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... The Biden administration is considering taking unilateral action without Congress to make it harder for migrants to pass the initial screening for asylum at the U.S.-Mexico border and quickly deport recently arrived migrants who don't meet the criteria, say three U.S. officials with knowledge of the deliberations.

The actions, which are still weeks away from finalization, are an effort to lower the number of migrants crossing the southern border illegally as immigration remains a top issue for voters heading into the 2024 presidential election.

Under the new policies, asylum officers would be instructed to raise the standards they use in their "credible fear interviews," the first screening given to asylum-seekers who are trying to avoid deportation for crossing the border illegally. And Immigration and Customs Enforcement would be told to prioritize recently arrived migrants for deportation, in a "last in, first out" policy, the officials said. ...


#1 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-02-21 02:44 PM | Reply

A minor change with minor effect.

Shame the GOP is so pro-open borders.

#2 | Posted by Sycophant at 2024-02-21 03:19 PM | Reply

@#2 ... Shame the GOP is so pro-open borders. ...

Ya know, it takes a lot to convince me to change an opinion that I hold.

But regrading an "open border," the GOP has convinced me that they are in favor of it.

Why do I think they hold that opinion?

Because it now seems to be a political point they can try to drive home.

So now, it appears that the GOP is the party in favor of the so-called "open borders."

The apparent change of mind by the GOP seems to want to put politics above the good of the Country.

Oh well, that seems to be the current GOP. ...


#3 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-02-21 11:50 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

GQP: The open borders are a mess, this is Bidens fault.

Biden: Ok here is legislation that will begin to tackle the problem.

GQP: NO! This is too much of a crisis to solve in 2024! Lets go on vacation.

Biden: Okay, I will take executive actions that will address some of the problems.

GQP: NO! It doesn't do enough.

They aren't serious about a solution. They only want a problem.

#4 | Posted by Nixon at 2024-02-23 08:58 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

They aren't serious about a solution. They only want a problem.
#4 | POSTED BY NIXON

They only want a problem they can blame on Biden and Democrats.

#5 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2024-02-23 09:00 AM | Reply

GOP seems to want to put politics above the good of the Country.

Social security

Medicare

Health care

Child care

Student loan relief

Immigration

Roads, bridges, highways

Lowering prescription drug prices

They ALWAYS put politics above the good of the country.

Nothing shows that more ideally than them using information from Putin that they were warned was not legitimate to try to impeach Biden.

Why? Because donny dementia told them to.

He has always pushed the stupid people around him into ruining their lives for something he wants.

Rudy, Mike Pillow, Gym Jordan, Jenna Ellis, Jeff Clark, Easton, Sidney Powell, Cohen, Popadapolous, Flynn, the J6 terrorists...it goes on and on.

They willingly toss away their credibility, future, careers, fortune, freedom for him.

He is the worst kind of abusive user there is.

#6 | Posted by Nixon at 2024-02-23 09:06 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Biden says there is nothing more he can do on the border, but he's going to. Another lie from Biden.

What made him change his mind? 10's of thousands dead from fentanyl poisoning? The thousands of people who died trying to get here? The

thousands of kids being human trafficked? The humanitarian crisis at the border and in sanctuary cities? The rising crime done by illegals?

NAW NONE OF THAT......The answer is, none of the above. He did it simply for votes.... for himself.

#7 | Posted by shrimptacodan at 2024-02-23 09:34 AM | Reply

#3 | Posted by LampLighter

It is 2 fold. Many of their donors and key constituents profit from undocumented labor.

#8 | Posted by GalaxiePete at 2024-02-23 09:35 AM | Reply

#6 | Posted by Nixon

He is just a symptom of rotten cancerous nature of what the GOP has become.

#9 | Posted by GalaxiePete at 2024-02-23 09:36 AM | Reply

If Biden did something to gain support here at election time, considering we know his true colors, I wouldn't trust he wouldn't go right back after the election and open the gates wider than ever.

#10 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2024-02-23 10:11 AM | Reply

"Arrests" are down.

twitter.com

#11 | Posted by kwrx25 at 2024-02-23 11:35 AM | Reply

"GQP: The open borders are a mess, this is Bidens fault.

Biden: Ok here is legislation that will begin to tackle the problem.

