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...There has been a similar surprise for American moderates since the vicious, inhuman assault on Israel on Oct. 7 by Hamas. They have been shocked by the support for the Islamic extremists from Leftist academics and activists. How could ardently feminist supporters side with a culture that represses women? How could trans-rights activists back a society where any deviation from sexual or gender norms can result in death. What could the far left have in common with Islamists who seem to stand for everything they are against? Dig down and you'll see Islamists and radical leftists have a lot more in common than meets the eye.

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There has been a similar surprise for American moderates since the vicious, inhuman assault on Israel on Oct. 7 by Hamas. They have been shocked by the support for the Islamic extremists from Leftist academics and activists. How could ardently feminist supporters side with a culture that represses women? How could trans-rights activists back a society where any deviation from sexual or gender norms can result in death. What could the far left have in common with Islamists who seem to stand for everything they are against?

Dig down and you'll see Islamists and radical leftists have a lot more in common than meets the eye.

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The Left: "Bombing children and other innocent civilians is wrong."
The Right: "You love terrorists!"
The Left: "Ethnic Cleansing and Apartheid are wrong too."
The Right: "Terrorist lover!!!"

#1 | Posted by Sycophant at 2024-04-04 10:14 AM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 10

The article is an OpEd.

#2 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-04-04 10:22 AM | Reply

How the Right Fell in Love With War Crimes. FTFY

#3 | Posted by morris at 2024-04-04 10:43 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

More pink and purplewashing nonsense from the genocide-supporters.

#4 | Posted by pumpkinhead at 2024-04-04 10:46 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Judith Butler and the Normalization of Hamas and Hezbollah within Progressive Social Movements.

In 2006, during a UC Berkeley event, an audience member posed a question to Judith Butler regarding whether Hamas and Hezbollah posed a threat to Israel's existence. In response, she stated the following:

"Yes, understanding Hamas, Hezbollah as social movements that are progressive, that are on the Left, that are part of a global Left, is extremely important. That does not stop us from being critical of certain dimensions of both movements. It doesn't stop those of us who are interested in non-violent politics from raising the question of whether there are other options besides violence. So again, a critical, important engagement. I mean, I certainly think it should be entered into the conversation on the Left. I similarly think boycotts and divestment procedures are, again, an essential component of any resistance movement."

Seventeen years later, the impact of Butler's words has endured, finding widespread support for Hamas and Hezbollah in academia, becoming a litmus test within the realm of social justice advocacy.

isgap.org

#5 | Posted by madbomber at 2024-04-04 11:41 AM | Reply

...the vicious, inhuman assault on Israel on Oct. 7 by Hamas.

All brought about by Netanyahu's Open Borders policy. Allowing illegals to pour across the border and spread carnage and crime.

Had the Israel Defense Forces lived up to their name, the attack would have been stopped at the fence, as I'm sure Hamas was expecting. But it was the weekend or something.

#6 | Posted by REDIAL at 2024-04-04 12:11 PM | Reply

"Yes, understanding Hamas, Hezbollah as social movements that are progressive, that are on the Left, that are part of a global Left, is extremely important."

About those social movements:
Are schools and hospitals leftist?

#7 | Posted by snoofy at 2024-04-04 12:22 PM | Reply

"Hamas, Hezbollah as social movements that are progressive, that are on the Left"

Huh?!?

What progressive, leftist group has genocide of another group in their charter?

#8 | Posted by Danforth at 2024-04-04 12:24 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

Seeking to remove an active oppressor from an actively oppressed peoples' historic land is not genocide, as long as there are still those alive who remember a time when they were not oppressed.

That situation exists right now with Palestinians and the Israelis. There are Palestinians who are still alive that remember a time before the creation of Israel and that's why they can never be considered genocidal in seeking their oppressor's removal.

#9 | Posted by pumpkinhead at 2024-04-04 12:29 PM | Reply

The Left in the Western world has always tended to support underdogs.

But again, there are no good guys in this fight on the ground over there.

There's one here, but he's trying to referee a disaster.

#10 | Posted by Corky at 2024-04-04 12:38 PM | Reply

Feeble conservaturd minds can only embrace one side of any issue.

What both sides are doing in Gaza are wrong.

There are examples of both sides committing atrocities.

This is no different than what US forces did in Iraq on many occasions.

So should a president pardon US soldiers convicted of committing war crimes?

#11 | Posted by Nixon at 2024-04-04 12:47 PM | Reply

"How the Left Fell in Love With Militant Islam"

What can I say, they gave me candies on 9/11.

I don't make the rules.

