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Thursday, July 25, 2024

"There is some question about whether or not it was a bullet or shrapnel that hit his ear," FBI Director Christopher Wray said Wednesday.

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I'm not full convinced the man was hurt at all.

Trump lies about EVERYTHING, and his career in public fraud is well-documented.

#1 | Posted by Zed at 2024-07-25 09:37 AM | Reply

Was there anything that happened during that alleged assassination attempt that could not have been managed by a competent stage magician?

#2 | Posted by Zed at 2024-07-25 09:51 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

So the convicted felon who had to wear a tampon on his head the entire convention, then shows up for a tv interview and there is not a trace of the boo boo on his fat head let alone a 2 cm hole like Dr Ronny Johnson lied about.

It's a miracle. Better call up the vatican.

#3 | Posted by Nixon at 2024-07-25 10:42 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

#2
Deciding who was gonna catch a bullet fer real?

#4 | Posted by Wardog at 2024-07-25 10:42 AM | Reply

Well, well, well, another magic bullet.

You ever notice when politicians wanna lie, they never consult physicists or engineers to help construct the lie?

A technical guy would have told them that if a fragment of anything had hit the ear, that fragment would not have dissolved into atoms like 2 of the 3 911 planes.

But, to politicians, a bullet can stop, change direction and velocity and then take off again. Matter can dissolve. Thermite can appear out of nowhere, for no reason. Brain matter in a corpse can disappear in the enclosed space of AF1.

And why is that? Because Americans are effing stupid.

#5 | Posted by kudzu at 2024-07-25 10:49 AM | Reply

There were 4 9/11 planes.

#6 | Posted by LegallyYourDead at 2024-07-25 11:14 AM | Reply

#2
Deciding who was gonna catch a bullet fer real?

#4 | POSTED BY WARDOG

I can't believe that the Trump camp has even the concept of "innocent bystander".

As long as El Jefe was alive and able to fist-pump, a dead civilian is unimportant.

#7 | Posted by Zed at 2024-07-25 11:21 AM | Reply

lol... I said right after it happened that even if it turned out to be shrapnel, Trump would claim to his dying day that it had been a bullet.

And that it was a, 'miracle from God' he wasn't killed.

Given that, it must be that the shrapnel hitting him was God's Fault, too.

#8 | Posted by Corky at 2024-07-25 12:31 PM | Reply

Gods Holy Shrapnel.

If the bullet(s) were steered by GOD no reason He couldn't also steer the shrapnel.

#9 | Posted by donnerboy at 2024-07-25 12:36 PM | Reply

Ivana Trump suffered a far more serious injury when she was raped and partially scalped by the bloated orange pedo.

#10 | Posted by reinheitsgebot at 2024-07-25 08:28 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

@#8 ... I said right after it happened that even if it turned out to be shrapnel, Trump would claim to his dying day that it had been a bullet. ...

Bullet? Shrapnel?

WTF is the difference.

A fmr President and the Republican nominee for President was shot at.

Fortunately, the assailant failed.

I really don't see the relevance of the "bullet or shrapnel" question in the overall light of what happened.

A fmr President and the Republican candidate was shot at, and the Secret Service blew it.

.

#11 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-07-25 09:14 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Jesus offing Christ, Zed. Is it possible for you to be a bigger ghoul? A good man is dead. 2 others were critically wounded. The entire incident ranks up there as the biggest eff up in secret service history and you are calling it a stage act?

What in the hell is wrong with you?

#12 | Posted by BellRinger at 2024-07-25 10:47 PM | Reply

The entire incident ranks up there as the biggest eff up in secret service history

Still behind JFK by a long shot.

#13 | Posted by REDIAL at 2024-07-25 10:54 PM | Reply

#12

You're a ------- retarded -----. ---- off, you little ------.

#14 | Posted by LegallyYourDead at 2024-07-25 11:05 PM | Reply

@#13 ... Still behind JFK by a long shot. ...

Yup.

And I remember that day. After school, my friend and I were walking the mile home from school where the bus dropped us off. We decided to stop in a local soda shop for a soda, and on the radio I first learned about the JFK assassination attempt. At the time he was not yet declared dead.

But, yeah, I will say that the Secret Service screwed up with this recent event.

But let me ask a different question...

Let's suppose that Fmr Pres Trump is the President. And a similar attack occurred with one of fmr Pres Trump's political enemies.

Would the Secret Service Director need to resign, or would they be rewarded?


Given fmr Pres Trump's apparent need for unfettered adulation, that seems to be a valid question for those who think fmr Pres trump might be an appropriate leader for the Country

#15 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-07-25 11:16 PM | Reply

Maybe if someone other than the drunk drug-pusher and already-known Trump sycophant Ronny Jackson was doing the "examination." He can't be trusted AT ALL to be impartial or even close to neutral. The man is sort of a criminal himself.

#16 | Posted by e1g1 at 2024-07-25 11:38 PM | Reply

Really easy solution to that. Just need those medical records!

#17 | Posted by chuffy at 2024-07-25 11:53 PM | Reply

#3 | POSTED BY NIXON

I noticed that, too. I expected to at least see a little notch in his ear but there was nothing. Not even a little scratch or a scab.

I don't doubt that a bullet was aimed in the general direction of Trump. My question is, where did it end up? I haven't heard a peep about any bullet being recovered for forensic analysis ~ which would be normal investigative protocol.

Therefore, I'm leaning more toward the shrapnel theory. A little sliver perhaps of the shield he stands behind.

#18 | Posted by Twinpac at 2024-07-25 11:56 PM | Reply

@#17 ... Really easy solution to that. Just need those medical records! ...

Funny thing about that....

President Biden's Current Health Summary 2024
www.whitehouse.gov

Trump has given no official info about his medical care
apnews.com

Trump doctor Harold Bornstein says bodyguard, lawyer 'raided' his office, took medical files (2018)
www.nbcnews.com

... In February 2017, a top White House aide who was Trump's longtime personal bodyguard, along with the top lawyer at the Trump Organization and a third man, showed up at the office of Trump's New York doctor without notice and took all the president's medical records.

The incident, which Dr. Harold Bornstein described as a "raid," took place two days after Bornstein told a newspaper that he had prescribed a hair growth medicine for the president for years.

In an exclusive interview in his Park Avenue office, Bornstein told NBC News that he felt "raped, frightened and sad" when Keith Schiller and another "large man" came to his office to collect the president's records on the morning of Feb. 3, 2017. At the time, Schiller, who had long worked as Trump's bodyguard, was serving as director of Oval Office operations at the White House.

"They must have been here for 25 or 30 minutes. It created a lot of chaos," said Bornstein, who described the incident as frightening.

A framed 8-by-10 photo of Bornstein and Trump that had been hanging on the wall in the waiting room now lies flat under a stack of papers on the top shelf of Bornstein's bookshelf. Bornstein said the men asked him to take it off the wall.

Bornstein said he was not given a form authorizing the release of the records and signed by the president known as a HIPAA release " which is a violation of patient privacy law. A person familiar with the matter said there was a letter to Bornstein from then-White House doctor Ronny Jackson, but didn't know if there was a release form attached. ...


#19 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-07-26 12:02 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

It is disturbing that the Director of the FBI has no idea what schrapnel is.

#20 | Posted by Miranda7 at 2024-07-26 12:38 AM | Reply

@#20 ... It is disturbing that the Director of the FBI has no idea what schrapnel is. ...

At this point, I would not go that far.

But I do ask why you think that.

thx.

#21 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-07-26 12:45 AM | Reply

At this point, I would not go that far.

