Thinking Biden and Harris Were Weak on the Border's Wrong

Here's the actual problem with Trumpers: They're ignorant. Totally. Fully. Completely.

They stay inside their own bubble and have no idea what happens outside. Reality is called that because it's REAL. There are receipts for every single thing that was done which has gotten us to today - the lowest level of attempted border crossings since the last decade. There are records being kept. The books are not cooked.

Just because they don't know about something doesn't mean that it isn't true. Real changes are what the title refers to and here are the details:

Under the LA declaration, the Biden-Harris administration has secured unprecedented cooperation to curb irregular migration. Today, for example, Mexico is doing more to stem irregular migration to the United States than it has ever done before. The administration also created alternatives to irregular migration so that individuals fleeing Cuba, Haiti, Nicaragua, and Venezuela - the primary sources of instability in the hemisphere - could come to the United States in a sponsored, orderly fashion and be able to legally work shortly after arrival so as to contribute to U.S. prosperity and enhance stability in their home countries without delay.

Critically, the LA declaration built on successful migrant integration efforts in Latin America and spurred multiple countries to create new temporary legal status programs for migrants in order to stabilize these populations and to provide an alternative to migrating further. In May 2024, countries such as Ecuador, Colombia, and Costa Rica at the third ministerial meeting on the LA declaration announced regularization programs for various irregular migrant populations - building on the nearly 2 million Venezuelans who had already been provided status in Colombia alone. Today, more than 80 percent of those displaced in Latin America and the Caribbean have found a home in the region and have not proceeded to the U.S.-Mexico border.

They have no earthly idea that Biden and Harris made this happen. They don't know what it is and they refuse to consider its effect on lowering the numbers of migrants appearing at our borders trying to cross.

Ignorance isn't bliss, it's simply the state of partisan know-nothings - wallowing in it - still trying to deny that the hard work put in by Biden and Harris has caused the drop of migrants trying to cross our southern border. Never trust nor listen to the ignorant for they don't even know what they don't know.

More information and the link for the above paragraphs:

Aug 5, 2024

Vice President Kamala Harris and Migration in the Americas: Setting the Record Straight

Achieving sustainable order at the U.S.-Mexico border - something all Americans rightly expect - is possible only through working on migration at all points along the migratory chain that extends into Latin America and well beyond. Vice President Harris' work in northern Central America and the Biden-Harris administration's efforts through the LA declaration have set the United States up for precisely that kind of sustained order - but only if elected leaders turn away from weaponizing immigration and work on real solutions.

When Trump made it hard for illegals to enter our country all I heard over here is how inhumane he was. Now that it's a huge issue in this election, the Democrats want to project a tough stance on illegal immigration onto Joe and Kamala.

It was inhumane to separate families seeking refuge in America.

This isn't about "projecting" anything. It's about the very thing Trumpers continue to mock out of their own ignorance: Dealing with migration at the source, not just at our own border. This isn't what should be done, it's what already has been done that now finds us with the lowest number of migrants in over 5 years.

But none of the critics above will bother to read what they don't know. They'll continue to wrongly call me a purveyor of false information, when I'm not. The LA Declaration is real and it's been working to stop migration at its source. And in conjunction with other countries, a system has been created and actuated that keeps migrants in their home countries or other countries between their homes and the US.

This is a plan, and it's been working as we see from current border crossing statistics.

Migrant crossings at the US' southern border drop again amid campaign year scrutiny

September 30, 2024

They undid all of the Trump policies that were proven to be effective.

#2 | Posted by BellRinger

Notice BellRinger can NEVER name the policies.

Another result of TERRIBLE messaging by Biden/Harris.

#2 | Posted by BellRinger

Didn't watch the video did you? Folks like you only understand something is being done when they see piles of people at the wall being denied entry and kids in kennels. Note that policies and negotiation seem to be both more effective and humane.

"When Trump made it hard for illegals to enter our country all I heard over here is how inhumane he was. Now that it's a huge issue in this election, the Democrats want to project a tough stance on illegal immigration onto Joe and Kamala."

In all our lifetimes, politicians have been massive hypocrites on this issue.

Look at the campaign ads this cycle. It's been the same forever.

All our ills are due to illegal immigration. LOL

The dems ignore the problem because they want new voters

The repubs ignore the problem because they want the cheap labor for their donors.

