Wednesday, March 19, 2025

Changes to Social Security

Over the next two weeks, SSA will carefully transition to stronger identity proofing procedures for both benefit claims and direct deposit changes. Individuals seeking these services who cannot use their personal my Social Security account, which requires online identity proofing, will then need to visit a local Social Security office to prove their identity in person.

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"Absolutely going to crater this agency." @martinomalley.bsky.social and @stephruhle.bsky.social discuss the sweeping changes at the Social Security Administration, and how they could impact Americans.

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-- 11thhourmsnbc.bsky.social (@11thhourmsnbc.bsky.social) March 19, 2025 at 1:05 AM

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Cut budgets and staff, then create much more work.

Truly brilliant for those who want to make people believe that a system like Soc Sec, which is the most copied model worldwide, doesn't work.

Just break it.

#1 | Posted by Corky at 2025-03-19 08:55 PM

The horror and hits keep coming. In addition to better protection for YOU the changes will also:

"At the same time, the agency will expedite processing all direct deposit change requests " both in person and online " to one business day. Prior to this change, online direct deposit changes were held for 30 days.

"Americans deserve to have their Social Security records protected with the utmost integrity and vigilance," said Lee Dudek, Acting Commissioner of Social Security. "For far too long, the agency has used antiquated methods for proving identity. Social Security can better protect Americans while expediting service."

#2 | Posted by gracieamazed at 2025-03-19 09:10 PM

Human rights violations too! Are they unionized?

"SSA recently required nearly all agency employees, including frontline employees in all offices throughout the country, to work in the office five days a week. This change ensures maximum staffing is available to support the stronger in-person identity proofing requirement."

#3 | Posted by gracieamazed at 2025-03-19 09:14 PM

... will then need to visit a local Social Security office ...

But, what if those local Social Security offices are being closed by DOGE?

For example...

Social Security office closures raise questions for some Central Georgia retirees
www.13wmaz.com

... Several Social Security offices in Central Georgia have recently closed, leaving many residents"especially seniors"wondering where to turn for assistance.

The closures, affecting communities like Thomasville and Vidalia, are part of a broader effort by the government to streamline operations and reduce costs.

However, the closures now raise concerns about access to essential services, particularly in rural areas where alternative options are limited.

For retirees like Joanne Fluellen, Social Security is a lifeline.

"I was employed at Robins Air Force Base," she said. ....



#4 | Posted by LampLighter at 2025-03-19 09:15 PM

Please STOP the madness, read the link. We need marches and protests!

"SSA plans to implement the Department of Treasury's Bureau of the Fiscal Service's payment integrity service called Account Verification Service (AVS). AVS provides instant bank verification services to proactively and timely prevent fraud associated with direct deposit change requests."

#5 | Posted by gracieamazed at 2025-03-19 09:16 PM

@#4

Is this similar to the GOP saying that voter ID can be obtained from a ~voting office~ but those ~voting offices~ were rare or non-existent in areas that did not vote for Republicans??

#6 | Posted by LampLighter at 2025-03-19 09:17 PM

"Americans deserve to have their Social Security records protected with the utmost integrity and vigilance,"

I guess that's why they let Musk and his minions riffle through everything and mistake a COBOL error for fraud.

As far as the direct deposit change, great. If it actually happens.

Was there a problem with mail? Or is this another manufactured problem to justify cuts? Why can't people do all three?

Oh forgot, the Billionaires are chomping for their tax cut.

#7 | Posted by zarnon at 2025-03-19 09:18 PM

@#5 ... We need marches and protests! ...

The exclamation point seems to imply you have a reason for that call to march and protest.

What is it?

Be specific.

thx.


#8 | Posted by LampLighter at 2025-03-19 09:19 PM

This is nasty.
It is cruel.
It is evil.
It is punitive.
It is intended to deter people from getting what they are entitled to receive.

#9 | Posted by YAV at 2025-03-19 09:21 PM

Was there a problem with mail?

You have to be joking. Mail if fraught with SS fraud, on top of 1940s tech.

#10 | Posted by oneironaut at 2025-03-19 09:24 PM

Why can't people do all three?

Costs to maintain all 3 systems, AND how users can select. Best thing for efficiency is one option.

