Tuesday, May 07, 2024

Judge Delays Classified Documents Trial Indefinitely

Judge Aileen Cannon has indefinitely delayed the court case involving Trump's handling of classified documents. Judge Cannon had made other decision that slowed the progress of the court case but this recent delay makes it almost certain that the case won't be tried before the election.

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Jack Smith and his people shouldn't have messed with the evidence. Oh well ...

#1 | Posted by Bluewaffles at 2024-05-07 05:58 PM

This is the latest of many seemingly odd pro-Trump moves by Judge Cannon.

Will SC Smith go to the Appeals Court and ask for Judge Cannon to be removed from the case?


#2 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-05-07 06:07 PM

#1 | POSTED BY BLUEWAFFLES

Nasty Russian hack.

#3 | Posted by Zed at 2024-05-07 06:07 PM

I

Told

U

So

#4 | Posted by truthhurts at 2024-05-07 06:09 PM

What did the smelly------------- do with the missing Russia binder?

www.reuters.com

#5 | Posted by reinheitsgebot at 2024-05-07 06:11 PM

Oh Zed, my ancestors fought in the revolutionary war when it was just 13 colonies. Can you say the same?

You'll get over it in time. Too bad this was the only case that had a true chance of causing damage to Trump's election.

#6 | Posted by Bluewaffles at 2024-05-07 06:16 PM

Former President Trump calls for arrest of special prosecutor Jack Smith
wislawjournal.com

... On Monday, former President Donald Trump sent an email to his supporters calling for the arrest of one of the prosecutors appointed to his election interference and classified documents cases.

Trump email

"BIDEN PROSECUTOR JACK SMITH ADMITS TO MISHANDLING EVIDENCE!," Trump wrote in Monday's email.

"Out of control prosecutor Jack Smith just ADMITTED to tampering with evidence in the one of the WITCH HUNT BIDEN TRIALS being waged against me," Trump continued.

"Crooked Joe & his corrupt DOJ want to tear this country apart," Trump added.

"BECAUSE IF THEY CAN TAKE ME DOWN, THEN THEY'LL COME AFTER YOU NEXT!" Trump concluded. ...

According to court documents obtained by the Wisconsin Law Journal, "there are some boxes where the order of items within that box is not the same as in the associated scans." ...



#7 | Posted by lamplighter at 2024-05-07 06:16 PM

An include that did not make it past the preview screen...

According to court documents obtained by the Wisconsin Law Journal, "there are some boxes where the order of items within that box is not the same as in the associated scans."

... Because these inventories and scans were created close in time to the seizure of the documents, they are the best evidence available of the order the documents were in when seized. That said, there are some boxes where the order of items within that box is not the same as in the associated scans. There are several possible explanations, including the above-described instances in which the boxes were accessed, as well as the size and shape of certain items in the boxes possibly leading to movement of items. For example, the boxes contain items smaller than standard paper such as index cards, books, and stationary, which shift easily when the boxes are carried, especially because many of the boxes are not full. ...


#8 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-05-07 06:19 PM

Oh Zed, my ancestors fought in the revolutionary war when it was just 13 colonies.

#5 | POSTED BY BLUEWAFFLES

I have recently been introduced to this radical concept that certain people lie about themselves and who they are.

#9 | Posted by Zed at 2024-05-07 06:49 PM

Too bad this was the only case that had a true chance of causing damage to Trump's election.

#5 | POSTED BY BLUEWAFFLES

And that is what it seems to be doing.

#10 | Posted by Zed at 2024-05-07 06:50 PM

Zed, I have no reason to lie, I'm quite proud of my family lineage.

Anyways take care resting that butt hurt on this case.

#11 | Posted by Bluewaffles at 2024-05-07 06:58 PM

The fix is in with her. Is everyone associated with Trump corrupt??

#12 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2024-05-07 07:03 PM


Is everyone associated with Trump corrupt??
#9 | POSTED BY LAURAMOHR

Maybe, but everyone trying to prosecute Trump is inept.