These accusations have been the same forever and they won't ever change.

Because this system works as intended. We NEED the labor, we really aren't scared of letting these people in despite the faux outrage during an election. It's absolutely necessary to have them here. Come illegally or legally. Nobody really gives a crap either way. If they manage to stand up and actually stand firm on a policy....they're going to be branded a racist.

2009 400 Barack Obama
2010 400 Barack Obama
2011 350 Barack Obama
2012 300 Barack Obama
2013 350 Barack Obama
2014 450 Barack Obama
2015 500 Barack Obama
2016 400 Barack Obama
2017 300 Donald Trump
2018 400 Donald Trump
2019 500 Donald Trump
2020 300 Donald Trump
2021 1,700 Joe Biden
2022 2,300 Joe Biden
2023 2,400 Joe Biden
2024 2,500 Joe Biden

I wonder what that middle number represents.

oh right, the number of illegals seeking to enter the US, by the hundred thousand.

So 1.5 million for Don. 8.9 million for Biden.

It's not a winnable issue for Dems, and explains Tony's marching orders to come tell everybody how great they're doing despite it being the #2 campaign issue only behind inflation.

Don't know where you're getting your numbers.
Citation would be good.

Also - border crossings don't count.
It's how many people remained.

#17 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2024-10-31 10:43 AM | Reply | Flag: Unimpeachable source of sitz' information

despite it being the #2 campaign issue only behind inflation.

#17 | POSTED BY SITZKRIEG

Good thing Trumpy killed that border bill (that would have helped) so that he could keep it a campaign issue.

Is this where SANTOSKRIEG claims he voted for Harris.

I did find that the ass that information came from was the House Republican report - which calls it "encounters" and then cites 1.7 million as "gotaways" (assumed entered illegally, but no real proof of that or just fear drove them to "get away").

The fact is, however, Republicans have turned this into a story that they do well pushing. They leverage misinformation and misrepresentation of the data actually is all about.

"behind inflation".

And speaking of inflation (which is under control again) we have yet to see any detailed plan by Trumplicans to reduce the cost of living for Americans.

Can you name one thing Trumpy has proposed that reduce prices for middle class Americans?

This is definitely in the top 5 most dishonest things I've seen posted here.
When Trump made it hard for illegals to enter our country all I heard over here is how inhumane he was. Now that it's a huge issue in this election, the Democrats want to project a tough stance on illegal immigration onto Joe and Kamala.
#8 | Posted by lfthndthrds

People objected to Trump's family separation policies. It turns out that when he prioritized family separations, he deprioritized criminals crossing the board:

Donald Trump has portrayed his immigration policies as good for public safety. He said this month that he had the "safest" immigration policy in history. However, data obtained by the Cato Institute through the Freedom of Information Act challenges this narrative. The newly uncovered information shows that while the Trump administration (2017"2020) was prioritizing prosecutions of migrant parents, separating families, and banning asylum, it also released criminals, including those who went on to commit crimes.

During the height of family separation, Trump deprioritized prosecuting migrants with criminal histories to instead spend resources on separating families;

While Trump poured resources into detaining asylum seekers, he also released nearly 58,184 noncitizens with criminal records, including 8,620 violent criminals and 306 murderers;

www.cato.org

#25 - Ouch! And that was from CATO (which used to be banned here)!

#25 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2024-10-31 11:20 AM | Reply | Flag: Amazingly Newsworthy

PS In order to prioritize family separations, Trump undid Obama's immigration priorities:

On his fourth day in office, Trump signed an executive order rescinding Obama-era policies that prioritized the detention and removal of serious public safety threats;

Within a few months, his administration was secretly separating families, using prosecutorial resources to jail migrant parents and focusing resources on visa overstays, not serious criminals;

So, yes, Obama and now Biden (Harris) were/are better on the border than the demagogue Trump.

Don't know where you're getting your numbers.
Citation would be good.

#18 | Posted by YAV at 2024-10-31 10:48 AM | Reply | Flag:

The estimates in this summary draw upon various sources that analyze migration trends, including data and reports from the following:

Department of Homeland Security (DHS) " Annual immigration reports, which provide insights into unauthorized border crossings and adjustments made due to enforcement and policy changes.