#11 | Posted by oneironaut at 2025-03-19 09:25 PM

#9 | POSTED BY LYINYAV

Sure thing, LyinYav, sure thing. Go back to your kool aide, its almost chilled.

#12 | Posted by oneironaut at 2025-03-19 09:26 PM


The exclamation point seems to imply you have a reason for that call to march and protest.
What is it?
Be specific.
thx.
#8 | POSTED BY LAMPLIGHTER

No

#13 | Posted by oneironaut at 2025-03-19 09:27 PM

Was there a problem with mail?

#7 | Posted by zarnon at 2025-03-19 09:18 PM | Reply | Flag:

dUh!!! bRinG bAcK tHe PoNy eXpReSs!!!!!

#14 | Posted by lfthndthrds at 2025-03-19 09:28 PM

"At the same time, the agency will expedite processing all direct deposit change requests " both in person and online " to one business day. Prior to this change, online direct deposit changes were held for 30 days.
#2 | Posted by gracieamazed

"SSA recently required nearly all agency employees, including frontline employees in all offices throughout the country, to work in the office five days a week. This change ensures maximum staffing is available to support the stronger in-person identity proofing requirement."
#3 | Posted by gracieamazed

One business day after you get an appointment if you need to go in person. Getting that appointment can already take a long time and even requiring employees to work in the office 5 days a week isn't going to compensate enough to deal with the influx of increased appointments the agency anticipates:

Because the SSA serves a large population that is either older or physically disabled, many cannot access the internet. Under the new system, this would force these populations to visit an office to have their claim processed. The Diaz memo estimates it would require 75,000 to 85,000 in-person visitors per week to SSA's offices to implement the policy.

SSA offices do not currently have the resources to handle an influx of in-person appointments of this size. In 2023, the most recent data available, there were about 119,128 daily visits, on average, to SSA offices. Eight-five thousand more week visits would be a 14% increase. SSA offices no longer accept walk-ins and the wait time for an appointment, even before these changes, averaged over a month.

The memo anticipates creating a huge surge in demand for in-person appointments as the SSA slashes staff and closes offices. Acting SSA Commissioner Leland Dudek has announced that he will terminate 7,000 workers, about 12% of the workforce. Meanwhile, dozens of SSA offices are being shuttered. Some people need to travel more than 100 miles to get to the nearest location. As the SSA limits services that could be provided over the phone, it is ending in-person services at some offices, converting them to phone-only.

An SSA source told Popular Information that there are "no significant concerns about fraud at intake" because no benefits are being distributed. And there are already multiple layers of identity verification in place before a claim is approved. The source said they believe the new ID verification steps are an effort to "create additional hurdles to filing claims and overwhelm the system."

The memo acknowledges that the policy changes would create increased "challenges for vulnerable populations." This seems to concede that many elderly and disabled people are physically unable to travel to an in-person office. It is unclear how these populations will be able to receive benefits at all.

The combination of fewer workers, fewer offices, and a massive increase in the demand for in-person services could sabotage the Social Security system " effectively denying many Americans the benefits they are due.

All of this is directly acknowledged in the Diaz memo. The memo predicts "service disruption," "operational strain," and "budget shortfalls." It also says preventing people who cannot use the internet or travel to an in-person office from receiving benefits could result in "legal challenges and congressional scrutiny."

popular.info


#15 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2025-03-19 09:45 PM

The horror and hits keep coming.
Please STOP the madness, read the link. We need marches and protests!

The SSA is being significantly undermined. Please read beyond the Trump/Musk propaganda. Or don't. As for the rest of us, we are not content with being so smug and gullible:

Between the lines: "People have a lot of trouble with the identification process," says Jen Burdick, a lawyer who provides free legal services for Americans trying to get Social Security disability benefits.

A recent client tried to drop by an office last week and was told to make an appointment by phone. On the phone, they were put on hold for six hours on Monday, five hours on Tuesday and two blocks of time, each three hours, on Wednesday, she said.

These proposed changes are "a way they're trying to use red tape to literally block people from getting benefits," Burdick said.

www.axios.com

#16 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2025-03-19 09:55 PM

@#13 ... No ...

OK, now your current alias seems to be not only replying for, but also knowing the intent of the person I replied to.

That's quite interesting.


#17 | Posted by LampLighter at 2025-03-19 09:55 PM

@#14 ... dUh!!! bRinG bAcK tHe PoNy eXpReSs!!!!! ...

