ACAB ... .except Capitol Police on January 6

ACAB ... .except Capitol Police on January 6

#12 Rewind a little bit Corky, I was watching the news on January 7th. Pelosi and her team, and your fellow Drudge Reporters were shredding the Capitol Police. Accusing them of assisting the rioters, opening the doors for them and giving them directions to the chambers. ACAB was on full display. It took a few days before the focus groups reported that wasn't a good look and the new talking points came out. suddenly Dem politicians were thanking officers for their service. It took you guys a little longer to come around. Too tight a hairpin turn from the Summer of Love riots for many of you to make. Anyone who says that isn't how it went is a liar.

I was literally the only person here defending Capitol Police in the weeks after Jan 6, the rest of you were calling for the resignations of their leadership and terminations of the rank and file for their failure to protect the whiny ass legislators who were in no actual danger whatsoever but wanted to take selfie videos instead of following the 15 layer safety plan in place for them every single day.

Yes, it was a full blown riot, and lots of people are doing well deserved time in prison. but the only members of Congress that even witnessed it was the ones who refused to leave the impacted areas when they were ordered to. There are so many redundant levels of protection in the Capitol safety plan. I know, I worked there.

Uh, yes Alex. I remember that week very very well, because I had just returned here after a long hiatus. There was NOBODY on the DR speaking up for the Capitol Police. I have no need to prop up myself. I could kick your ass up and down Constitution Avenue till you scream like the punk ass lying man child you are. I just get a little pissed when intellectually decrepit ----- like you LIE. So yeah, I'm triggered. You are not because you've never had to face anything more threatening in your life than someone pulling your ponytail.

Corky, I've seen enough of your posts to trust and believe you. You do call it like you see it, but you weren't sticking up for cops that week either. I know because nobody was. Maybe you were gone that week, I was on my own. This I remember.

"But I also noted that they may have been doing it to try to quell the mob attacking the Capitol, i.e., at that point they knew they were in a losing proposition, so they went to alternative tactics."

You may recall me actually TELLING you that, because I am familiar with the area nd knew that, for example,the criticisms of them moving barricades, allegedly to let people into an area were actually being moved to direct people OUT of the confined grounds to the surrounding streets.

Same with images of officers inviting the, into certain areas, when in fact, they were "welcoming" them towards the hallways that led back away from the chambers and evacuation routes.

"Looking at the videos of the Capital Police trying to protect the Capitol from the mob, why should they not be praised for their service?"

Yeah, Nancy and friends (and y'all) come around after more footage got out, but the initial reporting treated police like they were all coconspirators in on the whole thing.

Corky, you re falling into the very easy trap of believeing that everyone who disagrees with you is a trump supporter. I have never supported Trump, never voted for Trump, never spoken up for him, i despise the man but I don't give Biden and Pelosi a pass either. It isn't a binary world, buckaroo, where there are only your liberal friends and everybody else iis a Trump supporter. That is such a weak ass argument that gets so old here ... ..ohhh, you disagree with me? Well what about TRUMP?

I'm didn't watch his speech nd I don't waste much energy here on him because there isn't much point, y'all have that covered. We have been over this before, and over it and over it.

#27 yeah, that is what I remember. We may just have a different view of what early on and quickly mean. I was here and early on lasted for days and quickly didn't come for weeks.. I was sharing my experience and insights on what I saw and knew (I still have friends on the Hill) and y'all were doubling down calling me a bootlicker and apologist, and I was too pissed off to quit so it went on for a very long time. Your mileage may vary.

It went on long enough for the Chief of Police nd I think BOTH Sergeant at Arms to get fired, Nancy cleaned house.. early and Quickly? My recollection was that it was at least 2-3 weeks later before somebody saw the writing on the wall and forwarded a resolution honoring the officers and suddenly they were hero's.

L,pay, I take you at your word too. I'm not targeting individuals here, and I can't specifically recall who said what, but I can say for sure that nobody, absolutely nobody had my back in that fight to speak of for the J6 cops in the early days. I guess too scared to get on the wrong side of the cool kids? The tribalism here is revolting.

Why now? The hypocrisy and insincerity of folks who invoke the injured cops of J6 are often the same people who figuratively pissed all over the cops who were attacked in the streets for weeks on end the previous summer. It is disgusting.