#12 | Posted by snoofy at 2024-04-04 12:48 PM | Reply

"By more than 1,000 years, "Israel" predates "Palestine." The land then became home primarily to an Arab population, again for more than a millennium. Both Jews and Arabs thus have a legitimate claim to the land. The Israeli-Palestinian conflict has seen myriad wrongs and brutalities on both sides"

theconversation.com

from The history of Israel' and Palestine': Alternative names, competing claims
Published: July 6, 2021

#13 | Posted by Corky at 2024-04-04 12:56 PM | Reply

How the Left Fell in Love With Militant Islam

Personally, I think it's hilarious. Would be great to see how many leftists make "the cut" [Hah!] for Palestinians who love nothing more than gays, trans, apostates, atheists, and the other individuals the left welcomes into their rainbow coalition.

#14 | Posted by censored at 2024-04-04 01:02 PM | Reply | Funny: 3 | Newsworthy 1

In a December 2020 Wall Street Journal opinion piece, he suggested that Jill Biden stop using the academic title "Dr.," which she earned as a Doctor of Education, saying that it "feels fraudulent, not to say a touch comic."[3] The piece, which opens by addressing her as "Madame First Lady"Mrs. Biden"Jill"kiddo,"
en.wikipedia.org(writer)

#15 | Posted by snoofy at 2024-04-04 01:08 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"Israel and Israelis are not seen as an independent nation and a people striving to live and prosper but as an extension of European imperialism meant to repress the Arab population."

These things are not mutually exclusive.
The Founding Fathers led a people striving to live and prosper.
They were also standard bearers of European imperialism who enslaved sub-human Blacks.

#16 | Posted by snoofy at 2024-04-04 01:15 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

"Seeking to remove an active oppressor from an actively oppressed peoples' historic land is not genocide, as long as there are still those alive who remember a time when they were not oppressed."

What about defending your historic homeland against an active oppressor attempting to commit genocide against you?

#17 | Posted by madbomber at 2024-04-04 01:40 PM | Reply

"There are Palestinians who are still alive that remember a time before the creation of Israel and that's why they can never be considered genocidal in seeking their oppressor's removal."

Aren't you Austrian?

That's sounds very National Socialist of you.

I mean, I assume that the National Socialists felt that genocide via the final solution was a just cause.

Oh, and let's not forget that it was the Jews who ensured Germany's defeat during WWI, leading to a depressed and emasculated state.

#18 | Posted by madbomber at 2024-04-04 01:43 PM | Reply

If Militant Islam isn't turning your crank, you could always fall in love with this:

IDF chief apologizes as details emerge of strike that picked off Gaza aid cars one by one
www.timesofisrael.com

#19 | Posted by snoofy at 2024-04-04 02:02 PM | Reply

"What about defending your historic homeland against an active oppressor attempting to commit genocide against you?"

That's a two way street.

#20 | Posted by snoofy at 2024-04-04 02:03 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Aren't you Austrian? That's sounds very National Socialist of you. I mean, I assume that the National Socialists felt that genocide via the final solution was a just cause. Oh, and let's not forget that it was the Jews who ensured Germany's defeat during WWI, leading to a depressed and emasculated state. #18 | Posted by madbomber

Pumpkinhead is a literal proponent of Muslim jihad. A few of them on this site. Good to be reminded of the fate that awaits us once the TikTok generation starts calling the shots.

#21 | Posted by censored at 2024-04-04 02:03 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Islam is just as crap as Judaism. Religions are poison. Killing and starving children is where I draw the line. Israel out guns gaza and cannot pull all of the weeds out. It is impossible. If it is so easy, why did Israel pay hammas cash? Why did Israel give its spy agency weekends off?

#22 | Posted by Brennnn at 2024-04-04 02:04 PM | Reply

"I mean, I assume that the National Socialists felt that genocide via the final solution was a just cause."

Americans felt Manifest Destiny was a just cause.
Zionists feel Eretz Yisrael is a just cause.

#23 | Posted by snoofy at 2024-04-04 02:05 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"Killing and starving children is where I draw the line."

Hamas has been doing it for a very long time. They're still doing it today.

#24 | Posted by madbomber at 2024-04-04 02:06 PM | Reply

"Killing and starving children is where I draw the line."

We did that to the Natives in this country.

#25 | Posted by snoofy at 2024-04-04 02:08 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

National Socialists, Americans, Israelis.

Only one of those three were actively subject to attempted genocide.

Only one of those three offered peace, and were answered with more attempted genocide.

#26 | Posted by Danforth at 2024-04-04 02:20 PM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 1

"Only one of those three were actively subject to attempted genocide."