Why?

The Pony Express lasted 18 months.

Pony Express
en.wikipedia.org

... The Pony Express was an American express mail service that used relays of horse-mounted riders between Missouri and California. It was operated by the Central Overland California and Pikes Peak Express Company.

During its 18 months of operation beginning in 1860, the Pony Express reduced the time for messages to travel between the east and west US coast to about 10 days.

It became the west's most direct means of east"west communication before the first transcontinental telegraph was established (October 24, 1861), and was vital for tying the new state of California with the rest of the United States. ...


#18 | Posted by LampLighter at 2025-03-19 09:58 PM

Can I laugh when trump cheering Gracie doesn't get her SS check?

#19 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2025-03-19 10:07 PM

Sure thing, LyinYav, sure thing. Go back to your kool aide, its almost chilled.

Oh little Wu Mao. Don't be mad that you're an ignorant fool. Educate yourself! You can do it!

#20 | Posted by YAV at 2025-03-19 10:07 PM

This is going to suck for so many people. Rural, the blackbelt of Georgia Alabama, you name it. I don't have any doubt which areas will be targets for office closures. This is going to be rough.

I know this from my personal experiences for the past 3 years.
I know this from coaching others.
When you do this over the phone it is fast. It is quick. It doesn't waste time. It is efficient. The worse part is you can be on hold for much too long before you get to speak with someone. They have always been kind, courteous, and gone out of their way to help me, though.
You simply can't do many things on line. You just can't.
I've also had to use the fax (virtual fax) a LOT. How many people have that? Or even know how to use it?

It takes months to get a response for an SSA-44 for instance, and you can't fill that out online. Sometimes you don't hear a word - until you get your IRMMA adjustment and premium notification.
To have to schedule an office visit is nearly imnpossible as it is, nor is it anything to be desired.
And then to force people to find a way to get to the office which may not even been near you?

How do you schedule that appointment? Phone? Internet? If you aren't able or capable of using a computer? Have a landline? Just forget about doing it.

And what about older folks, disabled folks, folks that don't drive, don't have access to transportation.

And the morons deciding this are who? Musk? His Team Teen2Twenties? Clueless who the customer is? Living in their own perfect health and youth imagining everyone is just as able as they?

As I said:

This is nasty.
It is cruel.
It is evil.
It is punitive.
It is intended to deter people from getting what they are entitled to receive.

#21 | Posted by YAV at 2025-03-19 10:27 PM

A recent client tried to drop by an office last week and was told to make an appointment by phone. On the phone, they were put on hold for six hours on Monday, five hours on Tuesday and two blocks of time, each three hours, on Wednesday, she said.

These proposed changes are "a way they're trying to use red tape to literally block people from getting benefits," Burdick said.

^^^THIS^^^
Exactly right, Gal!

#22 | Posted by YAV at 2025-03-19 10:31 PM

Ok, to clarify, and correct the misperception that some idiots are raising.

This change requires a SS recipient to GO TO A SS OFFICE whenever there is a change in benefits OR a change in direct deposit information.

To verify identification.

Who receives SS?

Disabled and old people

The example I posted that was cut when the thread was moved to the Front Page is the perfect exemplar.

A 90-year-old wheel bound woman whose husband dies will have to go to a SS office to deal with the change in her benefits.

If you can't understand the problem with that, I just don't know.

SS recipients live in Assisted Living facilities, are in hospice care, live in long term mental health facilities, live in old age homes say for the last couple of years of their lives when they are simply immobile.

These people will now have to find a SS office, go to it and get approved.

That is cruel.

NOW combine that with the closure of SS offices and they have announced plans to eliminate 7,000 staff members.

71.6 MILLION Americans are on SS

Assume say 5 % per year have a need to change their benefits or direct deposit

There is what like 250 workdays during the year?

Thats 14,320 people processed PER DAY

That is a complete addition to the normal work performed by the social security staff in the offices.

So, yeah this is evil

#23 | Posted by truthhurts at 2025-03-19 10:45 PM

Great examples, TruthHurts. Exactly right, too.

#24 | Posted by YAV at 2025-03-19 10:46 PM

But think of the savings when the old people don't get their checks any more!

#25 | Posted by snoofy at 2025-03-19 10:47 PM

Who receives SS?

