Wednesday, August 07, 2024

Kamala Harris Is the Border Czar. She Failed at Her Job

I have been a Border Patrol agent since 1997, serving under Presidents Clinton, Bush, Obama, Trump, and Biden, and I served as president of the National Border Patrol Council (NBPC) from 2013 to earlier this year. I have worked alongside U.S. presidents, members of Congress, and elected officials across the political spectrum to find ways to strengthen our border security and give our Border Patrol agents the resources they need to keep America safe. Let me clear something up: Vice President Kamala Harris is the "Border Czar," and while she is trying to deny that fact, pretend to care about border security, and distance herself from her failures now, her actions over the last four years have shown a complete disregard for the human suffering that occurs daily at our nation's southern border

Comments

Well of course she's denying it, wouldn't you if you wanted to gaslight gullible independents?

#1 | Posted by Bluewaffles at 2024-08-07 09:27 PM

"Commentary"

Is this your substitute to actual journalism?

#2 | Posted by ChiefTutMoses at 2024-08-07 09:28 PM

From the cited article...

... Let me clear something up: Vice President Kamala Harris is the "Border Czar," ...

OK, so a Border Patrol agent is now enabled to officially dub a person a "Border Czar" in an OpEd?

#3 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-08-07 09:32 PM

Crazy how this "former president" of something or another guy had 0 opinions to present on this subject , until after Trump lost

One look at this Judd cretin and you instantly know "not trustworthy"

#4 | Posted by ChiefTutMoses at 2024-08-07 09:35 PM

Former head of some council. Not a border patrol agent, but an aggrieved council member

#5 | Posted by ChiefTutMoses at 2024-08-07 09:38 PM

Creep, level expert

www.foxnews.com

#6 | Posted by ChiefTutMoses at 2024-08-07 09:39 PM

" OK, so a Border Patrol agent is now enabled to officially dub a person a "Border Czar" in an OpEd?

#3 | POSTED BY LAMPLIGHTER AT 2024-08-07 09:32 PM | FLAG: "

He's extremely knowledgeable about the best rider because it is his professional/work life.

#7 | Posted by BellRinger at 2024-08-07 09:40 PM

" Former head of some council. Not a border patrol agent,"

Did you even read the oped?

#8 | Posted by BellRinger at 2024-08-07 09:41 PM

Very first sentence.

" I have been a Border Patrol agent since 1997, serving under Presidents Clinton, Bush, Obama, Trump, and Biden, and I served as president of the National Border Patrol Council (NBPC) from 2013 to earlier this year"

It's in the summary. You don't even have to open the link to see this.

#9 | Posted by BellRinger at 2024-08-07 09:42 PM

@#7 ... He's extremely knowledgeable about the best rider because it is his professional/work life. ...

I will not debate that deflection attempt.

But I ask once again, what authority does a random Border Agent have in designating a person to be a "Border Czar" for the Country?

#10 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-08-07 09:51 PM

^
Not anymore

Let go because of promoting white supremacy and engaging in "great replacement" conspiracies

You got a real winner there

#11 | Posted by ChiefTutMoses at 2024-08-07 09:53 PM

" president of the National Border Patrol Council (NBPC)

He has plenty of authority. Did you read the op-ed?

#12 | Posted by BellRinger at 2024-08-07 09:54 PM

@#12 ... He has plenty of authority. Did you read the op-ed? ...

Perhaps in the position he holds.

But I ask of your current alias once more...

What authority does a random Border Agent have in designating a person to be a "Border Czar" for the Country?

#13 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-08-07 09:58 PM

It's a characterization and it's accurate. I don't know why you are so hung up on this.

#14 | Posted by BellRinger at 2024-08-07 10:05 PM

No one has any authority to designate a superior a non-existent title and pretend it's official.
That's insane to even give serious thought.

#15 | Posted by YAV at 2024-08-07 10:09 PM

" She does not have many (if any) clips of her showing her being angry"

We have been using the term czar for quite a while. We all know what it portends and the MSM accurately used the term when Biden made her border czar. They all backtracked when Biden was kicked to the curb and she was inserted as the nominee.

#16 | Posted by BellRinger at 2024-08-07 10:24 PM

#16

She wasn't the border czar.

She was appointed by Biden to solve the border issue.

She backed away from that, like Walz fleeing Iraq.

Took the on item she couldn't be judged on.

Walz and Harris are a disaster.

Shapiro, after watching his speech is the future.

#17 | Posted by oneironaut at 2024-08-07 10:27 PM

I k ew it

Another trash thread from the retorts resident trash person

#18 | Posted by truthhurts at 2024-08-07 10:28 PM

What authority does a random Border Agent have in designating a person to be a "Border Czar" for the Country?
- gaslighter

Talk to Tony he enumerated lots of people things she did.

#19 | Posted by oneironaut at 2024-08-07 10:29 PM

#18

Typical Lumper, nothing of any substance.

Just accusations.

#20 | Posted by oneironaut at 2024-08-07 10:30 PM

AND about the author of this rwing hit piece:

"A dozen interviews with former agents and Trump administration officials reveal a complex picture of Judd and his legacy.

While the Border Patrol union has become more powerful than ever, the agency has become notorious for recklessness, and rank-and-file agents are leaving en masse.

Internally, Judd has a mixed reputation, at best.

A sampling of how fellow agents and colleagues described him to me goes like this: "a joke," "a bobblehead with a badge," a "used car salesman."

"He is a political hack," says retired Border Patrol agent Gil Maza, who runs the popular Instagram account OldPatrolHQ and says he receives up to 100 messages daily from current Border Patrol agents.

