Wednesday, February 19, 2025

Europe Preps Huge Defense Package in Boost to Ukraine

European officials are working to put together a multibillion dollar package aimed at boosting collective security in the region and supporting Ukraine in what will be the largest of its kind so far, German Foreign Minister Annalena Baerbock said over the weekend.

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The U.K. newspaper Financial Times reported on Monday that Trump intends to give in to Putin's demands to withdraw U.S. troops from former Soviet nations, including the Baltics.

The $700 billion isn't just aid to Ukraine, but for rebooting Europe's defense industry.

In less than a month, Hair Furor has alienated our allies and undermined decades of relationship-building, leading Europe to abandon the US military industrial complex in favor of strengthening its own.

Good job MAGAts, hope those defense industry layoffs don't smack you in the butt too hard on your way to the unemployment office.

#1 | Posted by censored at 2025-02-18 04:31 PM

I think you meant we are forcing them to foot more of the bill. Glad it's finally happening.

#2 | Posted by Bluewaffles at 2025-02-18 04:33 PM

---- off you Russian stooge.

#3 | Posted by LegallyYourDead at 2025-02-18 04:36 PM

I think you meant we are forcing them to foot more of the bill. Glad it's finally happening.
#2 | Posted by Bluewaffles

Sure, they're footing more of the bill. And they're also building their own weapons because they realize that they can't rely upon the US when the chips are down, even when there is no doubt which side we should be on.

Wear that MAGAt had with pride. Or swap it out for an ushanka. They mean about the same thing at this point.

#4 | Posted by censored at 2025-02-18 04:43 PM

They've always built their own weapons. Typhoon, Challenger, Lepoard (spelling), Gepard, Rafale, Famas, HK, etc, etc, etc, etc... They never built them in volume, and we know for 100% certainty they do not have the volume to sustain a modern conflict.

#5 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2025-02-18 04:51 PM

Censored genuine question ... Are Republicans Nazis or Communists now? It's hard to keep up.

#6 | Posted by Bluewaffles at 2025-02-18 05:02 PM

#5 | Posted by sitzkrieg

Yes, they've always built their own. And now they know they can't rely on US, they have every incentive to increase their own production and cut the US out of the equation wherever possible. With the side-effect of encouraging them to push their own weapon sales abroad.

Censored genuine question ... Are Republicans Nazis or Communists now? It's hard to keep up.
#6 | Posted by Bluewaffles

I think you might be conflating Republicans with MAGAts. It's an easy mistake to make as there is significant overlap. But there is stark difference between Dwight Eisenhower, Richard Nixon, Reagan, the Bushes and their voters from the Orange Miscreant and his supporters.

And Russia isn't communist. Its fascist.

Ruscism, a portmanteau of Russian fascism, is a neologism and a derogatory term which is used to describe the political ideology and policies of the Russian state under Vladimir Putin. It is used in reference to the Russian state's autocratic political system, ultranationalism and neo-imperialism, militarism, expansionism, corporatism, close alignment of church and state, political repression, use of censorship and state propaganda, and a cult of personality around Putin.
en.wikipedia.org
Pretty much describes the MAGAt mentality to the tee, swapping out Hair Furor for Putin.

#7 | Posted by censored at 2025-02-18 05:21 PM

#5

Russia can't sustain "a modern conflict" you ------- idiot.

#8 | Posted by LegallyYourDead at 2025-02-18 10:05 PM

They should be spending more for their own defense. Even Obama bitched about it.

#9 | Posted by BellRinger at 2025-02-18 11:11 PM

They should be spending more for their own defense. Even Obama bitched about it.

Posted by BellRinger at 2025-02-18 11:11 PM | Reply

That's rich using Obama to bolster an argument of your's Jeff. Just sayin

#10 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2025-02-18 11:19 PM

Obama rightly pointed out they were spending less than the agreed upon 2% minimum of GDP and were freeloading off the US for defense. Trump amped up the same during his first term.

#11 | Posted by BellRinger at 2025-02-18 11:22 PM

The US has surrendered as the defender of the free world.

What a sad day in history.

#12 | Posted by Nixon at 2025-02-19 09:29 AM

Seeing Censored get So Upset makes me even more glad that Trump is doing this.

Hey Bozo, Israel is the only problem now. Trump is as on the wrong side history on that as he is on the right side on this.

Israel needs to build and fund their own Gear.

They are Parasites.