#13 | Posted by oneironaut at 2024-05-07 07:15 PM

Ty Cobb: Cannon "is not capable of ruling fairly or intelligently on any of these motions and eventually she will probably be removed"

#14 | Posted by lee_the_agent at 2024-05-07 07:38 PM

Jack Smith and his people shouldn't have messed with the evidence. Oh well ...
#1 | POSTED BY BLUEWAFFLES

You can be more specific than that. How exactly was the evidence "messed" with? And how exactly would that action inhibit Trump from defending himself in court?

#15 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2024-05-07 07:52 PM

Wafflecone, the only thing your ancestors fought over is sloppy seconds for granny.

#16 | Posted by LegallyYourDead at 2024-05-07 07:53 PM

Ah legallyretarded has shown up.

#17 | Posted by Bluewaffles at 2024-05-07 08:15 PM

RSTY, the documents were out of order and mishandled and went against the rules of moving evidence out of the state of jurisdiction. Jack Smith's team didn't have a proper explanation for this.

#18 | Posted by Bluewaffles at 2024-05-07 08:16 PM

"BECAUSE IF THEY CAN TAKE ME DOWN, THEN THEY'LL COME AFTER YOU NEXT!" Trump concluded.

Seriously makes no sense.
Why would they bother going after Trump first?
Hopefully someone who believes Trump can explain it to me!

#19 | Posted by snoofy at 2024-05-07 10:32 PM

"BECAUSE IF THEY CAN TAKE ME DOWN, THEN THEY'LL COME AFTER YOU NEXT!" Trump concluded.

Why does Trump believe he's above the law?

Who else does he believe is above the law?

Who else has been granted so many leniencies and reinterpretations of the laws in order to accommodate such criminalities?

Trump just needs others to feel frightened.

I'm sure he's succeeding.

#20 | Posted by ClownShack at 2024-05-07 10:37 PM

If Biden indefinitely postponed student loans, Republicans would murder him.

#21 | Posted by snoofy at 2024-05-07 10:38 PM

Oh Zed, my ancestors fought in the revolutionary war when it was just 13 colonies.
#5 | POSTED BY BLUEWAFFLES

On the Pro-Slavery side?

#22 | Posted by snoofy at 2024-05-07 10:42 PM

Wafflecone is a ------- ----

#23 | Posted by LegallyYourDead at 2024-05-07 10:48 PM

Snoofy, both sides actually. On my Mom's Pennsylvania and on my Father's Virginia.

#24 | Posted by Bluewaffles at 2024-05-07 11:03 PM

On my Mom's Pennsylvania and on my Father's Virginia.

And of course came over on the Mayflower?

#25 | Posted by REDIAL at 2024-05-07 11:23 PM

No, my father's side came over in 1680 and my mom's the early 18th century.

#26 | Posted by Bluewaffles at 2024-05-07 11:29 PM

" the documents were out of order and mishandled and went against the rules of moving evidence out of the state of jurisdiction. Jack Smith's team didn't have a proper explanation for this."

Yep. The documents, and the alleged illegal retention of them ARE the case. In order to move forward with a trial those documents have to be in perfect order. Currently they are not.

Blame the FBI and the prosecution for that. They effed up and the trial cannot and will not proceed until they have those documents in proper order.

The crazy thing is, this is the one case out of the lot that has actual legitimacy.

#27 | Posted by BellRinger at 2024-05-07 11:44 PM

Who else does he believe is above the law?

My only guess is you don't know what happened.

The prosecutor ------ up.

Trump isn't below the law is he?

#4 | POSTED BY SNOOFY

I believe Trump is referring to the old Jewish poem from the holocaust.

First they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out"
Because I was not a socialist.

Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out"
Because I was not a trade unionist.

Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out"
Because I was not a Jew.

Then they came for me"and there was no one left to speak for me.

#28 | Posted by oneironaut at 2024-05-08 12:33 AM

Did you guys know that the FBI messed up the order of the box found in Joe Biden's garage?:

FBI got the documents that had been in the box out of order when they repackaged them.