#33 Lamp I'm not sure what you are saying, but don't try too hard to tie it all together in a bow. I am reacting to a great many posts, not just this thread.

I DO remember when the discussion here was lively, and banterous, and filled with intelligent and vigorous disagreement. It has gotten to the point where there is one accepted platform of beliefs (left), and anyone who expresses an opposing viewpoint (more to the right) is branded as part of the enemy camp, and the rest take turns bashing and childishly insulting the one who dared to step off the narrow line.

If all ya got is ad hominem, why bother? Do some of you get off on just stomping people or what?

It's hard for me to believe that you all really enjoy the narrow,, confining echo chamber you built here. I think most of you are too SCARED to express a controversial viewpoint that might get you some negative attention. Much safer to stay in lockstep. Man up for gods sake.

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#36 Thanks Laura, didn't know you could do that. I welcome your effort. There were many threads, and you will find me there.

Ironically, I reappeared here a couple days before Jan 6, when I stumbled cross. Thread about Lauren Boebert wanting to carry a gun in the Capitol. At the time I didn't know who the hell she was, but I was reacting to some of you ranting that it was ridiculous for her to want to be reed, because the Capitol was one of the safest buildings in the world. I begged to differ, the Capitol was the site of many violent attacks over the years, and I got shouted down for that. Then a couple days later Jan 6 happened. Next thing you know I got a message so,embody had requested my profile info and eventually I got a visit from the FBI, asking what I knew about Jan 6 before it happened. Not sure if those two were related, because my profile is pretty well anonymized, but it would t take a rocket scientist to put my bio details together and find me.

In hindsight Lauren Bobo obviously knew what was going down.

So Laura, if you find that thread from Jan 5, pull it out so I can see who insisted nothing bad could ever happen at the Capitol. Pretty much everything I said came true and a little vindication would feel good.

Nope Alex, I've been retired for a long time and I can call em like I see em now and I've seen plenty of whiny butch ass punks like you. Threaten yiu? What do you think I'm gonna come find you and yank you out from behind your keyboard? I'm tellling you what I COULD do and I'm just a scrawny old girl. You are pathetic, I have always thought so. Cheap shots is all you have, I just got around to telling you that,

#47 Yes, Laura. It was a grade school threat. I've been saving that one up for a long time, finally throwing one back at her. I appreciate you calling out grade school threats. Can you please call it out a little more often ... .because nobody does that here. Start with Legally Your Dead. Move on to Clownshack nd Angry Dad. Pretty much nobody calls them out, most folks here just jump in with them when they do that, but thank you Lura, you are a class act.

Lampy,
I didn't mean to imply YOU personally built it. I said "you all" , Everyone here built it gradually. I need a better term I suppose, when I am speaking to the group as a whole.

I gotta give props to you, and Laura and Corky and quite a few others here, you are among the best posters here, so it isn't surprising that you would take personally something I didn't ,mean to be taken personally. I'm speaking in general terms about the bulk of DR posters and just landed on this thread to get triggered on. I appreciate you. You are fair people. I'd appreciate you even more if you jumped in when someone was getting unfairly hammered instead of just walking by. It is sad to see people show up who have so,etching interesting to share just give up and leave because the environment,ent is so hostile.

Alex, I thought you were a her for years because of your name and personality. I've never been sure Does that make me a liar? Or does it make you one?

You really like calling others liars, you don't believe I was a cop anyway so what is your point harping on it? Because you are passive aggressive and get off on trying to get under peoples skin then running away, like " who me?" I don't buy it. You are fake and pathetic. I've plonked you about 10 times, and I've on,y plonked 3 people. I see right through you.

So now, it is "pretty much everything I said" ....

Continuing to apparently back away from prior comments that have been questioned.

OK, I have to ask, what percentage of your prior comments are true? What is the percentage goal that needs to be attained to reach the assertion, "pretty much everything I said?"

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Ok LMPY, now you are playing word games. I think you are training your AI maybe? I'll answer this one but I can't be running around in circles. The "pretty much everything I said" is referring to the posts I made before Jan 6, where I was disagreeing with people basically saying the Capitol was the safest building in the world, and I was explaining that it was vulnerable to attack and had been attacked many times, including while I was working there. Nothing on the scale of J6, but there were some major disturbances, bombs and a couple shootings inside the building over the years.

