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Monday, November 10, 2025

Eight members of the Democratic caucus, who backed a late-night deal aimed at reopening the government and ending the 40-day shutdown, have ignited backlash from inside their own coalition, with critics slamming the move as a "pathetic" surrender.

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#1 | Posted by C0RI0LANUS at 2025-11-10 07:36 AM | Reply

It took Dems less than a week to surrender the advantage they had with the election

#2 | Posted by truthhurts at 2025-11-10 08:04 AM | Reply

I am afraid that the Democrats reached a "deal" with people who have no morality.
and no honor.

Being empty, cynical monsters has worked so well for them to this point. MAGA does not plan to quit. Trump does not plan to quit.

In a free and fair election next year, Democrats will take back government.

That will NOT be permitted.

#3 | Posted by Zed at 2025-11-10 08:12 AM | Reply

Senator John Fetterman (D-PA): a57.foxnews.com

#4 | Posted by C0RI0LANUS at 2025-11-10 08:21 AM | Reply

"It sounds like some of my colleagues in the Senate just decided we're playing by the old set of rules and may have rolled over. Right now we've got to hold the line because I think America will become unrecognizable in a year or two unless we fight back"

-Gavin Newsom

#5 | Posted by ClownShack at 2025-11-10 11:23 AM | Reply

Can't read the article. The site claims I'm using ad-blocker, even though it's turned off for that site.

#6 | Posted by sentinel at 2025-11-10 10:42 PM | Reply


It took Dems less than a week to surrender the advantage they had with the election
#2 | POSTED BY TRUTHHURTS

I suspect the goal was to make it to the election. What purpose does it serve beyond the election?

The D's will win next year as the economy won't recover. Home prices will remain high, layoffs will reach record pace.

Inflation and the debt will increase faster and faster. Blame Trump, if it makes you feel better. Doesn't help what about to happen.

#7 | Posted by oneironaut at 2025-11-10 11:24 PM | Reply

#7 What a wonderful view of the future. Thanks.

#8 | Posted by A_Friend at 2025-11-10 11:49 PM | Reply

#9 | Posted by C0RI0LANUS at 2025-11-11 03:14 AM | Reply

" 7 What a wonderful view of the future. Thanks.

#8 | POSTED BY A_FRIEND AT 2025-11-10 11:49 PM | FLAG: "

Do you prefer Zed's view of the future?

#10 | Posted by BellRinger at 2025-11-11 12:31 PM | Reply

Do you prefer Zed's view of the future?

#10 | Posted by BellRinger

You act like I've been wrong about things

#11 | Posted by Zed at 2025-11-11 12:45 PM | Reply

The Democrats held out longer than I thought they would.

Not to defend these 8 senators but some of them were actually representing their constituents with this move. Tim Kaine has a lot of federal employees in his state, for example.

I wouldn't want to be in his shoes in this situation.

#12 | Posted by eberly at 2025-11-11 01:57 PM | Reply

Tim Kaine was my Senator before I moved to NJ.

He is a Reasonable Man. Misguided on this issue IMHO.

I agree he is Representing some of his constituents.

But this issue is bigger than him or them.

He's a weak turncoat.

Resist don't Collaborate.

He is Collaborating with Trump.

I understand his reasons,I get the pressures involved.

He should Resign.

#13 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2025-11-11 02:17 PM | Reply

The Democrats held out longer than I thought they would.
- eberly

You didn't think they would hold out till the election?

To me it seemed perfectly timed.

#14 | Posted by oneironaut at 2025-11-11 02:24 PM | Reply

#7 What a wonderful view of the future. Thanks.
#8 | Posted by A_Friend

Americans built that.

The inability to cut the deficit and debt is what's causing most of it.

Unmitigated illegal immigration is causing the housing to rise and wages to stagnant.

I don't understand why we can't be liberal and be against unmitigated illegal immigration.

#15 | Posted by oneironaut at 2025-11-11 02:27 PM | Reply

-You didn't think they would hold out till the election?

I didn't. Perhaps you're right.....it was timed perfectly.