When FBI agents repackaged the contents of the ripped garage box into a new box on December 21, 2022, it appears the order of a few of the materials changed slightly. This chapter discusses in detail below two folders that contained marked classified documents about Afghanistan: the manila "Afganastan" folder and the red "Facts First" folder. It appears the "Afganastan" folder was near the "Facts First" folder in the garage box when agents recovered the box, but the precise original location of the "Afganastan" folder at that time is unknown.
www.emptywheel.net

If the FBI couldn't keep the documents straight in one of Biden's boxes that only had a few classified documents in it, is it any wonder that they couldn't keep them straight in one of Trump's many boxes that had so many classified documents in them that they ran out of cover sheets used to indicate the place where classified documents had been removed:

But he [Smith] concedes, first of all, that after the search team ran out of cover sheets because there were far more classified documents than they imagined, they used hand-written papers to mark where classified records had been found.

The investigative team used classified cover sheets for that purpose, until the FBI ran out because there were so many classified documents, at which point the team began using blank sheets with handwritten notes indicating the classification level of the document(s) seized. The investigative team seized any box that was found to contain documents with classification markings or presidential records.

And then they made sure that each box was handled separately, to ensure that the contents of each individual box remained separate. They failed, however, to keep all the boxes in the same order.

The Government has taken steps to ensure that documents and placeholders remained within the same box as when they were seized, i.e., to prevent any movement of documents from one box to another. The FBI was present when an outside vendor scanned the documents in connection with the now-closed civil case (see, e.g., Trump v. United States, Case No. 22-81294- CIV-CANNON, ECF No. 91 at 2 (requiring the Government to inventory the property seized from Mar-a-Lago); id. at ECF No. 125 at 3 (requiring the Government to "make available to Plaintiff and the Special Master copies of all Seized Materials" in electronic format by October 13, 2022)), and the boxes were kept separate during that process. When the FBI created the inventories, each inventory team worked on a single box at a time, separated from other teams. And during defense counsel's review, any boxes open at the same time (and any personnel reviewing those boxes) were kept separate from one another. In other words, there is a clear record of which boxes contained classified documents when seized, and this information has long been in the defense's possession, as discussed infra at 9

https://www.emptywheel.net/2024/05/06/stan-woodwards-manufactured-scandal-about-box-a-15/

#29 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2024-05-08 12:56 AM

It is easier to understand how they messed up the order of Trump's box when you consider the volume of material and the complex way Trump's boxes had to be handled:

4. Location of Classified Documents Within Each Box

Since the boxes were seized and stored, appropriate personnel have had access to the boxes for several reasons, including to comply with orders issued by this Court in the civil proceedings noted above, for investigative purposes, and to facilitate the defendants' review of the boxes. The inventories and scans created during the civil proceedings were later produced in discovery in this criminal case. Because these inventories and scans were created close in time to the seizure of the documents, they are the best evidence available of the order the documents were in when seized. That said, there are some boxes where the order of items within that box is not the same as in the associated scans.3 There are several possible explanations, including the above-described instances in which the boxes were accessed, as well as the size and shape of certain items in the boxes possibly leading to movement of items. For example, the boxes contain items smaller than standard paper such as index cards, books, and stationary, which shift easily when the boxes are carried, especially because many of the boxes are not full. . . .

3 The Government acknowledges that this is inconsistent with what Government counsel previously understood and represented to the Court. See, e.g., 4/12/24 Hearing Tr. at 65 (Government responding to the Court's question of whether the boxes were "in their original, intact form as seized" by stating "[t]hey are, with one exception; and that is that the classified documents have been removed and placeholders have been put in the documents").

. . .

Plus, it's worth noting which box Woodward {Nauta's attorney] is focused on, A-15. That box happens to have, easily, the biggest number of classified documents in it, 32; a third of the items originally in the box were marked classified. And probably 11 of them, those marked Confidential, have since been declassified and provided in unclassified discovery.

In total, the FBI seized 77 documents with classification markings from the 12 boxes that were seized from the Storage Room, but of those 77 documents, 26 have now been produced in unclassified discovery.

www.emptywheel.net

77 classified documents in 12 boxes from one storage? To say nothing of the boxes from other locations and or the ones that have gone missing to God knows where. But, hey, not to worry because the FBI and/or prosecutors fumbled the ball. Trump truly is the luckiest SOB, but America won't be so lucky when it comes to matters of national security if Trump becomes president again, and that's the one thing Cannon, the SC and Repubicans who champion TFG don't seem to give a damn about.

