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Tuesday, December 31, 2024

Heather Cox Richardson: Original MAGAs who want the government to expel immigrants and elevate white evangelical Christian men are facing off against the new DOGE MAGAs who disdain original MAGA culture and want the government to turn the tech billionaires loose from regulations and taxes to create their own global oligarchy.

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Dear MAGA, what if I told you that the "waste" that DOGE wanted to cut from America was Americans like you?

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If you missed out on the backstory of this MAGA vs DOJE feud you can read about it here:

Civil war has broken out within the MAGA Republicans. On the one side are the traditional MAGAs, who tend to be white, anti-immigrant, and less educated than the rest of the U.S. They believe that the modern government's protection of equal rights for women and minorities has ruined America, and they tend to want to isolate the U.S. from the rest of the world. They make up Trump's voting base.

On the other side are the new MAGAs who appear to have taken control of the incoming Trump administration. Led by Elon Musk, who bankrolled Trump's campaign, the new MAGA wing is made up of billionaires, especially tech entrepreneurs, many of whom are themselves immigrants.

heathercoxrichardson.substack.com

This cat fight has it all: Musk telling MAGAs to go f--k themselves in the face and banning Loomer from X for criticizing him, Vivek calling Americans mediocre and lazy, Trump being his usual confused and/or lying self.

#1 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2024-12-31 02:55 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 5

It seems to me that DOGE couldn't wait to be rid of MAGA after MAGA proved themselves to be useful idiots.

Is it OK to laugh at cynical people being used by other and more cynical people?

I don't care. I'll take laughs where I find them these days.

#2 | Posted by Zed at 2024-12-31 04:02 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Musk telling MAGAs to go f--k themselves
- Gal

It was from a movie you knuckle head.

Idk if it's Doge though, they just think Elon and Vivek suck.

I like them, Trump having H-1B works on his property is icing on the cake

#3 | Posted by oneironaut at 2024-12-31 04:05 PM | Reply

@#3 ... It seems to me that DOGE couldn't wait to be rid of MAGA after MAGA proved themselves to be useful idiots. ...

Bannon Calls For Trump to Put 100% Moratorium on ALL Legal Immigration' As War With Musk Rages On
www.mediaite.com

... Former Trump White House advisor turned MAGA-world podcaster, Steve Bannon, called for a total freeze of all immigration into the United States on Tuesday. Bannon has been at the forefront of a MAGA civil war, which has pitted the hard right of the Trump base against tech billionaires Elon Musk and Vivek Ramaswamy over the need for high-skilled migrant workers on H-1B visas.

In the past week, Bannon and Musk have traded bards as Bannon has slammed Musk as a "toddler," while Musk has vowed to root out the "contemptible fools" in MAGA world. ...



#4 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-12-31 04:34 PM | Reply

It was from a movie you knuckle head.

Are you asserting Musk didn't have a meltdown on X in response to being called out by tons of MAGA idiots?

#5 | Posted by jpw at 2024-12-31 07:09 PM | Reply

OpEd: The DOGE Bros Win a Battle Against the MAGA Faithful
www.thenation.com

...It's unsettling when you find yourself slightly agreeing with white-nationalist MAGA maniacs like Steve Bannon and Laura Loomer. Their battle over the issue of H-1B visas"the kind provided to highly educated immigrants"just shows that top members of MAGA nation disagree with one another, on matters big and small. It will be a rare joy of the Trump era to watch them try to bring one another down.

The world's most pathetic billionaire, Elon Musk, and the most successful Trump-kissing Republican to emerge from the 2024 primary, Vivek Ramaswamy, tag-teamed over the weekend to promote the benefits of the visa so beloved by tech bros. Ramaswamy wrote on X, "A culture that celebrates the prom queen over the math olympiad champ, or the jock over the valedictorian, will not produce the best engineers." ...


