Saturday, March 08, 2025

Gavin Newsom Breaks with Dems on Trans Athletes in Sports

California Gov. Gavin Newsom, a pioneer for LGBTQ+ rights who decades ago upset leaders in his own party when he defied state law and issued marriage licenses to same-sex couples, suggested Democrats were in the wrong in allowing transgender athletes to participate in female college and youth sports. "I think it's an issue of fairness, I completely agree with you on that. It is an issue of fairness " it's deeply unfair," Newsom said in his debut podcast episode of "This is Gavin Newsom." "I am not wrestling with the fairness issue. I totally agree with you."

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Let the irrational liberal shrieking commence!

It's a loser issue. The sooner Dems wrap their heads around that, the sooner we can start focusing on stuff that actually matters and might help win some elections.

#1 | Posted by censored at 2025-03-06 11:08 PM

@#1 ... It's a loser issue. The sooner Dems wrap their heads around that, the sooner we can start focusing on stuff that actually matters and might help win some elections. ...

I am not convinced of that.

The Democrats have provided nothing to counter the issues (imo, mostly lies) the Republicans have raised regarding trans-sexual people.

Yes, people.


Regarding the topic of trans-sexual people participating in sports ...

My current view is ...

Should the big-business of sports adjust itself to how humans are?

Or should humans have to adjust themselves to how the big business of sports views them?


Stated differently, why are we allowing corporate interests decide who people are?

#2 | Posted by LampLighter at 2025-03-06 11:26 PM

He's afraid of lawsuits by the dear fuhrer err leader. Typical cowardous. Not surprised however.

#3 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2025-03-06 11:28 PM

@#3 ... He's afraid of lawsuits by the dear fuhrer err leader. Typical cowardous. Not surprised however. ...

My guess would be that Gov Newsom is kissing the ring of Pres Trump to get Federal help for the Americans affected by the wildfire catastrophes that have occurred in California.

If you want something from Pres Trump, you have to kiss his ring.

(and, in case you do not see the apparent equivalence I place upon "kissing his ring" and "sucking up to his most ample derriere," well what can I say?)



#4 | Posted by LampLighter at 2025-03-06 11:49 PM

The Democrats have provided nothing to counter the issues (imo, mostly lies) the Republicans have raised regarding trans-sexual people.
Yes, people. Regarding the topic of trans-sexual people participating in sports ...
My current view is ... Should the big-business of sports adjust itself to how humans are?
Or should humans have to adjust themselves to how the big business of sports views them?
Stated differently, why are we allowing corporate interests decide who people are?
#2 | Posted by LampLighter

It's not just big businesses that care. Plenty of women sacrifice quite a bit to excel in their sport.

This isn't about kissing Trump's ring. Newsom has national aspirations and even Democrats don't support trans women in women's sports.

NYT poll finds majority of Democrats oppose transgender athletes in women's sports
A recent New York Times/Ipsos survey found the vast majority of Americans, including a majority of Democrats, don't think transgender athletes should be permitted to compete in women's sports.

Of the 2,128 people who participated, 79% said biological males who identify as women should not be allowed to participate in women's sports.

Of the 1,025 people who identified as Democrats or leaning Democrat, 67% said transgender athletes should not be allowed to compete with women.

Among 1,022 Republicans, that number was 94%.
nypost.com

There is a reason that males and females are segregated in pretty much every sport involving physical strength. If that is not patently obvious, I doubt there's anything I can do to change that (although I once posted a breakdown of the single-digit to double-digit differences in males-females in muscle mass, lung capacity, heart size, height, weight, etc and noted that many sports come down to tenths of a second difference in separating winners from losers).

As Newsom focused on, this is about fairness to the women competitors.

#5 | Posted by censored at 2025-03-07 10:22 AM

Fairness matters. Compassion matters. These are winning strategies. Think about the things Jesus said.

Pretty sure Jesus never sold gold bibles. Or gold ---------. -------- has quite the collection.

#6 | Posted by LegallyYourDead at 2025-03-07 04:17 PM

There should be no problem with trans people participating in any sport as long as the transition is complete AND their hormone levels are within the "normal" range for their new gender.

#7 | Posted by FedUpWithPols at 2025-03-08 06:06 AM

There should be no problem with trans people participating in any sport as long as the transition is complete AND their hormone levels are within the "normal" range for their new gender.
#7 | Posted by FedUpWithPols

'Female' hormone levels don't entirely eliminate sex-based advantages trans competitors have in muscle mass, muscle distribution, height, weight, etc...