#30 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2024-05-08 01:08 AM

"Did you guys know that the FBI messed up the order of the box found in Joe Biden's garage?:"

That's only equivalent if Biden were being charged with the same alleged crime. But he's not. And Hur laid out why.

If Biden were to be charged for that I would expect the incriminating documents to be in proper order before proceeding to trial.

#31 | Posted by BellRinger at 2024-05-08 01:21 AM

I didn't say it was equivalent. Nor did I say that the documents wouldn't have to be in the proper order if Biden had been charged. I was pointing out that the FBI screwed up when there was only one box with a few classified documents in it, we shouldn't be too suprised that they screwed up when there were multiple boxes and dozens of classified documents. Unfortunately.

#32 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2024-05-08 01:44 AM

#25 Okay. I didn't mean to misconstrue what you said - thank you for clarifying.

Allow me to clarify without even being asked :-)

Mishandling of sensitive documents doesn't seem to be uncommon and I personally believe - not all, but - much of it stems from human error.

When I watched the both-sides partisan reaction to this, I was flummoxed.
----
This is how I summarize the reactions:

Team Trump - this is PROOF that the deep state is out to get me and that they are cooking the books with impunity.

Team Biden - This judge is running interference for Trump and needs to be drawn and quartered.

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Documents must be in proper order prior to trying a case based upon those documents.

#33 | Posted by BellRinger at 2024-05-08 01:57 AM

Documents must be in proper order prior to trying a case based upon those documents.

#26 | Posted by BellRinger

It takes 6 months to reshuffle some papers?

#34 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2024-05-08 02:07 AM

Speaksoftly,

The postponement is indefinite until the papers are in order. That's the last blurb I saw this afternoon. No idea where you are getting the 6 months 'number...

#35 | Posted by BellRinger at 2024-05-08 02:12 AM

The postponement is indefinite until the papers are in order. That's the last blurb I saw this afternoon. No idea where you are getting the 6 months 'number...

#28 | Posted by BellRinger

Because that's how long she's going to delay it for. Because she works for trump and is delaying justice until he can thwart it completely.

#36 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2024-05-08 02:48 AM

The postponement is indefinite until the papers are in order.

What exactly does "in order" mean?

#37 | Posted by REDIAL at 2024-05-08 06:02 AM

deanobeidallah.substack.com

Judge Aileen Cannon shows us what judicial corruption looks like with her help of Trump
This undermines confidence in judiciary

#38 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2024-05-08 06:18 AM

"And that is what it seems to be doing."

I just question your use of the word "it"; that should rightly be "she." The court didn't do this the right wing hack appointed by Trump did and obviously for partisan reasons. The most important reason to defeat Republican candidates for President is the damage to democracy that the lifetime appointments to the judicial branch do .to our country. IfJudges appointed by Republicans Biden wins first job is to clean our courts to rid outselves of corrupt right wing Judges.

#39 | Posted by danni at 2024-05-08 06:57 AM

"The papers" are out of order as a result of the special master review that Trump demanded and then hated after he got exactly what he wanted. He even got the "master" he proposed.
The idea that this requires an indefinite continuance of the trial date seems out of line. Judge Canon may get overturned again for this questionable ruling. Can the people of the United States get a fair trial in Trump's backyard? I think so, but that didn't stop the Trumplings from claiming Trump can't get a fair trial in his hometown where he has done such amazing things.

#40 | Posted by anton at 2024-05-08 07:27 AM

"The papers" are out of order as a result of the special master review that Trump demanded

That would be an interesting twist.

#41 | Posted by REDIAL at 2024-05-08 07:36 AM

Jack Smith please 'Boot her where the sun don't shine'
and request a new judge already...

you should have done it months ago...

#42 | Posted by earthmuse at 2024-05-08 08:49 AM

"Documents must be in proper order"

What does that even mean?

#43 | Posted by snoofy at 2024-05-08 08:50 AM

it is obvious that she is utterly biased. and after evidence of a
'unclaimed paid for vacation to Montana' showed up in her financial
records, it is clear she is on the millionaire/billionaire bandwagon,
ala Clarence Thomas...