"He is burning on all cylinders for a political future, a political position, or simply to be in the circuit after he retires as a contributor for Fox News or whatever."

much more at the link

www.motherjones.com

#21 | Posted by Corky at 2024-08-07 10:33 PM

www.usatoday.com

#22 | Posted by Chieftutmoses at 2024-08-07 10:34 PM

And... #22 for the knock out.

This is just more rwing GIGO that gets spilled on the pages.

#23 | Posted by Corky at 2024-08-07 10:41 PM

americasvoice.org

#24 | Posted by ChiefTutMoses at 2024-08-07 10:42 PM

#22 - so he's a white supremacist, or at least believes in "replacement theory".
Awesome. What a great witness, Jeff.

#25 | Posted by YAV at 2024-08-07 10:48 PM

Jeffyjbell likes racists.

Just like Trump did in 2016, they "reflect his values and interests"

Todays "conservative" has no low, to low

#26 | Posted by ChiefTutMoses at 2024-08-07 10:56 PM

Hey 1 but can you describe the VPs role with regards to immigration? I bet you can't without googling it

#27 | Posted by truthhurts at 2024-08-07 11:00 PM

@#19 ... Talk to Tony he enumerated lots of people things she did. ...

So your current alias seems to admit it has nothing in response to my simple question.

Let me ask it again...

But I ask once again, what authority does a random Border Agent have in designating a person to be a "Border Czar" for the Country?

And, as a follow-up question, why the apparent avoidance by your current alias of answering such a simple question?



#28 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-08-07 11:16 PM

@#20 ... Typical Lumper, nothing of any substance. ...

I could say the same thing about your current alias.

Please see my #28.

#29 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-08-07 11:18 PM

More backwash from Ballwasher.

Find a new job, DonOLD COWard is toast.

#30 | Posted by LegallyYourDead at 2024-08-08 12:03 AM

#25. Democrats and the left used to tout replace,ent theory before Trump brought it up. They talked about how a shrinking proportion of white voters to the overall voting population would result in the GOP becoming a permanent minority party based on how blacks and Latinos vote.

#31 | Posted by BellRinger at 2024-08-08 12:06 AM

How humiliating

#32 | Posted by ChiefTutMoses at 2024-08-08 12:47 AM

@#31 ... Democrats and the left used to tout replace,ent theory before Trump brought it up. ...

Got links?

That aside, i still go back to the initial premise of this thread, that "Kamala Harris Is the Border Czar."

I still have not seen any manner of evidence to the effect that she was officially appointed as Border Czar.

So, what's yer got in that aspect.

Or is this thread just yet another of your current alias' many threads that appear to troll for replies?

Don't get me wrong. I appreciated those threads. RCade gets advertiser revenue from them.

And the participants of this most august site can get to see your current alias for what it represents.

So, please, continue posting.


:)


#33 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-08-08 01:00 AM

Harris has been the presumptive nominee for over two weeks. Not a single policy listed at her website. Not one.

To me, that is insane.

#34 | Posted by BellRinger at 2024-08-08 01:00 AM

Just copy-paste Biden's.

#35 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2024-08-08 09:19 AM

Harris has been the presumptive nominee for over two weeks. Not a single policy listed at her website. Not one.
To me, that is insane.

#34 | Posted by BellRinger

Trump doesn't really have policies either.

And that's after four years of being the presumptive nominee.

#36 | Posted by jpw at 2024-08-08 09:39 AM

Bellringer,

What AUTHORITY did Harris have over the Border? (Hint: As VP, the answer is none. She could only make recommendations.)

What was her specific role as far as the Border goes? (Hint: It wasn't the actual border. It was investigating and making recommendations dealing with the root causes of immigration in South America.)

What IS the National Border Patrol Council? (Hint: It's just the collective bargaining unit for the Border Patrol agents. It's not a policy making group.)

Thanking you for playing our age old game "Jeff is an idiot". Look in your local stores for our new home board game edition.

#37 | Posted by Sycophant at 2024-08-08 10:51 AM

Harris has been the presumptive nominee for over two weeks. Not a single policy listed at her website. Not one.

Your entire party's platform last time was "Whatever Trump says!" and they didn't bother with a platform.
This year it's Project 2025, which is so toxic the GOP is running away from it for now, and the Heritage Foundation's leader has postponed his book release for after the election.

In the meantime Harris talks about her agenda in every rally she speaks at. Lays it out. Nice and clean.

You hang on to some idea that there has to be a website for it? You're becoming an antique.

#38 | Posted by YAV at 2024-08-08 11:10 AM

" Just copy-paste Biden's.

#35 | POSTED BY SITZKRIEG AT 2024-08-08 09:19 AM | FLAG: "

I could, but she's not Joe Biden.

#39 | Posted by BellRinger at 2024-08-08 11:23 AM

#38. Platitudes is not a platform.

#40 | Posted by BellRinger at 2024-08-08 11:23 AM

This one isn't hard. Clinton, Obama, Biden, and next Harris, is the continuation of foreign and domestic policies that don't really change.

#41 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2024-08-08 11:37 AM

"What was her specific role as far as the Border goes? (Hint: It wasn't the actual border. It was investigating and making recommendations dealing with the root causes of immigration in South America.)"

Border czar'? Kamala Harris assigned to tackle immigration's causes, not border security

Claims that Harris was named the "border czar," responsible for overseeing U.S. border enforcement, have become a talking point for Republicans. But Biden didn't put Harris in charge of overseeing border security.