It's just semantic pedantry. Shrapnel comes from a bomb or exploding shell. That obviously did not happen.

#22 | Posted by REDIAL at 2024-07-26 12:51 AM | Reply

Twin, I don't know what hit Trumps ear, but it wasn't shrapnel. The fact that Wray even used that particular word calls into question his ability to lead this investigation, or speak to the facts.

It is readily evident that Crooks fired 8 shots. If they haven't found 8 bullets, they need to keep looking. That scene should have remained secured until every bullet is found, every trajectory mapped, the entire scene reconstructed. You don't release the scene until every question has been answered, because sometimes, as witnesses are interviewed and facts trickle in, you find the need to return to re-examine the scene.

I have held homicide scenes for weeks on run of the mill murder cases. I was stunned to see that the scene has already been cleaned up and apparently opened to the public. Maybe those FBI evidence crews are really really fast, and they HAVE all those answers already,

#23 | Posted by Miranda7 at 2024-07-26 01:12 AM | Reply

Twin, I don't know what hit Trumps ear, but it wasn't shrapnel.

I agree. What hit the 4 police officers that were injured in the event? Has anyone said?

#24 | Posted by REDIAL at 2024-07-26 01:15 AM | Reply

@#23 ... If they haven't found 8 bullets, they need to keep looking. ...

That is one aspect of this shooting that I have yet to come to grip with.

No bullets have been reported as recovered. Not a one.

For me, that is odd in this type of situation.

#25 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-07-26 01:27 AM | Reply

For me, that is odd in this type of situation.

Not every bullet will be recoverable. A 5.56 that hits something solid (concrete floor/wall) is just going to disintegrate. They should still be able to find the impact point.

As I pointed out before, Hinkley fired six shots at Reagan and missed with every one of them. They still found out where they all went. Granted, lighter weapon and shorter range, but still.

#26 | Posted by REDIAL at 2024-07-26 01:47 AM | Reply

@#26 ... A 5.56 that hits something solid (concrete floor/wall) is just going to disintegrate. ...

Was there such a concrete wall/floor present on the site?

imo, more information is needed.

#27 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-07-26 01:53 AM | Reply

I certainly hope they HAVE found them all and are just keeping that info close to the vest. The FBI has never been known for transparency, But when I saw a pic of an FBI agent with a garden hose finding off the rooftop where Crooks fired from less than 48 hours later, I had to wonder why. Seemed a bit too soon to have completed the forensic investigation. That roof would be loaded with evidence, shoePrints, fingerprints, gunshot residue, blood spatter, etc.

#28 | Posted by Miranda7 at 2024-07-26 01:59 AM | Reply

imo, more information is needed.

I agree. I'd be interested in the bullet configuration. And what hit those four other guys.

#29 | Posted by REDIAL at 2024-07-26 02:00 AM | Reply

Typo, he was RINSING off the roof. To be clear, I'm not suggesting any sort of coverup or conspiracy, just seems less thorough than I would expect from the FBI.

#30 | Posted by Miranda7 at 2024-07-26 02:02 AM | Reply

That roof would be loaded with evidence, shoePrints, fingerprints, gunshot residue, blood spatter, etc.

Not my skill set, but would there be a lot of value in that sort of thing in an incident like this?

#31 | Posted by REDIAL at 2024-07-26 02:10 AM | Reply

@#28 ... I certainly hope they HAVE found them all and are just keeping that info close to the vest. The FBI has never been known for transparency, ...

While I may not yet agree with the "The FBI has never been known for transparency" aspect, I will agree with something along the lines that the FBI has currently determined that now may not be the time to go public with information in an ongoing investigatio


#32 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-07-26 02:16 AM | Reply

@#28 ... That roof would be loaded with evidence, shoePrints, fingerprints, gunshot residue, blood spatter, etc. ...

Yeah, shoeprints, gunshot residue. I agree.

But fingerprints? And blood spatter?

Why?

#33 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-07-26 02:18 AM | Reply

Redial, there were three other people shot and none of them were cops.

As to the value of evidence on the roof, obviously, it will not be needed for prosecution, but it will used to reconstruct the shooters movements and exact position, and whether anyone else had been on the roof. Did he get up on the roof earlier in the day, or did he get on other roofs prior? Were law enforcement personnel on the roof at any time? Any sign of a potential accomplice?

Anyone who got on that roof will have their shoes photographed for comparison purposes, and touchable surfaces (ladders, etc) will be fingerprinted.

#34 | Posted by Miranda7 at 2024-07-26 02:23 AM | Reply

@#33 ... And blood spatter? ...

Oops, I forgot he was shot by the Secret Service.

So blood splatter is a thing.

Apologies for that aspect of my question.


#35 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-07-26 02:26 AM | Reply

#33 WHY is to facilitate a complete reconstruction of events to the finest detail, leaving no questions unanswered. That is needed for a criminal prosecution., because the defense will try to drive a truck through the smallest hole. In this case, there is no prosecution, but it is a case that will be high,y scrutinized for decades. Every question must be answered, every possible conspiracy theory addressed.

#36 | Posted by Miranda7 at 2024-07-26 02:30 AM | Reply

but it is a case that will be high,y scrutinized for decades.

I doubt it. The guy missed. Security people will scrutinise how this loser got that close, but that doesn't require fingerprints and blood splatter.

This is not going to become a folklore legend thing. It's already out of the news other than trivia.

#37 | Posted by REDIAL at 2024-07-26 02:37 AM | Reply

Blood spatter analysis is helpful to determine things like body position, details like bent limbs, fingers, etc. of course, there is video, but always good to have corroborating evidence. I worked a case where we were able to prove it was NOT self defense because blood spatter on eyelids proved the victim was laying down on his side and likely asleep.

#38 | Posted by Miranda7 at 2024-07-26 02:39 AM | Reply

Redial, there were three other people shot and none of them were cops.

Were there not 4 officers lightly injured like Lewzer on the stage? I though I read that in the beginning. Motorcycle escorts, perhaps?

#39 | Posted by REDIAL at 2024-07-26 02:40 AM | Reply

It doesn't REQUIRE fingerprints and blood spatter, but a thorough reconstruction will cover those bases anyway. We do that in far less significant cases.

#40 | Posted by Miranda7 at 2024-07-26 02:41 AM | Reply

@#36 ... WHY is to facilitate a complete reconstruction of events to the finest detail, leaving no questions unanswered. That is needed for a criminal prosecution., ...

Oh, I agree 100%. I've no issues in that respect.

... In this case, there is no prosecution, ...

Because the apparent perp is dead? Yeah, I'd agree.

... but it is a case that will be high,y scrutinized for decades. Every question must be answered, every possible conspiracy theory addressed. ...

Again, I do not disagree, indeed, quite the opposite, I agree 100%.

Evidence is key.

Still I have to wonder, why have not any bullets been reported as being found?

Does that fall under the umbrella of "an ongoing investigation" where the publication of information is curtailed?


#41 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-07-26 02:43 AM | Reply

I found this:

11 Investigates has learned exclusively that two Pittsburgh police motorcycle officers who were injured during the shooting at former President Donald Trump's rally over the weekend have been removed from the cycle unit. Sources told 11 Investigates that the Pennsylvania State Police requested Pittsburgh motorcycle officers to assist with former President Trump's motorcade Saturday night from the airport in Allegheny County to Butler County and back again. Pittsburgh sent 10 officers. Four of them, as we exclusively reported Sunday afternoon, were hit by shrapnel when a gunman opened fire at the rally, killing one man, and wounding Trump and several others. The Pittsburgh motorcycle officers suffered only minor injuries and were treated at the scene.
One later went to the hospital.
www.yahoo.com

#42 | Posted by REDIAL at 2024-07-26 02:52 AM | Reply

@#40 ...It doesn't REQUIRE fingerprints and blood spatter, but a thorough reconstruction will cover those bases anyway. We do that in far less significant cases. ...

fwiw, many thank-yous for your contribution to this thread (and other threads).