#44 | Posted by earthmuse at 2024-05-08 08:50 AM

Do y'all realize this is on the FBI and DOJ?

It's hilarious us to me that you're bitching about preferential treatment (not what this is) in the midst of the Alvin Bragg case.

It's bizarre. The most absurd case is steamrolling forward whilst the case with the most legitimacy is stalled.

#45 | Posted by BellRinger at 2024-05-08 09:04 AM

"Do y'all realize this is on the FBI and DOJ?"

What are some other trials that were postponed because documents were not in proper order?

#46 | Posted by snoofy at 2024-05-08 09:12 AM

It's bizarre. The most absurd case is steamrolling forward whilst the case with the most legitimacy is stalled.
POSTED BY BELLRINGER AT 2024-05-08 09:04 AM | REPLY

Aileen Cannon is protecting Trump. That's all there is to it. It's absurd to me that the order matters with regards to the crime in question.

#47 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2024-05-08 09:14 AM

Do y'all realize this is on the FBI and DOJ?

45 | POSTED BY BELLRINGER

No.

Still rooting for the fascist?

Only a fascist would do so.

#48 | Posted by Zed at 2024-05-08 09:54 AM

POSTED BY BELLRINGER

I call you a fascist in the samw way I might call a germ a plague bacillus. The label explains everthing you do.

#49 | Posted by Zed at 2024-05-08 09:56 AM

Do y'all realize this is on the FBI and DOJ?
It's hilarious us to me that you're bitching about preferential treatment (not what this is) in the midst of the Alvin Bragg case.It's bizarre. The most absurd case is steamrolling forward whilst the case with the most legitimacy is stalled.
#45 | POSTED BY BELLRINGER

No. It's the difference between having a qualified judge and an incompetent Trump stooge. Even the Court of Appeals has said that.

And if you think the New York case is somehow ridiculous, you are proving how you want a two tiered Justice system for Trump. (No surprise)

It is cute though how you STILL can't explain any of your reasoning. It's just random opinions with no backing.

#50 | Posted by Sycophant at 2024-05-08 10:21 AM

Do y'all realize this is on the FBI and DOJ?

In a way it is. Trump should have been indicted in early 2021. Instead ----------- Garland sat on the issue for 18 months before appointing someone else to handle the mess.

It was always baked into all of this that Trump's lawyers and the far-right judiciary would slow this all down. We should be 18 months closer to a conviction than we are today

#51 | Posted by JOE at 2024-05-08 11:29 AM

" It is cute though how you STILL can't explain any of your reasoning. It's just random opinions with no backing.

#50 | POSTED BY SYCOPHANT AT 2024-05-08 10:21 AM | FLAG: "

On the Bragg thread I've argued extensively why that case is BS.

To borrow a phrase, my irony meter just exploded.

#52 | Posted by BellRinger at 2024-05-08 12:32 PM

Zed is befuddled that Trumps is even being given a semblance of due process. Just send him to the gallows without a trial.

#53 | Posted by BellRinger at 2024-05-08 12:33 PM

" On the Bragg thread I've argued extensively why that case is BS."

No

You didn't

#54 | Posted by truthhurts at 2024-05-08 12:44 PM


While Trump supporters are pointing mainly to the order of the documents as the reason for the indefinite delay, Judge Cannon's order specifies a different reason.

She has been allowing pre-trial motions to pile up without acting upon them, almost as if she were building up a reason to delay the trial.

www.bnnbloomberg.ca

... In an order issued Tuesday, Cannon said setting a new trial date at this time "would be imprudent and inconsistent with the Court's duty to fully and fairly consider the various pending pre-trial motions before the Court." ...
[emphasis mine]

From what I've heard, some of those pre-trial motions were of the type that a Judge would rule on fairly quickly. Yet Judge Cannon seems to be wanting them to pile up.

Is this indefinite delay the reason?

#55 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-05-08 12:47 PM

Zed is befuddled that Trumps is even being given a semblance of due process.

#53 | POSTED BY BELLRINGER

No, befuddled that the elaborate deference provided Trump by the legal system, including a Federal judge entirely in his pocket, still leads you to complain that the man if being persecuted.

