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Monday, May 27, 2024

France is planning to send instructors to Ukraine to train the military. The announcement comes after reports that some NATO member states are discussing the possibility of sending military instructors or contractors to Ukraine to train troops and assist with equipment repairs.

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"The debate on the potential presence of NATO troops in Ukraine was sparked by comments made by French President Emmanuel Macron in February, in which he considered the possibility of sending troops to Ukraine if requested. [...] Macron has nonetheless stood by his suggestion, saying again in May that he would consider sending French troops to Ukraine in the case of a Russian breakthrough or a Ukrainian request."

#1 | Posted by censored at 2024-05-27 02:04 PM | Reply

French Rifle for Sale: dropped once, never fired

#2 | Posted by lee_the_agent at 2024-05-27 05:11 PM | Reply

Why can Pres Putin send troops into Ukraine to invade a sovereign country, but NATO seems to be unable to send troops into Ukraine to help that country defend its sovereignty?



#3 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-05-27 06:04 PM | Reply

Don't fret, Vlad, The demented orange pedo will never leave your side.

#4 | Posted by reinheitsgebot at 2024-05-27 06:07 PM | Reply

Why can Pres Putin send troops into Ukraine to invade a sovereign country, but NATO seems to be unable to send troops into Ukraine to help that country defend its sovereignty?

#3 | POSTED BY LAMPLIGHTER AT 2024-05-27 06:04 PM | FLAG:

You are definitely smarter than that question.

#5 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2024-05-27 07:13 PM | Reply

You are definitely smarter than that question.

#5 | POSTED BY SITZKRIEG

You sure?

I have watched this alias post things that make me wonder.

#6 | Posted by oneironaut at 2024-05-27 07:20 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

That's hilarious Jeffy. Now go get your shine box.

#7 | Posted by LegallyYourDead at 2024-05-27 07:24 PM | Reply

French Rifle for Sale: dropped once, never fired

#2 | POSTED BY LEE_THE_AGENT

Truthhurts in his daily effort to educate people.

In the history of warfare, the French army has won more battles than any other nation.

vividmaps.com

1940 was a unique time in history for the French nation.

If I were a military person I would love to have the French on my side.

#8 | Posted by truthhurts at 2024-05-27 07:28 PM | Reply

@#5 ... You are definitely smarter than that question. ...

Yeah, I am aware of the significant escalation (understatement) that would represent in the eyes of Pres Putin. Then, Pres Putin would likely go off the deep end and go nuclear. The West is dealing with a deranged person in Russia, I know that.

Still, if Pres Putin can put Russian soldiers in Ukraine, why cannot NATO also do so?



#9 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-05-27 07:28 PM | Reply

Why can Pres Putin send troops into Ukraine to invade a sovereign country, but NATO seems to be unable to send troops into Ukraine to help that country defend its sovereignty?

#3 | POSTED BY LAMPLIGHTER

Things that will tend to drift the US into a war in Ukraine-bad.

#10 | Posted by truthhurts at 2024-05-27 07:29 PM | Reply

@#6 .. I have watched this alias post things that make me wonder. ...

I take that as a compliment from your current alias.

Thank-you.


#11 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-05-27 07:30 PM | Reply

Still, if Pres Putin can put Russian soldiers in Ukraine, why cannot NATO also do so?

#9 | POSTED BY LAMPLIGHTER

escalation
/esk'lSH(')n/
noun
a rapid increase; a rise.
"cost escalations"

an increase in the intensity or seriousness of something; an intensification.
"an escalation of violence"

#12 | Posted by truthhurts at 2024-05-27 07:30 PM | Reply

@#12 ... escalation ...

So... NATO is saying it is afraid of Pres Putin?

#13 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-05-27 07:33 PM | Reply

Where does my post state that?

#14 | Posted by truthhurts at 2024-05-27 07:34 PM | Reply

@#14 ... Where does my post state that? ...

Apologies, my comment should not have been directed to yours. Thanks for calling me out.

I was referring to the prior few comments.

Thanks again for the civil manner in which you called me out.

#15 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-05-27 07:41 PM | Reply

No problem and fear not, I usually reserve my vitriol for jeff (and sometimes Billj) and occassionally Lfthnd, you? i would never

#16 | Posted by truthhurts at 2024-05-27 07:42 PM | Reply

Putin Ally Issues 'World War' Threat to NATO Member
www.newsweek.com

... A Vladimir Putin ally has warned America and Poland that using weapons against Russian targets could result in a world war.