Please do not think of the questions I pose as critical of the opinions you proffer. Quite the contrary, I am just trying to learn from your experience and knowledge.

Thanks for being patient in helping me to understand things I do not understand.


I'd offer in return to explain the ins and outs of how Maxwell's equations explain why radio station work, but there are two issues there...

1) I doubt if you would want to sit through that exercise.

and

2) I've been away from that for so long, that I am not sure I could properly explain it now.

:)


#43 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-07-26 02:53 AM | Reply

Trump was never struck by anything. It was a staged event.

He's walking around with a bandaid on his ear. Like he nicked when he was buzzing his hair.

Condolence to the people who were killed in order for Trump to stage a photo shoot.

Trump and his campaign staff should be on trial for murder.

#44 | Posted by ClownShack at 2024-07-26 04:11 AM | Reply

Well thank you. I failed E&Mtwice,so Maxwells equations might traumatize me. I also failed the HAM test because I couldn't get Morse code down, so yes, I have an appreciation for all things radio.

Along those lines, iin my DC days, we had analog radios and could not communicate with other LEO agencies. I had assumed that in current day, the Secret Service would have digital radios that could be easily tuned to match Pennsylvania officers radios. I learned yesterday that was NOT the case, Local police had to radio their dispatcher, who was in a command center with USSS dispatcher, who would then relay to agents. Just like in the old days, and.that lag may have allowed the shots to be fired,

So my question to you, is the technology currently there for federal agents to have radios capable of that? Allowing them to clone local channels?

#45 | Posted by Miranda7 at 2024-07-26 04:17 AM | Reply

@#45 ... I had assumed that in current day, the Secret Service would have digital radios that could be easily tuned to match Pennsylvania officers radios. ..

Digital radios = the ability to scramble.

Back three or four decades ago, I used to listen to local police and fire departments on my scanner (Icom IC-R7000) but of late, many (most? nearly all?) of those communications are digitally scrambled. That scanner, while an awesome receiver in its day, is all but useless now.

But to your point, the Secret Service should be able to monitor the digital encrypted comms of the local law enforcement because I would think that the decrypting codes would be told to the Secret Service.

Of course, I readily admit, that is a big assumption.

... E&M ...

Yeah, an Electromagnetic Fields and Forces course is not for everyone.

I mean, as you know, this is the starting point...

Maxwell's equations
en.wikipedia.org

... Maxwell's equations, or Maxwell"Heaviside equations, are a set of coupled partial differential equations that, together with the Lorentz force law, form the foundation of classical electromagnetism, classical optics, electric and magnetic circuits.

The equations provide a mathematical model for electric, optical, and radio technologies, such as power generation, electric motors, wireless communication, lenses, radar, etc. They describe how electric and magnetic fields are generated by charges, currents, and changes of the fields.[note 1]

The equations are named after the physicist and mathematician James Clerk Maxwell, who, in 1861 and 1862, published an early form of the equations that included the Lorentz force law. Maxwell first used the equations to propose that light is an electromagnetic phenomenon. The modern form of the equations in their most common formulation is credited to Oliver Heaviside.[1] ...




#46 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-07-26 04:48 AM | Reply

LAMPLIGHTER:

Things may have changed, but the USSS detail ("Diamond formation") immediately around the "Package" and the secondary formation ("the Box") around the "Diamond" are only hearing internal USSS instructions. The USSS CP would be monitoring and interfacing with outside agencies, like the Butler PD or Pennsylvania State Police. Otherwise, the USSS S/As would be receiving clatter-chatter-blather through their ear-pieces while trying to guard the ex-POTUS.

#47 | Posted by C0RI0LANUS at 2024-07-26 05:30 AM | Reply

Jesus offing Christ, Zed. Is it possible for you to be a bigger ghoul? A good man is dead. 2 others were critically wounded. The entire incident ranks up there as the biggest eff up in secret service history and you are calling it a stage act?

#12 | Posted by BellRinger

1) It's fun to pay you people back in your own coin, conspiracy theories. How does it feel?

2) It should be pointed out that Donald Trump DOES participate in conspiracies. Big ones, and often.

3) Trump doesn't care that "a good man is dead", as evidenced by ignoring the dead man's widow and family.

4) Trump has systematically eroded the buffers that helped protect political actors from violence. Hell, he's used violence and threats of violence for years for personal advantage and emotional satisfaction.

5) Anent to 4), he is reaping what he sowed.

#48 | Posted by Zed at 2024-07-26 07:39 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Trump wants the presidency to avoid jail and to bandage his always pustulant ego.

He also wants it to ENFORCE respect of himself. Which, because he is floridly mentally ill, he'll do by any means necessary.

If Trump does not win in November, he'll melt to the status of George W. Bush.

I'd like to remind everyone that it was not that long ago that what is now MAGA treated good old W. like a god.

Now they can't be bothered.

There may come a time when the stench of urine atop Trump's grave keeps the curious far away.

After his dead body is returned from Russia.

#49 | Posted by Zed at 2024-07-26 08:00 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

It's just semantic pedantry. Shrapnel comes from a bomb or exploding shell. That obviously did not happen.

#22 | POSTED BY REDIAL AT 2024-07-26 12:51 AM | FLAG:

Semantic pedantry time? Shrapnel is a specific type of artillery shell, invented by Major General Henry Shrapnel (cue up Gilbert & Sullivan's Modern Major General). What shrapnel expels on explosion are called bullets or shot.

Because it's so effective at killing, over time the word evolved to mean fragments scattered by an exploding shell, bomb, or mine, and then continued to evolve colloquially to describe any type of high speed debris in a violent incident.

#50 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2024-07-26 08:49 AM | Reply

You're also seeing in this thread the wave of Russian disinfo pouring into Democrats. Trump's first public appearance after the attack was the RNC, but there's stills going around of him golfing unbandaged claiming it's from an interview a day or two after the attack. It's an old photo presented as new. Disinfo specialists are having to work overtime between this and Ukraine.

#51 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2024-07-26 08:52 AM | Reply

Snopes: Hit with a Bullet: Glass from Teleprompter Did Not Injure Trump

Skepticism over the notion that Trump had actually been hit by a bullet was fueled by anonymously sourced reports that he was "not struck by a bullet, but hit by glass fragments" from a teleprompter that had been hit by a bullet. Reporters from both Newsmax and Axios reported on a source making this claim, which was then amplified by other outlets including Raw Story. Some went so far as to call the purported disclosure evidence of a "stunt." The theory that glass from a teleprompter caused Trump's wound requires a broken teleprompter. There is no evidence to support the notion that either of the teleprompters at the rally was broken at any point during or after the attempted assassination.

#52 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2024-07-26 09:16 AM | Reply

"Snopes: Hit with a Bullet: Glass from Teleprompter Did Not Injure Trump"

For me it wasn't the teleprompter story that made me question if Trump had been hit by a bullet. It was this story from Pittsburgh's WPIX, which claimed police officers near Trump were hit by "flying debris" made of plastic or metal fragments:

UPDATE 4:50 p.m. Sunday

11 Investigates has learned that four Pittsburgh police officers assigned to the former president's motorcade yesterday suffered minor injuries during the shooting.

The four motorcycle officers were part of Donald Trump's escort to and from the rally in Butler.