#16 | Posted by eberly at 2025-11-11 02:29 PM | Reply

Unmitigated illegal immigration is causing the housing to rise and wages to stagnant.

Perhaps Lewzer should try to do something about that.

#17 | Posted by REDIAL at 2025-11-11 02:33 PM | Reply

Let us all take a deep breath here.

This "agreement" has to then be approved by the House.

And where's the House?

So, okay, the House comes back into session.

Magically, there's now enough votes to demand the release of the Epstein files.

Democrats did exceedingly well last week. And the conditions that led to this year's Democratic victories (affordability), and the Trump's inability to think beyond the next headline (and/or keep his mouth shut), will still be present a year from now.

Please let it play out. There's nothing positive we can do right now. And bashing the only viable option to the GOPyers and MAGA and the Trump is NOT a positive for America.

Meanwhile, food will go to the 42,000,000 Americans who need it

The Trump and the entire GOPyer universe is now the party of trying to keep food away from the needy, WHILE THE ADMINISTRATION IS ANNOUNCING EVEN MORE TAX CUTS FOR THE WEALTHY.

But bashing Schumer (who definitely NEEDS to go) and Democrats, at this time, is counterproductive.

Eye on the prize, people.

Eye on the prize.

#18 | Posted by A_Friend at 2025-11-11 02:41 PM | Reply

And now, let's address a couple things the Democrats got that they cannot necessarily announce publicly. The vote on the subsidies is known, and it certainly seems like a loss, since a vote on the subsidies is not the same thing as restoring the subsidies. However, for those who would call it a loss, consider that maybe the blue team (the five new aisle-crossers, at least, and very possibly other Democratic members like Hickenlooper) are actually playing the long game. Well, not exactly long, but maybe the short-to-medium game. There are only three outcomes when it comes to the promised vote: (1) The subsidies are restored, or (2) The Republicans vote down the subsidies (again), either in the Senate or the House or (3) Senate Majority Leader John Thune (R-SD) refuses to hold the vote.

In the first case, the Democrats get what they want. In the second and third cases, they get crystal-clear proof that the Republicans are the ones who don't want poor people to have health insurance, which the blue team can then wield as a club in the 2026 elections. Oh, and if things don't work out to their satisfaction, the Democrats can resume their resistance on January 30, when the government will shut down again if there is no bill. In that scenario, the blue team will have even more political cover AND they won't have to worry about people who need SNAP going hungry, or veterans going without their pensions. In short, the Democrats got some pretty good stuff from a politics perspective without actually giving all that much up.

The second thing the Democrats got is pressure on Speaker Mike Johnson (R-LA) to reopen the House. If he does it, then Rep.-elect Adelita Grijalva (D-AZ) will have to be sworn in, and then Rep. Thomas Massie's (R-KY) Epstein files bill would have the necessary signatures to be brought to the floor of the House. If Johnson doesn't re-open, then he will open the Republicans up to withering criticism that they care more about protecting sexual predators than they do about hungry children. That is not a political winner.

Ultimately, many Democrats, including some who voted to hold the line (like Hickenlooper) concluded that the White House was never, ever going to give in on the subsidies. Shaheen, for example, concurred that "this was the only deal on the table." If that is true, then the blue team got about as much as they could have hoped to get, and they made the correct tactical decision"to cash out. If it is not true, and there was a real possibility of Trump caving, then the Democrats should have pushed all-in. That's really the crux of the matter; readers can decide for themselves if Hickenlooper, Shaheen, et al., assessed the situation correctly when they decided this was the best deal possible. (Z)

#19 | Posted by A_Friend at 2025-11-11 02:42 PM | Reply

Half of Substack (and most of the top influencers here) JUMPED on what they called the "the cave" by the Senate Democrats. Left and right you see how people who are supposed to be fighting together against MAGA and the Trump, start demeaning the only viable alternative to MAGA and the Trump: The Democratic Party.

Just above, for example, a writer says that they are not going to vote for their Democratic senator again. Another writer devoted a Substack video to his leaving the Democratic Party because of "the cave." It is like they are doing the work for MAGA and the Trump all by themselves.

