Wednesday, October 23, 2024

Trump Wanted Generals Like Hitler's

Donald Trump's longest-serving chief of staff is warning that the Republican presidential nominee meets the definition of a fascist and that while in office, Trump suggested that Nazi leader Adolf Hitler "did some good things."

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... The comments from John Kelly, the retired Marine general who worked for Trump in the White House from 2017 to 2019, came in interviews with both The New York Times and The Atlantic. They build on a a growing series of warnings from former top Trump officials as the election enters its final weeks.

Kelly has long been critical of Trump and previously accused him of calling veterans killed in combat "suckers" and "losers." Still, his new warnings came just two weeks before Election Day, as Trump seeks a second term vowing to dramatically expand his use of the military at home and suggesting he would use force to go after Americans he considers "enemies from within."

"He commented more than once that, You know, Hitler did some good things, too,'" Kelly recalled to The Times. Kelly said he would usually quash the conversation by saying "nothing (Hitler) did, you could argue, was good," but that Trump would occasionally bring up the topic again.

In his interview with The Atlantic, Kelly recalled that when Trump raised the idea of needing "German generals," Kelly would ask if he meant "Bismarck's generals," referring to Otto von Bismarck, the former chancellor of the German Reich who oversaw the unification of Germany.

"Surely you can't mean Hitler's generals," Kelly recalled asking Trump. To which the former president responded, "Yeah, yeah, Hitler's generals." ...


#1 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-10-23 12:42 PM

I hope he meant like the ones that wanted to blow Hitler to pieces.

#2 | Posted by LegallyYourDead at 2024-10-23 02:17 PM

@#2

I doubt it, given his propensity for wanting to use the military against those who disagree with him.

#3 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-10-23 02:47 PM

"The Sad, Pathetic Spectacle of John Kelly's Critics
Trump's sycophants want us to trust them over our own eyes and ears.

excerpt after quotes from Trump sycophants...

"Are we supposed to believe that this is all about some personal tiff between Kelly and Trump when so many others have so many similar accounts?

When Trump's former vice president, Mike Pence, told us that "the American people deserve to know that President Trump asked me to put him over my oath to the Constitution" on January 6th?

When James Mattis said Trump's "use of the presidency to destroy trust in our election and to poison our respect for fellow citizens has been enabled by pseudo political leaders whose names will live in infamy as profiles in cowardice"?

When Mark Esper said Trump was "unfit for office," and put "himself before country"?

When John Bolton warned that "this will be a retribution presidency"?

When Ty Cobb said Trump's "conduct and mere existence have hastened the demise of democracy and of the nation"?

When Mark Milley called Trump "fascist to the core" and "the most dangerous person to this country"?

When Bill Barr said Trump "shouldn't be anywhere near the Oval Office"?

I have another idea:

Why don't we accept the obvious truth that is staring us in the face? Trump is dangerous and unfit and all the responsible people who served in his last term have told us as much."

www.thebulwark.com

#4 | Posted by Corky at 2024-10-23 04:30 PM

"Donald Trump is increasingly unhinged and unstable, and in a second term, people like John Kelly would not be there to be the guardrails against his propensities and his actions. Those who once tried to stop him from pursuing his worst impulses would no longer be there and no longer be there to rein him in," Harris said.

Harris said that the remarks relayed by Kelly showed that Trump "does not want a military that is loyal to the United States constitution".

"He wants a military who will be loyal to him, personally, one that will obey his orders, even when he tells them to break the law or abandon their oath to the constitution of the United States," she said.

Posing the question as a stark choice for US voters going to the polls for the presidential election on 5 November, she added:

"We know what Donald Trump wants. He wants unchecked power. The question in 13 days will be what do the American people want."

www.theguardian.com

#5 | Posted by Corky at 2024-10-23 04:48 PM

Umm, are there any generals available who are like "Hitler's generals"?

Did he name names? Can anybody name names?

#6 | Posted by eberly at 2024-10-23 04:49 PM

@#5 ... Harris said that the remarks relayed by Kelly showed that Trump "does not want a military that is loyal to the United States constitution".

"He wants a military who will be loyal to him, personally, one that will obey his orders, even when he tells them to break the law or abandon their oath to the constitution of the United States," she said. ...

Yup. That seems to be the case.

From what I remember from high school history...

Hitler Oath
en.wikipedia.org

... The Hitler Oath (German: Fhrereid or Fhrer Oath)"also referred in English as the Soldier's Oath[1]"refers to the oaths of allegiance sworn by officers and soldiers of the Wehrmacht and civil servants of Nazi Germany between the years 1934 and 1945.

The oath pledged personal loyalty to Adolf Hitler rather than loyalty to the constitution of the country.

Historians view the personal oath of the Third Reich as an important psychological element to obey orders for committing war crimes, atrocities, and genocide.[2] During the Nuremberg trials, many German officers unsuccessfully attempted to use the oath as a defence against charges of war crimes and crimes against humanity.[3] ...[emphasis mine]

So, maybe this is one of the "good things" that fmr Pres Trump thinks that Hitler did?



#7 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-10-23 06:50 PM

Trump wanting generals like Hitler's is what's made Elon Musk his right hand man.

#8 | Posted by ClownShack at 2024-10-23 06:55 PM

are there any generals available who are like "Hitler's generals"?

Are there people in America, who hate Jews and gays and socialists and liberals and progressives?

Looks like you found your generals.

#9 | Posted by ClownShack at 2024-10-23 06:56 PM

Don't Forget about hating transgenders and Immigrants!

Hell. There are a handful of eager generals right here on the DR.