Disabled and old people

it's eugenics. Elon Musk is a Nazi.

#26 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2025-03-19 10:51 PM

Just another thing to thank magat scum for.

I notice OK senator got Doge to reopen SS offices in his state.

So, yeah, corruption on top of the cruelty.

But, do not fear, magat scum will be hurt by this.

So, at least we will be able to point and laugh at the magat scum.

----, even gravyamazed will be forced to go to a SS office to confirm her identity. It will be like the waiting room to hell, so there is that.

#27 | Posted by truthhurts at 2025-03-19 10:54 PM

And just a bigger picture type thing.

This type of damage to a program like this is not easily fixed.

Like shutting down USAID immediately is going to cause the death of millions.

This will cause the loss of benefits to countless

And the fix to this damage will not be easy or smooth.

I thought SS was one of those third rail type things.

Of course, I thought due process rights was a universally approved right.

Oh well, thanks magat scum

#28 | Posted by truthhurts at 2025-03-19 10:56 PM

"I thought SS was one of those third rail type things."

That was before Trump realized his Republican followers will gladly push Grandma off the cliff.

We're through the looking glass now.

#29 | Posted by snoofy at 2025-03-19 10:58 PM

gravyamazed in the waiting room to hell

#30 | Posted by YAV at 2025-03-19 11:20 PM

Who receives SS?
Disabled and old people

Also dependents of a worker who dies, i.e., children under 18, and I think also the spouse of the deceased worker. These are called survivor benefits.

#31 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2025-03-20 12:01 AM

Suddenly claiming someone died a year and a half ago sounds kind of DOGE-Y to me, and I bet we are going to hear more and more stories like this:

90 year-old veteran wrongly declared dead struggles to restore Social Security benefits
March 19, 2025

Kind received a letter from his healthcare provider addressed to his estate, notifying him of his own death that supposedly occurred a year and a half ago in October of 2023.

"To the estate of Thomas Kind. We're sorry to hear about the recent loss of Thomas Kind. We want to share some information without placing any extra burden on you at this time," the letter read.

Kind's reaction: "What a bunch of crap."

For the past 10 days, Kind has been unable to resolve the situation despite multiple attempts to contact officials.

"You can't talk to anybody," Kind said. "You can't get through. You sit on the phone for an hour waiting and making requests for customer service. I'm just looking for whoever has some ideas to turn the benefits back on."

The situation is particularly challenging for Kind, who has limited mobility.

"It's tough to have to deal with something like this when I'm here living 24/7," he said. "I can't get out. I don't have a car anymore."

www.9news.com

#32 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2025-03-20 12:30 AM

it's eugenics. Elon Musk is a Nazi.
#26 | Posted by Alexandrite

Obviously the elderly and disabled are NPCs who have outlived their usefulness and need to be killed off
by the only people that count, Musk and Trump.

#33 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2025-03-20 12:38 AM

They're closing down a whole lot of SS offices across the country. Wait'll rural MAGA voters have to drive hours to even reach a Social Security office ... after waiting months for an appointment.

No more walk ins are allowed. Appointments currently take at least a month. The level of cuts they're making with a chain saw means it will be months and months before someone could even get an appointment at a social security office. Which, again, are being closed by the dozens. Remaining SS offices will be overwhelmed.

#34 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2025-03-20 01:22 AM

This change was in the works for some time. I received notification last year.

#35 | Posted by visitor_ at 2025-03-20 10:12 AM

This change was in the works for some time. I received notification last year.
Posted by visitor

Really? No one I know who is on SS received such a letter. Even if this plan was in the works since last year, it was not scheduled to be accompanied by firing 7000 SSA employees and closing multiple SSA offices across the country.

#36 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2025-03-20 10:18 AM

"This change was in the works for some time."

Which change are you referring to?

Are you sure you are getting Social Security, and not Social Security Disability Income?

#37 | Posted by snoofy at 2025-03-20 10:20 AM

Mail if fraught with SS fraud

Funny how these idiots keep using that word, but don't seem to actually know what it means.

#38 | Posted by jpw at 2025-03-20 11:39 AM

"Like shutting down USAID immediately is going to cause the death of millions."

I'll say it again, you guys should have been comparing him to Chairman Mao instead of the stupid Hitler comparisons that he actually wanted.