In a meeting with Harris in March 2021, Biden said Harris would lead U.S. diplomatic efforts and work with officials in Mexico, Guatemala, El Salvador and Honduras to stem migration to the United States. Biden said that when he was vice president, he "got a similar assignment" and that the Obama administration secured $700 million to help countries in Central America.

"One of the ways we learned is that if you deal with the problems in country, it benefits everyone. It benefits us, it benefits the people, and it grows the economies there," Biden said then.

Biden asked Harris "to be the chief diplomatic officer with Central American countries" and address the root causes that make people leave their home countries, said Michelle Mittelstadt, communications director for the Migration Policy Institute, a nonpartisan think tank.

Managing the border "has always been" the Homeland Security secretary's role, Mittelstadt said.


19thnews.org

#42 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2024-08-08 11:50 AM

"Platitudes"
Another word you don't know the meaning of?

I understand Fox News (2 days ago) was pushing this as some incredible scandal. Here's the way it works:
RNC had a convention.
RNC finally put out a platform.
Trump copied and linked to the RNC Platform.
Done.

The DNC hasn't had their convention yet.
So sit on your thumbs.
The Democrats are not on your fabricated schedule.

#43 | Posted by YAV at 2024-08-08 11:53 AM

I could, but she's not Joe Biden.

#39 | Posted by BellRinger at 2024-08-08 11:23 AM | Reply | Flag:

We have to elect her before we can read her policies. It has a familiar ring to it.

#44 | Posted by lfthndthrds at 2024-08-08 12:49 PM

Your orange douchebag is speaking now.
He's such a waste of DNA.
An Oxygen thief.
Rambling. Lying.
He's so demented.

#45 | Posted by YAV at 2024-08-08 02:11 PM

#38. Platitudes is not a platform.

#40 | Posted by BellRinger

That's all Trump has on his website. Not a single actual policy.

But you can't criticize your Orange Jesus.

#46 | Posted by Sycophant at 2024-08-08 02:40 PM

"But Trump has words!"

This Press conference was insane. He is totally unhinged and untethered to reality.

#47 | Posted by YAV at 2024-08-08 03:01 PM

to from

#48 | Posted by YAV at 2024-08-08 03:02 PM

Say what you want, people are becoming "woke" to this border insanity.

Regardless who wins the election, Bidens brainless policies will be reversed.

Not just for political reasons.

Its just that this illegal immigrant invasion is out of control and governors will demand it.

#49 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2024-08-08 05:41 PM

" this illegal immigrant invasion is out of control"

Republicans just lead a bill calling for millions more for enforcement and hundreds of new hires for expedited processing.

Why isn't that being done, NOW?

Oh, right: Trump told Republicans to can the agreement; he'd rather have it as a campaign issue.

Excuse the eff out of me, but in the real world, when one side walks away from an agreement, THEY are the ones who own the fallout.

How about if The Party of Responsibility takes responsibility for a change?

#50 | Posted by Danforth at 2024-08-08 05:47 PM

Dan,

I'm not familiar with all the terms of this grand solution but it must have sucked.

#51 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2024-08-08 06:27 PM

" I'm not familiar with all the terms of this grand solution "

James Langford (R-OK) was the lead author, and he and another R on the committee both admitted THIS WAS A BETTER DEAL THAN THEY COULD GET UNDER TRUMP, due to filibuster limitations. It was basically a wish list of what Republicans had longtime wanted, but could never get.

Trump told Republicans at the 11th hour to scuttle the deal, because he wanted a campaign issue. DID YOU CATCH THAT? Trump sabotaged the bill, which would BY THIS POINT have sent more money and more manpower to address the crisis.

A crisis that was SOOO BAD ... Republicans walked away from their own fix.

#52 | Posted by Danforth at 2024-08-08 06:34 PM

" I'm not familiar "

It's not the kind of news the outlets you follow like to report:

newrepublic.com

#53 | Posted by Danforth at 2024-08-08 06:39 PM

" it must have sucked."

According to the authors, It was the best deal ever offered, with terms the Republicans will never see again.

All for Don-old Trump.

#54 | Posted by Danforth at 2024-08-08 06:42 PM

Dan,

Biden agrees to something in the year of an election?

Sounds like dems gaming the system to me.

Millions and millions of unknown people from God knows where in America illegally.

I think some need to be found and sent home.

#55 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2024-08-09 06:25 AM

DonOLD ordered his minions in the House and Senate to tank the border security bill THEY AGREED AND WORKED ON.

#56 | Posted by Nixon at 2024-08-09 07:56 AM

Dan,
Biden agrees to something in the year of an election?
Sounds like dems gaming the system to me.
Millions and millions of unknown people from God knows where in America illegally.
I think some need to be found and sent home.

Posted by BillJohnson at 2024-08-09 06:25 AM | Reply

This is their home now. They've set up roots here. Boosted the economy and everything. Get used to it BillJohnson.

#57 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2024-08-09 08:08 AM

Dan,

I read up on this grand solution proposed.

Didn't sound that good to me.

Blaming its failure on Trump isn't what happened.

It wasn't adequate.

#58 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2024-08-09 08:12 AM

Laura,

They're the equivalent of squatters.

#59 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2024-08-09 08:14 AM

Laura,
They're the equivalent of squatters.

Posted by BillJohnson at 2024-08-09 08:14 AM | Reply

No. Not when we welcome them in with open wallets they are not. Let's face it. The only reason why this is such a so called issue is Xenophobia. Nothing more.

#60 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2024-08-09 08:17 AM

"Millions and millions of unknown people from God knows where in America illegally."

welcome to America.