#6 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-12-31 08:45 PM | Reply

@#6 ... Ramaswamy wrote on X, "A culture that celebrates the prom queen over the math olympiad champ, or the jock over the valedictorian, will not produce the best engineers." ...

That one is gonna leave a mark ...

#7 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-12-31 08:46 PM | Reply

And then.... MAGA finally figured out that the Tech Bros are the hated Globalists, and Trump is their Leader... but only if Musk says so.

All hell broke out.... well, kinda like Hell's Circus. Where's my popcorn?

#8 | Posted by Corky at 2024-12-31 09:43 PM | Reply

@#8 ... And then.... MAGA finally figured out that the Tech Bros are the hated Globalists, and Trump is their Leader... but only if Musk says so. ...

It is starting to look that way.

But more importantly, Pres-elect Trump seems to have lost control of his agenda going forward.

I mean, Pres-elect Trump cannot even seem to get Mr Bannon on board with his policies, let alone [co-Pres-elect?] Musk.

If I may ask ...

what of happening to the Office of the Presidency in these recent weeks?

Has Pres-elect Trump sold it, and now seems to be trying to reclaim it?


#9 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-12-31 10:05 PM | Reply

Has Pres-elect Trump sold it

He never owned it to sell. Elon bought it. Lewzer is just a Handmaid to get around the Constitution.

#10 | Posted by REDIAL at 2024-12-31 10:09 PM | Reply

@#10 ... He never owned it to sell. ...

Thanks for pointing out that detail.

Allow me to re-phrase ...

Pres-elect Trump did not sell the Office, but he seems to have sold how he acts while in that Office.

Has Pres-elect Trump sold his ~rule~ when he becomes President?

... Elon bought it. ...

It appears that way.

I'll ask again, which bedroom in the White House will the apparent co-Presient Musk occupy when he and Pres-elect Trump move in on January 20, 2025? The Queen's Bedroom, or the Lincoln Bedroom?



#11 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-12-31 10:19 PM | Reply

Has Pres-elect Trump sold his ~rule~ when he becomes President?

Without question.

which bedroom in the White House will the apparent co-Presient Musk occupy

Probably Air Force Two. He likes to stay on the move.

#12 | Posted by REDIAL at 2024-12-31 10:41 PM | Reply

He's not wrong.
Thanks Capitalism!

#13 | Posted by TFDNihilist at 2025-01-01 08:15 AM | Reply

I think it all began with this joke...

Teacher: Johnny, how do you like school?
Johnny: Closed.

#14 | Posted by TFDNihilist at 2025-01-01 08:19 AM | Reply

#12

Leon has been staying at a 2K a night cottage at Mar a Lardo since the election... so, he's slumming.

#15 | Posted by Corky at 2025-01-01 10:43 AM | Reply

Trump having H-1B works on his property is icing on the cake
#3 | Posted by oneironaut

Trump does not use H-IB visas on his property and, if fact, he came out against them in 202o, which is why I said earlier he is either lying and/or confused:

On Saturday, in an interview with the New York Post, President-elect Donald Trump threw his MAGA supporters under the bus and sided with Musk and pharmaceutical entrepreneur Vivek Ramaswamy on H-1B visas. "I've always liked the visas, I have always been in favor of the visas. That's why we have them," Trump said, referring to the H-1B visas that permit companies to hire foreign workers in skilled occupations. "I have many H-1B visas on my properties. I've been a believer in H-1B. I have used it many times. It's a great program."