No, not really befuddled at all. Fascists of a feather stick together.

#56 | Posted by Zed at 2024-05-08 12:58 PM

Do rightwing political operative judges at the District Couet level gwt some dimestore version of the Clarence Thomas grift? Like instead of taking you hunting in Africa or something you have to go shoot squirrels with Eric Trump?

#57 | Posted by JOE at 2024-05-08 01:26 PM

Jack ------ seething

#58 | Posted by THEBULL at 2024-05-08 02:12 PM

First they came for the Tienanmen Square Protesters, and those troublemakers got what they deserved!
#28 | POSTED BY ONEIRONAUT

#59 | Posted by snoofy at 2024-05-08 04:13 PM

the documents were out of order and mishandled and went against the rules of moving evidence out of the state of jurisdiction. Jack Smith's team didn't have a proper explanation for this.
#18 | POSTED BY BLUEWAFFLES

Once again, how exactly does that inhibit Trump from defending himself in court?

#60 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2024-05-08 06:53 PM

They effed up and the trial cannot and will not proceed until they have those documents in proper order.
The crazy thing is, this is the one case out of the lot that has actual legitimacy.
#27 | POSTED BY BELLRINGER

What's keeping them from putting the documents back in proper order and how does the documents not being in proper order inhibit Trump from defending himself in court?

#61 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2024-05-08 06:55 PM

deanobeidallah.substack.com

Judge Aileen Cannon shows us what judicial corruption looks like with her help of Trump
This undermines confidence in judiciary

**UPDATE: On May 7, 2024, Judge Cannon agreed to Donald Trump's request to indefinitely postpone the trial date in his Espionage case. That ensures this trial"as Trump wanted"will not happen before November's election. Yet another example of Cannon's CORRUPTION!**

Donald Trump appointed/owned Judge Aileen Cannon should never have been permitted to preside over Trump's Espionage case. She's obviously intensely biased in favor of Trump. For starters, Trump appointed her to her job just a few years before in late 2020. That creates an inherent conflict given she only has her job because of Trump. (Imagine the GOP reaction if a President Biden appointed judge was presiding over Hunter Biden's criminal case?!)

Second, Trump is running for President again and she knows by helping him now, if he wins, Trump will reward the 43-year-old judge with a nomination to the US Court of Appeals or even the US Supreme Court. It's apparent she's auditioning for Trump to elevate her to a higher court if he wins.

#62 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2024-05-08 07:12 PM

Trial delays are not uncommon. Besides, what's the rush? I have been told in very stern terms that none of these cases are even remotely political - just nobody's above the law. So, why should it matter if the case doesn't resolve before the election?

#63 | Posted by BellRinger at 2024-05-09 11:11 AM

#62 bit it's totally okay to have an Obama appointed Biden donor preside over a case against Trump?

#64 | Posted by BellRinger at 2024-05-09 11:13 AM

62 bit it's totally okay to have an Obama appointed Biden donor preside over a case against Trump?

#64 | POSTED BY BELLRINGER

If they're honest.

Cannon isn't.

You can relate.

#65 | Posted by Zed at 2024-05-09 11:23 AM

So, why should it matter if the case doesn't resolve before the election?

#63 | POSTED BY BELLRINGER

It takes intense bad faith to assert such a thing.

#66 | Posted by Zed at 2024-05-09 11:24 AM

So, why should it matter if the case doesn't resolve before the election?

#63 | POSTED BY BELLRINGER

Got one for you, Kemosabe....If Trump wins the election should the case be tried sometime after that or should he simply dissolve the case?

#67 | Posted by Zed at 2024-05-09 11:26 AM

rial delays are not uncommon. Besides, what's the rush? I have been told in very stern terms that none of these cases are even remotely political - just nobody's above the law. So, why should it matter if the case doesn't resolve before the election?

#63 | POSTED BY BELLRINGER

Do you believe the American voters have the right to know before casting their ballots whether the candidate attempted to overturn an election and stole and hid classified documents?

#68 | Posted by truthhurts at 2024-05-09 11:28 AM

Trial delays are not uncommon. Besides, what's the rush?