Sources tell Chief Investigator Rick Earle the officers were just feet away from Trump when shots rang out. The four officers suffered minor injuries from flying debris caused by the bullets.

Sources say the officers were hit with either plastic or metal fragments when the bullets struck objects nearby.

They were treated at the scene. They were okay to escort Trump back to the airport in Pittsburgh last night after he was treated at Butler Memorial Hospital.

www.yahoo.com

Could the podium have been hit or the platform Trump was standing on? After one bullet flew passed Trump it was said to have struck the railing of a bleacher next to one of the bystanders who was injured, so the bullets could have potentially hit other things besides people or teleprompters.

#53 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2024-07-26 09:29 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

A good man is dead. 2 others were critically wounded.

Nobody is denying any of that. Could you be any more of a hyperventilating cooze?

#54 | Posted by jpw at 2024-07-26 09:29 AM | Reply

Really easy solution to that. Just need those medical records!
#17 | POSTED BY CHUFFY

Or even just the ear.

#55 | Posted by jpw at 2024-07-26 09:31 AM | Reply

I haven't heard a peep about any bullet being recovered for forensic analysis ~ which would be normal investigative protocol.

If it hit the bleachers there probably wouldn't be much left to recover. Some jacket fragments and maybe a few pieces of the lead core. If they didn't impact anything, good luck knowing exactly where they went.

Best chance would be from one of the people who were shot but what, exactly, are you hoping to glean from it?

#56 | Posted by jpw at 2024-07-26 09:37 AM | Reply

It is readily evident that Crooks fired 8 shots. If they haven't found 8 bullets, they need to keep looking. That scene should have remained secured until every bullet is found

You knock Wray for using the word shrapnel but then show yourself entirely clueless on the effects of an impact on a 5.56 round?

#57 | Posted by jpw at 2024-07-26 09:43 AM | Reply

Was there such a concrete wall/floor present on the site?
imo, more information is needed.
#27 | POSTED BY LAMPLIGHTER

Why? What will you do with it? Are you knowledgeable enough about ballistics to even understand what it means?

Everyone here making all these demands as if they're writing some expert report for a court hearing or something. Meanwhile, any info given on the topic will likely change their understanding or opinion little to nil because we already have audio evidence and recovered spent brass.

#58 | Posted by jpw at 2024-07-26 09:48 AM | Reply

#53 | POSTED BY GAL_TUESDAY AT 2024-07-26 09:29 AM | FLAG:

The flying metal debris would be bullet shrapnel. A metal bleacher isn't going to have any significant spalling from .223 impact.

#59 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2024-07-26 11:32 AM | Reply

#57 "You knock Wray for using the word shrapnel but then show yourself entirely clueless on the effects of an impact on a 5.56 round? #57 | Posted by jpw at 2024-07-26 09:43 AM | Reply | Flag: "

They have not revealed what type of ammo he used, but I am fully aware of the impacts of a 5.56 round. Unless they are frangible (unlikley) They don't "disintegrate". Mostly they go right through stuff, like aluminum bleachers. They hit really hard stuff and flatten out. As they slow down, they get embedded in things like walls, or dirt. I have had lake beds drained and sifted and spent weeks combing a landfill to find projectiles. They can be found, and a thorough investigator will not give up until all are accounted for.
If you feel the need to disregard my experience, fine, but I am not the FBI Director, testifying in front of Congress. He looks like an ignorant hack for using the word shrapnel in this context, not a law enforcement professional. That type of "semantic" mistake in a report or in testimony results in acquittals. It has already spurred a big splash in Time magazine.

#60 | Posted by Miranda7 at 2024-07-26 11:54 AM | Reply

#53 The flying metal debris would be bullet shrapnel. A metal bleacher isn't going to have any significant spalling from .223 impact. #59 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2024-07-26 11:32 AM | Reply | Flag: "
Are you saying that neither a .223 or 5.56 can penetrate 1/8" aluminum? Because that is what bleachers are made of.

#61 | Posted by Miranda7 at 2024-07-26 12:07 PM | Reply

Obviously it can. That's not what people are saying. For it to be metal, non-bullet fragments, it has to hit that bleacher and creating spalling sufficient to cause injury to somebody 40+ feet away. That's not happening.

#62 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2024-07-26 12:36 PM | Reply

It's more than 80 feet from the bleachers along the angle where the shooter attacked from.

That's not realistic in any way.

#63 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2024-07-26 12:37 PM | Reply

Realistic is that an intact or fragments of a bullet aimed at Trump, hit Trump.

#64 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2024-07-26 12:39 PM | Reply

Thank you, I misunderstood your previous post, that clarifies it.

#65 | Posted by Miranda7 at 2024-07-26 01:11 PM | Reply

One might want to consider that he was most likely hit by fragments of "something" and not the full bullet.

If that bullet actually came so close as to hit his ear, I really doubt he would have much of an ear left and more injuries. The reason being the ballistic pressure wave. Plenty of studies done on it. A bullet buzzing by like that can cause rapid incapacitation and brain damage. US Army has studied and tested it. Then again, one must have a brain to begin with...

#66 | Posted by GalaxiePete at 2024-07-26 02:20 PM | Reply

The flying metal debris would be bullet shrapnel. A metal bleacher isn't going to have any significant spalling from .223 impact.
#59 | Posted by sitzkriegwhere

I wasn't saying the bullet that struck the bleacher railing caused the fragment that hit Trump. As I said, that bullet is said to have flown past Trump and kept going into the stands where it is said to have hit one of the bystanders, who was injured, and then struck a railing as well, causing a puff of smoke. (That's what one of the online "experts" I read claimed anyway.) I was trying to point out that there were other objects near Trump besides the teleprompter that could have been hit by a bullet and caused flying debris. In addition to the podium and the platform Trump was standing on, there is some sort of large black box near his feet. I can't tell what it is.

#67 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2024-07-26 03:15 PM | Reply

Or even just the ear.

#55 | POSTED BY JPW

If a 5.56 round made contact with his ear at that range, he wouldn't have an ear ...

#68 | Posted by chuffy at 2024-07-26 03:34 PM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 1

"(That's what one of the online "experts" I read claimed anyway.)"

BTW, that expert believes the bullet that grazed Trump's ear was the first bullet Crooks fired and is the one that went on to subsequently hit the bystander and then the railing. It seems like the FBI should be able to take evidence found at the scene as well as various videos of the assissiation attempt and piece together a fairly accurate timeline of the incident. As I've said all along, maybe Trump was grazed by a bullet. I'm just not willing to take his word alone as proof positive.

#69 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2024-07-26 03:40 PM | Reply

If a 5.56 round made contact with his ear at that range, he wouldn't have an ear ...

#68 | POSTED BY CHUFFY AT 2024-07-26 03:34 PM | REPLY

Also fake news. Body parts don't just explode with nicked. You have to have 4" of body mass to penetrate before the .223 will begin expansion.

#70 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2024-07-26 03:41 PM | Reply

I was trying to point out that there were other objects near Trump besides the teleprompter that could have been hit by a bullet and caused flying debris.

#67 | POSTED BY GAL_TUESDAY AT 2024-07-26 03:15 PM | FLAG:

There were 8 shots in 6 seconds.

Definitely not in the right ear from where he's standing and the bullet travelled from.

You're grasping for anything to hit trump besides a bullet or bullet fragments. There's no evidence of it.

#71 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2024-07-26 03:43 PM | Reply

You're grasping for anything to hit trump besides a bullet or bullet fragments. There's no evidence of it.
#71 | Posted by sitzkrieg

If it was a bullet fragment/s rather than a bullet, how/why did it become a fragment/s? Did the bullet just explode in midair without contacting anything? Is that something that can happen?