It's been going on right in front of your face just like right now....for at least the past 40 years.

Who in their right mind is truly worried about illegals?

Any person with half a brain already knows illegals have been coming here for in droves forever....

www.factcheck.org

nobody but nobody believes the current president or the last president has made a dent in this problem. It's a very very long term challenge no president can fix.

Mostly because it's not really a problem for them to fix....just navigate the political waters.

The Bill Johnson's of the world can pretend they're really up in arms over it...

.....but they're not.

Let's face it. This issue is nothing more than an excuse to support a party or candidate you've already made up your mind about. This issue doesn't matter to you at all.

#61 | Posted by eberly at 2024-08-09 08:54 AM

Eb,

Look around.

America is becoming more lawless.

Laws exist but not enforced.

Liberals are the cause of that.

That trend is getting worse.

Has nothing to do with anyone telling me that.

Just read the news.

Any news.

#62 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2024-08-09 11:56 AM

Back to first post here.

After the election, regardless who wins, we're going to see Biden's border policies reversed.

#63 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2024-08-09 12:00 PM

America is becoming more lawless.

Laws exist but not enforced.

Get out of your maga bubble and stop believing Fixed Spews and Trumpy's lies.

Starting in the early 1990s, crime dropped rapidly in the United States. The causes were complex " owing much to improving economic conditions and innovations in policing strategy. Following a decades-long decline, violent crime rose during the Covid-19 pandemic. In 2020, President Trump's last year in office, murder rates climbed by nearly 30 percent and assault rates by more than 10 percent.

But since 2021, violent crime has started to fall. According to the FBI, as of 2022 violent crime rates had fallen by 4 percent and murder rates by roughly 7 percent since 2020. Preliminary data suggests those declines accelerated in 2023.

There is no evidence of a migrant crime wave, including in New York City, which the former president referred to in his remarks today. To the contrary, statistics indicate that there has been no surge in crime since April 2022, when Texas Gov. Greg Abbott began bussing migrants to New York. Additionally, research reveals that undocumented immigration is associated with a decrease in property crime and additional research finds that Fentanyl is primarily trafficked by U.S. citizens.

www.brennancenter.org

#64 | Posted by donnerboy at 2024-08-09 12:08 PM

62

You're proving my point, Bill.

IT's just the news because immigration is a political wedge issue.

In reality, it's not a bigger problem than it was 40 years ago.

How is it more "lawless" today?

If you can prove that then you can prove how it's more the fault of liberals. Or do you really mean democrats?

Both parties have been doing the same things for years and years and years on this issue while trying to blame the other side for the current "crisis".

It's always a crisis and it's always the other side's fault.

Geez.......I guess some folks just have to stay in the same place on issues and never evolve and rise above the rhetoric.

#65 | Posted by eberly at 2024-08-09 12:08 PM

BellRinger is just posting the same threads over and over again?

Didn't we recently have a thread claiming Harris was some sort of "border Czar", only for no one to be able to explain what a "border czar" is, or why it falls to the vice president to be the "border Czar"?

European Americans are the most entitled xenophobes.

#66 | Posted by ClownShack at 2024-08-09 12:20 PM

Eb,

Look around.

America is becoming more lawless.

And the Republican Party has nominated a felon for their nominee.

That makes hypocrites like BullJohnson jump for joy.

"We hate felons! Vote for Trump, he's a Felon!!"

Republicans. If it were for hypocrisy, they'd have nothing at all.

#67 | Posted by ClownShack at 2024-08-09 12:22 PM

" we're going to see Biden's border policies reversed."

So IOW, the Langford bill.

Republicans could have had what they WANTED.

Now, they'll be forced to accept what they can get, if Trump wins.

The problems would be addressed today, but for Trump. He told Republicans to scuttle their own bill, so he could have it as a campaign issue.

The peak moment came when Republicans decried the situation as "a crisis" ...

... and then went on break, instead of addressing the issue.

Congrats, you now own the border.

#68 | Posted by Danforth at 2024-08-09 12:26 PM

Oh yea, here it is:

-THURSDAY, JULY 25, 2024

-Gaslighting the Public on Kamala Harris as Border Czar'

-POSTED BY BELLRINGER AT 07:40 PM"

drudge.com

BullBringer is a Deplorable Trumping MAGAt.

#69 | Posted by ClownShack at 2024-08-09 12:28 PM

Re 66

If you repeat a lie often enough and loud enough ...

"If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. ". -Goebbels

"that in the big lie there is always a certain force of credibility; because the broad masses of a nation are always more easily corrupted in the deeper strata of their emotional nature than consciously or voluntarily; and thus in the primitive simplicity of their minds they more readily fall victims to the big lie than the small lie, since they themselves often tell small lies in little matters but would be ashamed to resort to large-scale falsehoods."- Hitler (Mein Kampf)

#70 | Posted by donnerboy at 2024-08-09 12:30 PM

Look around.
America is becoming more lawless.
Laws exist but not enforced.
Liberals are the cause of that.
That trend is getting worse.
Has nothing to do with anyone telling me that.
Just read the news.
Any news.
Posted by BillJohnson at 2024-08-09 11:56 AM | Reply

You're full of smelly brown stuffs if you think liberals are the cause of this. You intellecually dishonest partisan hack job. Oh and half wit too.

#71 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2024-08-09 12:30 PM

" Laws exist but not enforced. Liberals are the cause of that."

And in the next breath, he'll back the 34x felon.

Meanwhile, Trump's Christian followers can't name THREE Commandments Trump follows.