Too bad Trump has his head up his Ass. Israel and Ukraine both needed cutting off.

Trump continues to fund and Arm the Hebrew Genocide of Palestinians.

That is a greater problem than cutting off Ukraine. Which should never have been Incited to fight a War they couldn't Win in the first place.

The NATO alliance is weakening by the day.

Russia isn't.

#13 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2025-02-19 10:48 AM

- Russia isn't.

Russian economy since invading Ukraine....

"Valuation of Russian state-owned companies has collapsed even more, with Gazprom losing 75% of its value. The tax income Russian government receives from foreign companies also decreased by 75%.

Numerous sectors of Russian economy collapsed by as much as 90%, energy export revenues dropped by 50%."

more

en.wikipedia.org

#14 | Posted by Corky at 2025-02-19 10:57 AM

Now do Ukraine.

They are a basket case totally dependent on foreign aid to even continue as a coherent society.

They made a bad bet when they let NATO get them be Stupid.

Saddam made the same mistake when he thought the US would back his Regime because they did against Iran.

Kuwait wasn't included. Oops.

#15 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2025-02-19 11:25 AM

- they let NATO get them be Stupid

Nato turned them down and told them it would be years before they could even apply for Membership again.

Or do you mean they were Stupid to FORCE Vlad to invade them targeting their citizens?

#16 | Posted by Corky at 2025-02-19 11:40 AM

Ukraine went full Israel in the Donbass. They Oppressed and attempted to ethnic cleanse the people of the Donbass. NATO encouraged them. NATO made big promises they couldn't or wouldn't keep.

The Ukrainian leadership just assumed the West to be trustworthy.

Bad Assumption. That's why they are stupid. Thinking the US was reliable.

Russia has been hurt by the war but Ukraine has been devastated.

All to please Western Vampires.

NATO doesn't give a ---- about the Ukraine. They used them as a Patsy.

I bet that doesn't happen again soon. The US is not Agreement Capable.

We break every treaty we've ever signed going back to the Indian Wars.

Ukraine didn't know who they were getting snookered by.

But hey, a lot of criminals got Rich doing it.

#17 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2025-02-19 12:22 PM

#17

You are just WRONG on the Facts:

"In April 2014, Russian-backed militants seized towns in Ukraine's eastern Donbas region and proclaimed the Donetsk People's Republic (DPR) and the Luhansk People's Republic (LPR) as independent states, starting the Donbas war.

Russia covertly supported the separatists with its own troops, tanks and artillery, preventing Ukraine from fully retaking the territory. In February 2015, Russia and Ukraine signed the Minsk II agreements, but they were never fully implemented in the years that followed."

en.wikipedia.org

#18 | Posted by Corky at 2025-02-19 12:28 PM

They Oppressed and attempted to ethnic cleanse the people of the Donbass.
ROFL
Like all those poor Germans in the Sudetenland, right?
Putin just needs an Anschluss then we can all live in peace.

This mutt is like Nevil Chamberlain if Chamberlain also had a head injury and syphilis.

Remember, every time he accuses Israel of "ethnic cleansing" this is the standard he is using.

#19 | Posted by BluSky at 2025-02-19 01:33 PM

Israel is a different case. They are Far worse than anything Ukraine even attempted.

75 years of ethnic cleansing, and Racist Expansionist drivel.

Whiny Complaining about being a "Victim".

While murdering and stealing everything they could.

Ukraine at least was defending itself, after the Russian invasion.

Israel is just a bunch of murdering punks. Hiding behind the US military umbrella while they slaughter Children.

Sick ----------.

#20 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2025-02-19 02:48 PM

"Censored genuine question ... Are Republicans Nazis or Communists now? It's hard to keep up."

National socialists

#21 | Posted by dibblda at 2025-02-19 07:52 PM

If America doesn't sell weapons to the rest of the world, what do we have left to export?

Maybe Trump can sell weapons to Russia.

We already sell them to the Saudis.

#22 | Posted by ClownShack at 2025-02-19 08:04 PM

Russia can't sustain "a modern conflict" you ------- idiot.

#8 | Posted by LegallyYourDead at 2025-02-18 10:05 PM | Reply

You on the spectrum?

Russia is sustaining a modern conflict. This is what it looks like.

#23 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2025-02-20 08:03 AM

Russia is sustaining a modern conflict.

#23 | Posted by sitzkrieg

?

If so they are doing a bad job.