ALL of my prior comments are true. I have no reason to lie and nothing to gain from it. I worked in a profession where lying is career ending, married a person who had huge trust issues before we met and adopted an abused child who needs complete transparency to safe. Lying just isn't something I do. If you think you are going to catch me in a lie, I invite you to give it your all. You will not succeed.

I unplonj everyone because it gets confusing to follow a thread when some of the posts are missing. I replonk you because you are generally rude and insulting to me for no reason. This is one of the few times I have clapped back instead of just ignoring you, and you start clutching your pearls and pretending you are on the high road. Pathetic.

I haven't chosen my pronouns carefully on this thread ... ... that is notifying, that is poor reading comprehension on your part. It isn't that hard to figure out what I meant. Try harder, or better yet go away.

There was NOBODY on the DR speaking up for the Capitol Police.

That's what you said, now it's:

I'm speaking in general terms about the bulk of DR posters and just landed on this thread to get triggered on

You got caught lying and now you're backpedaling.

#66 | POSTED BY ALEXANDRITE AT 2024-12-08 10:29 PM | FLAG:

Your reading comprehension is ----, then yiou cherry pick parts of posts to try to prove a point you fabricated in your own head. You are Pathetic, intellectually dishonest. I'll bet you've been divorced at least a couple times., and you come here just to feel powerful. Done with you once again.

Lampy those are truly all typos. Nit intentional. I'm on a small screen, and a little too pissy to change my work. You know you are my favorite person here, even when you do go AI on me, it have my respect.

Typo, check my work. Scroll up and you will see I made lots of typos on this thread. I'm tired and going to bed now. Turn the lights off will ya

#81 if you try just a little you will understand the point I was trying to get across. But I don't think you will because you made up your mind years ago that you hate everything I say, so you will find in it what you want to find, then you will act like a 14 year old girl writing on the bathroom wall. I already know this, which is why I plonk you.

Yes, is Lampy ok, I thought you liked it. My typing is bad enough without spelling out the whole thing. You have a preferred nickname?

... I was literally the only person here defending Capitol Police in the weeks after Jan 6, the rest of you were calling for the resignations of their leadership and terminations of the rank and file for their failure to protect the whiny ass legislators who were in no actual danger whatsoever but wanted to take selfie videos instead of following the 15 layer safety plan in place for them every single day. ...

I'd love to find it on the way back machine, the threads that I was on during that week (weeks was a typo, it was at least a week) ii remember like it was yesterday. It was a very emotional time nd I felt like it was 15 against 1, which is how it usually goes here. Yeah, I remember, NOBODY jumped in to help support my position. The cop bashing was thick as ever.

"The rest of you" was. Poor choice of words. I don't mean you four or five people on this thread, I mean the drudge majority posters in general as a group. That's a lot to type each time. Suggest a Better way to refer to that cohort and I'll use it.

I'm not anti woman. I'm anti 14 year old girls who write ---- on bathroom walls, then turn around and say "she pulled my ponytail". It's a metaphor or is that a simile.? I don't know, but it is your MO. Childish hit and run --------.. it isn't gender dependent. The male insults are just more vulgar, I was going easy on you. Old man.

And #101 was for #89 ... .so I'm ten posts behind. Time to quit. An emotional subject for me. Good night

I had a Lieutenant at one time that would just stand up in the roll call room and yell. He didn't single out individuals, he just chewed out all of us collectively. Of course, the hardest working officers listened, internalized the criticism and felt defensive. The lousy officers that truly deserved it barely noticed, walked out smiling, unaffected.

That is what I did here yesterday.. Just like my Lt, I yelled at everyone, without paying mind that that the people who deserved to hear it weren't even on this thread. Some of the finest people on the DR listened and took to heart what I said and reacted defensively. Your responses were warranted, and I overreacted. To you folks, and I think you know who you are, I offer my most sincere apology. I appreciate you.

The officer who shot Ashli Babbit was legally justified to use of deadly force to protect the lives of others. Ironically, so were the officers fighting off the rioters at the exterior doors, but I don't think that would have gone over very well.

Crowd control training decades ago was based on intimidation backed up with escalating force. People complied because they didn't want to get hit. As a society, we now consider pain compliance methods brutal, but they haven't come up with effective tactics to replace them.