There have been rising tensions between Russia and NATO member Poland since Moscow invaded Ukraine in February 2022. Earlier this month, Andrzej Szejna, Poland's deputy minister of foreign affairs, said that his country could be left exposed to Russian attacks after Warsaw said it could host NATO nuclear weapons on its territory.

Earlier this week, it was reported by Ukrainian news outlet Ukrinform that Poland was weighing the decision of downing Russian missiles. Warsaw has said Russian missiles fired at western Ukraine have entered its airspace numerous times, but Moscow has said this was accidental. ...


Of course those missiles over Poland were "accidental."

Just like Pres Putin said the accumulation of troops in Belarus were not for invading a sovereign Ukraine.

#17 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-05-27 07:44 PM | Reply

The West is dealing with a deranged person in Russia, I know that.

#9 | POSTED BY LAMPLIGHTER AT 2024-05-27 07:28 PM | FLAG:

Putin is not deranged. That's the shallow write off, but you already knew that too.

#18 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2024-05-27 07:56 PM | Reply

@#18 ... Putin is not deranged. That's the shallow write off, but you already knew that too. ...

Maybe.

But does he know the consequences of his actions?

I am not convinced he does.

Is he a good strategist?

Putin's Folly: A Case Study of an Inept Strategist (2022)

... Vladimir Putin is a bad strategist. He does not understand the relationship between force and politics, and he is incapable of predicting international reactions to his ham-fisted military campaigns. Putin's blunders began in 2014, with Russia's annexation of Crimea and intervention in East Ukraine " actions that provoked widespread condemnation and suspicion about his real ambitions. With few friends left, Putin was reduced to propping up murderous authoritarian regimes in Syria and Belarus. Today, his misuse of Russian power is leading Russia towards impoverishment and isolation. His ill-considered invasion of Ukraine has galvanized international opposition, crippled the Russian economy, and overstretched the Russian military. Putin is making Russia a pariah state.

None of this was necessary. A decade ago, Putin had a very good hand to play. NATO was sagging under the weight of the war in Afghanistan and an unwise intervention in Libya. U.S. leaders grumbled about European free-riding, and European leaders questioned Washington's commitment to the common defense. Any efforts to buck these trends and rally the old alliance were constrained by European reticence to spend more on defense and a toxic dependence on Russian oil and gas. Meanwhile, the Russian economy had recovered from the 2008 recession and was healthy enough to support a long-term military modernization program. Russia was getting stronger as its traditional adversaries were coming apart.

The stage was set for Putin. He blew it. ...


#19 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-05-27 08:07 PM | Reply

What Ukrainian soldiers? Russia killed a million of them. That's four times Americas casualties in WW2.

Ukraine is down to drafting criminals and old men. The smart Ukrainian men fled as refugees to other European nations.

It's over. I don't know why we staged the Maidan coup, but was this supposed to happen? An endless war for the MIC until the Ukrainians run out?

#20 | Posted by HeliumRat at 2024-05-28 07:23 AM | Reply

Heliumtwunt, there are 10 million dead orcs fertilizing Ukrainian soil.

#21 | Posted by reinheitsgebot at 2024-05-28 07:35 AM | Reply

#21 The ----? Russia is getting a 4:1 kill ratio. Try reading military sites. Russia has taken 250,000 casualties to Ukraine's million. That;s from NATO. And that was a few months ago.

#22 | Posted by HeliumRat at 2024-05-28 07:39 AM | Reply

Heliumtwunt, you should join the orcs and find yourself a nice African mate.

x.com

#23 | Posted by reinheitsgebot at 2024-05-28 07:42 AM | Reply

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France is planning to send instructors to Ukraine to train the military. The announcement comes after reports that some NATO member states are discussing the possibility of sending military instructors or contractors to Ukraine to train troops and assist with equipment repairs.

But wait, there is more :

www.yahoo.com - Baltic officials say they could send troops to Ukraine without waiting for NATO if Russia scores a breakthrough - May 27, 2024

|------- Baltic officials told German representatives they might send troops to Ukraine, Der Spiegel reported

The warning was part of an argument for Germany to up its support in Ukraine...

Members of parliament for the Baltic states warned German officials last week that their governments were poised to send troops to Ukraine if Russia achieved considerable gains...

Scholz has been denying Ukraine permission to use German-supplied weapons in strikes on Russian soil, in line with Washington's stance of not allowing Kyiv to use donated weaponry for attacks beyond Ukraine's own borders.

... Baltic officials were concerned that such policies created a half-hearted attempt to help Kyiv and might allow Russia to gain the upper hand in Ukraine.

They said that if Moscow did gain significant ground in eastern Ukraine, their governments and Poland could move troops into the conflict zone even before Russia deployed its soldiers on their borders...