Unfortunately, facts alone are often insufficient to change a person's mind due to deep-seated cognitive biases like confirmation bias and belief perseverance. I always thought that was the problem with MAGA, but a few of the responses I've received has led me to believe that the exact same thing afflicts our ostensible allies.

#20 | Posted by A_Friend at 2025-11-11 02:44 PM | Reply

Democrats did exceedingly well last week.

Because for a brief moment, it looked like democrats were fighting for working class Americans.

Then they caved and screwed over the people they were supposed to be fighting for.

In the end, Demowussies will always be Demowussies.

#21 | Posted by ClownShack at 2025-11-11 02:51 PM | Reply

#21 Please read and learn ...

And now, let's address a couple things the Democrats got that they cannot necessarily announce publicly. The vote on the subsidies is known, and it certainly seems like a loss, since a vote on the subsidies is not the same thing as restoring the subsidies. However, for those who would call it a loss, consider that maybe the blue team (the five new aisle-crossers, at least, and very possibly other Democratic members like Hickenlooper) are actually playing the long game. Well, not exactly long, but maybe the short-to-medium game. There are only three outcomes when it comes to the promised vote: (1) The subsidies are restored, or (2) The Republicans vote down the subsidies (again), either in the Senate or the House or (3) Senate Majority Leader John Thune (R-SD) refuses to hold the vote.

In the first case, the Democrats get what they want. In the second and third cases, they get crystal-clear proof that the Republicans are the ones who don't want poor people to have health insurance, which the blue team can then wield as a club in the 2026 elections. Oh, and if things don't work out to their satisfaction, the Democrats can resume their resistance on January 30, when the government will shut down again if there is no bill. In that scenario, the blue team will have even more political cover AND they won't have to worry about people who need SNAP going hungry, or veterans going without their pensions. In short, the Democrats got some pretty good stuff from a politics perspective without actually giving all that much up.

The second thing the Democrats got is pressure on Speaker Mike Johnson (R-LA) to reopen the House. If he does it, then Rep.-elect Adelita Grijalva (D-AZ) will have to be sworn in, and then Rep. Thomas Massie's (R-KY) Epstein files bill would have the necessary signatures to be brought to the floor of the House. If Johnson doesn't re-open, then he will open the Republicans up to withering criticism that they care more about protecting sexual predators than they do about hungry children. That is not a political winner.

Ultimately, many Democrats, including some who voted to hold the line (like Hickenlooper) concluded that the White House was never, ever going to give in on the subsidies. Shaheen, for example, concurred that "this was the only deal on the table." If that is true, then the blue team got about as much as they could have hoped to get, and they made the correct tactical decision"to cash out. If it is not true, and there was a real possibility of Trump caving, then the Democrats should have pushed all-in. That's really the crux of the matter; readers can decide for themselves if Hickenlooper, Shaheen, et al., assessed the situation correctly when they decided this was the best deal possible. (Z)

#22 | Posted by A_Friend at 2025-11-11 02:53 PM | Reply

#21 Facts alone are often insufficient to change a person's mind due to deep-seated cognitive biases like confirmation bias and belief perseverance. I always thought that was the problem with MAGA, many responses I've seen has led me to believe that the exact same thing afflicts many of the same, ostensible allies.

#23 | Posted by A_Friend at 2025-11-11 02:55 PM | Reply

23

correct.

#24 | Posted by eberly at 2025-11-11 02:57 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

The Democratic Party.
A friend

See you see a party, I see fractures that Pelosi had under control.

Similar to Saddam hussein.

Now that she's out, the struggle for the party is at stake. 57% of young people think fondly of socialism and communism.

Trouble is on the horizon.

MAGA won't last next term, GOP is under the similar stresses

#25 | Posted by oneironaut at 2025-11-11 03:08 PM | Reply

Collaborating is never the right decision.

Why do their work for them?

Just maintaining the shutdown was getting clear results. The mini blue wave in the elections should have emboldened the Democratic leadership and strengthened them.

Instead they Caved immediately after it became clear they had leverage to continue?

Why?

Does anyone believe the Republicans would have broken ranks at that time if the roles were reversed?