Pew Research Center " Studies on U.S. immigration trends, including estimates on the unauthorized immigrant population, often derived from government data and their own research.

Migration Policy Institute (MPI) " Regular reports on immigration trends, including unauthorized migration, with adjustments based on policy impacts.

Customs and Border Protection (CBP) " Yearly apprehension and entry statistics, which provide a rough proxy for attempted and successful illegal crossings, especially under changing administrative policies.

Center for Immigration Studies (CIS) " Various reports, especially for later years like 2021-2024, estimating border apprehensions and entry success rates under different enforcement conditions.

Each source contributes specific data points or trends used to approximate unauthorized entry estimates and respond to enforcement levels at the border. Some values are interpolated based on year-over-year trends due to the varying granularity of available data.

It's almost like people outside the US view us Dems as the party of open borders, instead of being the most vigorous deporters.

They undid all of the Trump policies that were proven to be effective.

Including sh*tlers policy of releasing criminals from jail (who then went on to commit more crimes) to make room for parents and children seeking asylum to be punished?

Clueless what a citation is, Sitz? I don't think so. So why are you copy/pasting without the citation?

#8 | Posted by lfthndthrds

His treatment of them, in particular children, was indeed inhumane. Kids watching other kids including infants and toddlers separated from their parents and put in dog kennels? Christ man. We are the richest "Christian" nation in the world and that's the best the GOP "Christians" can manage?

It wasn't that he was trying to limit illegal immigration that was the problem. The video also nicely points out the surge underway at the end of his presidency. It's like trying to blame Obama for the economic collapse that started on Bush's watch.

What is amazing is that under Biden and without the help of Congress and the GOP, Biden and Kamala turned the flow around. That said, there is no way anyone actually "secures" the border. Israel can't secure the border to Gaza from Egypt which is like a mile long and pretty flat yet we are going to secure 2000 miles with Mexico and that doesn't include the ocean... Keep in mind the Northern border also needs it now.

It's almost like people outside the US view us Dems as the party of open borders, instead of being the most vigorous deporters.

#30 | Posted by sitzkrieg

Or it depends entirely upon conditions in the places they are coming from.

Who would have guessed?

Remember the migrant caravan you all whined about in 2018? So it wasn't real because Trump was in office? Or it was real and it was based upon conditions in the places they were coming from?

Laughable gaslighting. Like the missing apostrophe.

#35 | Posted by visitor_

We covered this topic previously, you smooth-brained, mouth-breathing knuckle-dragger.

You're welcome.

Oh, and Happy Anniversary ! ! !

If not for the Democrat long time historic anti USA policy of open borders we Americans would be living in a safe peaceful affluent educated society with great neighbors of similar values and opportunities for American citizens instead of for others.

Democrat politicians always work for themselves and elites and outsiders instead of you. They never work for you. NEVER!

#37 | Posted by Robson

Which party brought healthcare to 20 million uninsured poor people and which party cut taxes for the rich?

Immigrants of every kind have been a Net Plus for the US Economy for decades now

And they are much less likely to commit crimes.

The reason rwingers don't know these things is because they are facts... which causes a lot of the blank staring we see from Trumpers.

If immigrants are such an economic benefit, why are sanctuary cities begging for bailouts?

#40

Did I mention blank stares and the inability to consume facts? I think I did.

www.bushcenter.org

If they weren't weak this thread wouldn't exist.

#42 | Posted by oneironaut

The 2020 election wasn't stolen yet there were tons of threads about that.

If immigrants are such an economic benefit, why are sanctuary cities begging for bailouts?

#40 | Posted by visitor_

If immigrants aren't an economic benefit how come rich republican donors wanted to keep them coming in?

Consider that something that benefits one group might be a negative to another group or the whole.

It's not wrong though

#45

You mean something like Trump's tax cuts for himself and his Billionaire Boys Club?

Which is a negative for everyone else who has to pay it back.

And those top level cuts have never trickled down. Look it up.

The gaslighting is absolutely hilarious.

You are what is absolutely hilarious.

Have been for years now.

Patriotic American Republicans are supporting Harris. The rest are supporting and or obfuscating for a criminal traitor.... because they 'think' they are owning them some libs!

Pathetic.

Biden and Harris have been disastrous on the border, to a point where it's pretty clearly deliberate.