#10 | Posted by ClownShack at 2024-10-23 06:58 PM

Not much right wing response to this disclosure. Which speaks volumes.

#11 | Posted by moder8 at 2024-10-23 07:26 PM

This tune just popped up on a playlist here. Coincidence?

While My Guitar Gently Weeps - Prince, Tom Petty, Jeff Lynne and Steve Winwood(2004)
www.youtube.com

The performance is from the 2004 Hall of Fame induction ceremony for George Harrison.

It is becoming my favorite performance of this awesome tune.

And kudos to Prince and that amazing guitar playing near the end of the song. Such a tribute.

#12 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-10-23 07:54 PM

I think that plenty of people wanted trump's generals to be like general Rommel.

#13 | Posted by bus_driver at 2024-10-23 10:50 PM

@#13 ... I think that plenty of people wanted trump's generals to be like general Rommel. ...

Too soon to tell ...

Erwin Rommel
en.wikipedia.org

... In 1944, Rommel was implicated in the 20 July plot to assassinate Hitler. Because of Rommel's status as a national hero, Hitler wanted to eliminate him quietly instead of having him immediately executed, as many other plotters were.

Rommel was given a choice between suicide, in return for assurances that his reputation would remain intact and that his family would not be persecuted following his death, or facing a trial that would result in his disgrace and execution; he chose the former and took a cyanide pill.[8]

Rommel was given a state funeral, and it was announced that he had succumbed to his injuries from the strafing of his staff car in Normandy. ...


#14 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-10-24 12:05 AM

Rommel would not be a good example. He was one of those Generals who thought he was better at Generalling than Herr Lewzer. Not tolerated.

#15 | Posted by REDIAL at 2024-10-24 12:12 AM

Which "good things" did Hitler do?

He ended up blowing his brains out in a country with large swaths reduced to rubble and divided up between Russia and the Allies.

#16 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2024-10-24 04:25 AM

Trump knows what he is doing, it is all about the darkness that resides in the key Electoral "College" states, people he needs to show up and vote for him, people who hate Jews, as well as those with Black and Brown skins, and, of course, women who have a brain.
it helped Trump win in 2016, and in this election he is both courting the Netanyahu far right Israeli vote, and the Nazi vote.

#17 | Posted by Hughmass at 2024-10-24 07:10 AM

Honestly he is the stupidest, most poorly educated person to run for POTUS in my lifetime. Hitler's generals tried on several occasions to KILL him, I wish his generals were more like those of Combover Quisling's life coach, Adolf Hitler. Other than that, Hitler's generals were idiots.

#18 | Posted by _Gunslinger_ at 2024-10-24 10:54 AM

Did he name names? Can anybody name names?

#6 | POSTED BY EBERLY

He indicated that he preferred the generals who "defeated" ISIS.

He didn't name them because he probably can't remember who any of them were. Probably because it was Iraqi and Syrian armed forces (backed by America) that finally "defeated" ISIS in Iraq.

#19 | Posted by donnerboy at 2024-10-24 11:06 AM

You might be a Nazi if....

But Republicans don't care.

#20 | Posted by Sycophant at 2024-10-24 11:27 AM

-He didn't name them because he probably can't remember who any of them were

I'm not saying there aren't any like Trump wants....but I doubt he knows who they are.

I agree Hugh....I think the point of this is to recruit voters.

#21 | Posted by eberly at 2024-10-24 11:33 AM

It is very deeply concerning that liberals actually take opinionated statements made by someone who was fired by the person they are talking about. It doesn't matter if it is a Dem or a Rep, if the person was fired I rarely ever take their opinions about that person as valid. But, partisan blinders just makes people do this for some reason.

#22 | Posted by humtake at 2024-10-24 12:20 PM

HumTrig is still disappointed he was born too late to load Jewish women and children onto Hitler's cattle cars.

#23 | Posted by reinheitsgebot at 2024-10-24 12:23 PM

Basically, he wants people he can shoot if they don't do what he says. More like Little Kim in NK. He wants a Gestapo that can round up whoever displeases him.

#24 | Posted by morris at 2024-10-24 01:39 PM

#22 | Posted by humtake at 2024-10-24 12:20 PM

Ok, try what he has actually said, himself.
The guy, and the people surrounding him, are full on Fascists. When they talk about silencing networks that accurately report on him, shooting reporters and rounding up Pelosi, Schiff and others, that's full on Fascism and I'm hating on all the networks and papers for sanesplaining this crap.

#25 | Posted by morris at 2024-10-24 01:51 PM

It is very deeply concerning that liberals actually take opinionated statements made by someone who was fired by the person they are talking about.

It's deeply concerning because it's more than one general. It's pretty much all of them saying the same thing.

I think that the only thing you are "deeply concerned" about is keeping your cult idol out of prison.

That would not sit well with your corrupt world view or your ego.

#26 | Posted by donnerboy at 2024-10-24 02:22 PM

It is very deeply concerning that liberals actually take opinionated statements made by someone who was fired by the person they are talking about. It doesn't matter if it is a Dem or a Rep, if the person was fired I rarely ever take their opinions about that person as valid. But, partisan blinders just makes people do this for some reason.

#22 | Posted by humtake

So all a fascist pyscho has to do is fire everyone and you'll never believe a bad word about them.

#27 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2024-10-24 02:26 PM

Those who do not learn from history are doomed to say " I need the kind of Generals that Hitler had" and still somehow be statistically tied in all the battleground states.

-Stephen Colbert

#28 | Posted by donnerboy at 2024-10-24 02:51 PM

Very deeply concerning. Ha!

Humtake, you're a riot.

#29 | Posted by cbob at 2024-10-24 06:20 PM

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