#8 | Posted by censored at 2025-03-08 09:14 AM

This is something that each sport to decide for themselves.

It's also completely overblown in terms of the overall impact to sports.

#9 | Posted by snoofy at 2025-03-08 10:03 AM

Or gold ---------. -------- has quite the collection.

#6 | Posted by LegallyYourDead at 2025-03-07 04:17 PM | Reply | Flag

You have quite the imagination, fagat. But thank you for always thinking about me.

#10 | Posted by lfthndthrds at 2025-03-08 11:17 AM

I, for one, find men taking over women spaces quite amusing. Didn see that coming, did they?

#11 | Posted by itchypossum at 2025-03-08 11:33 AM

Don't know what, if anything, Newsom intends running for in 2026. He's term limited from another go at the governorship that election. Ultimately, he's seems to have quite the presidential hankering.

#12 | Posted by Doc_Sarvis at 2025-03-08 11:38 AM

It's also completely overblown in terms of the overall impact to sports.

#9 | POSTED BY SNOOFY

Shamelessly blowing things completely out of proportion is a maga maroon superpower.

#13 | Posted by donnerboy at 2025-03-08 11:51 AM

Of the 2,128 people who participated, 79% said biological males who identify as women should not be allowed to participate in women's sports.

Why is this about Trump? He's just implementing the will of the great majority of people. Men smashing women at sports is ridiculous.

#14 | Posted by itchypossum at 2025-03-08 11:54 AM

"Why is this about Trump?"

Why is anything about Trumpy?

Because the criminally negligent narcissist sick bloated ego that Trumpy is wants everything in the world to be about Trumpy, of course.

Trumpy was right about everything and now it's Trumpy's world!

We just live in it.

#15 | Posted by donnerboy at 2025-03-08 12:10 PM

Well.

There goes his hopes of winning the presidency.

#16 | Posted by ClownShack at 2025-03-08 12:15 PM

There goes his hopes of winning the presidency.

#16 | Posted by ClownShack at 2025-03-08 12:15 PM | Reply | Flag

He couldn't win on his current path. There's far fewer people who think this nonsense is OK than you'd like to believe. On the contrary, Newsom is centering himself, he's a lot of things, but he's not stupid. I wonder how much he paid Charlie Kirk for the interview? Even told Charlie his son was a huge fan.

#17 | Posted by lfthndthrds at 2025-03-08 12:21 PM

"There goes his hopes of winning the presidency."

Yeah I don't think that's a deal breaker.

Actually most "normies" don't give a ---- about this nonissue and realize that these kinds of things will always work themselves out.

The only ones freaking out about this issue are the not so normies l like bozo and leftturd and Dingaling.

I promise you that four years from now this will be a complete nonissue and totally forgotten especially compared to what we all will be dealing with by then.

#18 | Posted by donnerboy at 2025-03-08 12:33 PM

Newsom is an idiot.

He's just proving to all of us that he is NOT presidential material. Trans rights are human rights, and he's just given ALL of us a huge middle finger.

Like failing to refuse to supply weapons for a genocide, this is the sort of issue that makes the left sit out elections.

#19 | Posted by DarkVader at 2025-03-08 12:35 PM

Yeah I don't think that's a deal breaker.

He's not going to win any elections without the full support of the Democratic Party.

He's not going to get the full support of the Democratic Party by making comments like this.

He's going to alienate democratic voters.

#20 | Posted by ClownShack at 2025-03-08 12:43 PM

#8

Shouldn't the muscle mass advantage disappear over time as the amount of male hormones decrease and female hormones increase? And, since muscle weighs more than fat, shouldn't the weight advantage also disappear with time?

#21 | Posted by FedUpWithPols at 2025-03-08 01:17 PM

"He's not going to get the full support of the Democratic Party by making comments like this."

If you want some of this mythical "full democratic support" this is not the issue you are looking for.

#22 | Posted by donnerboy at 2025-03-08 01:17 PM

Of the 1,025 people who identified as Democrats or leaning Democrat, 67% said transgender athletes should not be allowed to compete with women.
nypost.com
Liberals living in a bubble: "Newsom has no shot at winning Dem support now!"

#23 | Posted by censored at 2025-03-08 01:21 PM

"There goes his hopes of winning the presidency."

Hm where have I heard that before...

#24 | Posted by itchypossum at 2025-03-08 01:26 PM

#21
Make them wear sandbags

#25 | Posted by itchypossum at 2025-03-08 01:28 PM

He's not going to get the full support of the Democratic Party by making comments like this.