Why are Democrats so Weak when it comes to holding together and why are the Republicans so good at it?

Askin' For a Friend.

#26 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2025-11-11 03:13 PM | Reply

"Because for a brief moment, it looked like democrats were fighting for working class Americans.
Then they caved and screwed over the people they were supposed to be fighting for."

Tim Kaine is supposed to fighting for you over his own constituents who were out of a job and he had the power to get them back to work?

Not sure Tim Kaine sees it that way.

#27 | Posted by eberly at 2025-11-11 03:17 PM | Reply

-Why are Democrats so Weak when it comes to holding together and why are the Republicans so good at it?

My 2 cents.....because their base isn't as loyal as the republican base. I mean that as a compliment to democratic party voters, BTW.

But it's a conundrum for politicians.

Just wait 12 months and see how democrats start talking about Mamdani. He'll get skewered by the dems.

#28 | Posted by eberly at 2025-11-11 03:22 PM | Reply

Because the Democrats aren't an organized political party.

#29 | Posted by lee_the_agent at 2025-11-11 03:27 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Eb's we have had our issues on this site but I respect the fact you still engage.

You have real integrity on some level and I respect that. You don't plonk.

I never Do.

Censored is the one I just Hate on this site.

Apologist for Apartheid and Murder,and too ----------- to engage.

Call me Antisemitic if you want.

I don't hate Jews at all.

I hate Murdering Bigots.

#30 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2025-11-11 03:29 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

You outed yourself with the "where are all the genius Jews" crap.

#31 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2025-11-11 03:37 PM | Reply

Effetepustule simps for Putin and voted for the-------------. Nuff said.

#32 | Posted by reinheitsgebot at 2025-11-11 03:41 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

-Eb's we have had our issues on this site but I respect the fact you still engage.

Thank you. I appreciate that. I really don't know where the issues sourced from.

I expect to butt heads here because I come to disagree. Naturally, I find disagreement when I look for it.

I truly don't understand antisemitism because I didn't grow up around them nor do I live around any today. I view it as a pejorative term like "Nazi" or "Fascist".

#33 | Posted by eberly at 2025-11-11 03:42 PM | Reply

I get aggravated by "Master Race --------".

How many German "Geniuses" did the Nazis drone on about?

Judaism is not the same as Israel. Full Stop.

There is No Jewish "Race",it's a religion.

You might as well talk about an "Islamic" or a "Christian" Race.

It's BS writ large to discuss the Jews as a Race.

So any "Jewish" Achievements have nothing to do with "Genetic" "Superiority".

Hitler thought the Jews were a race, was he right?

#34 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2025-11-11 03:47 PM | Reply

Tim Kaine is supposed to fighting for you over his own constituents who were out of a job and he had the power to get them back to work?

Considering democrats didn't gain anything from the government shutdown, especially their main goal - extending subsidies on ACA, and republicans didn't have to make any concessions in order to get corporate democrats to vote with them.

One has to wonder why democrats didn't simply agree to Republicans demands in the first place and avoided the shutdown altogether.

Face it. Democrats are weak. They capitulated and they always will capitulate.

This is why there's a revolution happening within the party.

#35 | Posted by ClownShack at 2025-11-11 04:35 PM | Reply

#35 Please stop helping MAGA and the Trump.

#36 | Posted by A_Friend at 2025-11-11 04:39 PM | Reply

The only ones helping Trump are our corporate owned democrats. Like Schumer.

The same one unwilling to mention Mamdani's name unless it's to criticize him.

#37 | Posted by ClownShack at 2025-11-11 04:49 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Schumer needs to go. He doesn't have the nerves his job requires. His messaging is weak. He's weak. Once again, he looks like a loser.

I agree with CS, why let the shutdown even happen if you can't whip the support to sustain it.

Diversity of opinion in the Democrat party is good. But from the beginning, they all knew the stakes of a prolonged shutdown would be high. They should have all agreed from the beginning to be totally unified until the end, or not even tried in the first place.

Chuck doesn't have the leadership or the political acumen for these types of battles. Heck, he didn't even try to whip a unified front near the end.

Also, we need to wise up about geriatrics in politics. FFS.