To pretend that they haven't been is beyond ridiculous. The data speak for itself.

All I can do is point and laugh at the absurd attempt at gaslighting. It's hilarious given how absurd it is.

That's what I do when I read your posts!

I agree that Biden and Harris were very strong on the border. They wanted to flood the country with as many illegals as possible and did everything they could to encourage and allow it. They used executive orders, direct flights, and appealed directly to the illegals with promises of free ----. And they got exactly what they wanted with 10M+ illegals flooding the country in 4 years.

#53 | Posted by: deadman (new) | Serious level

"#53 | Posted by: deadman (new) | Serious level
#54 | Posted by Hans"

I hope you get the help you need. Barring that, maybe you can ask Yav to have gay sex with you to cheer you up - you are married, right?

#53 | Posted by deadman:

First there was this ...

Do you honestly think something went wrong on the server side to repost 1000+ times by Hans or was he sitting in his basement continuously hitting the publish comment button with ever growing incel rage until it finally posted 1000+ times? My bet is that someone's mom didn't bring the pizza rolls in time and Hans was rage hitting submit while likely screaming the n-word at the top of his lungs. Thankfully, he likely resides in a windowless basement so no one was exposed to his racial abuse.

#18 | Posted by deadman at 2024-10-17 08:23 PM

...and then there was this...

#18 | Posted by: deadman | Flag: Serious level

Interestingly enough, this is post #18.

"Any significantly advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic."

#22 | Posted by Hans at 2024-10-17 08:58 PM

This is just way too easy.

"This is just way too easy.
#56 | Posted by Hans"

What is too easy? You having gay sex with Yav? On that, I guess I would agree with you for married men.

" You having gay sex with Yav? "

Closeted Ira Goldberg wants to know!

"Closeted Ira Goldberg wants to know!
#58 | Posted by Danforth"

Sorry that I omitted you as an expert on the topic with your 2000+ guys blown in your career.

Why is it most of what DeadClaudio talks about is pedophiles, queers, and himself?

Freud knows.

"What is too easy? You having gay sex with Yav?"

#57 | Posted by deadman

Nope.

This what I mean is too easy:

#8 | Posted by deadman (new) | Flag: Thinks I'm Arnold Palmer

But I am flattered, deadman

You're welcome.

"talks about is pedophiles, queers, and himself?
#60 | Posted by Corky"

Well, there is me and then a bunch of Democrats. So, we have myself and then we have a bunch of queers and pedophiles. So, how would it not be possible? It is like shooting a gun at a Democrat rally and hitting a pedophile and 2 other violent felons like Rittenhouse did - this is the likely result if you shoot 3 random Democrats. On this board, I can pick 3 random Democrat posters and get at least 1 pedo and 2 to 3 queers.

"#61 | Posted by Hans"

I guess we can call it progress when you stop obsessing over Trump's dick so you can focus on Arnold Palmer's dick instead. Not a great leap forward, but it may be your first step in curing your TDS.

So. tell us more about how you hang out with queers and pdophiles...

... and toe tapping in public restrooms with Republican politicians and former wrestling coaches.

Ok. please don't.

But s'riously, should Log Cabin Republicans watch out for you as a Privare One Clown Firing Squad?

"So. tell us more about how you hang out with queers and pdophiles...
#64 | Posted by Corky"

I am here posting - so, it is self-evident.

What's self-evident is that you aren't even bright enough to get the point that queers are not limited to one Party.

Of course, you may have a form of shell shock by now with all the things that fly over your head.

"...it is self-evident."

#65 | Posted by deadman

Self-evident?

So is this:

First there was this ...

Do you honestly think something went wrong on the server side to repost 1000+ times by Hans or was he sitting in his basement continuously hitting the publish comment button with ever growing incel rage until it finally posted 1000+ times? My bet is that someone's mom didn't bring the pizza rolls in time and Hans was rage hitting submit while likely screaming the n-word at the top of his lungs. Thankfully, he likely resides in a windowless basement so no one was exposed to his racial abuse.

#18 | Posted by deadman at 2024-10-17 08:23 PM

...and then there was this...

#18 | Posted by: deadman | Flag: Serious level

Interestingly enough, this is post #18.

"Any significantly advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic."

#22 | Posted by Hans at 2024-10-17 08:58 PM

This is just way too easy.