GQP: NO! This is too much of a crisis to solve in 2024! Lets go on vacation."

As usual, and I've had to post this way too many times on here, Dems can't stand when their pork gets denied. Dems don't care what is in a bill as long as it is titled with something their platform agrees with. A Dem could submit legislation that says, "We will give everyone free money every day. Additionally, every citizen will have to report to their local precincts so that a person can punch them in the face 5 times...every day." and Dems go "AWESOME, FREE MONEY!!!" Reps want foreign aid and border protection to be considered two separate topics. Whether or not you agree with that is not the problem, everyone has valid opinions. But attacking them and making up stupid hypothetical situations that don't relate to their actions in any way just makes Dems lose more and more credibility.

And, on that note, and this cannot be argued or debated in any way, Biden is now a racist and xenophobic. The only response Liberals have ever given regarding strengthening our borders is that to do so is racist/xenophobic. So, when you go to the polls, just remember you are voting for a racist. Go ahead, comment all you want to try to mask your hypocrisy...you can't. It's written plainly. If you can't understand it, it's your reading comprehension that is the problem, not Reps or Dems.

#12 | Posted by humtake at 2024-02-23 11:42 AM | Reply

I've had to post this way too many times on here

#12 | POSTED BY HUMTAKE

What was your first clue?

#13 | Posted by Zed at 2024-02-23 11:47 AM | Reply

Biden reversed all of Trump's Exc orders and stopped the Wall from being finished on the Border the first couple of days in office. all Biden has to do is reinstate them

remember, 4-5 months ago the Dems said there wasn't a problem at the Border, the Border is secure. just recently the Dems decided there is a problem at the border. all the sudden it's Trump's fault, and now it's Republicans fault. if you all can't see what is going on you are completely blind

#14 | Posted by Maverick at 2024-02-23 11:49 AM | Reply

Go ahead, comment all you want

#12 | POSTED BY HUMTAKE

You mean, like.....You're a loud-mouthed supporter of Russian assets?

There, I said it. And know what? I do feel better.

#15 | Posted by Zed at 2024-02-23 11:49 AM | Reply

all the sudden it's Trump's fault, and now it's Republicans fault.

#14 | POSTED BY MAVERICK

Yes, yes it is.

I wonder what Trump and MAGA did to make that happen?

I wonder what else you people will burn to the ground in your quest for a fascist paradise?

#16 | Posted by Zed at 2024-02-23 11:52 AM | Reply

@#14 ... now it's Republicans fault. ...

Yup, now (not 4 to 5 months ago, but now) it is the Republicans fault.

Once the Democrats and Republicans in the Senate got together and passed a bi-partisan bill, one that gave the GOP pretty much all they wanted in an immigration bill, the House GOP wouldn't even allow the bill to be presented in the House.

So, yeah, it is the Republicans' fault now, more specifically, the House Republicans.


#17 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-02-23 12:04 PM | Reply

This is hilarious.

Their Asylum hearings are out 6-7 years.

#17 by using contextomy and not addressing his argument, you look and sound like an idiot.

#18 | Posted by oneironaut at 2024-02-23 12:22 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

contextomy

You're misusing that word.

Seems like you haven't a clue what that means.

#19 | Posted by ClownShack at 2024-02-23 12:26 PM | Reply

@#8 ... Many of their donors and key constituents profit from undocumented labor. ...

Agreed.

#20 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-02-23 01:46 PM | Reply

"But regrading an "open border," the GOP has convinced me that they are in favor of it."

and

"Many of their donors and key constituents profit from undocumented labor. ..."

Then explain the wall, the razor wire, the detainment?

You know...all that stuff that went on when Trump was president that you lost your minds over. It was cruel, mean, racist, etc. How was any of that helping those coveted donors and their profits?

Now, you're insisting the GOP was really for open borders all along?

For Christs sakes...make up your damn minds.

#21 | Posted by eberly at 2024-02-23 02:12 PM | Reply

"Now, you're insisting the GOP was really for open borders all along?"

They have been for open borders all along.
Did Trump close the border?

#22 | Posted by snoofy at 2024-02-23 02:16 PM | Reply

@#21 ... you lost your minds over. It was cruel, mean, racist, etc ...

The separation of children from their parents was cruel and mean. The detainment conditions were cruel and mean.

