective peace guarantees. Ukrainians want peace more than anyone else. Russia brought war to our land," he said Sunday in a post on the Telegram messaging app. ...

Trump has long complained that European and the Canadian governments in the mutual-defense bloc are freeloading on military spending by the U.S., by far the most powerful partner in NATO. NATO and its member governments say a majority of countries in the bloc are now hitting voluntary targets for military spending, due in part to pressure from Trump in his first term.

Asked whether he would consider the possibility of pulling out of NATO, Trump indicated that was an open question.

"If they're paying their bills, and if I think they're treating us fairly, the answer is absolutely I'd stay with NATO," he said.

But if not, he was asked if he would consider pulling the U.S. out of the alliance. Trump responded, "Absolutely. Yeah, absolutely." ...


#1 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-12-08 07:43 PM

Why should Russia make a deal if it knows Trump intends to cut aid to Ukraine and potentially pull out of NATO?

#2 | Posted by Sycophant at 2024-12-09 10:34 AM

" Why should Russia make a deal if it knows Trump intends to cut aid to Ukraine and potentially pull out of NATO?

#2 | POSTED BY SYCOPHANT AT 2024-12-09 10:34 AM | FLAG: "

Good question. My guess is aid will only be cut as part of a negotiated cease fire between Ukraine and Russia

#3 | Posted by BellRinger at 2024-12-09 01:55 PM

Why should Russia make a deal if it knows Trump intends to cut aid to Ukraine and potentially pull out of NATO?

#2 | Posted by Sycophant at 2024-12-09 10:34 AM | Reply | Flag:

Because Trump cabinet choices have signaled they'll flood Ukraine with arms if the deal is rebuffed.

#4 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2024-12-09 04:41 PM

"Because Trump cabinet choices have signaled they'll flood Ukraine with arms if the deal is rebuffed.

-Posted by sitz-bath"

Worked for Biden.

#5 | Posted by NerfHerder at 2024-12-09 04:46 PM

I find it amazing how aggressively stupid people become on foreign matters when beholden to either the Biden or the Trump world-view.

#6 | Posted by NerfHerder at 2024-12-09 04:47 PM

The Ukrainian people know that you can't make a peace deal with Putin who regards treaties as toilet paper. Trump can pat himself on the back all he wants but he won't bring real prace to Ukraine and as Speakssoftly said if Trump ends weapons and ammunition shipments to Ukraine Putin will just laugh about a peace treaty.In truth; as long as Putin lives there will be no peace. Trump reminds me of Neville Chamberlain negotiating with Hitler and he will be just as successful.

#7 | Posted by danni at 2024-12-09 06:24 PM

Putin accepts Trump's offer and will do so by 100% assimilating the Ukraine back into mother Russia.

#8 | Posted by ClownShack at 2024-12-09 06:44 PM

If trump called for it, russia must be losing.

#9 | Posted by bat4255 at 2024-12-09 07:32 PM

I call for Trump to admit to being a criminal, insist on his trials to start back up immediately, and gleefully accept the guilty verdicts and surrender immediately to prison authorities.

My scenario has more of a chance of happening than Orange Adolf's phony cease fire plan.

#10 | Posted by a_monson at 2024-12-09 09:37 PM

Worked for Biden.

#5 | Posted by NerfHerder at 2024-12-09 04:46 PM | Reply

Biden slow walked aid turdherder.

#11 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2024-12-10 06:56 AM

"Biden slow walked aid turdherder."

Yeah and he only had to worry about the nuclear war threats from Putin so why was he so cautious? Common sense? Something you won't have in the new administration.

#12 | Posted by danni at 2024-12-10 09:09 AM

If trump called for it, russia must be losing.

They have to import soldiers from N. Korea, so yes they are losing.

Trump cabinet choices have signaled they'll flood Ukraine with arms

That's how you KNOW that is not going to happen.

#13 | Posted by Nixon at 2024-12-10 11:51 AM

"I don't want to say anything about that, because I don't want to do anything that could impede the negotiation," Trump said.

Wow. That's a different Trumpy tactic. He must be serious!

He usually spews his maga nonsense all over the internets and mucks it all up before he even begins.

#14 | Posted by donnerboy at 2024-12-10 11:52 AM

Trump is a clown. He has no influence over Putin or the Russians.

He will escalate the war, not end it.

Israel and Ukraine will both be massively armed and funded.

Even more than Biden did.

War is coming. Not ceasefire. NATO will be involved.

Trump is incompetent. That's a known quantity.

He will somehow start and Lose a major war.

Winning!!!