#20 | POSTED BY CLOWNSHACK

He knows that. And he doesn't need to. He's rebranding himself to capture moderates and independents.

#26 | Posted by lfthndthrds at 2025-03-08 01:36 PM

Newsom is a Russian asset
- Lumpers

#27 | Posted by oneironaut at 2025-03-08 01:37 PM

Shouldn't the muscle mass advantage disappear over time as the amount of male hormones decrease and female hormones increase? And, since muscle weighs more than fat, shouldn't the weight advantage also disappear with time?
#21 | Posted by FedUpWithPols

Muscle mass decreases with lack of male hormones, but it doesn't disappear entirely.

Even after a male has undergone hormone therapy, research shows that, while those biological advantages decrease, they are still far more prominent than similarly aged and trained women. Men have 30-60 percent higher muscle strength than women, and undergoing testosterone suppression decreases that strength by only 0-9 percent - a far cry from an even playing field for even the strongest female athletes.
www.nationalreview.com
I was just giving a few examples of obvious differences. There are many more that make biological males competing in women's sports unfair (e.g., bone density and strength affecting maximum weight-carrying ability, narrower hips allowing for higher speed, longer legs). Those are unlikely to be changed very much by hormone treatment. And those breastseses that biological women carry around are pretty much useless in most sports, just deadweight.

Once again, we're talking about tenths (or hundredths) of a second separating winners from losers. If trans women want to have their own division, have at it. But claiming that they are in the same position as biological women just because they had hormone treatment seems incorrect.

#28 | Posted by censored at 2025-03-08 01:43 PM

Of the 1,025 people who identified as Democrats or leaning Democrat, 67% said transgender athletes should not be allowed to compete with women.

He better hope 67% of democrats win him whatever election he's planning on running in.

Because 100% of Republicans are voting for the "save the cishet, European American male" agenda.

#29 | Posted by ClownShack at 2025-03-08 01:46 PM

Actually most "normies" don't give a ---- about this nonissue and realize that these kinds of things will always work themselves out.

I think sports are vaguely interesting in terms of record performance or watching Muhammad Ali in his prime dodging punches and dancing around the ring in a superhuman fashion, but that's about it. No idol worship from me over folks chasing a ball around. Unfortunately, our society is really into bread and circuses, and this resonates with the large portion of our nation that value this activity.

I promise you that four years from now this will be a complete nonissue and totally forgotten especially compared to what we all will be dealing with by then.
#18 | Posted by donnerboy

Yes, people voted on this issue because Dems did a decent job of making the rest of our society and government function. Global inflation did them in, but Trump's malicious destruction of our nation might restore some perspective for the next couple elections.

#30 | Posted by censored at 2025-03-08 01:53 PM

Someone needs to ask Newsom what he thinks about these issues:

Trans women transferred to men's prisons despite rulings against Trump's order

Incarcerated trans women report being groped by male guards and suicidal thoughts: I'm punished for existing'

www.theguardian.com

Pentagon memo says trans military personnel must be identified and removed

www.thepinknews.com

#31 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2025-03-08 02:24 PM

"I'm punished for existing"

That's what Republicans want for their enemies.

They want their enemies hiding like Anne Frank, afraid to show themselves in public.

#32 | Posted by snoofy at 2025-03-08 02:43 PM

"There's far fewer people who think this nonsense is OK than you'd like to believe."

I understand.
They said that about black equality too.
Blacks maybe shouldn't be slaves, but making them equal to us is going too far.

As for the nonsense, the devil is in the details.
Which is why blanket responses are so brain-dead.

By way of example:
Are these athletes women?
www.buzzfeednews.com

#33 | Posted by snoofy at 2025-03-08 02:47 PM

https://content.api.news/v3/images/bin/5a33c47d06752383ff39218895040356

Hi Snoofy: Wallace Simpson apparently had "masculine" traits like the athletes in the Buzzfeed article. But the King of England abdicated his throne for her.

#34 | Posted by C0RI0LANUS at 2025-03-08 02:59 PM

Civil rights are civil rights regardless of sex race or national origin.

Trans do have civil rights as all Americans do and those should be protected just as they should be for all Americans but they do not have a "civil right" to complete in sports if it is inherently unfair to others for them to do so. It is similar to allowing a 200 lb wrestler compete in 100 lb bracket. Inherently unfair.

Trans apparently need their own bracket so they can compete fairly.