#72 | Posted by Danforth at 2024-08-09 12:38 PM

"Both parties have been doing the same things for years and years and years"

Incorrect. Neither party walked away from an 11th hour agreement in the past.

Trump literally told Republicans to kill the bill, so he'd have "the border" as a campaign issue.

Feel free to point to similar Democratic behavior.

#73 | Posted by Danforth at 2024-08-09 01:05 PM

Meanwhile, Trump's Christian followers can't name THREE Commandments Trump follows.

Trump can't name ONE that he follows.

#74 | Posted by Nixon at 2024-08-09 01:19 PM

Hi Laura! You said "You're full of smelly brown stuffs if you think liberals are the cause of this. You intellecually dishonest partisan hack job. Oh and half wit too."

I'd like to point out that "this" doesn't exis. What exists is the opposite of what BillJohnson is saying. I'd also like to point out that it doesn't exist becuase "liberals" (meaning not Trumpers/MAGAts/Republicans affiliated with such groups) are the ones that actually do something about real problems.

#75 | Posted by YAV at 2024-08-09 01:29 PM

73

The border is always a crisis no matter who is in charge.

You WANT this to be a political issue....not an issue that's actually dealt with.

You want to assign ownership of the 40+ year border crisis because a presidential candidate desperate for a win is playing politics with the border.

Fine. Keep at it if it floats your boat.

#76 | Posted by eberly at 2024-08-09 01:38 PM

"You WANT this to be a political issue....not an issue that's actually dealt with. "

I was happy with the Langford bill. But Trump unilaterally demanded it be killed. In your world, who's responsible when one party walks away from an agreement at the 11th hour?

"a presidential candidate desperate for a win is playing politics with the border. "

You could've started and ended with that.

Now, does the Party of Responsibility deserve ANY responsibility?

"Keep it if it floats your boat"

Feel free to explain how the party walking away isn't the party at fault. IOW, deny it, if it floats your boat.

#77 | Posted by Danforth at 2024-08-09 01:44 PM

-I was happy with the Langford bill

I don't know if that would have done any good or not. You seem to think it would....great.

I'm talking about a decades long issue that never changes.

#78 | Posted by eberly at 2024-08-09 01:47 PM

"You could've started and ended with that."

See? this is what I'm talking about. You act like the border crisis began with Trump.....not 40 years earlier. It's nothing but politics to you.

"THE BORDER IS A DISASTER. THE BORDER SITUATION...TOTAL CRISIS. AND IT'S NOT MY FAULT!!!"

-Every politician in existence for the past 50 years.

#79 | Posted by eberly at 2024-08-09 01:55 PM

@#77 ... I was happy with the Langford bill. ...

I viewed it in a similar manner.

It addressed many (most) of the issues surrounding the immigrants seeking asylum, and also provided money for additional border patrols.

Instead of killing it, fmr Pres Trump should have embraced it as a win for the GOP.


#80 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-08-09 01:55 PM

are you guys sure of when you fell in love with the Langford Bill?

You know...James Langford...someone who it's 99% likely you can't stand at all and never have.....sponsors an immigration bill.

You're sure you liked it before Trump killed it.......or......after?

#81 | Posted by eberly at 2024-08-09 02:01 PM

"You act like the border crisis began with Trump"

You act like Trump didn't unilaterally kill a bill Republicans were salivating over. Why won't The Party of Responsibility take ANY responsibility?

"THE BORDER IS A DISASTER. THE BORDER SITUATION...TOTAL CRISIS."

You forget "SO LET'S ADJORN!" At least be honest enough to admit THAT.

#82 | Posted by Danforth at 2024-08-09 02:03 PM

"are you guys sure of when you fell in love with the Langford Bill?"

Why pretend Dems don't want the issue addressed?

"You're sure you liked it before Trump killed it"

Yes.

I was even happy they got some provisions they admitted couldn't be achieved under Trump. Frankly, I'm sick and tired of the constant "open borders" BS claim.

#83 | Posted by Danforth at 2024-08-09 02:05 PM

"I was happy with the Langford bill."

I was not happy with it.

But I also realized it as better than doing nothing and probably the best we could get. Under the circumstances.

It's called a compromise.

#84 | Posted by donnerboy at 2024-08-09 02:07 PM

"I don't know if that would have done any good or not."

Nobody does.

But which way will it turn the Macro dial?

#85 | Posted by Danforth at 2024-08-09 02:08 PM

-Frankly, I'm sick and tired of the constant "open borders" BS claim.

I tuned out that noise sometime during Obama's 1st term.

#86 | Posted by eberly at 2024-08-09 02:11 PM

@#85 ... Nobody does. ...

As the saying goes, the proof is in the pudding.

Whether or not it would solve the problem will not be known because it was not implemented.

It did, though, address major problems with the handling of asylum-seeking immigrants.

But as with many (most?) laws, the effects are not known until after they are enacted.

And that does not make fmr Pres Trump's killing of the bi-partisan-supported bill any better.


#87 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-08-09 02:22 PM

Understand and recognize this is a thread where Trump (really the spineless republicans who withdrew support) is blamed for the border crisis that's intended to be slamming Harris for failing on the border.

It's an unending --- for tat and I wonder if any elections have been decided on the CRISIS! at the border.

I'm going to type "CRISIS!" every time I comment on the border from now on.........

Gotta go.......moving a kid into their college housing.

I remember when my folks helped me like this........NOT.

#88 | Posted by eberly at 2024-08-09 02:32 PM

#88 | Posted by eberly

Congratulations on your kid entering college. You must be very proud :-)

Trump had two years of unitary control with a GOP Congress.