"people have got to know whether or not their president is a crook." - Richard M. Nixon

#69 | Posted by donnerboy at 2024-05-09 11:43 AM

62 bit it's totally okay to have an Obama appointed Biden donor preside over a case against Trump?

#64 | POSTED BY BELLRINGER AT 2024-05-09 11:13 AM | REPLY

What in the hell are you talking about?? Are you throwing crap out there hoping something sticks??

#70 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2024-05-09 12:40 PM

but it's totally okay to have an Obama appointed Biden donor preside over a case against Trump?

Before Trump's ongoing crime spree, no one ever implied without evidence that a jurist was biased against a defendant or prosecutor prior to the actual courtroom trial at issue. Know why? Every justice swears to be impartial as a matter of their service towards justice being served at all times - meaning they're considered capable of sticking to the law instead of them being led by their own personal feelings towards those involved in their cases.

Defendants do not get to choose those who prosecute them nor choose who presides over their trials. Democrats and Republicans are adjudicated by judges from their opposing parties every single day. It's only guilty defendants who make prejudicial accusations that have nothing to do with the facts and evidence being brought against them. Trump has never pointed to any singular decision made by any judge that remotely smelled of bias. Judges are citizens too as well as voters and often time partisan politicians. Nothing about the aforementioned is relevant to their impartiality without direct evidence showing bias, something Trump cannot and never will be able to quantify beyond his self-serving protestations based on saving his own hide and inflaming his unknowledgable backers.

#71 | Posted by tonyroma at 2024-05-09 01:04 PM

Just send him to the gallows without a trial.

#53 | POSTED BY BELLRINGER

Making up crap is not helping your argument.

What we all want to see is the trial.

We want accountability and the truth about what happened under oath. So we can determine whether your candidate is a criminal. (Like we don't already know by his deeds and words in this case ).

Honestly. The trial is not for me or other democrats. It's for you and your maroon cohorts. You believe his lies and are obviously having trouble seeing the reality of the situation without having him under in court and under oath.

#72 | Posted by donnerboy at 2024-05-09 01:09 PM

Honestly. The trial is not for me or other democrats. It's for you and your maroon cohorts. You believe his lies and are obviously having trouble seeing the reality of the situation without having him under in court and under oath.

One of the jurors in one of Manafort's trials was a full-blown MAGA. He comments after the trial are emblematic of an American citizen who correctly leaves their politics at the door and reaches their verdict solely based on what they heard and saw during the trial.

Paula Duncan, an ardent supporter of President Donald Trump, came to the Manafort trial thinking that Robert Mueller's Russia investigation is a witch hunt that is maligning a good president and dividing America.

She still thinks so.

But she also had no doubt that Paul Manafort, once Trump's campaign chairman, was guilty.

"I wanted Paul Manafort to be innocent, but he wasn't," Duncan told NBC News.

www.nbcnews.com

This is all anyone should want from the Trump trials - simple American citizen jurors being exposed to witnesses and evidence, including cross examination and the defense's interpretations of the same - and then reaching a verdict of either guilty, not guilty, or one of the variations inbetween.

#73 | Posted by tonyroma at 2024-05-09 01:19 PM

The trial is not for me or other democrats. It's for you and your maroon cohorts.

Please. Trump could have a six-month trial where he gets away with maligning every witness and intimidating every juror, and upon being found guilty every single trumper will just pivot to the next excuse (biased judge, biased jury, george soros, whatever).

These people are unreachable. The sooner our society acknowledges that the better.

#74 | Posted by JOE at 2024-05-09 01:50 PM

So, why should it matter if the case doesn't resolve before the election?
#63 | POSTED BY BELLRINGER

How about the probability that 40% of Republicans won't vote for Trump if he's convicted of a crime. The voters on both sides of the aisle deserve truth and conviction behind their vote. Kicking the can down the road post November will mitigate the voters' ability to do that.

If the DOJ had charged Biden (even though they can't charge a sitting POTUS) with something similar as they did Trump, you'd be hooting and hollering for a quick and speedy due process. Go ahead and deny it, but we all know it's true, you fnkcin' hypocrite.

#75 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2024-05-09 05:57 PM

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