If we could actually just use our common sense this nonissue would be easy to rectify.

The issue should be framed as equality and diversity (yes DEI) and civil rights for all. Including trans.

#35 | Posted by donnerboy at 2025-03-08 03:01 PM

That's what Republicans want for their enemies.
They want their enemies hiding like Anne Frank, afraid to show themselves in public.
#32 | Posted by snoofy

Trump & the GOP need enemies to run against. Trans men & women will be the easiest to discriminate against and eliminate from public life because their numbers are so small. Illegal immigrants are going to take more work to elimimate because their numbers are so large. People need to ask themselves once trans people and illegal immigrants are dispatched with, who will be the next category of designated as enemies that will need to go? People of Middle Eastern descent? College professors and other folks with PhDs? Democrats in general? The disabled and elderly? Because rest assured an enemy will be required.

#36 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2025-03-08 03:01 PM

Trans do have civil rights as all Americans do and those should be protected just as they should be for all Americans but they do not have a "civil right" to complete in sports if it is inherently unfair to others for them to do so. It is similar to allowing a 200 lb wrestler compete in 100 lb bracket. Inherently unfair.
Trans apparently need their own bracket so they can compete fairly.
If we could actually just use our common sense this nonissue would be easy to rectify.
The issue should be framed as equality and diversity (yes DEI) and civil rights for all. Including trans.
#35 | Posted by donnerboy

For Newsom this may be about trans athletes and the issue of fairness, but that's not what this is about for the GOP, and which is why Newsom should be asked about transwomen in male prisons and trans men and wome in the military.

#37 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2025-03-08 03:05 PM

Illegal immigrants are going to take more work to elimimate because their numbers are so large.

At the current rate of progress, they will never be eliminated.

#38 | Posted by REDIAL at 2025-03-08 03:11 PM

At the current rate of progress, they will never be eliminated.
#38 | Posted by REDIAL

Are they waiting for closer to the 2026 midterms or just waiting till Musk is done killing off, metaphorically speaking, the federal work force?

#39 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2025-03-08 03:25 PM

Are they waiting

Just incompetent.

#40 | Posted by REDIAL at 2025-03-08 03:29 PM

"It is similar to allowing a 200 lb wrestler compete in 100 lb bracket. Inherently unfair."

Sumo doesn't have weight brackets.

There are certainly valid questions about how trans athletes can participate fairly in sports.

Those questions are for the sport to decide, not the government.

#41 | Posted by snoofy at 2025-03-08 03:33 PM

The bigger issue is

after they come for the trans people,

who's next?

#42 | Posted by snoofy at 2025-03-08 03:35 PM

"Illegal immigrants are going to take more work to elimimate because their numbers are so large"

At the current rate of progress, they will never be eliminated.

#38 | Posted by REDIAL at 2025-03-08 03:11 PM | Reply | Flag

Brought to you by the Biden Administration... One of the biggest reasons Democrats lost. Doubling down on stupid isn't a good look.

#43 | Posted by lfthndthrds at 2025-03-08 05:15 PM

Brought to you by the Biden Administration...

Blah blah Biden blah blah Biden blah.

Lewzer said he was going to fix it. So jerk that pistol and go to work.

#44 | Posted by REDIAL at 2025-03-08 05:18 PM

Lewzer said he was going to fix it. So jerk that pistol and go to work.

#44 | Posted by REDIAL at 2025-03-08 05:18 PM | Reply | Flag:

Just like you didn't get dumb in one day, it's going to take some time to fix this. You can't bitch about deportations, and at the same time say it isn't happening.

#45 | Posted by lfthndthrds at 2025-03-08 05:54 PM

...it's going to take some time to fix this.

Lewzer said he was going to deport 1,000,000 per year for 4 years. He's not even on pace for half that.

Throw down, boy.

#46 | Posted by REDIAL at 2025-03-08 06:12 PM

"deport 1,000,000 per year for 4 years."

That leaves like 7,000,000 still in USA.

#47 | Posted by snoofy at 2025-03-08 06:14 PM

That leaves like 7,000,000 still in USA.

I guess he'll just stand there and bleed.

#48 | Posted by REDIAL at 2025-03-08 06:19 PM

"and even Democrats don't support trans women in women's sports."

Thank you. I kmow mostly Democrats but I don't know a single one that believes transexual women should be allowed to compete as women in athletic sports. This argument is entirely created by anti-trans Nazis. The rea truth is in many cases people interact with trans people but don't even know it. Repiblicans like Ron Desantis have generated this as a way to give the most awful bigots a new focus for their hatred of minorities in general. Basically if you aren't straight and white you are an enemy.