#24 | Posted by Zed at 2025-02-20 08:23 AM

Russia is sustaining a modern conflict.

#23 | Posted by sitzkrieg

Against the poorest nation in Europe? Against what they once considered a fourth-rate adversary?

One million Russian casualties?

Donald Trump is going to win Russia's war for them. They are not able to do it on their own.

#25 | Posted by Zed at 2025-02-20 08:35 AM

Russia is sustaining a modern conflict. This is what it looks like.

#23 | POSTED BY SITZKRIEG

I guess that means we are uber awesome too.

We sustained one for 20 years in Afghanistan.

Just how well did that work out for us? Well at least I didn't have to learn Pashto. Whew.

#26 | Posted by donnerboy at 2025-02-20 11:23 AM

Russia is sustaining a modern conflict. This is what it looks like.

#23 | Posted by SITZKRIEG

Ah, yes, the modern tactic of throwing thousands of troops into the meat grinder. Never seen anything like it.

#27 | Posted by Derek_Wildstar at 2025-02-20 12:47 PM

"Ah, yes, the modern tactic of throwing thousands of troops into the meat grinder. Never seen anything like it."

Yep, just like the human wave attacks in the Iran/Iraq war decades ago. Brilliant strategy.

On the plus side, NK sent its best troops to be slaughtered willy nilly. Talk about a paper tiger. Looks like SK has very little to worry about if NK tries an invasion.

#28 | Posted by dibblda at 2025-02-20 01:12 PM

Israel needs to build and fund their own Gear.

They are Parasites.

Too bad Trump has his head up his Ass. Israel and Ukraine both needed cutting off.

Trump continues to fund and Arm the Hebrew Genocide of Palestinians.

That is a greater problem than cutting off Ukraine. Which should never have been Incited to fight a War they couldn't Win in the first place.

The NATO alliance is weakening by the day.

Russia isn't.

#13 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2025-02-19 10:48 AM | Reply | Flag:
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Sure. these conflicts both started and were not close to ending while Biden was in office and you voted for them to continue for decades. So don't preach to anyone about foreign policy. These will both end when Trump is in office and you will still be angry.

#29 | Posted by fishpaw at 2025-02-20 01:23 PM

These will both end when Trump is in office and you will still be angry.

Not sure the news reached you yet, but Trump is in office.

Well. Mostly at the golf course.

Also. Not to worry.

He's gonna hand the Ukraine over to Putin and built some resorts in Gaza.

#30 | Posted by ClownShack at 2025-02-20 03:20 PM

Or do you mean they were Stupid to FORCE Vlad to invade them targeting their citizens?

#16 | Posted by Corky

It seems like Ukraine stupid to relinquish their nukes, expecting the US to protect them.

#31 | Posted by Whatsleft at 2025-02-20 05:44 PM


en.wikipedia.org
#18 | POSTED BY CORKY

For non political/technical items wiki is a fine resource. But for stuff like this Wiki is a overly biased resource.

#32 | Posted by oneironaut at 2025-02-20 05:55 PM


It seems like Ukraine stupid to relinquish their nukes, expecting the US to protect them.

#31 | POSTED BY WHATSLEFT

Yes, American foreign policy is helter skelter.

#33 | Posted by oneironaut at 2025-02-20 05:56 PM

We sustained one for 20 years in Afghanistan.
~ DonnerBot

Against a non-peer enemy, and lost.

#34 | Posted by oneironaut at 2025-02-20 05:57 PM

#31

Yeah... I bet they never do that again. Especially after Trump started touting Russian false propaganda about Zelenski.

Still incredible to me that Trump tried to make Zelenski sign over their mineral rights for nearly nothing by sliding a Contract over to him at the meeting table.

#35 | Posted by Corky at 2025-02-20 05:58 PM


Ah, yes, the modern tactic of throwing thousands of troops into the meat grinder. Never seen anything like it.
#27 | POSTED BY DEREK_WILDSTAR

Not since Korea

#36 | Posted by oneironaut at 2025-02-20 05:58 PM

Yeah... I bet they never do that again. Especially after Trump started touting Russian false propaganda about Zelenski.

LOL the war started under Biden, and he encouraged the "incursion"

Still incredible to me that Trump tried to make Zelenski sign over their mineral rights for nearly nothing by sliding a Contract over to him at the meeting table.

FDR did something similar to the UK before signing LendLease Act.