#38 | Posted by horstngraben at 2025-11-11 05:29 PM | Reply

Democrats couldn't keep the government shut down forever. Fact is THEY were responsible for this one. It had all of the parallels of the stupid Cruz shutdown in 2013.

Core constituents were starting to be harmed, with government workers doing their jobs with delayed at and food stamps about to deal with a funding cut. I've seen the theory that Dems held out to kee their base revved up for the off year elections. I don't know if this helped, but it clearly didn't hurt those elections. So, now Democrats do the rational thing and end cloture, and passed a spending bill that is back at the House. By the time the 26 midterms come into swing most people will have either forgotten about this or will be focused on other things. From my POV Dems came out of this just fine.

#39 | Posted by BellRinger at 2025-11-11 05:34 PM | Reply

The only ones helping Trumpf are our corporate owned democrats. Like Schumer.
The same one unwilling to mention Mamdani's name unless it's to criticize him.

#37 | Posted by ClownShack at 2025-11-11 04:49 PM | Reply | Flag: Spot on

'Corporate' or AIPAC Democrats are the same polemicists who bray the loudest against Russian war crimes, the Iranians, or Palestinian resistance fighters, but are strictly quiet about horrendous Israeli war crimes in Gaza or rabid Settlers appropriating land from Muslims in the West Bank.

House Democrat Jared Moskowitz (D-FL) would pantomime ICC-indicted war criminal Vladimir Putin in Congress wearing a mask of him, but he never did that for ICC-indicted war criminal Benjamin Netanyahu. When an NYU valedictorian criticized Israel's pogrom against the Palestinians in Gaza, Moskowitz gleefully chimed in "Good luck getting a job!" Nice guy, huh?

While we were looking for Russian spies and interference in our politics, which there was and is, we were deflected away from looking at Israeli influence on Dummkopf Trumpf. The release of the Jeffrey Epstein files will confirm many suspicions that through the despicable blackmailing duo Jeffrey Epstein and Ghislaine Maxwell, the Mossad also has kompramat on Dummkopf Trumpf and other luminaries. Ex-Israeli PM Ehud Barak has already been linked to the loathsome Jeffrey Epstein who visited his island without his Shin Bet bodyguard detail.

"Look at Vladimir Putin! Palestinians are all terrorists! Iran is getting a bomb!"



#40 | Posted by C0RI0LANUS at 2025-11-11 05:41 PM | Reply

Also, we need to wise up about geriatrics in politics. FFS.

#38 | Posted by horstngraben at 2025-11-11 05:29 PM | Reply | Flag: Yes indeed.

In Hebrew, Shomer means guardian or keeper.

In old German or possibly Yiddish, Schummern meant 'dim' or 'dimming light,' if I recall correctly.

How apropos.

Remember, this past March the Shomer capitulated on the draconian GOP budget, which released funds to Israel. The next day the IDF resumed its pogrom on the Palestinians claiming the Muslims broke the ceasefire. That weekend Dummkopf Trumpf ordered the bombing of the starving Houthis in Yemen for the odious Benjamin Netanyahu. The Houthis had been counterattacking Israel with drones on behalf of the beleaguered Palestinians.

#41 | Posted by C0RI0LANUS at 2025-11-11 05:58 PM | Reply

Republicans may have won this battle, for a couple of months until it starts again and they STILL HAVE NO PLAN... but they may well have lost the War a year from now.

Bernie was lamenting Schumer and the Gang of 8 today, but then he noted that there were prolly only 8 or 9 actual progressives in the Caucus, and he's not sure who would replace the Leader.

#42 | Posted by Corky at 2025-11-11 06:14 PM | Reply

Democrats couldn't keep the government shut down forever. Fact is THEY were responsible for this one.

Considering 8 democrats joined Republicans to vote for their legislation, without getting any concessions, without safeguarding healthcare for poor people, it does seem like the shutdown was the democrat's fault.

Trump can ride this all the way to the midterms.

Democrats didn't do anything but prove they're not serious about fighting for Americans.

#43 | Posted by ClownShack at 2025-11-11 09:19 PM | Reply

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