"The secretary of state of the United States of America is threatening to starve the entire world over this."

He's going to steal all the world's food?

"Without the Western world, and all of its money, Israel is nothing. It's fake. A true paper tiger."

It crushed the Arab armies in 1948.

Most of where the region is at right now is because the Palestinians and their supporters expected the Jews to be quickly eliminated.

But as it turns out, it was the Arab armies that were the paper tigers. In 1948. In 1967. And in 1973.

After the last war, I think they learned their lesson.

"Ethno states will work, for a little while."

Then you'd have to admit that a Palestinian State would be doomed to failure, barring some massive change in the character of Palestinians.

"Why isn't NATO Bombing Israel?"

Maybe for the same reason they are not bombing Palestine?

Maybe?

"Strange bedfellows, snoofy shows the irony of nutty supposedly supporting Hamas, yet he does the same."

I think Snoofy would tell you they don't support the Islamic Resistance...they just supports their goals.

It's a common position with extremists.

"Hamas is the Zionist Frankenstein's monster."

Yeah.

They seem to be more the Frankenstein of the progressive left, especially in the US.

I don't think most leftists agree with what the Islamic Resistance is doing...they just don't want to upset the narrative by laying the blame for this whole mess on anyone other than Israel.

"They could act like human beings to the Palestinians."

And the Palestinians?

Are they just animals? Another strain of the ISIS virus?

"They could refrain from expanding settlements. Instead they expand them constantly."

Except for in Gaza, where they dismantled all the settlements and pulled out the military. We know what that got them.

"They could respect Islamic holy sites. They defile them instead."

They do? Like the way Islamists destroyed non-Islamic holy sites across the region? You may need to provide an example or two.

"That's why they are being charged with Genocide and Extermination by the ICC. Oh that, and the fact, they are using Starvation as a form of collective punishment and a weapon of war."

The Islamic Resistance is being charged the same, and they're far more guilty of using starvation than the Israels are. They were doing it before the war started.

"What about Islamists" isn't a defense of Israel."

Maybe you can provide the examples Effete was referencing, where Israelis "defiled" Islamic holy sites.

If you'd like, I'd be more than happy to provide examples of Muslims defiling non-Muslim holy sites, specifically because they were considered an insult to Islam.

"okay, cue all the pro-Israeli arguments how Hezbollah and the Palestinians brought this all upon themselves"

Hezboallah?

The Lebanese branch of the Muslim Brotherhood?

Did you mean Hamas? They're the Palestinian branch of the Muslim Brotherhood. The group that was duly elected to govern Gaza.

"The facts are that the Arab Moslem states attacked Israel in 1973 and lost their war of extermination."

...that was just the last time the Arabs attacked Israel. There were also two major wars before that. The Arabs got their asses kicked then too.

Having said that, Islam has only come to prominence in the last three decades or so, as a result of the failure of pan-Arab socialism. The term "From the River to the Sea" in the original Arabic translation is "From water to water is Arab territory." Since there isn't much divergence in haplogroups between the Palestinians and the Israelis, that may mean Arab=Islam. I don't know. What I do know is that many of the early anti-Israeli groups were led by Arab Christians.

It may be two separate schools of thought. Muslims do not want what they consider holy sites "defiled" by the presence of the Kafir. That's a given. Certainly, some Palestinians feel this way as well, but likely not all of them.

"In Hebrew it's called Eretz Yisrael and it extends beyond the River Jordan, and north into Lebanon and Syria."

If that is a goal, it's one Israel has chosen not to pursue...unlike their neighbors.

"It was nice for Netanyahu to support Hamas?"

Aren't you one of those who is demanding they play nice with Hamas now?

You seem to be suggesting that they should have started this campaign several decades ago.

"During the Nakba in 1948, approximately half of Palestine's predominantly Arab population, or around 750,000 people,[6] were expelled from their homes or made to flee, at first by Zionist paramilitaries through various violent means, and after the establishment of the State of Israel, by the Israel Defense Forces."

They were encouraged to flee by Palestinian leaders. The thought was that without British support, the Jews would be easily eliminated by the Arab armies.

The Israelis tried to get the Palestinians to stay. They chose not to.

"You're aware that Israel has seized and occupied territory and still squats there, yes?"

You mean the Golan Heights? The high ground the Syrians used to launch their assault on Israel in 1967?

Not sure you're aware, but after the 1967 war, Israel captured the entire Sinai Peninsula, effectively doubling the size of Israel, and maybe getting one step closer to achieving Snoofy's "Eretz Yisrael."

They returned the territory to Egypt in 1979.

"They seek complete erasure of their existence."

Yeah.

If they wanted to, Israel could do this in weeks. And they could have done it at any time over the past 50 years.

Nothing you say is even remotely grounded in reality.