Did he demand immigration reform? Did he stop it when he was president?

HA HA, no, he didn't.

Just like he didn't get infrastructure done. Just like he didn't actually have a plan to replace the ACPPA (affordable care and patient protection act, which benefits everyone, even the privately insured).

#89 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2024-08-09 03:33 PM

Did he stop it (illegal immigration) when he was president?

Numbers now are lower than at any point in Trump's presidency.

#90 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2024-08-09 03:34 PM

" I'm going to type "CRISIS!" every time I comment on the border from now on........."

Just be sure you type "MOVE TO ADJOURN" immediately afterwards each time as well!

You know, for the full "Republican" experience.

#91 | Posted by Danforth at 2024-08-09 03:34 PM

-Congratulations on your kid entering college. You must be very proud :-)

Thanks! Actually, it's her senior year....graduates with a degree in Biosystems Engineering next May.

Her older sister graduates with a law degree same time next May. Glad to get those off my payroll.........

#92 | Posted by eberly at 2024-08-09 06:37 PM

-Did he demand immigration reform? Did he stop it when he was president?

I don't remember anything except the political criticisms of everything being done. The wall, separation of families, detention centers, etc....all that stuff.....tossed around like the political football it is to career politicians.

and it will be moving forward. I sincerely hope Harris wins and gets something done on the border.....but I'm not going pay attention to the pundits grabbing each other over it day after day.

#93 | Posted by eberly at 2024-08-09 06:40 PM

Dan,

"Meanwhile, Trump's Christian followers can't name THREE Commandments Trump follows"

Is that a litmus test for running for office?

Who will be in charge of evaluating each candidate?

You bringing this up.over and over isn't making you look dumb.

It makes you look like you must be fighting personal demons that haunt you.

You seem obsessed with judging. You aren't at peace and it comes across.

#94 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2024-08-09 07:23 PM

Eb,

'Glad to get those off my payroll'

Get what off payroll?

#95 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2024-08-09 07:29 PM

@#16 ... when Biden made her border czar. ...

Got an official link for that?

I'm sure the White House press office would put out a PR on the WH website if that had occurred.

So, what's yer got?


#96 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-08-09 07:40 PM

@#94 ... Is that a litmus test for running for office? ...

Maybe for a candidate who seems to be so desperately going after Cristian support.


But that is up to the Christian voters to decide, i.e., how much of a hypocrite they want to be by supporting fmr Pres Trump.


#97 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-08-09 07:43 PM

#92 | Posted by eberly

Further congratulations on both counts :-) Quite an accomplishment!

#98 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2024-08-09 07:48 PM

Numbers now are lower than at any point in Trump's presidency.

#90 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY

This is false, it's only lower than last year
www.cbp.gov

#99 | Posted by oneironaut at 2024-08-09 07:49 PM

Lamp,

"But that is up to the Christian voters to decide"

You understand the reality of the sitution.

You just don't like it.


#100 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2024-08-09 07:55 PM

@#99 ... This is false, it's only lower than last year
www.cbp.gov ...

Thank-you for posting thoat link, which includes all points of entry, not just the southern border.

From the link in #99...

... Encounter data includes U.S. Border Patrol (USBP) Title 8 Apprehensions, Office of Field Operations (OFO) Title 8 Inadmissibles, and Title 42 Expulsions* for fiscal years (FY) 2020, 2021, 2022, and 2023. Data is available for the Northern Land Border, Southwest Land Border, and Nationwide (i.e., air, land, and sea modes of transportation) encounters. ...

Which goes back to something I have been posting for years now...

A refresher...

An excerpt from the Border Patrol Union webpage that was deleted during fmr Pres Trump's term:
web.archive.org


  • Walls and fences are temporary solutions that focus on the symptom (illegal immigration) rather than the problem (employers who knowingly hire illegal aliens).

  • Walls and fences are only a speed bump. People who want to come to the United States to obtain employment will continue to go over, under, and around the walls and fences that are constructed.

  • Walls and fences will undoubtedly result in an increase in fraudulent documents and smuggling through the Ports of Entry.

  • Walls and fences do not solve the issue of people entering the country legally and staying beyond the date they are required to leave the country, a problem which will undoubtedly increase as more walls and fences are constructed.

  • So, your current alias' #99 seems to admit that building a wall on the southern border won't solve the illegal immigration problem.


    #101 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-08-09 08:00 PM

    @#100 ... You just don't like it. ...

    Why do you think I don't like it?

    People voting their conscience.

    Why would I not like that?

    Indeed, I don't have to live with their possible internal conflicts and hypocrisy regarding who they vote for, they do.

    But they voted and, contrary to the current GOP's thinking (can you say Georgia? I knew you could), I welcome them voting even though I may not agree with who they vote for.



    #102 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-08-09 08:04 PM

    " Is that a litmus test for running for office?"

    No, it's simply a Jeremiad against so-called Christians who vote for a guy breaking all the main rules.

    Anyone you know?

    #103 | Posted by Danforth at 2024-08-09 08:39 PM

    This troll thread is doing pretty well.

    Much better than BullBringer's last attempt at strawman politics and bullshht.

    BullBringer, it's only August and you have won my vote for biggest troll of the year.

    #104 | Posted by ClownShack at 2024-08-09 08:40 PM

    Do us a favor Bill:

    Post the description of the anti-Christ from the Bible.

    Then point out any differences between that, and Trump.

    #105 | Posted by Danforth at 2024-08-09 08:44 PM

    BullJohnson is an affront to Jesus.

    He's a living hypocrite and is Christian in name only.