#72 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2024-07-26 03:46 PM | Reply

A 3,000 FPS bullet passing by an ear feels like a missed punch. And if #45 was struck by the high-velocity round, he certainly didn't react to the immense pain that would have caused. From the video, #45 seems to be reacting to a sharp pain on his ear as if a horsefly bit him. And the sound of the gunfire comes after the rounds have struck, because a bullet travels faster than the speed of sound (Mach 1).

#73 | Posted by C0RI0LANUS at 2024-07-26 03:59 PM | Reply

I believe the point trying to be made here is that the attempted assassination of Trump was a criminal act that falls under the purview of the FBI to investigate forensically. The head of the FBI seems to be alleging that their investigators have no had personal access to Trump - to visually assess his wound - nor to his detailed medical records - which would also assist in determining what precisely happened.

Trump is currently a private citizen, so I can think of no reason the FBI has not been given access to every piece of evidence involved in this shooting, including access to debrief the medical personnel who treated his wounds and multi-perspective photos of said wounds as a part of their investigation.

Wray's testimony seemed to indicate that they haven't been given this access, which would appear to be another example of obstruction of justice - though one less egregious than Trump's many other obstruction-related actions he took as President to stymy investigations into probable criminal conduct.

#74 | Posted by tonyroma at 2024-07-26 04:00 PM | Reply

Can we just see the ear and get a ED report from the attending physicians?

It sure would clear thing up real quick and none of us would have to endure all this uninformed drivel coming from the CVS Rambo's

#75 | Posted by ChiefTutMoses at 2024-07-26 04:00 PM | Reply

I have seen worse bleeding from a shaving cut

And just like a shaving nic, no evidence of it exists after a day or two

This is why Trump sported that sanitary napkin on his ear, because his "gunshot" isn't even visible

#76 | Posted by ChiefTutMoses at 2024-07-26 04:06 PM | Reply

F.B.I. Examining Bullet Fragments Found at Trump Rally Site

The F.B.I. is examining numerous metal fragments found near the stage at a campaign rally in Butler, Pa., to determine whether an assassin's bullet--or potential debris--grazed former President Donald J. Trump's head, bloodying his ear, according to the F.B.I. and a federal law enforcement official.. . .

It is not unusual for the type of bullet that Mr. Crooks fired from his AR-15-style semiautomatic rifle to tumble end over end and break apart after hitting even a small solid object. Gun experts say a fragment might, for instance, have hit a metal stanchion.

Still, a bullet could have grazed Mr. Trump's ear, and the F.B.I. has not ruled that out. Investigators found eight rifle casings on the roof where the shooter was positioned.

It is not clear if investigators have eliminated other potential sources of debris. But bureau analysts appear to be focused on metal fragments, as opposed to glass from the teleprompters onstage. Photos of the teleprompters next to Mr. Trump show they were intact after the bullets were fired. . . .

Gun experts said the F.B.I. could rely on trajectory analysis, a physical examination of any linked bullet and the president's wound to possibly figure out what happened. A detailed analysis of bullet trajectories, footage, photos and audio by The New York Times strongly suggests Mr. Trump was grazed by the first of eight bullets fired by Mr. Crooks. . . .

One other scenario investigators are likely to explore: that the bullet, deadly but friable, might have fragmented after skimming Mr. Trump's ear.

"The problem you have with a bullet traveling at 3,200 feet per second is that it fragments very easily when it hits a surface before the target," Mr. Harrigan said. "It's going to be tough with the fragmentation to definitely say what happened. "

www.nytimes.com

#77 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2024-07-26 04:06 PM | Reply


The head of the FBI seems to be alleging that their investigators have no had personal access to Trump - to visually assess his wound - nor to his detailed medical records - which would also assist in determining what precisely happened.
~ Tony

Did they need it?
www.nytimes.com


A 3,000 FPS bullet passing by an ear feels like a missed punch. And if #45 was struck by the high-velocity round, he certainly didn't react to the immense pain that would have caused. From the video, #45 seems to be reacting to a sharp pain on his ear as if a horsefly bit him. And the sound of the gunfire comes after the rounds have struck, because a bullet travels faster than the speed of sound (Mach 1).

#73 | POSTED BY C0RI0LANUS AT

Poor assumptions.

My guess is it nicked him, per the image above it had pretty much the same trajectory before and after it hit him. He was mere millimeters from it actually piecing his ear.


If it was a bullet fragment/s rather than a bullet, how/why did it become a fragment/s? Did the bullet just explode in midair without contacting anything? Is that something that can happen?
#72 | POSTED BY GAL_TUESDAY

See the image, looks intact.

#78 | Posted by oneironaut at 2024-07-26 04:09 PM | Reply

I have seen worse bleeding from a shaving cut

As I said it nicked him, didn't pierce his ear.

I don't know why its so hard to accept facts. Sure would be nice to have a medical report, but it was just a nick, do you got to the hospital because you nicked yourself shaving?

Nothing serious, certainly didn't warrant the patch he wore at the convention.

But all this obscures there was an attempted assassination on Trump, as if there is some doubt about the veracity of the whole event.

#79 | Posted by oneironaut at 2024-07-26 04:12 PM | Reply

See the image, looks intact.
#78 | Posted by oneironaut

I was responding to Sitz who said it could have been a bullet fragment:

You're grasping for anything to hit trump besides a bullet or bullet fragments. There's no evidence of it.
#71 | Posted by sitzkrieg

Anyway there was more than one bullet, so one could have fragmented by not another.

#80 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2024-07-26 04:13 PM | Reply

Titled: "Photo appears to"

Talk about assumptions!

#81 | Posted by ChiefTutMoses at 2024-07-26 04:17 PM | Reply

The real issue is that a young white male had easy access to an assault rifle, the problem that is plaguing America. These conspiracy theories or discussions about the Iranians divert us from that crucial fact.

#82 | Posted by C0RI0LANUS at 2024-07-26 04:18 PM | Reply

Speculation Swirls About What Hit Trump. An Analysis Suggests It was a Bullet

An absence of medical records or official accounts has stirred confusion, but a Times video and trajectory analysis indicates a bullet, not debris, wounded the former president.

www.nytimes.com

#83 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2024-07-26 04:20 PM | Reply

If anybody noticed, the bullet or fragment or a shard of plexiglass didn't even mess up his hair above his ear.

I noticed that straight off as soon as he stood up and while he was ushered off the stage.

#84 | Posted by Twinpac at 2024-07-26 04:22 PM | Reply

- I don't know why its so hard to accept facts.

Amazing! The silly FBI doesn't yet know the facts yet, but 1Nut does!

#85 | Posted by Corky at 2024-07-26 04:23 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Also fake news. Body parts don't just explode with nicked. You have to have 4" of body mass to penetrate before the .223 will begin expansion.

#70 | Posted by sitzkrieg

Speaking of fake news... Bullet deformation begins on impact - that's physics. Also when a bullet impacts soft tissue it both dramatically reduces its velocity and spin rate. The bullet also becomes unstable and begins tumbling. The lighter the round the bigger that effect is and why the 5.56 is so bad to be shot by. A 7.62 will blow right through a person while the 5.56 tends to bounce around inside a body.

Also, nobody said it would explode or that the bullet expansion would have been the cause. I posted above @66 - Ballistic Pressure Wave.

#86 | Posted by GalaxiePete at 2024-07-26 04:24 PM | Reply

Anybody on the Drudge Retort been shot at with an assault rifle like an AR-15 or AK-47?