The officials' argument... was that treating Moscow with restraint could backfire and instead create an escalation.

... Ukraine has been struggling for months to hold back a grinding Russian advance after its supplies from the US began to dwindle.

The aid has resumed after months of stalling in Congress, but Kyiv says Western equipment often arrives too late to turn the tide of the war because conditions keep changing.

... Tallinn officials said Moscow had removed 24 of 50 buoys marking Russia's borders with Estonia on the Narva River. The officials said Russia had been contesting the buoys' locations.

On Sunday, six NATO nations - Norway, Poland, Finland, Estonia, Latvia, and Lithuania - said they'd construct a unified "drone wall" with unmanned aerial vehicles and more advanced technologies to strengthen their borders.

Their concerns aren't just centered on a full-scale Russian invasion. Finland, for example, said Russia had been trying to overwhelm Finnish border officials with waves of migrants trying to enter its borders.
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Russians are conducting "hybrid war" while the US [Congress] kept stalling and [State Dept] even erecting their own "red lines" against our ally/allies in the wars, fearing some kind of "escalation," as if... The predictable result has been/will be more people killed.

That seems to be changing... slowly. Germany's Stoltenberg, Sweden, Finland, Poland and some other countries' leaders have already said that restrictions on use of NATO weapons and munitions are counterproductive.

|------- "After a sobering trip to Kyiv, Secretary of State Antony J. Blinken is urging the president to lift restrictions on how Ukraine can use American arms. ... Mr. Blinken's position had changed because... Moscow's forces have placed weapons right across the border from northeastern Ukraine, and aimed them at Kharkiv - knowing the Ukrainians would only be able to use non-American drones and other weaponry to target them in response. ..." -------|

Duh! Why that was a surprise to our "high command" I don't know. Russia had no problems using Iranian, North Korean, Chinese weapons on Ukraine's territory, including deliberate targeting of civilian infrastructure and shelters.
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#24 | Posted by CutiePie at 2024-05-28 07:52 AM | Reply

500,000 deaths. your math is off.

#25 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2024-05-28 08:00 AM | Reply

#25 | Posted by Alexandrite

You think Russia cares about it;s losses? Try this two minute hilarious explanatory musical video about Putin: www.youtube.com

#26 | Posted by HeliumRat at 2024-05-28 08:20 AM | Reply

Maybe.
But does he know the consequences of his actions?
I am not convinced he does.

#19 | POSTED BY LAMPLIGHTER AT 2024-05-27 08:07 PM | FLAG:

---- analysis. Of course he does. Putin knows Russian history. It's why the FSB is currently purging the MOD. There was no evidence taking Ukraine wouldn't work, he took several areas across multiple US presidencies.

Russia had 1 major failure that cost them everything, they underestimated the effectiveness of the combination of US training, Javelin missiles, and JSTARS surveillance aircraft telling Ukrainian special forces when and where to be. If the VDV won that battle, Russia would have taken Kiev and the war would have ended 2 year ago.

#27 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2024-05-28 08:54 AM | Reply

#27 Hey Sitz, what have you heard the casualty figures are so far?

#28 | Posted by HeliumRat at 2024-05-28 09:10 AM | Reply

Just a statistic. Putin is fine until they have to recruit from the Moscow burbs and that's years away.

#29 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2024-05-28 10:03 AM | Reply

The American military is already in Ukraine. We were there before Russia invaded. The trainers were officially removed but that doesn't mean we have left.

According to the document there were 97 special forces from NATO countries operating in Ukraine as of March, including 14 U.S. special forces.

responsiblestatecraft.org

That is all that is "documented".

It's a good bet there are more American military there than that.

#30 | Posted by donnerboy at 2024-05-28 10:06 AM | Reply

#30

The US has an embassy in Kyiv. That means at the very least, Marines guarding the place.

Every embassy I've worked with also had a Defense Attache Office, and some sort of SCO/OSC that was staffed by military personnel representing the different services.

That may be different in post-invasion Ukraine tho.

#31 | Posted by madbomber at 2024-05-28 01:29 PM | Reply

The marines guarding the US embassy are not included in the "14 special forces" in the document quoted. There are 19 American officers and 161 Locally Employed Staff members who support (Embassy)Mission operations ... ua.usembassy.gov

Also these numbers do not include "private military contractors". Which are also there. As indicated in the article I posted.

"It is highly probable that contractors are a significant part of the U.S. personnel presence in Ukraine," speculated Ted Carpenter, who wrote about the topic recently for RS.