Tell it to the Founding Fathers, why dontcha.

He has excited domestic insurrections amongst us, and has endeavoured to bring on the inhabitants of our frontiers, the merciless Indian Savages, whose known rule of warfare, is an undistinguished destruction of all ages, sexes and conditions. www.archives.gov

#27 | Posted by snoofy at 2024-04-04 03:42 PM | Reply

Why be gentle with those who seek your destruction?

That cuts both ways.

Which is why most Colonial wars are so Savage.

The Usurpers almost always win; unless the indigenous inhabitants are very numerous and fight back without stopping in the face of intimidating losses.

Palestine fits the pattern of a group that could over time prevail at least enough to survive.

Israel is getting most of it's major resources from the US so they are not a typical case. But this makes them vulnerable too.

US Meddling is at work here again.

It just increases the Misery.

#28 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2024-04-04 05:03 PM | Reply

Religions are poison.

And that is where is all originates.

Religion was the cause of the crusades

Religion was the cause of 9/11

Religion was the cause of the murders of Dr. Tiller and Dr. Slepian.

Religion was the cause of Hamas attack in October.

Religion was the cause of Pulse night club.

Religion is the cause of every LGBTQ person who commits suicide after forced reversion therapy.

Religion is a cancer.

#29 | Posted by Nixon at 2024-04-04 05:35 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Religion caused the Big Bang.

#30 | Posted by sentinel at 2024-04-04 06:13 PM | Reply

Positive and Negative Effects of Religion

medium.com

#31 | Posted by Corky at 2024-04-04 06:27 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Being against bombing and starving children to death is somehow bad?

#32 | Posted by truthhurts at 2024-04-04 06:58 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"Palestine fits the pattern of a group that could over time prevail at least enough to survive."

Palestinians get on the road to survival when they collectively decide that the destruction of Israel is not worth the cost to Palestinians. Right now, it seems as though there are more than a few who feel like the destruction of Israel is the number one priority. Polling shows that Palestinians overwhelmingly support the terrorist acts committed on 10/7.

#33 | Posted by madbomber at 2024-04-05 01:20 AM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 1

"Being against bombing and starving children to death is somehow bad?"

You seem to be laying all the blame on Israel, as though they just one day decided to go bombing for no good reason.

Hamas has stolen aid shipments for years. Hamas has been starving the Palestinians for years. But...crickets. It's Israel's fault.

It's like Somalia in the early 1990s. There wasn't a lack of aid coming in, it was just all stolen by the militia so they could leverage influence over the population.

And I can't recall the exact number, but there have been tens of thousands of rocket attacks against Israeli cities from within Gaza. Did you ever take the time to protest that?

#34 | Posted by madbomber at 2024-04-05 01:24 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Religion caused the Big Bang. #30 | POSTED BY SENTINEL

Mary said no banging occurred, to speak of...

#35 | Posted by censored at 2024-04-05 02:35 AM | Reply

"Hamas has stolen aid shipments for years. Hamas has been starving the Palestinians for years. But...crickets. It's Israel's fault."

Indeed. You can see why Netanyahu is such a zealous supporter of Hamas. Their regime of terror prevents the emergence of a legitimate Palestinian state.

#36 | Posted by snoofy at 2024-04-05 10:09 AM | Reply

"Hamas has stolen aid shipments for years. Hamas has been starving the Palestinians for years"

If that were true, you'd have three multi-billionaires, a very poor populace, a minimal amount of pre 10/7 infrastructure, and an economy aimed toward bombs rather than buildings.

Oh...

...wait.

#37 | Posted by Danforth at 2024-04-05 12:14 PM | Reply

"You can see why Netanyahu is such a zealous supporter of Hamas."

Because he didn't block what was pretended to be humanitarian aid?!?

Hardly "zealous support".

BTW, I know for a fact AT LEAST seven dollars went to feeding starving Gazans.

#38 | Posted by Danforth at 2024-04-05 12:16 PM | Reply

"Being against bombing and starving children to death is somehow bad?"
You seem to be laying all the blame on Israel, as though they just one day decided to go bombing for no good reason.
Hamas has stolen aid shipments for years. Hamas has been starving the Palestinians for years. But...crickets. It's Israel's fault.
It's like Somalia in the early 1990s. There wasn't a lack of aid coming in, it was just all stolen by the militia so they could leverage influence over the population.
And I can't recall the exact number, but there have been tens of thousands of rocket attacks against Israeli cities from within Gaza. Did you ever take the time to protest that?