... Now, you're insisting the GOP was really for open borders all along?

Back in June 2018, Stephen Miller, a member of the Trump administration, worked with the Republican-held Congress to craft the Four Pillars bill, meeting the requirements that fmr Pres Trump wanted.

Yet fmr Pres Trump then signaled he would not sign the bill.

Apparently, even back then he did not want to solve the border problem, preferring to keep it active to be used for political points. Active for political points, which the Republicans are obviously using it for nowadays.



#23 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-02-23 02:35 PM | Reply

-Apparently, even back then he did not want to solve the border problem,

so all of that was a ruse?

#24 | Posted by eberly at 2024-02-23 02:42 PM | Reply

"so all of that was a ruse?"

It was, and still is, White Nativist Populism.

#25 | Posted by snoofy at 2024-02-23 02:45 PM | Reply

For Christs sakes...make up your damn minds.

#21 | Posted by eberly

Say that to the party that says immigration is our biggest crisis but refuses to pass legislation on it.

#26 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2024-02-23 02:56 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

@#24 ... so all of that was a ruse? ...

Considering the actual actions of Republicans in Congress nowadays (specifically the House Republicans), I'd say, yes.

#27 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-02-23 02:59 PM | Reply

Yet fmr Pres Trump then signaled he would not sign the bill.
~ GasLighter

False because there were two bills being proposed.

@realDonaldTrump on immigration bills in Congress: "I'm looking at both of them. I certainly wouldn't sign the more moderate one"
twitter.com

#28 | Posted by oneironaut at 2024-02-23 03:09 PM | Reply

Trump would likely sign the bill, which is favored by conservatives. But it has no chance of passing the Senate, where Democratic votes would be needed.
rollcall.com

#29 | Posted by oneironaut at 2024-02-23 03:12 PM | Reply

Democrats are signaling they'll oppose a compromise bill based on Trump's four pillars, and immigration activist Frank Sharry said that if Miller supports the compromise, it is unlikely to be backed by the immigration reform community on the left.
thehill.com

#30 | Posted by oneironaut at 2024-02-23 03:13 PM | Reply

@#28 ... False because there were two bills being proposed. ...

But he did signal he would not sign the bill that had the chance of passing. So, not false.

So he chose to do nothing, and keep it as a political issue, instead of getting a bill to sign that would have reduced the problem.

Thanks for the follow-ups.


#31 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-02-23 03:23 PM | Reply

@#30

The article your current alias cites from The Hill is quite interesting.

More from that article...

... White House senior adviser Stephen Miller told House conservatives in the Republican Study Committee at a Wednesday meeting that the Trump White House expects to support both immigration bills coming to the House floor next week.

Miller, a hardliner on immigration, reiterated the administration's support for House Judiciary Chairman Bob Goodlatte's (R-Va.) bill backed by immigration hardliners but said the White House would likely also back a second bill being crafted by leadership, a source inside the room told The Hill.

That second bill will include all four of the pillars that President Trump has demanded be a part of any immigration bill.

Miller was attempting to sell conservatives on the immigration compromise currently being crafted by the caucus, and indicated the White House likes where the process is headed. ...


#32 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-02-23 03:44 PM | Reply

Another view...

Paul Ryan Says Trump Is All In on Next Week's Immigration Votes (June 2018)
www.wral.com

... Speaker Paul D. Ryan told a closed-door meeting of House Republicans on Wednesday that his plan to bring two immigration bills up for a vote next week had the approval of President Donald Trump, who is enthusiastic about the effort, according to a person who attended the meeting.

Whether either bill can pass is very much in doubt.

Wednesday's gathering came less than 12 hours after Ryan's office announced that the House would consider immigration next week -- but not bipartisan bills aimed primarily at protecting young immigrants brought to the country illegally as children. Instead, lawmakers will consider a hard-line measure that emphasizes border security and a somewhat more moderate compromise measure, yet to be finalized, that still meets Trump's standards.

But the approval of an immigration hard-liner like Trump only underscored the growing sense that a rebellion by moderate Republicans seeking bipartisanship had utterly failed. It underscored the looming reality that the president has effectively acquired the last say over the actions of the Republican Congress.