It is interesting how some folks justify use of force against one group (J6 rioters) vs another (BLM rioters). According to some posters, the REASON they are rioting makes all the difference. Morally, I get where you are coming from, but the laws concerning Police Use of Force do not. A police officer being hit with sticks, flags, bats, rocks, etc doesn't have time to take a moment to reflect on the motivations of the person perpetrating that behavior. Violent behavior is violent behavior.

I got a lot of heat for tying together the Summer 2020 riots with January 2021. From the standpoint of a police officer in the middle of that crowd fighting to stay conscious and upright, there is very little difference.

#119 I took a look at your link. I have never heard of ACCLED, but there were so many factual errors I stopped reading the article. You may want to reconsider them as a reliable source of information. Can you spot the misrepresentations in the paragraph below? There are enough to make it seem deliberate.

While Floyd's killing ignited the demonstrations, the protest movement has also organized around other victims of police violence and racism across the country. In August 2019, police officers confronted Elijah McClain while he was walking home from a convenience store in Aurora, Colorado. McClain died after authorities reportedly tackled him, put him in a carotid hold, and had first responders inject him with ketamine (The Cut, 11 August 2020). At the start of 2020, Ahmaud Arbery was shot and killed by a former police officer and his son while out jogging in south Georgia (New York Times, 24 June 2020). The assailants claim they suspected him of breaking into nearby homes. In Louisville, Kentucky, police raided the wrong home3 while attempting to serve a warrant and exchanged gunfire with one of the occupants; his partner, Breonna Taylor, a 26-year-old paramedic who was sleeping at the time,4 was shot and killed by the officers (New York Times, 1 September 2020). Demonstrations over Floyd's killing have also called for justice in these cases and other past incidents that remain unresolved. In many local communities, protests marking Floyd's death have doubled as acts of remembrance for people like Michael Brown, Eric Garner, Freddie Gray, and Trayvon Martin " whose killing in 2012 originally sparked the BLM movement (CNN, 26 February 2017). Even amid the current round of demonstrations, new cases have been added to the list, from Rayshard Brooks, an unarmed Black man killed by police in Atlanta, Georgia (CNN, 15 June 2020; New York Times, 22 June 2020), to Jacob Blake, an unarmed Black man shot seven times by police in Kenosha, Wisconsin (CBS News, 26 August 2020).5

The only "equivalence" I made was limited to the perspective of a police officer who is being physically assaulted during a riot. His/her experience is the same regardless of whether it was June 6th or January 6th. The officers injured and killed in the BLM riots deserve the same level of acknowledgement. That is not "false equivalence.

As to the ACCLED story, I have not disputed your statistics. The factual errors that jumped out at me were from the paragraph I quoted (which is why I quoted it), and they were deliberately misleading enough for me to dismiss the entire article as untrustworthy. That paragraph contains several false or misleading statements about specific incidents of police involved deaths. The news media irresponsibly spread many falsehoods, which helped fuel the most violent protests. I think it is important for the reporting to be accurate, not to defend the officers or minimize their actions, but to keep things in perspective and react based on facts rather than deliberately misleading clickbait.

If I point out the errors, I will just be shouted down as a bootlicker,, so I am asking you to try. The errors aren't obvious to you? Maybe you aren't as discerning as you think. Start with Breonna Taylor.

... The officers injured and killed in the BLM protests
Yeah, that's where I may have issues.
Black Lives Matter "injures 1000 police officers kills 36 people and does $8 billion in damage.
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I said THE officers. I didn't give a count, so if your issue is with the numbers ... that I didn't post ... from random articles ... .that YOU just now posted, to argue against a claim ... .. that I didn't make. Hmmmmmm.

So back to what I did post, a paragraph from the ACCLED article you posted where I asked you to call out the obvious falsehoods. Twice, in 119 and 123. I even gave you a hint. Not up for that today?

... The officers injured and killed in the BLM protests
Yeah, that's where I may have issues.
Black Lives Matter "injures 1000 police officers kills 36 people and does $8 billion in damage.
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I said THE officers. I didn't give a count, so if your issue is with the numbers ... that I didn't post ... from random articles ... .that YOU just now posted, to argue against a claim ... .. that I didn't make. Hmmmmmm.

So back to what I did post, a paragraph from the ACCLED article you posted where I asked you to call out the obvious falsehoods. Twice, in 119 and 123. I even gave you a hint. Not up for that today?

I messed that one up ... .i guess I shouldn't post from an iPhone mini. .the part above the """"""" is me quoting you from the top of #125.