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#18 | POSTED BY CORKY

For non political/technical items wiki is a fine resource. But for stuff like this Wiki is a overly biased resource.

It seems like Ukraine stupid to relinquish their nukes, expecting the US to protect them.

#31 | POSTED BY WHATSLEFT

Yes, American foreign policy is helter skelter.

We sustained one for 20 years in Afghanistan.
~ DonnerBot

Against a non-peer enemy, and lost.

Ah, yes, the modern tactic of throwing thousands of troops into the meat grinder. Never seen anything like it.
#27 | POSTED BY DEREK_WILDSTAR

Not since Korea

Yeah... I bet they never do that again. Especially after Trump started touting Russian false propaganda about Zelenski.

LOL the war started under Biden, and he encouraged the "incursion"

Still incredible to me that Trump tried to make Zelenski sign over their mineral rights for nearly nothing by sliding a Contract over to him at the meeting table.

FDR did something similar to the UK before signing LendLease Act.

Give Ukraine their nuclear weapons back ASAP! Give a few hundred to Taiwan while we're at it too!
#41 | POSTED BY WILDMAN62

Might be too late

The war started in 2014 in Vlad's first attempt.

Did WWI Start Aug 1914? Did WWII start in 1940? Did Vietnam start 1965?

Corky clearly doesn't understand history, or historical events. They are not isolated incidents, and its inaccurate to view them as stand-alone events, with clear-cut beginnings and ends.

More lame Whataboutisms, no Retort to the point.
- corky

History isn't whataboutism.

History is a stream of interleaving events.

When Pres Putin invaded a sovereign Ukraine, in violation of the treaty it had signed, that's when the war started.
- gaslighter

Yup, in Violation of the US pledge to come to Ukraines aid.

Which is why Ukraine gave up the weapons, not because of putins word, it was the word of the US.

In fact to gaslighter and corky are outlining the maga position on Ukraine.

"How long should US have to support Ukraine treaty?"

And revisionists, liars, propagandists, and useful idiots use "whataboutism" as a deflection to further their lies, their obfuscations.

There's no whataboutism, I was merely pointing out to the uneducated, like Corky, that all wars have pretexts leading up to the actual violence.

American education system failed you and corky, I really can't help that.

And revisionists, liars, propagandists, and useful idiots use "whataboutism" as a deflection to further their lies, their obfuscations.

There's no whataboutism, I was merely pointing out to the uneducated, like Corky, that all wars have pretexts leading up to the actual violence.

American education system failed you and corky, I really can't help that.

History is about treaties and agreements signed.
e.g., The Budapest Memo,
drudge.com
#48 | POSTED BY LAMPLIGHTER

Its not a treaty it's an agreement. Agreements are broken all the time.

This is what MAGAtS have been claiming since the war broke out "How long do we need to support Ukraine"

Now you, Corky and Yav are claiming the same thing.

Morally, the USA was one of Ukraine's guarantors of security when it convinced Ukraine to give up the arsenal of nuclear weapons it inherited when the Soviet Union collapsed in 1991.

If America is interested in a world where human rights and democracy retain any value, it should have prevented Putin from colonizing free peoples.

But it didn't, it failed horribly, even enticed Russia to invade through provication, Biden even said a "minor incursion" was OK.

"Did WWI Start Aug 1914? Did WWII start in 1940? Did Vietnam start 1965?"
#54 | POSTED BY CORKY

Its a description of history you uneducated illiterate, you can't say wars start without a leading up to the reasons.

Its not a deflection but a description of historic reality, that WARs have pretexts that go back years if not decades.

Just look at the Isreali-Palestinian conflict in Gaza, are you so stupid as to say it started Oct 7th 2023?

The rock I threw apparently smacked him. I wasn't even aiming.
#57 | POSTED BY YAV

LyinYav you couldn't fall out of a boat and hit water.

I notice you can't argue my point.

Not surprising really for any of you, uneducated American idiots.

Yet another Whataboutism.

You don't even understand English at this point, and its your native tongue.
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