#15 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2024-12-10 12:04 PM

No worries. Trumpy will end it in one day!

On Dictator Day! Which is day one.

Day One is gonna be a very busy day.

Keep your powder dry, your heads down and choose your targets carefully.

Semper Fi

#16 | Posted by donnerboy at 2024-12-10 12:20 PM

Day One is gonna be a very busy day.

The first order of business will be to explain how "Day One" is just a figure of speech, and doesn't actually mean the first day.

#17 | Posted by REDIAL at 2024-12-10 12:49 PM

and doesn't actually mean the first day.

#17 | POSTED BY REDIAL

And Republican "infrastructure week" doesn't actually mean infrastructure week THIS week. Or even THIS year. Or THIS administration. Apparently.

#18 | Posted by donnerboy at 2024-12-10 01:22 PM

Trump is calling for ceasefire? Who is he pressuring? Putin? Doubtful.

#19 | Posted by moder8 at 2024-12-10 03:07 PM

I suspect Leon Muskrat has already told Zelensky that on Inauguration Day the Starlink system over Ukraine will be shut off 'for maintenance'...

#20 | Posted by catdog at 2024-12-10 04:49 PM

Yeah and he only had to worry about the nuclear war threats from Putin so why was he so cautious? Common sense? Something you won't have in the new administration.

#12 | Posted by danni at 2024-12-10 09:09 AM | Reply

If the Biden admin worried about that they would not have crossed the 40+ red lines. The new administration doesn't have any red lines left to cross so its not an issue.

#21 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2024-12-10 05:17 PM

Just shut the ---- up about ---- you know nothing about, clown.

#22 | Posted by LegallyYourDead at 2024-12-11 01:03 AM

@#21 ... The new administration doesn't have any red lines left to cross ...

I remain to be convinced that is A Good Thing.



#23 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-12-11 01:14 AM

Ukrainians argue that it did not happen fast enough. They're probably not wrong imho.

#24 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2024-12-11 08:51 AM

Good question. My guess is aid will only be cut as part of a negotiated cease fire between Ukraine and Russia

#3 | Posted by BellRinger

LOL you actually think Putin gives two s*&^s about Trump.

My God it's amazing how dumb average intelligence can be...

#25 | Posted by jpw at 2024-12-11 09:43 AM

Because Trump cabinet choices have signaled they'll flood Ukraine with arms if the deal is rebuffed.

#4 | Posted by sitzkrieg

Wait wait wait. We're not worred about WWIII ending in a nuclear holocaust anymore?

Just trying to make sure I'm up to date here.

#26 | Posted by jpw at 2024-12-11 09:44 AM

The trumpers worried about that? It's called Concern Trolling. It's common on this site.

#27 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2024-12-11 10:16 AM

Not just on this site.

Maybe you missed it, but getting us out of Ukraine and cutting off aide was a major plank of his reelection and is a significant demand from MAGA.

#28 | Posted by jpw at 2024-12-11 10:18 AM

Are you telling me somebody got elected on a plank, then have cabinet members say they're going to do something completely different when elected?

Didn't see that coming. Must be new.

#29 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2024-12-11 10:40 AM

The Kellog-Fleitz plan given to Trump is to force both parties to the table. If Ukraine refuses negotiations, arms get cutoff. If Russia refuses negotiations, arms pour into Ukraine. NATO membership application for Ukraine is paused, but they get a US Security Guarantee and arms deals after the accord is signed.

#30 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2024-12-11 10:48 AM

They will definitely be giving up land. There is no Ukrainian ability to retake Crimea or Donbass. They just don't have the bodies, and the EU would have to form and commit armies to make it happen.

#31 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2024-12-11 10:49 AM

Of course DJT called for a Ceasefire.

I mean, how can he build the Moscow Trump Towers with Ukraine pointing hot drones and ballistic missiles at it?

There's only one way to look at whatever he does; what's in it for Donald?

#32 | Posted by Corky at 2024-12-11 10:51 AM

What about my post suggests I'm surprised or think it's new?

#33 | Posted by jpw at 2024-12-11 11:03 AM

WOW! An IMMEDIATE ceasefire!
That's even better than a strongly-worded email, and twice as forceful!

Trump! Delivering already!
I bet Putin is quaking in his third dacha!

#34 | Posted by e1g1 at 2024-12-11 02:48 PM

Trump will happily help Zelenskyy save Ukraine from destruction.

But first he just needs a little favor. Meet him in his office.

Bring your knee pads.

#35 | Posted by donnerboy at 2024-12-11 02:57 PM

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