#34 | POSTED BY MADBOMBER A

So....you're.... Pro-bombing and starving children?

Question for you, are Israel's current actions making things better for Israelis in the long run?

#39 | Posted by truthhurts at 2024-04-05 12:17 PM | Reply

Pro-bombing and starving children?
- truth

What side isn't?

The only hope, for minimal casualties, is one side is allowed to finish.

Question for you, are Israel's current actions making things better for Israelis in the long run?
- truth

Only if allowed unfettered destruction of Hamas.

#40 | Posted by oneironaut at 2024-04-05 12:36 PM | Reply

"Because he didn't block what was pretended to be humanitarian aid"

Prior to Oct 7, Netanyahu actually said he was letting aid into Gaza because he was controlling where the aid was going.

You should try listening to Netanyhu. You clearly haven't tried that.

#41 | Posted by snoofy at 2024-04-05 12:41 PM | Reply

"If that were true, you'd have three multi-billionaires, a very poor populace, a minimal amount of pre 10/7 infrastructure, and an economy aimed toward bombs rather than buildings."

What a coincidence that this dovetails flawlessly with Netanyahu's goal of preventing any Palestinian State from ever being born.

Oh...
...wait.

#42 | Posted by snoofy at 2024-04-05 12:45 PM | Reply

---- like this is just pure stupid.

#43 | Posted by Angrydad at 2024-04-05 12:46 PM | Reply

Only if allowed unfettered destruction of Hamas.

#40 | POSTED BY ONEIRONAUT

And what does that look like?

All buildings in Palestine destroyed?

All people dead?

How to completely destroy Hamas?

#44 | Posted by Sycophant at 2024-04-05 01:18 PM | Reply

"Prior to Oct 7, Netanyahu actually said he was letting aid into Gaza because he was controlling where the aid was going."

Nuttyahoo wasn't the one who chose guns over butter. FFS, more was spent on infrastructure UNDERGROUND than above.

Because the one thing a poor civilization needs is a train between underground bomb-making facilities.

#45 | Posted by Danforth at 2024-04-05 01:23 PM | Reply

"You should try listening to Netanyhu."

Netanyhu is a war criminal, and should be tried as such.

#46 | Posted by Danforth at 2024-04-05 01:25 PM | Reply

Question for you, are Israel's current actions making things better for Israelis in the long run? #39 | Posted by truthhurts

Sure! Israel is taking Gaza, since Egypt didn't want to take responsibility for that mess.

The sooner Israel annexes that land, the sooner the Palestinians will be out that particular avenue to launch their terrorist attacks.

#47 | Posted by censored at 2024-04-05 04:28 PM | Reply

Nuttyahoo wasn't the one who chose guns over butter. FFS, more was spent on infrastructure UNDERGROUND than above.
Because the one thing a poor civilization needs is a train between underground bomb-making facilities.

#45 | POSTED BY DANFORTH

Palestine can't choose what to spend on infrastructure above ground. Israel controls what they can build. It controls cement and pipes and what Palestine gets to build above ground.

After all this time, how do you not know this?

#48 | Posted by Sycophant at 2024-04-06 10:52 AM | Reply

The sooner Israel annexes that land, the sooner the Palestinians will be out that particular avenue to launch their terrorist attacks.

#47 | POSTED BY CENSORED

At least you admit you are pro-Ethnic Cleansing.

We probably wouldn't be here if it weren't for Israeli Apartheid, land seizures, and daily seizures/murders of innocent Palestinians even prior to October 7.

#49 | Posted by Sycophant at 2024-04-06 10:53 AM | Reply

At least you admit you are pro-Ethnic Cleansing
- psyhcophant

That's not what annex means.

But since you bring it up, only one side are proEthinc cleansing.

Is it the Democracy or the Theocracy?

#50 | Posted by oneironaut at 2024-04-06 11:18 AM | Reply

"Palestine can't choose what to spend on infrastructure above ground. Israel controls what they can build. It controls cement and pipes and what Palestine gets to build above ground."

Yeah.

I'm sure Hamas put in applications for all the tunnels and bunkers they installed in gaza.

#51 | Posted by madbomber at 2024-04-06 11:37 AM | Reply

Palestinians, like Germans in WWII, need to be taught that their support for genocide and ethnic cleansing will hurt them more than help them.

#52 | Posted by madbomber at 2024-04-06 11:39 AM | Reply

Why don't Zionists need to learn that?
5,000 years of history taught them the opposite!
They needed a Homeland so they ethnically cleansed one with help from Britain and the West.

#53 | Posted by snoofy at 2024-04-06 05:50 PM | Reply

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