Trump appeared to be confusing H-1B visas with H-2A and H-2B visas, which cover temporary agricultural workers and seasonal workers in tourism, hospitality, and landscaping. In fact, as Leah McElrath pointed out, Trump said in 2016 that the H-1B program shouldn't exist. And as Judd Legum pointed out, on June 22, 2020, Trump issued an executive order suspending H-1B visas because he said they were taking jobs from Americans.

heathercoxrichardson.substack.com

#16 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2025-01-01 11:13 AM | Reply

Musk telling MAGAs to go f--k themselves
- Gal
It was from a movie you knuckle head.
#3 | Posted by oneironaut

So what? Here's Musk's tweet:

Late on Friday night, Musk defended H-1B visas again, posting on X: "The reason I'm in America along with so many critical people who built SpaceX, Tesla and hundreds of other companies that made America strong is because of H1B." He continued: "Take a big step back and --- YOURSELF in the face. I will go to war on this issue the likes of which you cannot possibly comprehend." According to Forbes, Musk's Tesla was among the leading employers of those holding H-1B visas in 2024.

heathercoxrichardson.substack.com

#17 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2025-01-01 11:16 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

he is either lying and/or confused

Lying or confused. If he was lying and confused he might accidentally tell the truth.

#18 | Posted by REDIAL at 2025-01-01 12:20 PM | Reply

Hmmmm

so what you're saying is that it's better to do what either of 2 people ( schumer / pelosi ) say to do

and then shut the "F" up......

Hmmmmmmm

#19 | Posted by shrimptacodan at 2025-01-01 02:27 PM | Reply

Who is this "SHRIMPTACODAN" character? Everything he writes makes him sound like a treasonous moron of the worst sort. Anybody else think he was probably at the US Capitol when those other traitors. just like him, tried to stop the results of that election from being counted?
I shall call him SHRIMP-O-TRAITOR from now on. He probably had bone spurs too and never managed to serve his country... just like his fat orange grifting rapist hero dodged the Vietnam War.

#20 | Posted by Wildman62 at 2025-01-01 04:01 PM | Reply

Musk just fired 2,800 workers from his mega factory in Texas and replacing these US workers with H-1B immigrants.

No notice.

Happy New Year.

#21 | Posted by redlightrobot at 2025-01-01 04:01 PM | Reply

Elon FIRES American Workers For Cheaper H1B Immigrants | The Kyle Kulinski Show 9,320 views 23 minutes ago

Trumps quotes from 2016 are diametrically opposed to Trump 2024.

#22 | Posted by redlightrobot at 2025-01-01 04:09 PM | Reply

H1B visas are indentured servitude. The foreign nationals have to work for less than American engineers. They cannot work for a different company without another visa.

#23 | Posted by john47 at 2025-01-01 04:46 PM | Reply

#20 | Posted by Wildman62

Dude's a complete fuggin moron...ignore or plonk.

#24 | Posted by Angrydad at 2025-01-01 08:22 PM | Reply

@#8 ... And then.... MAGA finally figured out that the Tech Bros are the hated Globalists, and Trump is their Leader... but only if Musk says so. ...

The pilgrimage of Tech Bros to Mar-A-Lago reminded me of this song, which just popped up on a playlist here.

Chris Rea - The Road To Hell (parts 1 & 2) (1989)
www.youtube.com

fwiw, Part 2 was the part usually played on college radio. the local college station here got adventurous one day and played both Part 1 and Part 2 back-to-back, as this version of the video does ...

Lyrics excerpt

The Road To Hell (Part 1 & 2)
genius.com

...
Stood still on a highway
I saw a woman
By the side of the road
With a face that I knew like my own
Reflected in my window
Well she walked up to my quarterlight
And she bent down real slow
A fearful pressure paralyzed me
In my shadow

She said "Son, what are you doing here?
My fear for you has turned me in my grave"
I said "Mama, I come to the valley of the rich
Myself to sell"
She said "Son, this is the road to Hell"
...


Those lyrics are from the spoken part of the song.

... I said "Mama, I come to the valley of the rich
Myself to sell"
She said "Son, this is the road to Hell" ...

Yeah, the Tech Bros going to Mar-A-Lago to sell themselves.

The song starts around 4 3/4 to 5 minutes into the video.


#25 | Posted by LampLighter at 2025-01-02 07:01 PM | Reply

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