    Like most Republicans.

    #106 | Posted by ClownShack at 2024-08-09 08:46 PM

    @#104 ... This troll thread is doing pretty well.

    Much better than BullBringer's last attempt at strawman politics and bullshht. ...

    Yeah, the Bellringer current alias has seemed to pride itself upon number of replies to its comments.

    Never mind any truth or reality behind those comments, the number of replies seems to be the goal.

    So, yeah, the "troll" appellation of that current alias seems apropos.




    #107 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-08-09 08:58 PM

    the [BullBringer] current alias has seemed to pride itself upon number of replies to its comments.
    Never mind any truth or reality behind those comments, the number of replies seems to be the goal.

    Kinda like Trump.

    #108 | Posted by ClownShack at 2024-08-09 10:08 PM

    @#108

    Yup.

    #109 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-08-09 10:39 PM

    I don't know why you are so hung up on this.
    #14 | POSTED BY BELLRINGER

    You're the one that posted a thread as though the article's author has any authority on the matter. Are you that obtuse?

    #110 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2024-08-09 11:26 PM

    'Replacement theory' fuels extremists and shooters. Now a top Border Patrol agent is spreading it.
    www.usatoday.com

    Aaaaahhhh! Now it makes sense! This is the guy JEFFJ has been sucking off.

    Replacement theory, eh JEFFJ?

    You're a fnkcin' bigot. Time for you to admit it.

    #111 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2024-08-09 11:29 PM

    "Kamala Harris Is the Border Czar"

    Let's just add "Czar" to Bellringer's Dictionary, shall we?

    And let's be serious: responsibility and authority go hand in hand. You want to call her a Czar? Fine. Give her those powers, and THEN evaluate.

    Calling a powerless person a "czar" just proves stupidity. Responsibility without authority is bullschittt. Same with authority without responsibility.

    #112 | Posted by Danforth at 2024-08-09 11:31 PM

    Democrats and the left used to tout replace,ent theory before Trump brought it up. They talked about how a shrinking proportion of white voters to the overall voting population would result in the GOP becoming a permanent minority party based on how blacks and Latinos vote.
    #31 | POSTED BY BELLRINGER

    Post evidence, be specific.

    We're done with you presenting platitudes and BS as though they are facts.

    Swallow it.

    #113 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2024-08-09 11:31 PM

    Calling a powerless person a "czar" just proves stupidity. Responsibility without authority is bullschittt. Same with authority without responsibility.
    #112 | POSTED BY DANFORTH

    There's a reason the Republican House impeached Mayorkas because of the border situation and NOT Biden, let alone Harris.

    JEFFJ is willfully ignoring that reason. And it's glaring.

    Another hole in JEFFJ's credibility. When is the damn gonna break with this -----?

    #114 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2024-08-09 11:34 PM

    "Democrats and the left used to tout replacement theory"

    I call bullschitt.

    I've been on this blog for almost two decades. I've NEVER seen that claim.

    Link or stink. My bet: you're lying, once again.

    #115 | Posted by Danforth at 2024-08-09 11:35 PM

    "Another hole in JEFFJ's credibility."

    FFS, Bellringer is the Swiss cheese of credibility.

    #116 | Posted by Danforth at 2024-08-09 11:36 PM

    To me, that is insane.
    #34 | POSTED BY BELLRINGER

    Now do Trump.

    #117 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2024-08-09 11:37 PM

    @#116 ... Bellringer is the Swiss cheese of credibility. ...

    Hey, hold on there.

    That's an insult to Swiss Cheese.

    I like Swiss Cheese.

    ;)

    #118 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-08-09 11:42 PM

    "Millions and millions of unknown people from God knows where in America illegally."
    welcome to America.
    It's been going on right in front of your face just like right now....for at least the past 40 years.
    Who in their right mind is truly worried about illegals?
    Any person with half a brain already knows illegals have been coming here for in droves forever....
    www.factcheck.org
    nobody but nobody believes the current president or the last president has made a dent in this problem. It's a very very long term challenge no president can fix.
    Mostly because it's not really a problem for them to fix....just navigate the political waters.
    The Bill Johnson's of the world can pretend they're really up in arms over it...
    .....but they're not.
    Let's face it. This issue is nothing more than an excuse to support a party or candidate you've already made up your mind about. This issue doesn't matter to you at all.
    #61 | POSTED BY EBERLY

    Slam fnkcing DUNK!

    The bears are repeating:

    Let's face it. This issue is nothing more than an excuse to support a party or candidate you've already made up your mind about. This issue doesn't matter to you at all.

    #119 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2024-08-09 11:44 PM

    "Hey, hold on there. That's an insult to Swiss Cheese."

    Apologies.

    I never meant to impugn the hole-y-ness.

    #120 | Posted by Danforth at 2024-08-09 11:49 PM

    Any news.
    #62 | POSTED BY BILLJOHNSON

    Your so stuck in your bubble. MOST news outlets are covering the DROP in crime rate, especially as it relates to violent crime rate.

    Recent data indicates that crime rates in the United States are experiencing a significant decline, particularly in violent crime categories. Here are the key findings:

    Decline in Violent Crime Rates
    Historical Decrease: Between 1993 and 2022, the violent crime rate fell by 49%, with substantial reductions in specific categories such as robbery (down 74%) and aggravated assault.

    2023 Trends: Preliminary data for 2023 suggests a continued decline in crime. The murder rate decreased by 13% from 2022, and violent crime overall dropped by 6%. The first quarter of 2024 showed even more dramatic reductions, with the murder rate falling by 26.4% and overall violent crime down by 15.2% compared to the same period in 2023.