#49 | Posted by danni at 2025-03-08 06:44 PM

@#49 ... "and even Democrats don't support trans women in women's sports." ...

As I have said on this topic from the start ...

Should the sports-mega-industry dictate how humans are?

Or should the mega-sports-industry provide competition venues for all humans?


#50 | Posted by LampLighter at 2025-03-08 07:02 PM

That leaves like 7,000,000 still in USA.
#47 | Posted by snoofy

You still believe there's only 11million illegal immigrants in the US?

How long have held onto this fantasy?

A thinking person, you are not.

#51 | Posted by oneironaut at 2025-03-08 07:05 PM

#49 ... "and even Democrats don't support trans women in women's sports." ...

They do too.

Should the sports-mega-industry dictate how humans are?
- gaslighter

They don't dictate it idiot. It was dictated to them.

In fact if a woman was good enough she could play in the NFL, NBA, MLB.

Finally what what most people are irate about is young girls having to compete against males in their own categorized sports.

As a father of semi athletic daughter, I find this aspect of America disturbing.

#52 | Posted by oneironaut at 2025-03-08 07:10 PM

A thinking person, you are not.

#51 | POSTED BY IAMRUNT

Says the dullard who doesn't know that Los Angeles is located in California.

#53 | Posted by reinheitsgebot at 2025-03-08 07:10 PM

@#52 ... They don't dictate it idiot. It was dictated to them. ...

If that is so, did the mega-sports-industry push back?

Or were they more concerned about profits?

And, did they, when faced with that alleged dictum, put into place sports that reflected how humans are?


#54 | Posted by LampLighter at 2025-03-08 07:26 PM

Plastic surgery, hormones, and personal declarations don't change biology. Transers can dress however they wish... marry whoever will have them I don't know why they insist everyone play along with their fetish.

#55 | Posted by RightisTrite at 2025-03-08 08:13 PM

"Plastic surgery, hormones, and personal declarations don't change biology."

If a woman takes The Pill all the time, she won't have a period again.

You could say that changes biology.

Here's another one: Men who take testosterone supplements because they have low testosterone.

That is an example of gender affirming care. And it is gender affirming care precisely because of the changes to biology.

#56 | Posted by snoofy at 2025-03-08 08:28 PM

"Of the 1,025 people who identified as Democrats or leaning Democrat, 67% said transgender athletes should not be allowed to compete with women."

Do they even ask the same question but about transgender athletes competing with men?

This whole thing is like sooooo obvious to people who are feminists.

#57 | Posted by snoofy at 2025-03-08 08:34 PM

I'm with Newsom on this. I have no problem with men transitioning. But they should not be allowed to compete in women's sports.

#58 | Posted by Whatsleft at 2025-03-08 08:47 PM

Didn't we get all moist about Easter German "women" jacking up on the testosterone? That being said, Democrats should avoid the 1% issues the stupid fucking MAGATS are fixated on and focus on what's important for the 80%.

#59 | Posted by LegallyYourDead at 2025-03-08 10:11 PM

I don't think the Governor should be deciding who competes in sports.

If it was Little League, you would think that it's s dumb idea for the Governor to decide who gets to play Little League. You would say that is something Little League is capable of figuring out for themselves.

So I don't see why this is so different.

#60 | Posted by snoofy at 2025-03-08 10:31 PM

@#60 ... I don't think the Governor should be deciding who competes in sports. ...

I agree.

And that goes back to my basic point.

Why should the mega-sports-industry decide?

I'll ask again (from #50)...

Should the sports-mega-industry dictate how humans are?

Or should the mega-sports-industry provide competition venues for all humans?

To me, that is the question that needs to be answered here ...

Why are some people apparently not considered humans not only by the mega-sports-industry, but also by the GOP?


#61 | Posted by LampLighter at 2025-03-08 10:44 PM

Hoping for the NCAA doing anything responsible is a fool's errand.

#62 | Posted by LegallyYourDead at 2025-03-08 10:59 PM

#51

You're a FAGAT cocksucking cunt, Jeff

#63 | Posted by LegallyYourDead at 2025-03-08 11:10 PM

You've never fucked anyone that identities as female, you fucking cunt

#64 | Posted by LegallyYourDead at 2025-03-08 11:11 PM

I don't like it but I think he's making a political calculation for a 28 presidential run.
He's taking a talking point away from MAGA'ts.

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