#32 | Posted by donnerboy at 2024-05-28 01:40 PM | Reply

"So... NATO is saying it is afraid of Pres Putin?"ycho with nuclear weapons?
but sometimesBut sometimes
Afraid of a psycho with nuclear weapons? Only sompletely insane wouldn't be crazy wouldn't be but sometimes our militaey has to confront psychos! Otherwise the psychos will rule the world.

#33 | Posted by danni at 2024-05-28 06:52 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

#32

Interesting....

When I tried the USEMB site, I was blocked.

Someone doesn't like me.

#34 | Posted by madbomber at 2024-05-29 01:28 AM | Reply

Time to revise those casualty stats:

"The Russian Orthodox Church has announced that soldiers who perished in the Special Military Operation have begun to resurrect."

#35 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2024-05-29 08:02 AM | Reply

oh ----. Somebody I know in the Moscow burbs, that has been talking ---- for 2 straight years about the invincibility of Russia, has fled to Australia and refuses any comments on the conflict. Maybe that Moscow burb recruiting is coming a lot sooner than predictions.

#36 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2024-05-29 08:06 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

"The Russian Orthodox Church has announced that soldiers who perished in the Special Military Operation have begun to resurrect." #35 | POSTED BY SITZKRIEG
Zombie Russian soldiers? And all this time I thought they were just drunk.

[...]Maybe that Moscow burb recruiting is coming a lot sooner than predictions.
#36 | POSTED BY SITZKRIEG

Fingers crossed.

#37 | Posted by censored at 2024-05-29 09:12 AM | Reply

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#35 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2024-05-29 08:02 AM
"The Russian Orthodox Church has announced that soldiers who perished in the Special Military Operation have begun to resurrect."

... Oh, those Russians...

www.youtube.com - Boney M. - Rasputin (Official Video) (06m:31s)

www.youtube.com - Boney M. - Rasputin (Sopot Festival 1979) (04m:29s)

www.azlyrics.com - "Rasputin" lyrics - Boney M

...
RA RA RASPUTIN
Lover of the Russian queen
They put some poison into his wine
RA RA RASPUTIN
Russia's greatest love machine
He drank it all and said "I feel fine"

RA RA RASPUTIN
Lover of the Russian queen
They didn't quit, they wanted his head
RA RA RASPUTIN
Russia's greatest love machine
And so they shot him till he was dead

[Spoken:] Oh, those Russians...
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#38 | Posted by CutiePie at 2024-05-29 10:23 PM | Reply

@#34 ... When I tried the USEMB site, I was blocked.

Someone doesn't like me. ...

No issues accessing that site here.

#39 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-05-29 10:30 PM | Reply

Getting back to the topic at hand...

... France is planning to send instructors to Ukraine to train the military. ...

This is a bad thing... why?

#40 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-05-29 10:32 PM | Reply

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#34 | Posted by madbomber at 2024-05-29 01:28 AM
When I tried the USEMB site, I was blocked.

If you are currently in Germany (or somewhere else outside US), you may try VPN with US server IP.
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#41 | Posted by CutiePie at 2024-05-29 10:56 PM | Reply

@#41 ... If you are currently in Germany (or somewhere else outside US), you may try VPN with US server IP. ...

Good suggestion, but also note that many sites now block VPN exit IPs.

Because of that very suggestion.

For starters (and i did not even try to dig more deeply into this...)

NordVPN and GhostVPN server list and exit nodes
www.reddit.com

... You are digging into a dark place. Nord VPN is not legit for sure. But you have to do your own homework. Many of these VPN services are run by three letter agencies. Trying to determine who is legit is almost impossible. Some of them just smell bad.

Private internet access, Nord VPN and Proton VPN are most likely funded and run by three letter agencies. ...


Yeah, there may be that.

But a simple google search seems to show that the exit IPs of major VPNs are known.

If they seem to be known, well then, what is the purpose of using a VPN?




#42 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-05-29 11:24 PM | Reply

Getting back to the topic at hand...

... France is planning to send instructors to Ukraine to train the military. ...

This is a bad thing... why?

#43 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-05-29 11:25 PM | Reply

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#42 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-05-29 11:24 PM |
If they seem to be known, well then, what is the purpose of using a VPN?

I was not talking about "public" VPN.
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#44 | Posted by CutiePie at 2024-05-30 12:11 AM | Reply

This is a bad thing... why?

#43 | POSTED BY LAMPLIGHTER

Because Vlad the Invader won't like it and will threaten (again) to use nukes?

#45 | Posted by donnerboy at 2024-05-30 12:21 AM | Reply

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