#37 | Posted by oneironaut at 2025-02-20 06:00 PM

IAMRUNT, your child-raping hero surrendered American military bases to his superiors in Moscow.

#38 | Posted by reinheitsgebot at 2025-02-20 06:03 PM

#32

You just sound dumber with every post.

What I posted is well-accepted historical fact available anywhere, no matter the source.

#39 | Posted by Corky at 2025-02-20 06:03 PM

The war started in 2014 in Vlad's first attempt.

1Nut is basically your brain deprived of oxygen.

#40 | Posted by Corky at 2025-02-20 06:05 PM

Give Ukraine their nuclear weapons back ASAP! Give a few hundred to Taiwan while we're at it too!

#41 | Posted by Wildman62 at 2025-02-20 06:26 PM


Give Ukraine their nuclear weapons back ASAP! Give a few hundred to Taiwan while we're at it too!
#41 | POSTED BY WILDMAN62

Might be too late


The war started in 2014 in Vlad's first attempt.

Did WWI Start Aug 1914? Did WWII start in 1940? Did Vietnam start 1965?

Corky clearly doesn't understand history, or historical events. They are not isolated incidents, and its inaccurate to view them as stand-alone events, with clear-cut beginnings and ends.

#42 | Posted by oneironaut at 2025-02-20 06:42 PM

#42

More lame Whataboutisms, no Retort to the point.

So, another day, same ------- Trumper.

#43 | Posted by Corky at 2025-02-20 07:53 PM

@#40 ... The war started in 2014 in Vlad's first attempt. ...

Yup.

When Pres Putin invaded a sovereign Ukraine, in violation of the treaty it had signed, that's when the war started.


#44 | Posted by LampLighter at 2025-02-20 08:07 PM

More lame Whataboutisms, no Retort to the point.
- corky

History isn't whataboutism.

History is a stream of interleaving events.

#45 | Posted by oneironaut at 2025-02-20 08:17 PM

When Pres Putin invaded a sovereign Ukraine, in violation of the treaty it had signed, that's when the war started.
- gaslighter

Yup, in Violation of the US pledge to come to Ukraines aid.

Which is why Ukraine gave up the weapons, not because of putins word, it was the word of the US.

#46 | Posted by oneironaut at 2025-02-20 08:19 PM

In fact to gaslighter and corky are outlining the maga position on Ukraine.

"How long should US have to support Ukraine treaty?"

The Trilateral Process: The United States, Ukraine, Russia and Nuclear Weapons
www.brookings.edu

#47 | Posted by oneironaut at 2025-02-20 08:30 PM

@#43 ... More lame Whataboutisms, ...

Exactly.

History is about treaties and agreements signed.

e.g., The Budapest Memo,

drudge.com



#48 | Posted by LampLighter at 2025-02-20 09:07 PM

History is about that,
And revisionists, liars, propagandists, and useful idiots use "whataboutism" as a deflection to further their lies, their obfuscations.

#49 | Posted by YAV at 2025-02-20 09:16 PM

No wonder China is such a mess what with 1.4 billion 1Nuts shouting gibberish all the time.

#50 | Posted by Corky at 2025-02-20 11:00 PM

And revisionists, liars, propagandists, and useful idiots use "whataboutism" as a deflection to further their lies, their obfuscations.

There's no whataboutism, I was merely pointing out to the uneducated, like Corky, that all wars have pretexts leading up to the actual violence.

American education system failed you and corky, I really can't help that.

#51 | Posted by oneironaut at 2025-02-20 11:20 PM

And revisionists, liars, propagandists, and useful idiots use "whataboutism" as a deflection to further their lies, their obfuscations.

There's no whataboutism, I was merely pointing out to the uneducated, like Corky, that all wars have pretexts leading up to the actual violence.

American education system failed you and corky, I really can't help that.

#52 | Posted by oneironaut at 2025-02-20 11:22 PM

American education system failed you and corky

Dullard, have you figured out if Baldwin Park is in California?

#53 | Posted by reinheitsgebot at 2025-02-20 11:25 PM

- no whataboutism,

"Did WWI Start Aug 1914? Did WWII start in 1940? Did Vietnam start 1965?"

Does Musk charge you much for the lying lessons? Or does it come naturally?

#54 | Posted by Corky at 2025-02-20 11:27 PM


History is about treaties and agreements signed.
e.g., The Budapest Memo,
drudge.com
#48 | POSTED BY LAMPLIGHTER

Its not a treaty it's an agreement. Agreements are broken all the time.