Lawmakers attending the meeting said the compromise bill will be built around four principles -- Trump has called them the "four pillars" -- that the president has insisted any immigration bill contain: a path to citizenship for the young unauthorized children known as Dreamers; beefed-up border security, including $25 billion for the wall the president wants to build; an end to the current diversity visa lottery system, which is aimed at bringing in immigrants from underrepresented nations; and limits on family-based migration, known as chain migration.

Ryan told reporters that the "last thing I want to do is bring a bill out of here that I know the president won't support." ...

Democrats are furious that those measures will not come to a vote; the bipartisan bill was widely expected to pass the House with support from both parties. In a statement issued late Tuesday night, Rep. Michelle Lujan Grisham of New Mexico, the chairwoman of the Congressional Hispanic Caucus, lambasted the Republican leaders.

"Instead of standing courageously with a bipartisan group of 216 representatives, they cowered to the hyper-partisanship that has broken Congress and failed to deliver solutions to our nation's most pressing problems," she said. ...

[emphasis mine]


So, even back in 2018, the extremist Republicans blocked a supported bi-partisan attempt to solve the immigration problem.


#33 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-02-23 03:53 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#3 | Posted by LampLighter

H.R.2

Passed House (05/11/2023)

Secure the Border Act of 2023

This bill makes various changes to immigration law, including by imposing limits on asylum eligibility and requiring employers to use an electronic system to verify the employment eligibility of new employees.

DIVISION A--BORDER SECURITY

This division requires certain actions related to border security.

(Sec. 102) This section requires the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) to resume all activities related to constructing a wall along the U.S.-Mexico border that were underway or planned prior to January 20, 2021.

(Sec. 103) This section imposes additional requirements on DHS related to the construction of barriers along the U.S.-Mexico border. For example, the bill requires DHS to construct a border wall (including related infrastructure and technology) along at least 900 miles of that border, whereas currently DHS is required to have at least 700 miles of reinforced fencing along that border.

This section also requires DHS to waive all legal requirements necessary to ensure the expeditious construction of the border barriers, whereas currently DHS is authorized to waive such requirements.

(Sec. 104) This section requires U.S. Customs and Border Protection (CBP) to submit a strategic five-year technology investment plan to Congress.

(Sec. 105) This section imposes certain documentation and acquisition-related standards on major border security technology acquisitions, generally those that cost at least $100 million based on FY2023 constant dollars.

(Sec. 106) This section requires CBP to (1) ensure that each CBP officer or agent is equipped with a two-way communication device, (2) fully implement the Border Security Deployment Program (a border surveillance program), and (3) upgrade license plate readers as needed at ports of entry along the northern and southern
borders

www.congress.gov

Do tell, are you being intentionally obtuse...

#34 | Posted by Javelin at 2024-02-23 04:09 PM | Reply

Make it harder to get asylum?

How about just saying that not all illegal immigrants have a claim to asylum?

Asylum is intended to protect people who are being persecuted. Not provide a standard of living to people who want free stuff.

#35 | Posted by madbomber at 2024-02-23 04:20 PM | Reply

@#34 ... Do tell, are you being intentionally obtuse... ...

About what?

You replied to my #3 comment where I spoke of the current GOP and its actions (as shown by my use of the words "now" and "current"), not the GOP of prior years.

#36 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-02-23 04:38 PM | Reply

@#35 ... Make it harder to get asylum?

How about just saying that not all illegal immigrants have a claim to asylum? ...

Well, making it harder to get asylum is effectively saying that not all immigrants have a right to asylum.

... Asylum is intended to protect people who are being persecuted. ...

That's one aspect.

The current problem with asylum process is that the immigrants seem to be coached on exactly what to say so that they get granted entrance.

Then, once granted entrance, the huge backlog in asylum courts puts their appearance before the court years out.

The latter part of that problem is easier to solve than the former. Put into place more courts.

But, how do we get around the coaching that is done so that those seeking asylum know what to say?

What is suitable proof pf persecution?


#37 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-02-23 04:44 PM | Reply

"Well, making it harder to get asylum is effectively saying that not all immigrants have a right to asylum."

Why would all immigrants have a right to asylum? That's not the intent of asylum.

#38 | Posted by madbomber at 2024-02-23 05:22 PM | Reply

"The current problem with asylum process is that the immigrants seem to be coached on exactly what to say so that they get granted entrance."