#87 | Posted by C0RI0LANUS at 2024-07-26 04:24 PM | Reply

Anybody on the Drudge Retort been shot at with an assault rifle like an AR-15 or AK-47?

#87 | Posted by C0RI0LANUS a

Anyone ever faked a dramatic event for personal advantage?

#88 | Posted by Zed at 2024-07-26 04:29 PM | Reply

Ballistics Expert Ms. Lindsey clutching pearls over Wray's testimony, wants him to 'correct' it.

www.politico.com

#89 | Posted by Corky at 2024-07-26 04:38 PM | Reply

Speaking of fake news... Bullet deformation begins on impact - that's physics.

#86 | POSTED BY GALAXIEPETE AT 2024-07-26 04:24 PM | REPLY

It's been tested, extensively. You need 4" for deformation on the .223 on a human form or to hit something much more dense like bone.

Things do not simply explode from the touch of a .223. The ear would not be ripped off. Go to any range, shoot up cardboard, gelatin, whatever you please, and you'll get a tiny hole in & out. That's physics.

#90 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2024-07-26 04:52 PM | Reply

Anyone ever faked a dramatic event for personal advantage?

#88 | POSTED BY ZED AT 2024-07-26 04:29 PM | FLAG:

Yeah Russian disinfo bots started immediately with Crisis Actor conspiracy theories too.

It was like watching the internet reaction to a mass shooting but inverted for the political spectrum.

#91 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2024-07-26 04:54 PM | Reply

CAN we please do carts vs mags next?

I loved that!

#92 | Posted by Corky at 2024-07-26 04:54 PM | Reply

I was going to do Hydraulic Injectors. Even using the most advanced hunting bullets, better than military grade, with a polymer tipped hydraulic injector to trigger cavity expansion, you still need something denser than upper ear cartilege to get it to expand.

#93 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2024-07-26 04:58 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

- you still need something denser than upper ear cartilege to get it to expand.

So, you are saying it would have needed to hit The Hair first... interesting!

#94 | Posted by Corky at 2024-07-26 05:02 PM | Reply

Anybody on the Drudge Retort been shot at with an assault rifle like an AR-15 or AK-47?

#87 | POSTED BY C0RI0LANUS

Have treated the results. I'll pass on being shot.

#95 | Posted by mattm at 2024-07-26 05:04 PM | Reply

Now that I live in the states my chances of being shot are much higher than when deployed.

#96 | Posted by mattm at 2024-07-26 05:04 PM | Reply

Didn't someone post on another thread that there are more gunshot deaths in Texas annually than DOD deaths in Afghanistan?

#97 | Posted by mattm at 2024-07-26 05:05 PM | Reply

If that bullet actually came so close as to hit his ear, I really doubt he would have much of an ear left and more injuries. The reason being the ballistic pressure wave. Plenty of studies done on it. A bullet buzzing by like that can cause rapid incapacitation and brain damage. US Army has studied and tested it. Then again, one must have a brain to begin with...#66 | Posted by GalaxiePete at 2024-07-26 02:20 PM | Reply | Flag:

If you have a link supporting your suggestion that a bullet "buzzing by" would cause such an effect, I would like to see a link. The "ballistics pressure wave" would not apply to an earlobe, which offers no resistance to counter the force and begin the "wave" . Think about a cardboard range target. The bullet pierces it and leaves a clean hole. If the round hits the outer edge of the target, it leaves a "nick". The cardboard target is only loosely secured and doesn't even MOVE.

#98 | Posted by Miranda7 at 2024-07-26 05:12 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Do you have a link showing Trumps ear post "getting shot"?

I've seen recent pics of him.

His ear looks 100% normal.

Face it. You Trumpers are desperate for Trump to have been shot.

You're a sucker for photo ops.

#99 | Posted by ClownShack at 2024-07-26 05:14 PM | Reply

-You Trumpers are desperate for Trump to have been shot.

You appear desperate for the opposite to be true.

That's the trouble with being a partisan. You're rooting for results too often.

Me? I don't give a ---- either way.

#100 | Posted by eberly at 2024-07-26 05:33 PM | Reply

FORMER PREZ ALL EARS, NO BANDAGE... Seemingly No Injury
www.tmz.com

Interesting photo provided in the link.

#101 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2024-07-26 06:15 PM | Reply

I don't know why its so hard to accept facts.

A medical examiner's report is an example of a fact. We don't have the facts we need to accept whatever stories the lying narcissist is telling.

Ironic, coming from someone who has spent hours on this site refusing to accept actual facts.

#102 | Posted by chuffy at 2024-07-26 06:15 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

It's been two weeks since the shooting. Why has PO1135809 refused to release his medical records? Inexcusable that we don't have the results of his examination - we know more about Biden's Covid treatment ...

It's ludicrous that the media is just "Whatevs, Ronny the Pez dispenser's statement is all we need." LOL

#103 | Posted by chuffy at 2024-07-26 06:34 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Judge for yourself. unedited photo from Yesterday.
www.dailymail.co.uk

#104 | Posted by e1g1 at 2024-07-26 06:40 PM | Reply

The FBI issued its own statement, "What struck former President Trump in the ear was a bullet, whether whole or fragmented into smaller pieces, fired from the deceased subject's rifle."

#105 | Posted by homerj at 2024-07-26 08:02 PM | Reply

Also released by FBI:

That Tampon bandage was just stuck to the side of his head after he had a nappy time in the Ladies Lounge.

#106 | Posted by Corky at 2024-07-26 08:05 PM | Reply

Clown,

"You Trumpers are desperate for Trump to have been shot."

I guess it wasn't really an assassination attempt either?

#107 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2024-07-26 08:35 PM | Reply

Corky, do you consider yourself to be an ally of women? If so, please at least learn what a tampon actually is. Your wife might ask you to buy them someday and I'm afraid you will come home with the wrong product.

#108 | Posted by Miranda7 at 2024-07-26 09:12 PM | Reply

Here ya go Corky. Our SWAT guys keep a box in the van They work great for sealing up bullet holes in a pinch. www.menstrupedia.com

#109 | Posted by Miranda7 at 2024-07-26 09:24 PM | Reply

Sorry, ma'am.

I meant to say Playtex bandage, per a joke I saw about it.

Pls don't arrest me!

#110 | Posted by Corky at 2024-07-26 09:29 PM | Reply

On topic, M7, how do you feel about a man who tried to illegally overturn an Election with Fake Ballots and a violent riot in the Capitol Building, per the testimony of literally dozens of his handpicked Trumper Aides... almost being shot down?

I mean, it's terrible and all for that to happen in this country, but who he is and what he's done kinda takes a little of the burn off of it for me.

Know what I mean?

#111 | Posted by Corky at 2024-07-26 09:33 PM | Reply

Clown,
"You Trumpers are desperate for Trump to have been shot."
I guess it wasn't really an assassination attempt either?
POSTED BY BILLJOHNSON AT 2024-07-26 08:35 PM | REPLY

Who bloody cares. I'm so over it.

#112 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2024-07-26 09:45 PM | Reply

They hit really hard stuff and flatten out.

I've never seen a 5.56 flatten. I've seen them deform if it hits something relatively soft like soil or wood, but I've only ever seen them fragment (I never said disintegrate) when hitting harder surfaces like concrete or rock. Likewise, I've never seen them behave that way in a video.

Especially at the relatively short distance the shots were taken from.

#113 | Posted by jpw at 2024-07-26 10:01 PM | Reply

If a 5.56 round made contact with his ear at that range, he wouldn't have an ear ...