    Public Perception vs. Reality
    Despite the statistical decline in crime, public perception remains skewed. Many Americans believe that crime is increasing, with surveys indicating that a significant majority (around 77%) think there is more crime than the previous year. This discrepancy highlights a gap between actual crime trends and public sentiment, which often reflects fears and media portrayals rather than statistical realities.

    Factors Contributing to Crime Reduction
    Experts suggest that multiple factors may be contributing to the decline in crime rates, including:
    Increased Police Presence: Efforts to bolster police forces and community policing initiatives may have played a role in reducing crime rates, although some areas have seen police staffing shortages.

    Societal Changes: Broader societal factors, such as economic recovery post-pandemic and targeted community programs, may also influence crime trends.

    Complex Interactions: The relationship between crime rates and policing is complex; for instance, some cities are seeing crime reductions despite reduced police numbers, indicating that factors beyond law enforcement are at play.


    And here's your news links:
    www.npr.org
    www.brennancenter.org
    www.fd.org
    www.nbcnews.com
    www.pewresearch.org

    Fnkc you, BILLJOHNSON. People like you are the absolute problem with American discourse. You spread nothing but misinformation because you are so fnkcin scared of your own shadow.

    Once again, the bears are repeating: Fnkc You BILLJOHNSON.

    Swallow it.

    #121 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2024-08-09 11:49 PM

    @#55 ... Millions and millions of unknown people from God knows where in America illegally.

    I do not disagree. But the "millions and millions that the GOP asserts seems to be higher than the actual numbers.

    That aside...

    Yeah, I have always said that if you are in this country illegally, that is wrong.

    So....

    Why do red-state companies seem to prefer to hire those illegal immigrants?

    I'll offer my opinion on that ...

    1) their labor is cheap, so good for profits

    2) the immigrants can be subject to abusive work conditions, but they cannot complain to the government (e.g., OSHA) because they would be deported if they did.


    As the Border Patrol union seems to state, the problem is not the immigrants but the companies that endeavor to hire them to boost their profits.

    Do I need to post a link to the CBP union webpage *again*?


    #122 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-08-09 11:52 PM

    Is that a litmus test for running for office?
    #94 | POSTED BY BILLJOHNSON

    God damn well be for Republicans, considering the relativity of what they push as Christians.

    Fact of the matter is, you can't even defend Trump's ignorance of the Bible or ANYTHING related to Christianity in general. Now you move the goal posts because undoubtedly YOU of all people would love for your Republican POTUS candidate to be even SOMEWHAT knowledgeable of your favorite, "divine" text. Too bad for you, your current candidate is not only ignorant of the Bible's text, let alone it's teachings, he's willfully ignorant because he doesn't bother to read ANYTHING. Not even a presidential briefings, which has been extensively documented.

    "Is that a litmus test..."

    You dumb fnkcing hypocrite. YES! For you and your ilk, it god damn absolutely is.

    Swallow it.

    #123 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2024-08-09 11:59 PM

    "As the Border Patrol union seems to state, the problem is not the immigrants but the companies that endeavor to hire them to boost their profits."

    And that's ALWAYS been the point. It seems it's Republican sheriffs, in Republican counties, with Republican members of the Chamber of Commerce, who always happen to be the largest contributors to the sheriff's re-election campaign.

    Attacking immigration without going after the hirers is the height of self-inflicted stupidity. NO ONE comes without the implied promise of jobs.

    Related question: what should we do about American companies advertising in foreign newspapers for illegal workers?

    #124 | Posted by Danforth at 2024-08-10 12:03 AM

    Cool tune that just popped up on a playlist here...

    Mission - Deliverance (1990)
    www.youtube.com

    On the playlist here, it is "Mission UK" not "Mission." I wonder why?

    Oh...

    The Mission (band)
    en.wikipedia.org(band)

    ... The Mission (known as the Mission UK in the United States) are an English gothic rock band formed in 1986. Initially known as the Sisterhood, the band was started by frontman Wayne Hussey and bassist Craig Adams (both from the Sisters of Mercy), soon adding drummer Mick Brown (Red Lorry Yellow Lorry) and guitarist Simon Hinkler (Artery and Pulp). Aside from Hussey, the lineup has changed several times during the years and the band has been on hiatus twice.[1][2] ...

    OK, they are not the first band I've seem add "UK" to there name in the US.

    Another was the Chameleons UK.

    They had a tune...

    Chameleons - Swamp Thing - 1986
    www.youtube.com

    Kind of a fun tune, fwiw.

    But the CD I have bills them as Chameleons UK.


    There must have been some legal issue there....




    #125 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-08-10 12:03 AM

    Attacking immigration without going after the hirers is the height of self-inflicted stupidity. NO ONE comes without the implied promise of jobs.
    Related question: what should we do about American companies advertising in foreign newspapers for illegal workers?
    #124 | POSTED BY DANFORTH

    As EBERLY most astutely pointed out, this has been the same conversation without a solution for 40+ years. Nobody on either side of the aisle wants to go after big or small business as it relates to this topic.

    Idiots like BILLJOHNSON are apoplectic to ensure the immigration CRISIS! is front and center for Trump. It's all they have: Lies, hyperbole, and fear mongering. It's an old play, one in which in recent history has been unsuccessful. Bush Jr's reign jaded a lot of folks.

    #126 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2024-08-10 12:07 AM

    Rsty,

    "Idiots like BILLJOHNSON are apoplectic to ensure the immigration CRISIS! is front and center"

    www.politico.com

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