That would be my guess, but I have nothing to substantiate it.

Think about this. A family of four (mom & dad + 2 kids) comes across the border seeking asylum. Under current rules, they could stay until the court hearing. Mom gets preggo and has another kid, who is automatically a US citizen as a function of jus soli. So, do the parents now have the right to stay in the US as legal residents? Do the kids who came across have the ability to stay as legal residents? Like taxes, when I as an amateur read the regs, I'm not totally sure. But you can see where it could be a problem if family members associated with a baby born in the US to asylum seekers could then claim status as legal residents, along with immediate family members.

#39 | Posted by madbomber at 2024-02-23 05:37 PM | Reply

"But, how do we get around the coaching that is done so that those seeking asylum know what to say?"

Is it hard?

Bosnian refugees who wound up near where I grew up in Idaho likely didn't need any coaching.

Who in central or South American nowadays would be subject to harsh or lethal treatment by the governments? Extremists?

Would we allow ISIS asylum in the US if Nicaragua was going to kill them? I would hope not.

#40 | Posted by madbomber at 2024-02-23 05:41 PM | Reply

@#38 ... Why would all immigrants have a right to asylum? ....

That's not what I meant.

Lemme try again with more of an explanation...

Well, making it harder to get asylum is effectively saying that not all immigrants have a right to asylum. So, the "test" given to immigrants when they apply for asylum needs to assure that those applying for asylum truly meet the requirements set for asylum seekers, effectively weeding out those who apply but do not qualify.

Better? :)

But that also shows the other point I raised in my comment, those coming to our border are coached about what to say to get past that first asylum-request hurdle. How do we resolve that problem?



#41 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-02-23 05:54 PM | Reply

@#39 ... That would be my guess, but I have nothing to substantiate it. ...

I've seen more recent articles about the coaching being done in Mexico, but this one sums it up well...

Twenty-Six Individuals, Including Six Lawyers, Charged In Manhattan Federal Court With Participating In Immigration Fraud Schemes Involving Hundreds Of Fraudulent Asylum Applications (2012)
www.justice.gov

... Manhattan U.S. Attorney Preet Bharara stated: "Our asylum laws exist to provide a safe haven in the United States to immigrants subject to persecution in their own countries for exercising freedoms fundamental to a democracy.

As alleged, these defendants, including six attorneys and a church employee, exploited those laws by weaving elaborate fictions on behalf of hundreds of would-be asylum seekers, coaching them on how to lie on their applications, stepping in when they went off script, and lying to immigration judges at court hearings. ...


#42 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-02-23 05:58 PM | Reply

@#39 ... Under current rules, they could stay until the court hearing. ...

Two aspects of that...

1) under current rules

and

2) stay until court hearing

I commented on both of those, and they both were addressed in the bi-partisan Senate bill that Spkr Johnson refuses to bring to the floor.

... Mom gets preggo and has another kid, who is automatically a US citizen as a function of jus soli. ...

Just like the Russian women who travel to Florida to have their babies so that the kids re US Citizens.

Mother Russia: South Florida sees a boom in birth tourism' (2019)
apnews.com

... Every year, hundreds of pregnant Russian women travel to the United States to give birth so that their child can acquire all the privileges of American citizenship.

They pay anywhere from $20,000 to sometimes more than $50,000 to brokers who arrange their travel documents, accommodations and hospital stays, often in Florida.

While the cost is high, their children will be rewarded with opportunities and travel advantages not available to their Russian countrymen. The parents themselves may benefit someday as well. ...


But I suspect that may be a different thread. :)


#43 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-02-23 06:04 PM | Reply

@#40 ... Bosnian refugees who wound up near where I grew up in Idaho likely didn't need any coaching. ...

Likely because they had good cause on why they were seeking asylum, and did not need coaching on what to make up.

Once again, I want only those who need asylum to get asylum. But the question I keep asking is, how do we determine those who need asylum so that the asylum system is not abused as it currently is?


Speaking of coaching...

When the questions are known, the coaching is easy. It is like the students in NYC whose parents have enough money to hire private "tutors" for their kids so that those kids can pass the exam for the NYC charter high schools, effectively locking out those kids who are smart enough but cannot compete with those who effectively know the answers ahead of time.

#44 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-02-23 06:12 PM | Reply

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