#68 | Posted by chuffy

I'm really tired of seeing this nonsense.

No. That's not how it works.

#114 | Posted by jpw at 2024-07-26 10:03 PM | Reply

none of us would have to endure all this uninformed drivel coming from the CVS Rambo's

#75 | Posted by ChiefTutMoses

You mean like the claim that a graze would take the entire ear off?

#115 | Posted by jpw at 2024-07-26 10:06 PM | Reply

The FBI issued its own statement, "What struck former President Trump in the ear was a bullet, whether whole or fragmented into smaller pieces, fired from the deceased subject's rifle."

I still have the same general question I asked earlier:

If it was a bullet fragment rather than a bullet, how/why did it become fragmented? Did the bullet just explode in midair without contacting anything? Is that something that can happen? Or did it have to hit something in order to break/burst into fragments?

#116 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2024-07-26 10:07 PM | Reply

One other scenario investigators are likely to explore: that the bullet, deadly but friable, might have fragmented after skimming Mr. Trump's ear.

LOL just LOL

www.youtube.com

In that video a 5.56 goes through a 6x6 piece of lumber and still solid enough on the bad side to dent a 1/4" piece of mild steel.

Grazing an ear is not going to cause the bullet to fragment.

#117 | Posted by jpw at 2024-07-26 10:08 PM | Reply

Grazing an ear is not going to cause the bullet to fragment.
#117 | Posted by jpw

JPW, you seem to know a lot about this topic, so could you answer my uninformed but honest question:

If it was a bullet fragment rather than a bullet, how/why did it become fragmented? Did the bullet just explode in midair without contacting anything? Is that something that can happen? Or did it have to hit something in order to break/burst into fragments?

#118 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2024-07-26 10:26 PM | Reply

Did the bullet just explode in midair without contacting anything? Is that something that can happen?

Not with factory loads. That said, a .223 varmint slug with a lot of velocity can break up hitting a fairly small tree branch or the like.

I don't see that happening in this case. I'd be interested to see what kind of ammo he was shooting. Chapman used hollow points on Lennon and they worked good.

#119 | Posted by REDIAL at 2024-07-26 10:31 PM | Reply

#119 Thanks, Redial. Yeah, there was nothing like a tree branch in Crooks' line of sight, so it's hard to understand why the FBI is considering a bullet fragment as a possibility.

#120 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2024-07-26 10:39 PM | Reply

Me? I don't give a ---- either way.
#100 | POSTED BY EBERLY

Of course you don't. Keep telling yourself that.

#121 | Posted by ClownShack at 2024-07-26 10:48 PM | Reply

It's been two weeks since the shooting. Why has PO1135809 refused to release his medical records?

Because there's nothing to show.

It was staged.

For a photo op.

#122 | Posted by ClownShack at 2024-07-26 10:50 PM | Reply

Clown, this one's for you:

Folks already getting ideas for Halloween:

I didn't even know Spirit Halloween sold these @uNoClimbGorilla, looks like a lot of fun, should be popular this year

x.com

#123 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2024-07-26 10:52 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

do you consider yourself to be an ally of women?

Clearly he does. Which is why he isn't voting for that adulterous, misogynist orange loser.

Meanwhile. Can you claim to be an ally of women?

Doesn't seem like it.

Seems like you hate women.

#124 | Posted by ClownShack at 2024-07-26 10:54 PM | Reply

Clown, this one's for you:

That's fantastic.

:)

#125 | Posted by ClownShack at 2024-07-26 10:55 PM | Reply

"Who bloody cares. I'm so over it.

#112 | POSTED BY LAURAMOHR"

I am absolutely not over the assassination attempt.

I am however over this silly debate as to whether his ear suffered damage from a bullet or shrapnel.

I don't get the point of delving into that.

He was shot at. A good man is dead. 2 others nearby were critically wounded. It was an assassination attempt by a rank amateur and the security incompetence was so severe that this 20 year old with no training and no real shooting competence was within an inch of assassinating a candidate for president. The lead up to the shots were spotted by untrained attendees, who sounded all sorts of alarms, but little was done and a presidential candidate was ushered on-stage to a slaughter had the shooter been any kind of marksman. THAT is the real scandal and this crap about his ear is a stupid distraction.

#126 | Posted by BellRinger at 2024-07-26 11:34 PM | Reply

Think about a cardboard range target. The bullet pierces it and leaves a clean hole. If the round hits the outer edge of the target, it leaves a "nick". The cardboard target is only loosely secured and doesn't even MOVE.

#98 | Posted by Miranda7

I made this very point. Maybe it was on another thread.

But people seem to misunderstand how this stuff works.

#127 | Posted by jpw at 2024-07-26 11:46 PM | Reply

Yea. The "assassin" nicked the tip of Trump's ear.

It was miraculous.

The angels protected him!

You morons are gullible idiots.

#128 | Posted by ClownShack at 2024-07-26 11:52 PM | Reply

It was a photo op, and all pics of Trump since (other than the one with the ear diaper) show zero damage to his ear.

#129 | Posted by ClownShack at 2024-07-26 11:53 PM | Reply

Clownshack,

You absolutely suck at trolling. You are truly horrible at it. Dial it back, just a bit.

#130 | Posted by BellRinger at 2024-07-26 11:56 PM | Reply

JPW, you seem to know a lot about this topic, so could you answer my uninformed but honest question:

Wouldn't claim "a lot" of knowledge, merely some experience and a fair bit of study of the topic.

If it was a bullet fragment rather than a bullet, how/why did it become fragmented?

It would have had to contact something, and something rather stout, to break up. Check out the video I posted and use the scroller to find the part with the lumber test. The entry and exit holes are a clean .223 diameter hole for both 5.56 hits. It's not until you're hitting the concrete blocks or mild steel that you get fragmentation of the bullet.

Did the bullet just explode in midair without contacting anything?

Wouldn't be a viable round if it could just break up in mid air from nothing but the forces that ballistics is supposed to account for. Even an unstable flight wouldn't result in fragmentation, just tumbling.

Is that something that can happen? Or did it have to hit something in order to break/burst into fragments?

#118 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday

It would have to hit something substantial at that range to fragment.

#131 | Posted by jpw at 2024-07-26 11:57 PM | Reply

BullBringer,

You absolutely suck.

Your opinion is worthless.

Keep eating Trump's shht.

#132 | Posted by ClownShack at 2024-07-27 12:00 AM | Reply

Yeah, there was nothing like a tree branch in Crooks' line of sight, so it's hard to understand why the FBI is considering a bullet fragment as a possibility.

#120 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday

There's always a possibility that they know something we don't. Something in the podium or a detail of the stage that wasn't easily seen. Something that was enough to cause fragmentation of the bullet or spalling (small pieces of material that fly off a hard subtance when impacted by a bullet).

How that would have hit his right ear, I have no idea.

#133 | Posted by jpw at 2024-07-27 12:01 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

It's funny that ballwasher thinks he'd be this concerned if it was Biden that had been shot at.

He'd be posting the stuff Clown is posting and Clown would be posting what ballwasher is posting.

#134 | Posted by jpw at 2024-07-27 12:06 AM | Reply

I am absolutely not over the assassination attempt.

Of course not.

You're a deplorable Trumping MAGAt.

Keep sucking Trump's dick.

#135 | Posted by ClownShack at 2024-07-27 12:08 AM | Reply

He'd be posting the stuff Clown is posting and Clown would be posting what ballwasher is posting.
#134 | POSTED BY JPW

Oh yea. I'm the biggest Biden sycophant on the DR.

Thanks for continuing to prove how clueless you are.