This is what MAGAtS have been claiming since the war broke out "How long do we need to support Ukraine"

Now you, Corky and Yav are claiming the same thing.

Morally, the USA was one of Ukraine's guarantors of security when it convinced Ukraine to give up the arsenal of nuclear weapons it inherited when the Soviet Union collapsed in 1991.

If America is interested in a world where human rights and democracy retain any value, it should have prevented Putin from colonizing free peoples.

But it didn't, it failed horribly, even enticed Russia to invade through provication, Biden even said a "minor incursion" was OK.

#55 | Posted by oneironaut at 2025-02-20 11:36 PM

"Did WWI Start Aug 1914? Did WWII start in 1940? Did Vietnam start 1965?"
#54 | POSTED BY CORKY

Its a description of history you uneducated illiterate, you can't say wars start without a leading up to the reasons.

Its not a deflection but a description of historic reality, that WARs have pretexts that go back years if not decades.

Just look at the Isreali-Palestinian conflict in Gaza, are you so stupid as to say it started Oct 7th 2023?

#56 | Posted by oneironaut at 2025-02-20 11:38 PM

Poor Oneiamnot.

The rock I threw apparently smacked him. I wasn't even aiming.

#57 | Posted by YAV at 2025-02-20 11:40 PM


The rock I threw apparently smacked him. I wasn't even aiming.
#57 | POSTED BY YAV

LyinYav you couldn't fall out of a boat and hit water.

#58 | Posted by oneironaut at 2025-02-20 11:42 PM

- uneducated illiterate

So, the ESL problems are worse than we thought.

- Just look at the Isreali-Palestinian conflict

(sighs) Yet another Whataboutism. The topic is Ukraine, in case you didn't notice.

Try to focus.

#59 | Posted by Corky at 2025-02-20 11:43 PM

I notice you can't argue my point.

Not surprising really for any of you, uneducated American idiots.

#60 | Posted by oneironaut at 2025-02-20 11:43 PM


Yet another Whataboutism.

You don't even understand English at this point, and its your native tongue.
.

#61 | Posted by oneironaut at 2025-02-20 11:46 PM

#60

You are completely pointless.

- uneducated... idiots

Is that as opposed to educated idiots?

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

We should keep you around just for the ---- and giggles.

#62 | Posted by Corky at 2025-02-20 11:47 PM

@#62 ... You are completely pointless ...

Oh, so I am not the only one who has noticed that.

A random current alias that seems to post more degrading comments of others than informative comments.

Can you say, troll?

I knew you could.

              :)

#63 | Posted by LampLighter at 2025-02-20 11:55 PM

Runt is getting dragged bigly tonight.

#64 | Posted by reinheitsgebot at 2025-02-20 11:56 PM

@#64 ... Runt is getting dragged bigly tonight. ...

Likely because the only tools it seems to have in its quiver are ad hominem attacks.

#65 | Posted by LampLighter at 2025-02-21 12:06 AM

Likely because the only tools it seems to have in its quiver are ad hominem attacks.

I rather like his "LyinYav" nick name for me. It makes me feel naughty. "Naughty boy! LyinYav!"
It also makes me giggle. It's just so - stupid silly.

#66 | Posted by YAV at 2025-02-21 09:03 AM

Against the poorest nation in Europe? Against what they once considered a fourth-rate adversary?

#25 | Posted by Zed at 2025-02-20 08:35 AM | Reply | Flag:

Ukraine is a near-peer adversary for them.

Ukraine started the war with more operational tanks the the UK, Germany, France, and Italy combined, before they were given M1A1, Leaps, Challengers, etc.

Currently the UK has 25 combat ready Challengers.

#67 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2025-02-21 01:32 PM

Russia is sustaining a modern conflict. This is what it looks like.

#23 | Posted by SITZKRIEG

Ah, yes, the modern tactic of throwing thousands of troops into the meat grinder. Never seen anything like it.

#27 | Posted by Derek_Wildstar at 2025-02-20 12:47 PM | Reply | Flag:

Russia is sustaining a modern conflict. This is what it looks like.

Ukraine won't lower the draft age. Ukraine needs bodies. Ukrainians are beating up draft officers already.

Ukraine can't generate enough troops to hold the line. Period.

It's like Democrats are in a denial race against Trump to see who can stay the dumbest ----.

#68 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2025-02-21 01:36 PM

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