#39 | Posted by sentinel at 2025-03-20 12:31 PM

OMG, proving who you are to get your check, it's outrageous!

At least the left is consistent, anything that cuts waste and makes government more efficient they are against.

#40 | Posted by fishpaw at 2025-03-20 12:39 PM

"comparing him to Chairman Mao"

Sure.

What Trump is doing to America is intended to deliver results akin to China's Great Leap Forward.

"The Great Leap Forward was a campaign initiated by the Chinese Communist Party from 1958 to 1962, aimed at rapidly transforming China from an agrarian society into an industrialized nation through collectivization and rural industrialization. It resulted in widespread famine and the deaths of an estimated 15 to 55 million people due to economic mismanagement and poor planning."

#41 | Posted by snoofy at 2025-03-20 12:39 PM

"OMG, proving who you are to get your check, it's outrageous!"

We should have to prove who we are, each and every month, right?

Otherwise you're opening the door for fraud, right?

#42 | Posted by snoofy at 2025-03-20 12:40 PM

#42 Nope, just once is ok. Thanks. We have technology now.

#43 | Posted by fishpaw at 2025-03-20 12:47 PM

"OMG, proving who you are to get your check, it's outrageous!"

Making it very difficult if not next to possible for elderly, disabled and expat people to get the benefits that they fucking earned is outrageous.

Too bad the left can't call out this idiocy for what it is: pure f-----ry.

#44 | Posted by sentinel at 2025-03-20 12:49 PM

"Too bad the left can't call out this idiocy"

We have been calling it out all along.

It's the Riiight who won't dare call out Dear Leader.

#45 | Posted by snoofy at 2025-03-20 12:51 PM

"Nope, just once is ok."

Proving who they are has already been done, when then first qualified for benefits!

So there's no need to do it again. According to you.

So now you oppose Trump's plan. You just don't realize it yet. And now you'll change your tune.

#46 | Posted by snoofy at 2025-03-20 12:53 PM

Who thought it was a good idea to suddenly require seniors who generally have a lower level of understanding of tech and are more likely to suffer from disabilities to require the somewhat complex process of online identify verification or travel to a social security office at the same time when the government is closing dozens of ss offices across the country.

Did they consider the fact that 10% of Americans age 65% or older do not have internet access and that number rapidly increases among even older individuals? Fewer than half of individuals over 80 go online.

#47 | Posted by johnny_hotsauce at 2025-03-20 01:11 PM

Who receives SS?
Disabled and old people
it's eugenics. Elon Musk is a Nazi.
#26 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2025-03-19 10:51 PM

I agree this is the crux of why DOGE targets those with the least ability to protect themselves.

Veterans, the elders, the poor, disabled and the ill are their aim.

#48 | Posted by redlightrobot at 2025-03-20 01:30 PM

anything that cuts waste and makes government more efficient they are against.

#40 | POSTED BY FISHPAW

lol this stupid f^*% actually believes that's what they're doing.

Do you have trouble walking and chewing at the same time?

#49 | Posted by jpw at 2025-03-20 01:30 PM

Making it very difficult if not next to possible for elderly, disabled and expat people to get the benefits that they fucking earned is outrageous.

100%.

#50 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2025-03-20 01:33 PM

"Making it very difficult if not next to possible for elderly, disabled and expat people to get the benefits that they fucking earned is outrageous."

Not to Republicans.
Tell us why, Eberly.

#51 | Posted by snoofy at 2025-03-20 01:35 PM

"Did they consider the fact that 10% of Americans age 65% or older do not have internet access"

Consider it? Hell, it probably got the idea over the finish line.

I'm sure the DOGE-bags have already claimed savings on their (ever-changing) WALL.

#52 | Posted by Danforth at 2025-03-20 01:48 PM

"Did they consider the fact that 10% of Americans age 65% or older do not have internet access"

Just imagine. There are old people dumber and more out of touch than the MAGAs here.

Maybe Trump is right.
Maybe they deserve to starve to death.
Maybe we are better off cutting the dead weight.
Just like we did with COVID.

Right, Republicans?

#53 | Posted by snoofy at 2025-03-20 01:57 PM

Totally unnecessary, but Musk lied about dead people collecting benefits so it has to be done.

#54 | Posted by Derek_Wildstar at 2025-03-20 02:01 PM

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