#136 | Posted by ClownShack at 2024-07-27 12:09 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

My only thought on this is Lewzer said he was hit by a bullet so chances are he was not.

#137 | Posted by REDIAL at 2024-07-27 12:10 AM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 1

Oh yea. I'm the biggest Biden sycophant on the DR.

Thanks for continuing to prove how clueless you are.

#136 | Posted by ClownShack

LOL

#138 | Posted by jpw at 2024-07-27 12:12 AM | Reply

"It's funny that ballwasher thinks he'd be this concerned if it was Biden that had been shot at.

He'd be posting the stuff Clown is posting and Clown would be posting what ballwasher is posting.

#134 | POSTED BY JPW AT 2024-07-27 12:06 AM | REPLY | FLAG:"

Oh, piss off with your straw man. Ballistics is not an area of expertise for me. I wouldn't embrace some stupid conspiracy as a result ESPECIALLY given that the assassination attempt was real, happened in front of cameras.

You are projecting at this point.

You think because you are a hack that everyone you disagree with are hacks too.

#139 | Posted by BellRinger at 2024-07-27 12:18 AM | Reply

"Trump was shot! I swear!"
-Ballistics Expert, JPW

No wonder you're constantly mocked.

You seem to think you're some kind of expert.

Yet. All you got are opinions and nonsense.

#140 | Posted by ClownShack at 2024-07-27 12:20 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

You are projecting at this point.

You're using words you don't understand but have been taught should be used in situations like this at this point.

You think because you are a hack that everyone you disagree with are hacks too.

#139 | Posted by BellRinger

LOL I think because I've watched MAGA do the logical pretzels they've done and have watched the predictable flip of support or opposition of a position occur (by both sides) that you're just puling.

You try to jazz your version of talking points up to feel superior, but you're still just pushing talking points. I'm pretty sure your usual sources are actually geared towards your kind of archetype.

#141 | Posted by jpw at 2024-07-27 12:24 AM | Reply

No wonder you're constantly mocked.

You seem to think you're some kind of expert.

Yet. All you got are opinions and nonsense.

#140 | Posted by ClownShack

LOL oh man LOL

Considering your first sentence isnt' even what I've said, well. I reiterate LOL.

I don't claim to be an expert. Never have on any topic. Just better informed than people making bad claims. I reiterate again, LOL.

You aren't even clear on what my position is. Again. L. O. L.

I'd ask if you're butthurt about something, butt...(see what I did there?)

#142 | Posted by jpw at 2024-07-27 12:26 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

If a 5.56 round made contact with his ear at that range, he wouldn't have an ear ...
#68 | POSTED BY CHUFFY

I would like to retract my comment, as, after further research, this comment is definitely full of ---. My apologies.

I still want to see a medical report. Got to know if the guy who wants to be President of the USA is physically or psychologically affected by the shooting. PTSD + NPD = WTF?

#143 | Posted by chuffy at 2024-07-27 12:31 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

www.youtube.com

Dude is kind of a right wing douche, but knows his ---- for guns and shooting.

Addresses multiple questions around the shooting.

#144 | Posted by jpw at 2024-07-27 12:33 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

142 | POSTED BY JPW

You feeling okay?

lol?

#145 | Posted by ClownShack at 2024-07-27 12:38 AM | Reply

www.youtube.com
#144 | POSTED BY JPW

YouTube???

LOL indeed.

#146 | Posted by ClownShack at 2024-07-27 12:40 AM | Reply

You feeling okay?

I'd ask the same for you given your righty like hyperventilating response to a challenge to your preferred narrative.

As for youtube, don't slaughter the source. Pony up and point out what's wrong with it.

#147 | Posted by jpw at 2024-07-27 12:47 AM | Reply

Or laugh. Laughter is good for you.

#148 | Posted by jpw at 2024-07-27 12:48 AM | Reply

"You're using words you don't understand but have been taught should be used in situations like this at this point."

You've falsely assigned a hypothetical (impossible to prove because it didn't happen) that if Biden was the target and not Trump that I'd jump on this stupid ballistics conspiracy - when ballistics is far from an area of knowledge for me - as if it in any way diminishes the fact that a rank amateur was able to fire off multiple shots at a presidential nominee creating an injury that had it been an inch different would have killed him if it was the actual bullet and is unknown the impact if it was shrapnel.

Just stop. Pick your battles with some degree of thought.

#149 | Posted by BellRinger at 2024-07-27 12:50 AM | Reply

as if it in any way diminishes the fact that a rank amateur was able to fire off multiple shots at a presidential nominee

If you have to lie, you've already lost.

Aaaaaand...you've lost.

#150 | Posted by jpw at 2024-07-27 12:59 AM | Reply

What did I get wrong?

Was he a trained sniper? Did he take stealth actions to outmaneuver Secret Service and their support?

Please point to anything in the post you responded to was false....

#151 | Posted by BellRinger at 2024-07-27 01:08 AM | Reply

response to a challenge to your preferred narrative.

Facts are my preferred narrative.

There's zero proof Trump was shot. Trump's behavior wasn't of a person who was shot, they were the action of a person posing for a photo op. Since Trump was shot there's been ZERO photos of his "shot" ear. That shht would be on the cover of TIME.

Trump would be showing it off with pride.

For a braggadocio man, Trump is suddenly humble? Yea right.

As for youtube, don't slaughter the source. Pony up and point out what's wrong with it.

Slaughter the source? It's YouTube. I've seen "experts" claim a lot of things. Like there's a second shooter. You see that one? Why don't you waste some time pointing out what's wrong with it.

#152 | Posted by ClownShack at 2024-07-27 01:14 AM | Reply

MATTM

C0RI0LANUS posted the comparative firearms fatality figures for Texas per annum and total KIA in Afghanistan.

#153 | Posted by C0RI0LANUS at 2024-07-27 01:16 AM | Reply

Please point to anything in the post you responded to was false....

#151 | Posted by BellRinger

You said none of that.

Glenn Beck has taught you well, young padawan.

#154 | Posted by jpw at 2024-07-27 01:21 AM | Reply

Facts are my preferred narrative.

What do you know, same for me. I've taken grief from all sides here for that very reason.

There's zero proof Trump was shot.

I haven't said otherwise.

Trump's behavior wasn't of a person who was shot, they were the action of a person posing for a photo op.

In the original thread I stated your former assertion. I've offered bemused counters to the multitude of conspiracies out there that your second assertion is the more likely conspiracy. Certainly more likely than Biden tried to kill him. I even posted a thread of my very own.

Since Trump was shot there's been ZERO photos of his "shot" ear. That shht would be on the cover of TIME.

Trump would be showing it off with pride.

For a braggadocio man, Trump is suddenly humble? Yea right.

Never stated otherwise.

Not sure if you're just looking to argue or what.

#155 | Posted by jpw at 2024-07-27 01:27 AM | Reply

Slaughter the source? It's YouTube. I've seen "experts" claim a lot of things. Like there's a second shooter. You see that one? Why don't you waste some time pointing out what's wrong with it.

#152 | Posted by ClownShack

You didn't open the link, did you?

Unless you're claiming they staged those shots, you're just making more assertions than you're answering.

Which is a hallmark of conspiracy theories.

#156 | Posted by jpw at 2024-07-27 01:28 AM | Reply

Trump: "Get out and vote just this time. You won't have to do it anymore. Four more years it will be fixed. It'll be fine. You won't have to vote anymore...In four years you don't have to vote again. We'll have it fixed so good your not gonna have to vote."

#157 | Posted by ClownShack at 2024-07-27 03:12 AM | Reply

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